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Tide runs & rolls over UGA, into title game

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From the moment it became unofficially official that the winner of the SEC championship game would earn a spot in the BCS title game, most individuals without a definitive lean toward the Red & Black had already penciled in Alabama as the team opposite Notre Dame in South Beach.

Tuscaloosans, you may unofficially officially break out the Sharpies.

Armed with a punishing running game for which the Georgia defense simply had no answer, the No. 2 Tide rolled over, around and through the No. 3 Bulldogs in claiming their second SEC championship under Nick Saban.  In the 32-28 win, the Tide set an SEC title-game record with 350 yards rushing, although, in an ironic twist, it was a breathtaking 45-yard AJ McCarron-to-Amari Cooper connection with just over three minutes left that proved to be the knockout punch for the defending national champions.

With the win — the closest margin of victory in the SEC title game since 1997 — the Tide sets itself up for an unprecedented third BcS title in four years.  And set the nation up for a BCS title game for the ages, a North vs. South showdown with the Fighting Irish carrying the potential to shatter records for both ratings on game day and vitriol spewed in the weeks leading up to the first week of January.

The Jan. 7 matchup for all the crystal will mark the first game between the two storied programs since 1987.

Alabama’s destination is now known; the late-game road the Tide took to get there?  Much to the detriment of the UGA coaching staff and the angst of the fan base, it will be discussed for months, if not years, to come.

While the player of the game was undoubtedly and literally Eddie Lacy, who rushed for 181 yards and two touchdowns in the Tide’s win…  and while the play of the game came off the right arm of a battle-tested veteran into the hands of a fresh-faced freshman… all the while UGA fans will be lamenting what could’ve been courtesy of late-game clock management that only a Kiffin could love.

Taking over at their own 15-yard line with 1:08 left down by four and with no timeouts, the Bulldogs drove down to the Tide eight-yard line, the last 26 coming on an Aaron Murray-to-Arthur Lynch completion with under 20 seconds left.  With the clock stopped for the chains to move for the first down, most expected UGA to hustle to the line, spike the ball with 10-15 seconds left and give themselves at least two, probably three shots at the end zone.

Instead, and inexplicably, Georgia ran a play.  On a pass that was supposed to be a fade-type route into the end zone, it was instead tipped at the line and dropped into the arms of Chris Conley, who dropped to the turf before reaching the sidelines to stop the clock.  With no timeouts remaining, all UGA could do was watch the clock expire on their hopes of a first national championship in more than three decades.

The play in and of itself certainly didn’t cost the Bulldogs the game; their run defense shoulders most of that load.  It did, though, arm Mark Richt‘s detractors with additional ammunition.

However, the end of the game shouldn’t take away the effort both teams spilled on the Georgia Dome turf.  And the history the Alabama Crimson Tide is on the verge of making — becoming the first team to win three titles in four years in the BCS era.

Their opponent will also be looking to stake their claim to some of their own history, with Notre Dame out to break a tie for most-ever Associated Press titles.  The team with which they’re tied at eight?  Alabama.

Roll Tide Roll.  Play Like A Champion Today.

A title game for the ages indeed.

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  1. jimbo75025 says: Dec 1, 2012 9:13 PM

    That was a great game-no matter who you were rooting for.

    Ok Bama, up to you now to make it 7 in a row or have the rest of the SEC hate you even more for allowing the streak to be broken ha ha.

  2. 808raiderinparadise says: Dec 1, 2012 9:19 PM

    Great GAME !!!!

    congrats to both.

    AS A ND FAN, very excited.

    I also think all the Georgia and SEC fans telling me how Jarvis Jones is better than Manti Teo … ummmm? 400 rushing yards. Bama ran it down Georgia’s throat with ease and power. Jarvis is a pass rush specialists (ala bruce iivin).

    Teo and the D of the irish have a lot of work ahead of them.

    Just excited to see the battles in the trenches.

  3. southernpatriots says: Dec 1, 2012 9:20 PM

    Congratulations to the Alabama Crimson Tide!

    It is a shame the SEC championship game is marred with obvious missed calls by the referees. I thought the officials that were the best during the regular season received the “honor” of calling the SEC championship game? Too many calls were missed which affected a series which could have affected a score.

    Now Saban will have a month to prepare for ND. A month. Saban. Glad I am not rooting for the Irish.

  4. normtide says: Dec 1, 2012 9:23 PM

    Great game, both teams had a shot at the end. Georgia has no reason to hang their heads. Bama finds a way, that’s what good teams do. Looking forward to continue the SEC’s steak. Waiting to see our league bowl lineup. The top of the league is pretty balanced this year, but a really good team will end up in the chic fillet bowl.

  5. thegamecocker says: Dec 1, 2012 9:24 PM

    Great game! Why Aaron Murray didn’t throw ball in ground to set up two plays to end zone is beyond me. Dawgs could have been playing for NC if they would have scored.

  6. WingT says: Dec 1, 2012 9:26 PM

    It was truly an epic battle between two very evenly matched teams.

    I expect the Bama ND game to be the same – two very balanced teams that like to buckle it up and bring it on every play – it will be a slobber knocker of a game in Miami.

    Lots of time for each team to prepare for each other – actually too much time. I wish the game would be played two weeks from today.

    Oh well, let the hype and smack talk begin.

    Roll Tide

  7. dcroz says: Dec 1, 2012 9:31 PM

    Dear Mark Richt,

    Thank you for taking the clock management monkey off my back.

    Sincerely yours,

    Les Miles

  8. bucrightoff says: Dec 1, 2012 9:33 PM

    If you love college football, how can you not be psyched for Alabama-Notre Dame? It sounds so right. And I think its perfect that if anyone’s gonna take down the SEC, its God’s team.

  9. normtide says: Dec 1, 2012 9:38 PM

    The south is a very religious place. Idk if God is going to take sides in this one. My guess, he will just sit back and watch a classic between two all time great programs.

  10. ttalarico says: Dec 1, 2012 9:40 PM

    Great game today. Both teams played hard and if Georgia hadn’t mismanaged the clock at the end, they had a shot of upsetting Alabama. But Alabama found a way to win. The team they will be playing in the NC does the same thing.

    As a ND fan, I’m really excited about the NC game. It should be a great, in the trenches, game. After ND found their way into the game, I always thought the best matchup for the Irish would be Alabama. Today’s game confirmed that. Bama needed 350 yards rushing against Georgia who, everyone says, has a subpar rushing defense. Without the rushing success, they lose the game. Bama will be running right into ND’s strength, their rushing defense. Saban is going to need a full month to find away to score on ND.

    Can’t wait to get to Miami!

    Go Irish!! Beat Bama!!!!

  11. dcroz says: Dec 1, 2012 9:40 PM

    And now for the question that will be asked often the next 37 days: Is there more at stake here than the crystal football, as in, is “the torch” for college football’s all-time greatest program also up for grabs? A win by the Tide makes it the first team to hit double-digits with its 10th national title of the poll era. It also would make it the third team to win three consensus national titles in four years, joining Notre Dame in the 1940s and Nebraska in the 1990s. For Notre Dame, it has long been considered college football’s flagship program, but no national titles in a quarter century, a nine-game bowl losing streak at one point during that time (a dubious NCAA record), and very few players going on to the next level in recent years have eroded that reputation. This could either be the game that sees the Irish re-establish themselves as college football’s premier program, or it could give the Tide a strong argument for being the new historical standard against which all others are measured.

    Let the hype begin.

  12. thefiesty1 says: Dec 1, 2012 9:43 PM

    Great game, UGA just ran out of time. But hopW about them horns? 10-7 at half and holding KState to 43 yards rushing. Klein doesn’t look like a Heisman candidate, yet!

  13. alligatorsnapper says: Dec 1, 2012 9:44 PM

    I think the hype has already begun.

  14. kiopta1 says: Dec 1, 2012 9:44 PM

    I just hope all those bandwagon Bama fans don’t jump ship to ND.

  15. dgbk says: Dec 1, 2012 9:45 PM

    that was a great game…pup fans will down richt eventually for this but he had ga ready to play just came up short.

    @ 808

    Jones is better than te’o….. was he suppose to stop their ground attack by himself?? will te’o do that by himself in jan??

    pass rush specialist are more valuable than inside linebackers ..bama have four future first round picks on their o line and two solid backs. doubt notre dame faced anything like bama rushin attack so far this season.

  16. bamasleeper13 says: Dec 1, 2012 9:48 PM

    WOW! What a game! Georgia is a great team and I expected this game to be exactly what it was. So glad Bama gets a chance to go back to back NC. Saban will have 37 days to plan for ND, my money is on him. Should be a great game! ROLL TIDE!

  17. jgater1981 says: Dec 1, 2012 9:48 PM

    Alabama fans need to be pissed about this article. Don’t they claim 20 titles or something? It seems they claim another one every year. In all seriousness, I’m glad it’s ND/Alabama. They really are the two best teams in the country. I know I’ll be hearing all this “if ND were in the SEC…” crap, but people that actually watch football instead of listening to talking heads know the facts. I can’t wait!

  18. cometkazie says: Dec 1, 2012 9:49 PM

    Great game.


  19. ttalarico says: Dec 1, 2012 9:50 PM

    It doesn’t matter if Alabama beats ND in Miami.

    ND will never lose it’s standing as the premier football school for many reasons.

    Everyone can talk about it, but it will never happen.

    Go Irish!

  20. istallion says: Dec 1, 2012 9:57 PM

    I’d be surprised to see ND even come close to Alabama in the big one.

  21. bigtganks says: Dec 1, 2012 10:01 PM

    bamasleeper13, Saban also had 37 days or so to plan for Utah and got beat. He’s like 7-6 in bowl games. Don’t act like he’s invincible when he has five weeks to gameplan…

  22. thegamecocker says: Dec 1, 2012 10:10 PM


    It’s ND fans like you that make Fans like me root against ND. You are so smug to think ND Football is end all / beat all. ND hasn’t been relevant in over 22 years. ND has a fine team but there are other universities who have as much pride and trading. As a fan, I root for any team ND plays. In the upcoming NC game I say “ROLL TIDE”!!!

  23. igottz5onit says: Dec 1, 2012 10:10 PM

    Great game but this article’s title makes is sound like Alabama just dominated the game. Why does CFT feel the need to always try to be too clever in their titles? Just asking.

  24. joerevs300 says: Dec 1, 2012 10:11 PM

    What a joke the way that game ended, PI on ALA (luckily for UGA, they ruled that interception didn’t count), and on the very next play, a CLEAR H2H hit on the receiver as he was going down, which should have been a 15 yard PF penalty, would have stopped the clock and put UGA down around the 9 yard line, with no less then 3 shots at the end zone.

    And don’t get me started with ND, who got the benefit of the blown call in the Stanford game, and who had illegal personnel on the field when Pitt missed their GW FG, which would have been good 5 yards closer.

    Playoff or not, money will ALWAYS be the deciding factor, period. ALA/ND is a dream come true for the BCS and CFC. UGA/KSU or something in that vain would have been a total nightmare.

    And nothing’s going to ever change that.

  25. asseenonokra says: Dec 1, 2012 10:14 PM

    Now to find a passed out Georgia fan…

  26. mannydomer61 says: Dec 1, 2012 10:18 PM

    Irish have been underdogs all year, everyone has said they didn’t stand a chance in every big game they have played. Guess what, they have won all those games. GO IRISH!

  27. barbeaux says: Dec 1, 2012 10:22 PM

    Notre dame is the flagship college football program? I can’t stop laughing. Thy have been relevant since I’ve been born. One undefeated season against a weak schedule (which is really, really was) wont change that.

  28. barbeaux says: Dec 1, 2012 10:24 PM

    Despite being an LSU fan, I have to say that Alabama is the flagship program right now. It’s up for what its 3rd championship in four years?

  29. rashardmendenballs says: Dec 1, 2012 10:29 PM

    Great Game by both teams and congrats to Bama.

    But what in the hell was Murray thinking after they completed that pass for 1st and goal at the 10?!?!

    And this kid thinks he is an NFL ready QB!?!?

    Poor clock management by Murray and Richt. The blame goes on Murray because at that stage of the game and the situation they are in (no time-outs, 12 seconds left, no huddle offense and 1st & goal at the 10) at that point of the game, He is in full control of the offense.

  30. tmb333 says: Dec 1, 2012 10:33 PM

    I didn’t care who won but one thing for sure, I am sick of seeing millionaire coaches that can’t figure out clock management. First half, Saban takes two tos to the lockerroom. Second half Richt shows his stupidity. Georgia should have clocked it after the first down with 30 seconds to go. Instead, it took them 8 seconds to run a play. Then again, they should have clocked it after the first down with 15 seconds to play. They then would have had 3 throws to the end zone. I hope Richt loses his job over it. Most knowledgeable fans have a better clue on clock management than the coaches do.

  31. kozbee says: Dec 1, 2012 10:36 PM

    Heading Tide runs and Rolls all over Georgia hmmm.That was a close game all the way,made it sound like Bama won by 30 points lol.Congrats Bama fans was one of the best games to be a classic to feud over.Just wonder why a flag wasnt thrown on that late hit on Murry imo that was a dirty play and should been 15 yards.Its in the books so Bama hope y`all still have that killer instint and keep the crystal in the SEC.ROLL TIDE

  32. cometkazie says: Dec 1, 2012 10:36 PM

    A team does not return to premier status after a generation of faded glory.

    Come back after you win a couple of modern national championships and we will talk about it.

    Premier status is earned over time. ND may be starting a run, but it hasn’t arrived yet.

  33. igottz5onit says: Dec 1, 2012 10:39 PM

    As a neutral observer, Notre Dame’s schedule was not much weaker than bama’s regular season schedule. They just didn’t blow out weaker opponents like banana.

  34. igottz5onit says: Dec 1, 2012 10:40 PM

    As a neutral observer, Notre Dame’s schedule was not much weaker than bama’s regular season schedule. They just didn’t blow out weaker opponents like bama.

  35. normtide says: Dec 1, 2012 10:45 PM

    The epicenter of college football is the SEC. Anyone who says different is only fooling themselves. Not saying it will last forever, and not just saying it because of the national title run. The SEC dominates the top ten, it had two teams with a shot to get there in the last week of play. And, its been something like that for a while. Much respect to ND, but college football has been a southern game for years now.

  36. nickynick04 says: Dec 1, 2012 10:48 PM

    Oh boy here we go go football factory SEC Alabama versus Notre Dame.
    Hey SEC fans….what is your graduation rate ? Alabama what is your graduation rate…..who is the real institution of learning here

  37. barbeaux says: Dec 1, 2012 10:52 PM

    @igottz5onit, meh bama’s was a bit tougher.

  38. tigersgeaux says: Dec 1, 2012 10:57 PM

    nickynick04: My mistake, I thought this was College Football Talk not Graduation Olympics. Sorry, I will have to switch the channel.

    Alabama 33, Domers 10.

  39. normtide says: Dec 1, 2012 10:57 PM

    Nicky- the better question is, how many math competitions have you been to or watched? How often do you post on a spelling bee blog? In fact, that was an ignorant statement that undermines your argument. On Dec 1, 2012 9:48 PM, “CollegeFootballTalk” wrote:

    > ** > nickynick04 commented: “Oh boy here we go go football factory SEC > Alabama versus Notre Dame. Hey SEC fans….what is your graduation rate ? > Alabama what is your graduation rate…..who is the real institution of > learning here”

  40. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Dec 1, 2012 11:07 PM

    This is College Football Talk !!!
    Why do people always bring up graduation rate? Who gives a shit!! If all these kids want to be doctors and lawyers or some academic professor then maybe they would’ve all gone into Ivy League or Tulane or whatever.. STFUWATGR !! Already.

  41. tigersgeaux says: Dec 1, 2012 11:09 PM

    thecrazyasian: Yep, I think you said it all. After all this is CFT.

  42. houndofthebaskervols says: Dec 1, 2012 11:13 PM

    LOL I see the Southernpontificator’s fans are out in force tonight.

    Great game, congratulations to Bama.

    Message to Georgia: Please dont ever fire Mark Fulmer Richt. ha ha

  43. igottz5onit says: Dec 1, 2012 11:18 PM

    I disagree. The only really good teams the Tide played during the regular season were LSU and Texas A&M. Notre Dame played Stanford, Oklahoma, and USC. Both teams had other teams that were supposed to be good scheduled but they fell short of expectations.

  44. tigersgeaux says: Dec 1, 2012 11:23 PM

    I see lyinhoundarse is out again tonight. Keep it up jerk. I’ll be in Knoxville in another couple of weeks, despite your lies on southernpatriots family, they will be there as well.

  45. bamagirl33 says: Dec 1, 2012 11:24 PM

    BAMA’s graduation rate would be better if not for all those juniors leaving to go pro (usually in the first few rounds).

  46. WingT says: Dec 1, 2012 11:30 PM

    rashardmendenballs says:
    Dec 1, 2012 10:29 PM
    Great Game by both teams and congrats to Bama.

    But what in the hell was Murray thinking after they completed that pass for 1st and goal at the 10?!?!

    If you watch the replay you will see Murray looking over to the sidelines and motioning with his had to spike it. The coaching staff obviously over ruled him and called the fade.
    Murray played a great game – his team just came up 5 yards short.

    roll tide

  47. houndofthebaskervols says: Dec 1, 2012 11:35 PM

    “I see lyinhoundarse is out again tonight. Keep it up jerk. I’ll be in Knoxville in another couple of weeks, despite your lies on southernpatriots family, they will be there as well.”

    tigersgeaux, make sure nobody gets a picture of you two holding hands, it might get scattered all over the internayet. LMAO

  48. cometkazie says: Dec 1, 2012 11:41 PM

    Let’s see. In the ’58 NC team, Billy Cannon is a dentist, Bo Strange an orthopedic surgeon; Tommy Casanova is an opthamologist; Jay Whitley is an orthodontist. Cannon and Casanova managed to play pro and get a dental/medical degree, no small feat.

    I believe Barrett Jones has a masters already. All American academically and on the field, too. #75 for ‘Bama, if you haven’t noticed. Played today. Made a few blocks.

    That’s just off the top of my head. I’ll think of a couple more before I go to sleep.

  49. tigersgeaux says: Dec 1, 2012 11:46 PM

    There’s alot more than two of us that will be in Knoxville, probably closer to 40. Come join us at UT Medical. They can treat you. Otherwise, maybe a veterinarian can treat you for your hoof and mouth disease.

  50. Deb says: Dec 1, 2012 11:47 PM

    I can say now it was a great game. At the time, I was trying too hard not to throw up. Had to leave the room before the final play because I couldn’t watch and suddenly they announced “Game over!” Whoa! Thank heavens for DVR rewind.

    All the respect in the world to Georgia. What an incredible game the Bulldogs played, and hats off to their QB. Murray was incredibly poised throughout the game, but especially on that last drive. How the game ended was on the coaches and the fate of a tipped ball–certainly not on that young man.

    Speaking of coaching, even though we won, I’m sure I’ll be having prevent-defense nightmares tonight. Nooooo nooooo! LOL But what a game! Roll Tide!!

  51. houndofthebaskervols says: Dec 1, 2012 11:54 PM

    LOL I don’t think they can cure “inbred” up there tigerooze.

    Make sure you take some extra Yoo-Hoos with you on the bus, Greyhound doesn’t have stewardesses on those things you know. rotf

  52. grendelg says: Dec 1, 2012 11:56 PM

    Not sure why this title makes it sound like Bama blew out the dogs. This was a very close back and forth game. Congrats to Bama on winning a great game. Congrats to my Dawgs on playing a great game and pushing the #1 team to the edge. Notre Dame is gonna get rolled and it’s gonna be ugly. They might need their math degrees to keep up with the rushing yards Bama puts up.

  53. normtide says: Dec 2, 2012 12:19 AM

    Grendelg- You should be very proud of your boys. I can stand losing to a good team, when you leave it all on the field. Georgia certainly did that. On the end you had a shot. I have been tough on Richt in the past, but I think he has the right OC & DC in place, and UGA will always have talent. Was a great slug fest, best of luck going forward. Go SEC

  54. ttalarico says: Dec 2, 2012 12:32 AM


    You really think anyone is going to take serious anything someone called “thegamecocker” says?

    Go Irish! Rip the tide!!

  55. Deb says: Dec 2, 2012 12:50 AM

    joerevs300 says:

    What a joke the way that game ended, PI on ALA (luckily for UGA, they ruled that interception didn’t count), and on the very next play, a CLEAR H2H hit on the receiver as he was going down, which should have been a 15 yard PF penalty, would have stopped the clock and put UGA down around the 9 yard line, with no less then 3 shots at the end zone.

    And don’t get me started with ND, who got the benefit of the blown call in the Stanford game

    Right. But wait … earlier they called a tipped ball on what should have been a PI against Georgia that would have given Bama a first down. Instead, Georgia blocked the kick and scored a TD. So if they wanted Bama to win … why pick up the flag by saying the ball was tipped?

    And you really think that when Notre Dame played Stanford in mid-October, the officials were rigging the game so ND would wind up the season as #1? Really? My how … prescient of them.

    The problem with guys like you is that they cherry-pick plays that fit their bizarre conspiracy theories and ignore those that don’t. Logic is rarely applied.

    Yeah, money talks and sometimes backroom deals get done. But usually calls are blown for the simple reason that officials are human, and they screw up just like everyone else.

  56. gfj7000 says: Dec 2, 2012 12:50 AM

    To the sportwriter Taylor- The way you wrote the Title, and the description of Alabama Rolling over Georgia – and the pre-game favorite already being penciled in for the NCG – seems quite biased and inaccurate at best.
    1) Georgia was by no means – Rolled over – sure Alabama had a lot of rushing yards, but they (Alabama) couldn’t answer Georgia’s passing game. In the end – Alabama was not giving Knock out punches as Georgia had the lead til 3 minutes to go. A knock-out punch is something that is levied on a team that has been beaten up for the whole game. Not so here, while Alabama was running and rolling over (your words) Georgia was always ahead for most of the game – so, they (Georgia) were hardly being rolled over, and, at one point (you failed to mention) – Georgia was up as much as 21-10. So sorry to bust your ‘pro-Alabama bubble, but if Georgia could have benefitted in the last few minutes of play from missed/errant calls, the game would have and should have ended @ 35-32 – Georgia – but as we saw – 4 yds. short and the clock ran out. Good job to both teams – neither is better than the other – the #2 & #3 spots are a TIE in my book!!

  57. dcroz says: Dec 2, 2012 1:16 AM

    I don’t think Taylor in any way meant to imply the game was a blowout. His headline was based on:

    Ran = 350 yards rushing
    Rolled = Roll Tide

    In other words, he was making a play on how ‘Bama beat Georgia and on the Tide’s nickname. Nothing more. Calm down.

  58. scubagolfjim says: Dec 2, 2012 1:47 AM

    For the writer John Taylor and of those screaming about the “clock management” the OBVIOUS thing here is in the article itself: “ most expected UGA to hustle to the line, spike the ball with 10-15 seconds left and give themselves at least two, probably three shots at the end zone.”

    “Instead, and inexplicably, Georgia ran a play.” Really? You had just written why they should have done what they did. It was more like bad luck that ended the game the way it did.

    It was a brilliant move. Don’t let the defense get reset if possible.The only thing is, the receivers should have been aware enough to drop the ball if they weren’t going to score, thereby giving the Bulldogs another shot or two. But like the article says, when you’re a receiver, you CATCH the ball. It’s a hard thing to do to realize you shouldn’t unless you’ve been coached that way. And yes, a spike would have allowed time to pass that along, but I still think it was the right move.

    And I agree with many others… “Rolled Over?” Yeah, it’s always fun to get the “Roll Tide” euphemism in there, but only when it’s ACCURATE. 31-28 and 5 yards? Hardly “rolled.”

  59. scubagolfjim says: Dec 2, 2012 1:49 AM

    And yes, I did hit the 1 instead or the 2 on the keyboard and didn’t catch it in time.

  60. strauhal says: Dec 2, 2012 2:42 AM

    The darkest part of my soul would smile big if someone would just drop some C4 on the Alabama campus. I hate Alabama. It’s a dumb state, it’s a dumb fan base, and it’s an annoying football franchise. Totally hate Alabama. Now if only I believed in violence, which I don’t. (Sigh). I am officially the biggest Notre Dame fan from the University of Oregon. Go Irish, as hard and as long and as lethally as you can. Take down that annoying SEC. Holy crap.

  61. strauhal says: Dec 2, 2012 2:44 AM

    I totally agree with you Scuba. “Roll” over with a 4pt. win? Really?

  62. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Dec 2, 2012 4:19 AM

    Hey Deb,
    Congrats to your to team! What a great game and the whole I was watching the game, I was thinking “stupid sofa king prevent defense, if not for that it would be LSU playing tonight!”
    What can you do, I hope your go out there and put them Holier than thou SOB in their place, that’s below the SEC!!
    Good luck to y’all on Jan7 !!! Geaux Tigers!!!

  63. rsmeans says: Dec 2, 2012 6:47 AM

    I feel compelled to talk about ND’s graduation rate It is one of the highest in the country that is true. But Alabama, Florida and Georgia have graduation rates of 75% plus which is very high nationally.

    Secondly, ND has very high entrance requirements both for the general population and football players which has both negative positive aspects attached to it. Most of the SEC except for Vandy are made up of state schools which cannot discriminate against minorities with respect to entrance requirements. The positive side for ND and against the SEC is that you will have a high graduation rate with a select population.

    Many different agencies rate schools and some will rate ND very high and some very low. The most prestigious rating agency is the AAU which is made up primarily of research and scientific oriented professors. ND was turned down as a member given its lack of reseach and its theology orientation. Four SEC schools were accepted and two more have pending applications.

  64. alligatorsnapper says: Dec 2, 2012 7:57 AM

    rsmeans: Your post is too balanced, well researched and factual for many of these threads, though I, and I am sure most LSU and SEC fans thank you.

    Under Les Miles at LSU, the LSU football team (and athletic teams) ranks second behind Vanderbilt (a private university with high entrance requirements) in graduation rates in the SEC and has that high ranking for the past 3 years, each year increasing. It is a great improvement for LSU and as Joe Aleva, our AD announced in his presser a few days ago, and it has been Coach Miles’ dedication to the academics and graduation of his athletes that has resulted in these high levels of graduation. For public schools, as you mentioned, this is a great accomplishment.

    Though this is College Football Talk, too often someone thinks it is an advantage to bring up graduation rates of private universities in comparison to public universities which has you have astutely posted are requirred to accept most applicants, even those who need remedial teaching.

    rsmeans, thank you again for your post. Maybe you and I (and others) won’t have to post this type of post again for awhile.

  65. cometkazie says: Dec 2, 2012 9:20 AM

    alligatorsnapper says:
    Dec 2, 2012 7:57 AM
    rsmeans: Your post is too balanced, well researched and factual for many of these threads, though I, and I am sure most LSU and SEC fans thank you.
    Y’up, confuse them with reason. From what you say, ND is a teaching school rather than a research institution.

    Deb, CrazyAsian expressed my views well. Shades of Chavis and the LSU game.

    SucbaGolfJim made the point about the last play that just about everyone missed: the ball was tipped and the boy that caught it wasn’t the one aimed at. Had the ball not been tipped, it might have been caught and everyone saying what a brilliant play it is. I love games that come down to a solid defensive play.

    I’m proud of our SEC teams and how well they have done this year, esp those in the Top Ten.

    Except for one or two NNs, this has been a great thread. The SEC nation will be behind The Tide!

  66. southernpatriots says: Dec 2, 2012 9:39 AM


    As much as I love to beat Alabama, I will wholeheartedly support them to beat Notre Dame or whomever they face in the BCS NCG. God willing, I will be watching the game with family and friends, eating popcorn, and maybe some smoked jumbo beef dogs, and maybe yelling a little at the tv…ha.

    This was a great season of SEC football, and generally college football!

    rsmeans and alligatorsnapper: Thank you for truth and accuracy in posting.

    Thank you JT and Ben for keeping us informed (and challenged at times.)

  67. thegamecocker says: Dec 2, 2012 9:41 AM


    Jackweed – did you go/graduate from ND? For ND’s sake, I truly hope you didn’t b/c you are a terrible reflection of that schools fan base. I can’t say you bother me because you are too ignorant. That’s all.
    Now go have someone read this post to you.

  68. thegamecocker says: Dec 2, 2012 9:43 AM


    You lost them at “prescient”.

  69. thegamecocker says: Dec 2, 2012 9:49 AM


    GET HELP NOW! Either go back on the meds or stop watching college football! Your comments are distasteful and sickening. You’re not a ND fan….you are a jealous, misguided sociopath. I guess you didn’t like Oregon losing to Stanford! Get over it!

  70. thegamecocker says: Dec 2, 2012 10:05 AM


    Thank-you for your post which I found incredibly interesting and important. Who are the two SEC schools you mention who are pending AAU accreditation”? I know Vandy and Florida already are members of the AAU; Texas A&M and Missouri are also part of this esteemed group. The perception around the country is that SEC members are academically weak universities. I’m sure you know nothing is further from the truth. To combat this notion, it is important that as many of our fine sister institutions seek admission into this prestigious grouping as possible. I once mentioned this to the President of the U. of South Caroina, Harris Pastides. He told me that USC has more funded research capital than many of the schools who are already members of the AAU. That was an incredible statement to me. Anyway, I think it would behoove SEC schools to seek admission (if that is what it takes) to this group. I am not naive though as politics may play a huge part as to which schools are “invited / accepted”, and which are not. Despite ND not being a member of the AAU, it is still an EXCELLENT academic university. But your point about admissions is well noted.

  71. thegamecocker says: Dec 2, 2012 10:23 AM


    I think these type of posts are absolutely necessary and needed! Kudos to LSU for improving the graduation rates of its student/athletes! That kind of news is not circulated enough and I think it should be. Here is a list of the Top FBS APR Scores:

    1. Northwestern 995
    2. Duke 989
    3. Boise St. 989
    4. Ohio St. 988
    5. Northern Illinois 987
    6. Rice 986
    7. Clemson 983
    8. Middle Tenn St. 983
    9. Rutgers 982

    Two ACC schools and two Big Ten schools…not including Rutgers. Who would have thought Clemson would be in this esteemed grouping? I would have thought Stanford, North Carolina, UVa, etc. I found this in the Rutgers Gameday Program from last weeks loss to Louisville.

  72. cometkazie says: Dec 2, 2012 10:49 AM

    thegamecocker says:
    Dec 2, 2012 10:23 AM

    Here is a list of the Top FBS APR:

    Where is U$C on the list?

    PappaBush88 has dropped out of sight, just like the school he roots for.

    In my 50y of experience after graduating from college, I find education works when you fit the individual to the school. My son went to LSU and thrived. I would have been lost. My daughter went to Centre here in the BlueGrass, a small liberal arts school with an excellent reputation. (The VP debate was held here this year, in case the name is familiar.) That worked for her. I went to a similar school in Shreveport.

    They took their educations and did something with it, good responsible jobs. Both are field grade officers in the Army/NG, FWIW.

    My ex-wife wasn’t interested in LSU football so I took David to games starting in the ’70s when he was eight or so. Die hard Tiger fan, he. Football is another world to Liz, tho.

    What good is a great education if you don’t do anything with it?

  73. crazycane says: Dec 2, 2012 11:28 AM

    SEC officiating favoring the team ranked higher? You don’t say

  74. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 2, 2012 11:32 AM

    igottz5onit wrote on: Dec 1, 2012 11:18 PM

    I disagree. The only really good teams the Tide played during the regular season were LSU and Texas A&M. Notre Dame played Stanford, Oklahoma, and USC. Both teams had other teams that were supposed to be good scheduled but they fell short of expectations.
    You seem to forget that Alabama played Michigan @ Jerry World to open the season when Michigan was ranked #8. Mississippi State was a ranked team when Bama played them.

    Point is, you play the schedule you have and let the chips fall where they may. Who knew Auburn and Arkansas would fall off the football cliff? Who knew Texas A&M would be the best team (December 2) in the country after their move to the SEC. I’m a Bama grad and A&M is playing the best ball right now. They’re balanced on passing and running the football. They have the athletes on both sides of the ball, they just haven’t the quality depth…..yet. Add an intangible like Johnny F’ng
    Football and you have a solid team for next year.

    I bet Florida and LSU would not want to play A&M right now.

    Norm tide was correct, the SEC is college football’s premiere conference…. for now.

  75. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 2, 2012 11:40 AM

    I wonder if ABC can coax Keith Jackson out of retirement to do a promo where he rolls out his

    “A-la-bam-ma” one more time

  76. southernpatriots says: Dec 2, 2012 11:50 AM


    Maybe they can get a video, if not him. Would be great for a promo or something…what a great idea.

  77. thegamecocker says: Dec 2, 2012 12:26 PM

    Unfortunately not on the list

    Sent from my iPhone

  78. Deb says: Dec 2, 2012 12:40 PM

    @rsmeans, cometkazie, alligatorsnapper, etc. …

    Yes, I second, third, and so on your posts. To quote Andy, “What it was was football,” and these silly boobs will forever try to make it something else just to soothe their bruised egos. They’ll also never get why we’d have been rooting for whichever of our teams made it to this game, regardless of any animosity we experienced along the way. SEC! SEC!

    @thecrazyasian …

    Prevent defense … arrrgggghhh!!! 😀

    @thegamecocker …

    You made me laugh out loud. So did the ND guy who doesn’t understand your name. Apparently they’ve never even heard of the South Carolina Gamecocks :)

  79. Deb says: Dec 2, 2012 12:41 PM

    Yes, yes, yes to bringing back Keith Jackson. Was I the only one who finally had to mute Gary Danielson yesterday?

  80. snaxdsp says: Dec 2, 2012 12:43 PM

    First of

  81. dcroz says: Dec 2, 2012 12:43 PM


    Why would the SEC favor the higher team? ‘Bama was #2, Georgia was #3. Regardless of who won, that team would be #2 in the BCS and would go on to play Notre Dame for the national title.

  82. snaxdsp says: Dec 2, 2012 12:45 PM

    First of all, Alabama fans have no place calling any other fan base insulting names. They are the most arrogant, ignorant, obnoxious, idiotic fans I have ever seen.

    Also, Bama got lucky…..again! Can’t wait to hear this hypocritical good game crap after ND crushes you

  83. csilojohnson says: Dec 2, 2012 12:48 PM

    Bama got lucky. Plain and simple. They could not stop Georgia. Defense was non existent on both sides. Do not see this as a commanding won by Bama. Dont see why it is being pegged as such.
    Georgia beat themselves at the end there. Bama got lucky. Not a fan of either btw.

  84. dcroz says: Dec 2, 2012 12:49 PM


    While I have often thought Verne Lundquist needed to retire and that Tim Brando is just an arrogant ass who thinks he knows everything when he is often shown to be dead wrong, I had always liked Gary…until last night. The way he and Verne kept harping on the hit on Murray after the interception was ridiculous, and the clip of it got more airtime than Janet Jackson’s “wardrobe malfunction.” It sounded almost like they were going to cry after the interception with less than a minute left in the game that eventually got overturned on replay.

  85. florida727 says: Dec 2, 2012 1:41 PM

    As a person, I really like Mark Richt, and yes, it’s primarily because of his Christian beliefs, so go ahead with the thumbs-downs, they don’t bother me.

    But as a coach, he blew this one. As JT appropriately pointed out, and I think every fan (for BOTH teams) expected, spike the ball, regroup, and run 2 or 3 plays, all passes, into the end zone. If Aaron Murray is as advertised, and I think he proved he is, give him potentially three shots at the end zone, and I think UGA is boarding a flight to Miami for the meeting with ND.

    BTW, as much as I love my Gators, if only one other SEC team gets a BCS bowl bid, I hope it’s Georgia. They earned it. They beat us, then they proved they belonged among the best in the country. Heck, they came 4 yards short of playing for it all. They deserve a BCS bowl slot. Just my opinion.

  86. southernpatriots says: Dec 2, 2012 2:07 PM


    Totally agree, except for that ending about the Gators. Louisiana passed a reciprocal law when they found out Florida had such a law that it is illegal to speak good of or support the Florida Gators, especially when they beat you in that season. (I think the law may have been in effect since Tebow’s days.) Even air space is included in the law.

    It was offered that Murray motioned to spike the ball and his coach(es) rejected that and signaled for him to proceed with the called play. Another complication may be that the final pass from Murray may have been deflected and was caught by a receiver to which it was not thrown. If not for a fingertip, the pass may have been compete for a TD or out of bounds, clock stops. Another play can be run.

    I don’t have proof for these things but some who have seen it say it is so. Someone with better vision and maybe some better technology may be able to confirm this. Would be quite an interesting and entertaining conclusion to the SEC championship game.

  87. Deb says: Dec 2, 2012 2:15 PM

    @dcroz …

    My brother likes Danielson because he’s knowledgeable, which is true. But he never shuts up. It’s grating after a while.

    Yes, he drove me nuts on that hit. It was a dirty hit, no doubt. And it should have been flagged. But it would have been a 15-yard penalty on the kickoff–period. It wasn’t a game-changing play. It was no more brutal than the previous hit on McCarron. Murray clearly wasn’t hurt, and Richt blew it off when asked. It made no sense to keep implying that Murray may have had some secret head injury.

    However, what angered me most was when he made a point of targeting the Georgia receiver who caught the tipped ball at game’s end. That was a fluke play, and the kid acted on pure instinct. Yes, it would have been better to let the ball fall to the ground–but don’t lay the loss on that kid. The primary blame falls on the coaches. These aren’t NFL players–they’re college kids. It irks me when announcers start laying blame on a kid for a game of that magnitude.

  88. cometkazie says: Dec 2, 2012 2:58 PM

    Most, but certainly not all, of what Danielson said was true, but he kept jawing all night. It could have been worse, it could have been Gruden.

    I like old time announcers like Lundquist and Mussberger (sp?). Lindsey Nelson was my favorite.

    30-40y ago there were persistent rumors that Keith Jackson had property in Baton Rouge and was going to relocate.

    If last night’s game wasn’t a great game, we wouldn’t be talking about it today.

    I just wish the season could wind up by Xmas instead of being drawn out for so long, but it is a business after all and $$$ speaks.

    At least the gambling industry isn’t the power it is with the NFL.

  89. Deb says: Dec 2, 2012 3:24 PM

    @cometkazie …

    True. The NFL’s hypocrisy over gambling blows my mind. The only reason NFL coaches are required to give injury reports is to facilitate oddsmakers. From a competitive standpoint, it’s insane to provide your opponent information on who will be starting or who is injured–and precisely how he’s been injured–for an upcoming game. But how can the oddsmakers safely make their bets without that information? However, let a player invest in some casino property in Mississippi or a slots joint in Alabama and the league goes berserk.

    I do think the league has to draw a hard line between players/coaches/owners and gambling. But I’d have more respect for them if they toed the same mark.

  90. cometkazie says: Dec 2, 2012 3:33 PM

    Deb, they had a hard time handicapping games with the replacement refs and made their displeasure known.

    The regular refs were back the next week.

    Another aspect no one has mentioned was the way the crowd was in the game last night, both sides.

    Good college football.

  91. onlyoneleft says: Dec 2, 2012 5:10 PM

    ‘SEC officiating favoring the team ranked higher? ‘

    No crap, Dick Tracy.

    Go Irish.

  92. normtide says: Dec 2, 2012 5:42 PM

    I know an ND fan is not calling out referees.

    Why are some Irish fans so nervous? Let them play the game first.

  93. onlyoneleft says: Dec 2, 2012 7:01 PM

    Danielson is kind of like Joe Morgan was in baseball. They will let you know that they know what they are talking about. Believe me, they do.

  94. tide4life says: Dec 2, 2012 7:03 PM

    What a great game! Dawgs played hard and well and just ran out of time. Doofus penalty calls (or lack of same) seemed balanced between the two teams to me, and Richt’s twisted knickers at the post game PC seemed perfectly reasonable to me. UGA came loaded for a “big game” and left nothing on the field but their guts. Lead shifts without high scores, mouth-bloody-ing meat-on-meat thudfest at the LoS, some great runs, some great air miles, some great sacks, great drives.
    The clock ran out, as it must do at some point. That’s all UGA “lost” to. THIS is why college football is the only sport I pay the slightest attention to.
    Damndamndamn well played, Dawgs. SEC rules. Now, who’s up for some smoked leprechaun? Anybody got some Tony Chachere?

  95. southernpatriots says: Dec 2, 2012 7:47 PM

    Got some! Got about a gallon! Got some Cajun marinade and brine as well. Grilled, barbequed, slow smoked, whatever way you want, we have! Understand Saban will start working on the recipe tomorrow. Ready with the seasonings and ready for Number 7. That seems like such a good number.

  96. Deb says: Dec 2, 2012 9:35 PM

    LOL @ the smoked Leprechaun. Just wish I could find some Leprechaun chew toys. It’s tradition that when we go to the championship game, my Christmas present to the family pooch is a chew toy of the other team’s mascot. It’s no problem finding a chewable cow (for the Longhorns) or tiger. But no one seems to make chewable Leprechauns 😉

  97. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Dec 2, 2012 10:31 PM

    I was listening on the radio the other day driving and, I believe it was Scot Van-pelt, who asked Mel Kiper on who he like w ND vs Bama…,before he answered the question Mel Kiper, said that he thinks there are five teams in the SEC that can beat ND.
    Scott: “really??!?”
    Mel: “right now LSU is probably the most dangerous bc they finally are clique ing on all cylinder, Florida plays the same style as ND, but on offense Florida is much more talented.
    As for TAM, John Football would absolutely shred Manti Teo and company.
    Georgia is the most balance team on offense in the SEC and ND secondary would not keep up with their pass attack while trying to hold the two freshman RBs also.
    Like Florida, Bama is somewhat built like ND, but has an intangible, AJ McCarron, who would probably pick the secondary apart, and Bama’s defensive are much bigger and ND’s offense is not the caliber of sec teams.
    Maybe even behind six SEC teams if South Carolina can get all their players back from injury.
    That’s what the great Mel Kiper said forks, not me..

  98. cometkazie says: Dec 2, 2012 10:43 PM

    Crazy, what are you doing quoting rational people?

    That goes right over the heads of the haters.


  99. ttalarico says: Dec 2, 2012 10:44 PM

    Who in the hell is Mel Kiper?

  100. Deb says: Dec 2, 2012 10:59 PM

    @ttalarico …

    You’re kidding, right?

    If not, then I guess you don’t have April 25-27 already marked on your 2013 calendar.

  101. ttalarico says: Dec 3, 2012 12:28 AM

    No. Clue me in.

  102. Deb says: Dec 3, 2012 1:54 PM

    @ttalarico …

    Mel Kiper is a draft guru who consults for ESPN, so he’s on throughout their draft coverage–which this coming year will be April 25-27. He’s a controversial figure–you either love him or hate him. But he was a pioneer in analyzing players for the draft. My brother used to order his draft guide back when he and his wife produced it in a mom-and-pop operation in his house.

    For the last few years, I’ve taken to watching the coverage on NFL Network rather than ESPN; Mike Mayock is the draft guru there. But I still have a lot of respect for how Kiper helped make draft analysis must-see TV. And he’s made some great calls through the years on players with pro potential.

    You kind of have to be a draft buff … but both the Combine in February and the Draft in April are on nonstop at my house. :)

  103. tide4life says: Dec 3, 2012 3:58 PM

    normtide says: . . . Why are some Irish fans so nervous? . . . .
    Well, as a guess, I’d say that being obnoxious does not automatically make you stupid, too. They should be nervous.

  104. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 3, 2012 11:28 PM

    What will the comments be should Bama beat ND,
    Forida is second, and LSU, Georgia, A&M and USC end up in the top eight? Inquiring minds want to know.

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