To point out that Dan Hawkins was given 5 full years and that Embree was only given 2 implies one was given preferential treatment because he was white.

If the author had simply done 5 minutes of research as to why that was, he would have learned that Buff fans were nearly unanimous in wanting Hawkins out early but the athletic department was simply too cash strapped to do so (they were running big budget defecits at the time) and simply did not have the money for a buyout. Fortunately for them, the move from the Big 12 to the PAC 12 resulted in the annual TV revenue going from about $8 million a year to over $20 million a year. In simplest terms, they now have the cash to actually get rid of a coach they want to get rid of.

Heck, I am not even a Colorado fan and even I know the back round there. I guess though in this age of “internet journalism” authors are more interested with getting stories on line first rather that getting all the facts before going to print.

I agree with the majority of comments thus far in regards to Embree was fired for doing a poor coaching job. So was Ellis Johnson at Southern Miss, who took over a 12-2 team and went 0-12…so was Derrick Dooley at Tennessee, who only went 4-17 in the sec, including 0-12 vs the Vols biggest rivals.

the only issue I have is what Embree said about black coaches not getting another oppurtunity to be a head coach at the D1 level, while their white counterparts, some of whom have never had success, get oppurtunity after oppurtunity on name recognition alone. That holds true.

as for my statement about Charlie Strong and Turner Gill both being denied head coaching jobs in the SEC due to the fact that both are married to white women, some people are still not comfortable with interacial marriage in the deep south, especially with a black man and a white woman….there may have been underlying conversation in the background, especially with those who pull the purse strings at various schools(boosters and sponsers), but hopefully this wont be an issue going foward.

Oh but the theory that Ark wouldn’t hire Strong b/c he had a white wife is backed up by what facts? Quit being intellectually lazy by name calling, bad mouthing & race baiting….it shows a lack of class & civility.

If you have an issue with Jamelle Hill’s claims, take it up with her. It holds more water than what some anonymous person claims on this thread. Personally, I don’t buy either contention about Strong, b/c he was still a very successful DC & recruiter while at Florida & South Carolina. I think that trumps both of those theories…just pointed out that Hill thought this was a reason coaches like Strong & Turner Gill weren’t stronger candidates.

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Excellent analysis.
Would you care to comment on how many black prison wardens there are?

BTW, for anyone on here comparing the number of black coaches to black players, get a freaking clue.

Some of the best coaches in America either sucked as a player or didn’t play at all. Want proof? Bill Belicheck (New England Patriots) was a better, by far, lacrosse player than he was a football player. Want to question his accomplishments AS A COACH? Nick Saban’s Wikipedia page lists him as doing nothing more than “playing defensive back for the football team”. Want to question his accomplishments AS A COACH? John Calipari’s (Kentucky basketball) basketball playing claim to fame? He was a point guard at CLARION STATE. Yeah. That helped him become a national championship coach. I’m sure he brags about that when he’s on the recruiting trail too.

Being a good, even great, PLAYER has nothing to do with being a COACH. Just like it has nothing to do with being a sports franchise executive. Ask Michael Jordan.

You sir, is what is known as a troll.

Please go to your local community college, take a Reasoning and Critical Thinking course, and come back afterwards.

I would have more respect for you guys if you would just say that you don’t like black men. Don’t waste time building all of these arguments based on rumors and bull sh-it. Just tell the truth–you dont like black men.

Then we can, as you say, “move on.”

Wow. Everything you said is bullsh—t. The part about Jamelle Hill is the most disingenuous. Of course that’s Ms. Hill’s role at Espn—to pacify the masses with stupid theories rather than the truth.

I have just one question for you: Are there any black men in this world—coaches or otherwise— for whom you have respect?

U make some good points, but I take issue w/ a few of them. Bear with me…

Willingham got fired b/c he wouldn’t recruit. He won ten games w/ Bob Davie’s players (happens all the time, I get that). That success brought in a nice recruiting class…but it was in spite of Willingham. He wouldn’t recruit Brady Quinn (4-star QB) until the family of his teammate, Chinedum Ndukwe, insisted he take a look at him after accepting an ND offer. Quinn was a lifelong Irish fan, so it wasn’t like he needed a lot of courting. Then he “landed” two five-stars from Baltimore (Ambrose Wooden & Victor Abiamiri) who were committed to Maryland, but had to de commit b/c of recruiting violations by the Terps staff. The nucleus of that class is who Weis won with in ’05-’06. Ty’s next two classes were abject failures as he flat out didn’t bother to recruit on today’s level thinking ND would sell itself. Those classes were filled w/ 1-2 star players w/ a 3- star sprinkled in here & there. They were the nucleus of the 2007 team that went 3-9 under Weis. Not only did those classes lack talent, they lacked depth. Most quit or transferred soon after Weis was hired. That lack of depth & talent gave Weis a pass in 2007…especially after back-to-back BCS bowls prior to that. His mediocrity in 2008-2009 is what got him fired. Weis could recruit offensive skill players & light up a scoreboard, but he was not a good head coach. Ty wouldn’t recruit & repeated this at Washington where he was known to prefer playing golf vs hitting the recruiting trail. At ND, his initials were commonly referenced as standing for Three Wood. If Ty were successful he would still be coaching. One can even question his “success” at Stanford which occurred when usual powerhouses were down. SC was struggling under Paul Hackett & UW was on probation. Give Ty credit for capitalizing on a down PAC 10 in at least one of those years. Of course, he was exposed in the Rose Bowl.

People cried about Ty only getting three years, but no one said a thing when Ron Zook was fired in the middle of his third year at Florida. Which leads to the other reason ND cut ties w/ Ty after year three. They knew they had to act quickly if they were going to land Urban Meyer. It was still too late, however; as Jeremy Foley beat them to the punch by firing Zook early & signing Meyer before ND could.

Now to Charlie Strong. You correctly pointed out that there may have been concern b/c he is married to a Caucasian woman. However, it has less to do w/ white folks having an issue & more to do w/ single African-American mothers having an issue. While there are far too many fatherless children in our country regardless of race, 70% of black children are fatherless…far & away the largest group. The thought was that black recruits w/ single moms would not be too receptive to a black head coach w/ a white wife. In other words, the father of their children walked out on them…now they’re asked to trust another black man…w/ a white wife (inferring that a black woman wasn’t good enough for him)..to coach & mentor their son. This position was also posited by Jamelle Hill of ESPN. You can find her conversation about this subject on YouTube. I think it was part of a First Take broadcast.

Finally, schools like ND, CU, KU, etc are never deemed racist when they HIRE a black coach…but then are deemed racists when they choose to fire a black coach. As for Ellis Johnson…he’s an old white guy who will likely never get another HC opportunity. I don’t believe he had ever had one before. All those years of paying his dues & he’s fired after one year after finally getting a shot.

it appeared that CU got worst from year one to year two under his regime. I know they only had eight seniors…I know they were playing a bunch of true and redshirt freshman, but they were an awful team to watch and hear about weak in and weak out. His issue is he only got two years to fix the issues at CU, while the coach before him, Dan Hawkins got five years, and had losing seasons in every one of them.

What I do agree with Embry on is that once black coaches get hired and fired, they never get another oppurtunity to be a head coach, regardless of what conference they were in previously….

Out of 41 black coaches who were fired by FBS schools, only one was rehired elsewhere(Tyrone Willingham, fired after year three at Notre Dame, was hired at Washington….by the way, Willingham only got three years, the guy behind him, Charlie Weiss, got five years)

I will admit whole heartily some of these black guys who were hired, such as Mike Locksley(new mexico), John Blake(OU), Ron English(E. Michigan), Sylvester Croom(miss st, but would have done better at Bama if he was hired, but you know, his color made Bama pick Mike Shula), Jim Caldwell(Wake Forest), Randy Shannon(Miami), Larry Porter(Memphis), Jerry Baldwin(La Lafayette) and Ron Dickerson(Temple), shouldnt have been hired in the first place.

However, guys like Karl Dorrell(UCLA) DeWayne Walker(currently at N mexico st with no chance to win, was UCLA d-coordinator, passed over by UCLA for Rick Nueishal), Bob Simmons(Oklahoma St), Everitt Whitters(interim coach at UNC after butch davis was fired), and even Joker Phillips(Kentucky) should have the oppurtunity to coach again at other FBS schools.

Gene Chizik was 5-19 and was hired at Auburn away from Iowa St…Turner Gill, who was also in the running with Chizik(see Sly Croom above), was fired at Kansas by going 5-19. He did land on his feet at FCS Liberty U, where he went 6-5 this year.

Does anyone remember when Charlie Strong first left Florida, rumor on the street was that Arkansas(even though he is a native son) didnt want to hire him because he is married to a white woman? Louisville did, and now he is a hot name among sec schools looking for a coach, like Arkansas.

here is something to chew on….while there are only 14 black coaches for 125 FBS schools, the numbers in administration are even worse. Only 6 black AD’s…only 2 black college presidents(both women) and 0 conference comissioners.

we see more black coaches getting hired in the nfl as head men, due to the rooney rule, and the change for advancement is a lot quicker than it is in college football.

The reason may whites totally tune out guys like Embree is for this very reason – It’s never because they suck at their jobs…it’s only because of their skin color.
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You’re absolutely wrong. The reason many whites “tune out” guys like Embree is because they can. As a white man, you have the option of “tuning out” anyone who isn’t a white man. It’s sort of your birthright. And you exercise it.

Thought I’d clear that up.