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Freshman Johnny Manziel wins the 78th Heisman Trophy

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To show just how unpredictable the 2012 college football season has been, only Kansas State quarterback Collin Klein had preseason odds to win the Heisman — a pretty 75/1 odds at that*  — of the three finalists this evening.

However, Klein, Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel and Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te’0 have all had remarkable years that earned them an invite to New York. By no coincidence, the three teams these players represent are a combined 33-3 and one (Notre Dame) will play in the BCS championship next month.

But in the end, the 78th edition of the trophy went to Johnny Manziel. The redshirt freshman has been among the most exciting players in college football on one of the most surprising teams in college football. Manziel leads his team in rushing and passing and has 43 total touchdowns to his name this year.

Manziel becomes the first freshman ever and the second A&M player (John David Crow, 1957) to be added to the Heisman fraternity.

Manziel’s youth didn’t deter voters. Manziel totaled 474 first-place votes, Te’o had 321 and Klein had 60. Manziel also won five of the six voting regions, notably winning both the South and Southwest regions. You can thank conference realignment for that.



(*Hat tip to our pal, @KegsnEggs, for that little bit of Heisman information)

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99 Responses to “Freshman Johnny Manziel wins the 78th Heisman Trophy”
  1. be4bama says: Dec 8, 2012 9:02 PM


    Sent from my iPhone

  2. soundsofsuccess7 says: Dec 8, 2012 9:04 PM

    this is horseshit, should be Manti, and I’m an SC fan..

  3. jtchernak says: Dec 8, 2012 9:04 PM

    Te’o should have won. The more espn talked about manziel the more I hated him. They talked about him for about 25 minutes and only gave 10 min to the other two.

  4. floridacock says: Dec 8, 2012 9:07 PM

    No way. Two home losses???? Bad call

  5. kiopta1 says: Dec 8, 2012 9:07 PM

    Congrats Manziel, many more games to play. Manti you have a Nat Champ to win.


  6. nickynick04 says: Dec 8, 2012 9:09 PM

    2001 SEC Football Graduation rates

    Football Graduation Rates: SEC
    Vanderbilt 89%
    Georgia 68%
    Florida 67%
    Alabama 67%
    LSU 67%
    Mississippi St. 64%
    Auburn 63%
    Kentucky 63%
    Mississippi 61%
    South Carolina 57%
    Arkansas 55%
    Tennessee 53%

    Pathetic for schools of higher learing

  7. kiopta1 says: Dec 8, 2012 9:10 PM

    It’s not really a surprise considering how much ESPN has been selling him the last month.

  8. bender4700 says: Dec 8, 2012 9:11 PM

    Johnny Heisman!

    Thanking Mike Sherman was pure class. This kid gets it. Love it.

  9. 35longmiles says: Dec 8, 2012 9:14 PM

    Where did you come up with those horseshit graduation stat nickynik? Not that football fans really care about players graduation rates. Got write a book report you little limp wristed hater.

  10. thefiesty1 says: Dec 8, 2012 9:15 PM

    Congrats to Johnny and the AGGIES. Let’s see what he can do the next couple of years now. It should have gone to an upperclassman. Amazing season for the Ags. Who would have thunk it? And to top it off, Mack Brown was recruiting him as a safety. Wow!

  11. vanmorrissey says: Dec 8, 2012 9:15 PM

    Naysayers are a bunch of ignorant goofs who can’t appreciate what a great year he had. Get over it, he won by a democratic count which is what our society is based upon. Don’t like it, tough.

  12. gatorprof says: Dec 8, 2012 9:15 PM

    Congrats to Manziel.

    Johnny beat Bama on their turf.

    ND will be destroyed by Bama at a neutral site.

  13. dinklespiel says: Dec 8, 2012 9:15 PM

    Go Johnny Go!
    The Heisman is right where it belongs.
    Sorry all you whiner’s.

  14. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 8, 2012 9:20 PM

    nickynick04 says: Dec 8, 2012 9:09 PM

    2001 SEC Football Graduation rates

    Football Graduation Rates: SEC
    Vanderbilt 89%
    Georgia 68%
    Florida 67%
    Alabama 67%
    LSU 67%
    Mississippi St. 64%
    Auburn 63%
    Kentucky 63%
    Mississippi 61%
    South Carolina 57%
    Arkansas 55%
    Tennessee 53%

    Pathetic for schools of higher learing

    Must be a sheltered Irish athlete posting.



    Come on. do try harder! Manti is AVERAGE at best on his best days and the voting reflected it.

    Manziel started as a red shirt freshman QB in a new
    system, with a new coach, and a new conference.
    The two home losses were against two team ranked higher than they are now. (Florida and LSU)

    Manti should never have been considered. It was ONLY Notre Dame’s rise this year than allowed Manti to be even considered.

  15. barbeaux says: Dec 8, 2012 9:22 PM

    Well earned and well deserved

  16. matt2calvin says: Dec 8, 2012 9:23 PM

    The Heisman Trophy has become as irrelevant as the Nobel Peace Prize. It is won for political reasons, instead of won on the field…

  17. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 8, 2012 9:24 PM

    The coup de grace should be when Seals Jones from Sealy announces his selection of college on Monday.

  18. mcqphx says: Dec 8, 2012 9:24 PM

    Bad choice.

  19. binkabish says: Dec 8, 2012 9:27 PM

    errrrrrr I graduated errrrrrr! Nobody gives shart about graduation percentages except notre dame fans! I don’t set on my couch every Saturday to watch a damn spelling bee! Give it up already!

  20. ronin262 says: Dec 8, 2012 9:27 PM

    Congratulations to Johnny Manziel and props to the other finalists who also had exceptional seasons. Now,one question: who was the pimp in the yellow suit and hat in the background? What a ridiculous outfit!

  21. kdbroom says: Dec 8, 2012 9:28 PM


    You are yet another example of people who must bash other people’s schools as a way of feeling better about themselves. In my experience, people who do so are normally compensating for something, like low self-esteem. The only way you can feel good about yourself is to knock down others, and that’s sad.

  22. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 8, 2012 9:31 PM

    matt2calvin says: Dec 8, 2012 9:23 PM

    The Heisman Trophy has become as irrelevant as the Nobel Peace Prize. It is won for political reasons, instead of won on the field…

    So generating 4,600 yds in total offense against tough conference opposition with 43 TD’s as a red shirt freshman isn’t winning it on the field? Breaking two former Heisman winners records in his first year playing is not winning it on the field? Defeating a defending national champion on their home field when they are #1 isn’t winning on the field?…… I guess you’re a bitter ND supporter

  23. rascalmanny says: Dec 8, 2012 9:32 PM

    All the haters will cry themselves to sleep at night. Or use their Obama phone to call for help.

  24. dinklespiel says: Dec 8, 2012 9:40 PM

    To all those who have commented negatively already or plan to, just remember this, Jonny M HAS the 2012 Trophy, worthless or not, and nobody else is going to get it this year.

  25. Deb says: Dec 8, 2012 9:40 PM

    Congrats to Johnny Football. I wasn’t thrilled with the idea of awarding the Heisman to a freshman, but nickynick04’s ignorant post about graduation rates from more than a decade ago suddenly made this seem like another sweet victory for the SEC. Excellent!

    By the way, nicky, if I were a sore loser like you and some of these other dolts, I would not advertise it on a football blog the way you guys do. Your tears are like nectar to us.

  26. crazysamoan says: Dec 8, 2012 9:52 PM

    One word for manziel “Proactive”

  27. barbeaux says: Dec 8, 2012 9:55 PM

    ^he probably has one word for you. Heisman. #shallow

  28. rabbi187 says: Dec 8, 2012 10:10 PM

    5 TDs 4 INTs against the 5 ranked teams this season, one of which was La Tech. Heisman worthy? That being said, you can make cases against all 3 finalists. Like Herbstreit said, this is the worst Heisman class in quite sometime…

  29. BrownsTown says: Dec 8, 2012 10:11 PM

    Lots of production, but it came against cake defenses. I’d be curious to see what he’d do against a conference that wasn’t packed with finesse defenses and players that never succeed in the NFL.

    Oh well, can’t hold the conference transfer against him. He plays whoever is on the schedule…..

  30. Jen says: Dec 8, 2012 10:12 PM

    Reblogged this on What's good… what's real real good! and commented:
    Congrats to Johnny Manziel! This is a great day for my beloved team :)

  31. cometkazie says: Dec 8, 2012 10:26 PM

    Isn’t it nice to see the Aggies rockin’ and rollin’ with the rest of the SEC?

    I love it!

  32. kage916 says: Dec 8, 2012 10:47 PM

    The Heisman is nothing more than a popularity / flavor of the month award now. Media loved RG3s socks last year, now they love Manziels generic nickname. Te’o was robbed, ESPN playing Manziel highlights every 2 minutes

  33. wethog66 says: Dec 8, 2012 10:54 PM

    If I had a Heisman vote I would of cast it for Johnny Football, but can we get the facts straight please. He is a REDSHIRT freshman, not a true freshman. There is a difference.

  34. barbeaux says: Dec 8, 2012 10:57 PM

    Would Te’o have been considered without the narrative? He didn’t lead his own team in stats except for one…one. He didn’t lead the nation in any defensive stats.

  35. gbar22 says: Dec 8, 2012 11:02 PM

    I know Notre Dame is America’s sweetheart but there is no way te’o should have won it. Manzell put up better numbers than cam and tebow both former winners and te’o while the emotional leader of the Irish was not an overwhelming defensive presence. If a defensive player were to win he better dominate the game of college football. Sorry but Te’o did not the man had one sack for god sake.

  36. klownboy says: Dec 8, 2012 11:10 PM

    Te’o should have won that award. Without him ND would have been average at best.

  37. dfer2544 says: Dec 8, 2012 11:14 PM

    here is what blows my mind….A&M finished last year in the bottom half of the big 12, yet this year they are rewarded cause they are in the SEC and the make an impact so all of a sudden the get more national recognition. Look at
    manziels numbers vs ranked teams, not so impressive. Maybe people need to stop listening to espn so much and have a real opinion on the “dominant” SEC conference. solid conference but nothing near what they make it out to be

  38. handsofsweed says: Dec 8, 2012 11:17 PM

    Who gives a shit? Seriously. I’m an OSU lifer and I didn’t give a squirt of stale piss when Eddie George and Troy Smith both won it. I also don’t care that Braxton Miller got “snubbed” this year. None of those outcomes had anything to do with the TEAM.

    The Heisman may actually be more worthless than the NCAA or the BCS.

    That said, we dug our own damn grave and have nobody but ourselves to blame for why we are not favorites to beat ND in the title game.

    Good luck to both Alabama and Notre Dame in the title game. I’m just extremely grateful that we will end up #2 this year, regardless of the outcome of the title game.

  39. ttalarico says: Dec 8, 2012 11:17 PM

    Congrats to Johnny Football! He had a fantastic season and probably deserved the award.

    I don’t think any defensive player will ever win the Heisman as it is considered an offensive award by the voters.

    ND fans, don’t feel so bad for Manti. He just ended up winning more awards than any college football player ever!! That’s EVER!! Unlike some of the postings above, there were quite a few voters who felt that he was a pretty good FB player.

  40. irishdodger says: Dec 8, 2012 11:34 PM

    Congrats to Manziel and A&M. Not sure why your opponents in the SEC are celebrating as they don’t get to add the trophy to their teams’ successes.

    To all SEC fans who never even watched one full game of Collin Klein or Te’o: Manti is a MLB…not an OLB…not a DE. He does NOT play the same position as Jarvis Jones or Jadveon Clowney who are sack specialists. Manti had 7 ints & 1.5 sacks….he’s not an edge rusher…get it?

  41. thraiderskin says: Dec 8, 2012 11:39 PM

    Congrats Texas A&M… YOU (and only Texas A&M) earned this victory. I personally would have liked it to go to Te`o, but the case was just as strong for any of the three.

  42. pinchegringo12 says: Dec 8, 2012 11:45 PM

    Teo, great player and ND has a great defense this year and in the Natty…but Clowney and Jones were better. And if you can’t give the kid QB props, you haven’t seen him play or are a domer homer…personal items and age are factors but not primary ones (voters know this).

  43. bigdawg24 says: Dec 8, 2012 11:47 PM

    And he’s not eligible for the Chiefs to draft…. 😦

  44. wethog66 says: Dec 9, 2012 12:09 AM

    There are now 4 “Call me Johnny Heisman” pop up adds on the home page right now. 3 of them are right next to each other.

    Really A&M? Do you really need to spam something like the home page with Johnny Heisman adds?

    How does that old football saying go? Act like you’ve been there before? Yeah, Aggies Nation, we get you are proud of Johnny Heisman, but act like you’ve won something like that before, even if you haven’t. You are in the SEC now. Time to put on the big boy pants.

  45. irishdodger says: Dec 9, 2012 12:15 AM


    If all u watch is SEC, then I see your point. Te’o is a MLB not an OLB or a DE. They’re not comparable positions. Te’o position is more similar to a strong safety. Jones & Clowney are pass rush specialists hence the high number of sacks (much like NDs Tuitt who u likely haven’t even heard of b/c he doesn’t play in the SEC). Te’o is a run stopper & pass defender hence his 7 INTs & over 100 tackles three years in a row. The kid had more INTs than every CB in CFB.

    Clowney is a freak & will be a high draft pick. Like Tuitt, he demands double teams. Jones is a great athlete & likely the #1 overall pick….but that doesn’t equate to being the best COLLEGE defensive player. He’s great at rushing the QB & his 1st half stats vs Bama show that. However, he was owned by the Bama OL in the run game and usually ran himself out of plays as he blitzed up field while Bama ran down field in the opposite direction. Georgia arguably has more & better NFL talent than Bama on D…but they don’t play better as a unit as they gave up tons of yardage & points to horrible teams like Kentucky & Tennessee. I bet u & the rest of SEC fandom didn’t know that Georgia had the 79th ranked rush D in the nation and only defeated 2 FBS teams w/ winning records. Hype only gets u so far. Georgia was overrated.

  46. kozbee says: Dec 9, 2012 12:25 AM

    Glad Johnny won,imo he was more deserving.

  47. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Dec 9, 2012 12:43 AM

    You see Texas AM, all you had to do was join the SEC, have a good year, and the world will respect you.
    Do the same thing in the BIG12 and would have notice you.

  48. barbeaux says: Dec 9, 2012 1:41 AM

    @dfer2544… Yeah I would call a conference with what 6 out of the top then BCS as being “not dominant.” Excellent analysis…not. Lol.

  49. jammers11 says: Dec 9, 2012 2:06 AM

    What a joke. Why don’t they just call the Heisman the offensive player of the year award?

  50. barbeaux says: Dec 9, 2012 2:30 AM

    Maybe the defensive player should be a dominant rather than a lifetime story? Te’o didn’t lead his team nor FBS in defensive stats.

  51. jimmygrahamchrisivory says: Dec 9, 2012 2:42 AM

    This is pathethic that the media isn’t giving any credit to Kevin Sumlin for helping Manziel develop into a heisman candidate in both of their first seasons at Texas A&M. Hmmmm, I wonder why….

    If this was Saban or anyone else, they would be going crazy about how much of a genius Saban is for getting this type of production out of his QB. To top it off, Sumlin beat Saban and no one still didn’t throw any credit his way, as well as still seeing Alabama play for the BCS championship despite beating them.

  52. barbeaux says: Dec 9, 2012 2:47 AM

    ^are you pulling the race card?

  53. goodfieldnohit says: Dec 9, 2012 3:13 AM

    Haters gonna hate. I saw him play in person for 10 games. He was the best player on the field in every game, even in the losses to Florida and LSU.

    Thanks to Sumlin and Kingsbury, it wouldn’t have been possible without them.

  54. Tim's Neighbor says: Dec 9, 2012 3:49 AM

    Good for Manziel. I was rooting for Te’o, and though I disagree with the outcome, I can’t be upset. Te’o was honored on the defensive side. The Heisman is many things an not accepting that is part hype isn’t being realistic. It is what it is. And hype helped Te’o and Klein this year as well.

    And anyone who thinks Te’o is average doesn’t watch football much. Everyone but this vocal minority yelling recognizes that Te’o is a great college football player. Coaches, players, nfl scouts. Just because you may not think Te’o is the best (a reasonable conclusion), doesn’t mean he’s simply not good. More than one player can be great at a time. Jones, Clowney, Te’o… They all have their strengths and weaknesses. They all do and are asked to do different things. Cherry picking stats to compare apples to oranges is a waste of time. The one thing Te’o really has over the other two is a #1 defense (scoring) and an undefeated record. Both pretty damn good.

  55. slowclyde86 says: Dec 9, 2012 4:42 AM

    The award loses credibility when only Qb’s or Rb’s can win it (Woodson is the exception that proves the rule). There are 20 other positions on the field, and every year just one of two wins? It’s kind of a joke.

  56. joewilliesshnoz says: Dec 9, 2012 6:49 AM

    Nice to see the right guy win for a change.

  57. nickynick04 says: Dec 9, 2012 6:49 AM

    The graduation rates are from 2011 and I am a South Carolina fan….Graduation rates are important
    I am not a hater….

  58. twoody50 says: Dec 9, 2012 7:34 AM

    Hey rabbii, Herbstreit’s opinion is worth about as much as his QBing was.

  59. twoody50 says: Dec 9, 2012 7:36 AM

    You people will never learn that ESPN sells the SEC exclusively with Mike Golic being the lone golden domer.

  60. floridacock says: Dec 9, 2012 7:55 AM


    From one South Carolina fan to another…………..
    SHUT UP! The NCAA stands for National Collegiate ATHLETIC Association! What does any schools academics have to do with this football discussion? Go pay someone money to sit outside the business school and watch future millionaires walk out if that is what makes you happy, but these kids, graduate or not, are getting an opportunity that most would not get otherwise. If they choose not to fully utilize it, that is their choice and fault. You sound like another jealous paper Big 10 fan.

  61. nickynick04 says: Dec 9, 2012 8:45 AM

    Well,,,it sounds like most folks on here do not agree with me.
    Meaning they could care less if their tax dollars are not used for their intended purpose as to assist in the contimuned educational process.

    I am not a hater of any team, nor do I care about who wins the Heisman.
    My point is that SEC Football graduation percentages are Pathetic….South Carolina 57%
    ‘ bama 67%…
    Folks we need to do better.
    Notre dame 97% graduation rate.
    I am not a Irish fan but it does not seem fair that a school who makes their athletes study, go to class, and PASS should not have to play schools that are Football Factories and can care less if guys go to class, study or fail !

    I dont have the answer, but it just is wrong.
    We as a society SHOULD care if a kid who gets a scholorship goes to class and studies AND PASSES !

  62. nickynick04 says: Dec 9, 2012 8:49 AM

    35longmiles says:Dec 8, 2012 9:14 PM

    Where did you come up with those horseshit graduation stat nickynik? Not that football fans really care about players graduation rates. Got write a book report you little limp wristed hater.



    These graduation rates come from the NCAA and are from 2011……so now what ?
    They are not bullshit…care to defend these rates

  63. cometkazie says: Dec 9, 2012 9:39 AM

    The grad rates posted are suspect. LSU football’s is 70% and second only to Vandy in the SEC.

    Better yet, look at the overall grad rates for incoming freshmen: how many of them graduate within six years?

    It would also be interesting to see the education level of the yahoos on this list that bloviate the most. I have a B.S. in chemistry.

  64. jjdstl01 says: Dec 9, 2012 9:41 AM

    And the Heisman continues to be a joke.

  65. scalpemseminoles says: Dec 9, 2012 10:40 AM

    How stupid are all yall “manziel for heisman” people going to look when his numbers are half this good next season? Notre dame wouldn’t be undefeated without teo and 70% of ksu’s 11-1 offense came from Klein. This is stupid. People remember one game manziel had and think he’s a legend. America needs to learn how to vote better in everything

  66. barbeaux says: Dec 9, 2012 12:27 PM

    lol. So you say he broke newton’s and Tebow’s records in just one game? Maybe one can’t see the big picture. Just because you didn’t hear about him until then doesn’t mean lots other people didn’t either.

  67. seamus0317 says: Dec 9, 2012 12:50 PM

    It is now officially an offensive trophy! Manziel was worthy but Te’o deserved it!

  68. caribbeancruzn says: Dec 9, 2012 1:03 PM

    Johnny boy should have thanked ESPN for his award – because they got it for him. And sorry folks, but K-State’s Arthur Brown had every bit as good of stats as Te-o did. The fact is, because Kansas State is Big 12 and in the middle of nowhere – it’s never gonna get it’s due. A freshman should never, ever be considered for this award, no matter what the stats…and frankly with some of his off field antics, it should have never been. Collin Klein carried his team on his back the entire year & is exactly what the Heisman should be about. His stats in big games are by far better than Manziels. The fact that he got very little video & background talk during the show, just showed what little respect they had for Kansas State. One bad game should not have exlcuded him from winning just as one great game should not have been the winning factor for Manziel. What a crock this has become.

  69. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 9, 2012 2:30 PM

    Collins lost to a sub .500 team in Baylor. I’m glad you recognize that the Big 12 is nothing more than the old Big Eight with two dominant schools in texas and OU. You may own Texas but you are Deloss Dodds whipping boy.

  70. sfm073 says: Dec 9, 2012 2:41 PM

    I always laugh when college FOOTBALL fans bring up graduation statistics. Tell me when was the last time you spent a Saturday afternoon watching a college debate.

  71. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 9, 2012 2:52 PM

    Interesting comparison

    Which MLB would you want on your team? Senior season stats

    MLB#1 wasn’t invited to the Heisman award ceremony.

    147 Tackles
    20 Tackles for loss
    4 Ints
    4 Forced fumbles
    1 TD

    MLB #2 invited to the Heisman award ceremony.

    103 Tackles
    5.5 Tackles for loss
    7 Ints
    0 forced fumble
    0 TD’s.

    Shows just how bad T’eo performance this past football season actually was. He did not lead in any
    defensive stats nationally, yet was touted as the best college football player. If it wasn’t for ND rising in the polls this year, T’eo would have toiled in total obscurity.

    Manziel deserved the award AND Manziel earned it. Ten years from now no one will even remember T’eo was second.

  72. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 9, 2012 3:09 PM

    I watch “debates” every Saturday afternoon. It is called football as Andy Griffin described it.

    I never knew a university’s chemistry department to fill an a class room much less a stadium.

    As to graduation rates, sure kids are used to fill the stadiums. Is it the University’s fault if the kid goes pro or if the kid transfers when his coach leaves? Is it the University’s fault that the kid fails to take advantage of the educational opportunity presented to the kid?

    No, you want to complain on college graduation rates at the END of the process. Why not complain that little Te’o is socially promoted at the tax payers expense in grade school, middle school and HS when everyone knows little Te’o can’t read or write. Why because the school districts want federal dollars.

    It isn’t the University that failed the kid. It was the local school district that failed the kid.

  73. greggatx says: Dec 9, 2012 4:16 PM

    Just another thing that’s wrong with college football. He was not the best player this year but if your from a sec team you will win. He forgot to show up for the second half of two games. Klein was the obivous best player but the politics always win out. This diminishes the Heisman Trophy Award. The Sooners will put him in his place come Jan. 1st. Go Sooners!

  74. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 9, 2012 4:58 PM

    Klein committed the sin of losing late in the year to a sub 500 team in Baylor. His game performance was substandard. Politics had nothing to do with the Heisman. Manziel had 4600 yds in total offense with 43 touchdowns. Klein paled in comparison.

    As to the two games, Florida and LSU, two teams ranked above TAMU in the TOP TEN rankings, was a REDSHIRT freshman initial games. Sumlin admitted he did not have over half the offense installed when TAMU played Florida. They lost by three points.

    TAMU missed two makable field goals against LSU, TAMU lost two games to very good opponents.

    When I watched TAMU play Alabama in Denny Bryant Stadium, TAMU can play with anybody in the country and beat them. They did it to us on our field when we were ranked #1, and Manziel is a very special player who I wish nothing but the best.
    I welcome TAMU to the SEC and thank Texas for opening up Texas for the SEC to
    recruit in all sports.

    The Cotton Bowl should be fun.

  75. seamus0317 says: Dec 9, 2012 6:05 PM

    Wow amosalonzostagg you must have been sniffing some of the leftover nuclear fusion at the University of Chicago! “Just shows how bad a season Te’o had”

    Get off the drugs son they are making you null and void!!!

  76. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 9, 2012 8:10 PM


    No fusion here. Te’o is an AVERAGE player on a questionable team playing in the National Championship game. Anything else is pure bovine feces from the ND SID. Name one category in the defensive FBS stats that Te’o led or excelled in?

    Bueller? Bueller?

    That’s what I thought crickets….

    Te’o was an average MLB last year for ND and is only a national focus because of personal situations and ND’s rise in the polls. Tell me, would Te’o even be in discussion if ND was 8-4? Answer, no.

    Don’t fall for the faded ND Heisman machine.

  77. florida727 says: Dec 10, 2012 7:57 AM

    Watch how easy this is:

    Manziel – only 5 TDs and 4 INTS against the 5 ranked teams he faced
    Te’o – did not lead the nation in any one statistical category
    Klein – lost to an unranked Baylor team

    Manziel – beat Alabama, is a human highlight film
    Te’o – inspirational leader of nation’s only undefeated team
    Klein – statistical monster, accounted for 69% of team’s offense

    Face it. Anyone that wants to ‘hate’ because they disagree with the result, will. Anyone that likes the result will defend it. Anyone can make an argument for their favorite. I like what one post said: regardless, Manziel does, in fact, have the trophy and forever more will be known as a “Heisman Trophy Winner”.

  78. tlmoon2112 says: Dec 10, 2012 8:50 AM

    Johnny Heisman, as it should be. It shouldn’t have even been a debate.

  79. 11thstreetmafia says: Dec 10, 2012 9:08 AM

    If this clown blows his next three years, the Heisman will officially be a joke. If it isn’t already.

  80. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 10, 2012 10:32 AM

    First and foremost… Congrats to Johnny Manziel. He had a great season, broke records and was a virtual highlight reel. Everything the Heisman should be. No offense to Te’o or Klein who also had deserving seasons but I as well as voters feel that Manziel had the best individual season in CFB.

    ND fans that think Manziel shouldn’t have won because he lost two games need to petition the Heisman Trust to revoke Tim Brown’s ’87 Heisman since the Irish lost 3 games before the trophy was handed out and their bowl game.

    A&M is already reaping the rewards from this. They will have a top 5 recruiting class after RSJ signs today and possibly top 3 if Hoza Scott signs on Wed.

    I imagine the Aggies will be in a really good spot to compete for a national title in 2014 or 2015.

  81. gfj7000 says: Dec 10, 2012 11:42 AM

    Like more than half of you with your comments above, the Heisman selection this year is quite a disappointment. Before the Alabama game, Johnny was just ‘another name’ amongst a tribe of great QBs throughout the country. After that game, Johnny was ‘puffed up’ like the nation’s chief Pillsbury doughboy QB for CFB. What if he & A&M had NOT won that game? Would Johnny still have received much fame & publicity? I sincerely doubt it. So, many of us are not happy with this year’s ‘weak’ selection of finalists. Normally, there are at least five finalists. Why they’ve chosen a freshman for this award, surprises thousands of us. Many QBs, and Running back upperclassmen were more worthy of this award – we don’t have to name the names – they’re obvious to all. Comments?

  82. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 10, 2012 12:24 PM

    What if??? I can what if you to death??

    What if Manti Te’o played on an undefeated Ohio St. team?? What if any of a number of VERY close games went the other way for ND?

    If Manziel didn’t beat Bama, he doesn’t win the Heisman… But if A&M goes 6-6 and BEATS Bama, he still doesn’t win the Heisman. But the fact is… He did beat Bama, he was on a 10 win SEC team, and he is deserving of the Heisman.

    Truth is, commentators on his first game (nationally televised vs Florida) at halftime said this guy might win the Heisman he was so good. He won the weekly Walter Camp award twice. He was on sportscenter after the Arkansas win and the La Tech win. and then yes… the Bama win pushed him close to the top. He still needed Klein to falter, which he did the next week against, statistically, one of the 5 worst defenses in CFB.

    Manti Te’o was NEVER the front runner for the Heisman. Not once during the whole season.

    Front Runners:
    Matt Barkley
    Geno Smith
    Colin Klein
    Johnny Manziel

  83. seamus0317 says: Dec 10, 2012 4:24 PM

    I want to live in your dreamworlds amosalonzostagg! You’re just another ND hater coming out of the woodwork to debase their success this season.

    I love it when the Irish are relevant!

  84. Deb says: Dec 10, 2012 6:00 PM

    @nickynick04 …

    You’re the one who posted that those stats came from 2001. And I have no idea what team you support or your reason for slamming SEC schools at every opportunity. Your reasons are your own, but don’t expect the rest of us to respect or appreciate it.

    We’ve spent our lives having to live down ridicule from fools who like to pat themselves on the back and claim they’re intellectually superior simply because they were born north of the Mason-Dixon. We know it takes a special kind of idiot to believe IQ is determined by the patch of soil your mother is living on when she gives birth. But we have to put up with it anyway. We understand the North has produced just as many bigots, know the Klan’s membership reached its highest numbers in Illinois, and remember that Boston schools didn’t integrate until more than a decade after ours. But no matter how much we as individuals may have worked for civil rights causes, we still have to put up with morons on blogs calling us racists because they’re pissed that their teams can’t beat ours on a football field.

    We know the historical socioeconomic obstacles our universities have had to overcome in order to compete with schools from other regions, and that the graduation rates among our athletes have been steadily increasing along with our schools’ overall academic rankings. But while some of our schools rank right alongside the Big 10 schools, others still lag despite all the improvements they’ve made. We’re proud of how far our schools have come, but know more work needs to be done. But we still have to put up with boobs who aren’t man enough to own their losses on the field so they divert the subject to graduation rates–which has nothing to do with FOOTBALL.

    So if you are a South Carolina fan and not just another Big 10 hater and all these off-topic academic posts are some bizarre kind of SEC self-flagellation rather than Big 10 smack … please just seek therapy and leave the rest of us in peace. Thanks.

  85. waynefontes says: Dec 11, 2012 8:36 AM

    scalpemseminoles says:
    Dec 9, 2012 10:40 AM
    How stupid are all yall “manziel for heisman” people going to look when his numbers are half this good next season?

    11thstreetmafia says:
    Dec 10, 2012 9:08 AM
    If this clown blows his next three years, the Heisman will officially be a joke. If it isn’t already.


    Since it’s obvious that you two are not smart enough to figure this out on your own, I’ll help you.

    The Heisman Trophy is about one single year. It’s not a lifetime achievement award. It doesn’t matter what he does the rest of his football career. He had the best season in college football this season.

    Te’o is a great player, but Manziel had the better year. It’s not even close, if you look at it objectively.

  86. florida727 says: Dec 11, 2012 11:53 AM

    scalpemseminoles says: Dec 9, 2012 10:40 AM
    How stupid are all yall “manziel for heisman” people going to look when his numbers are half this good next season?


    Just a quick FYI for you: I checked, it’s right there on the trophy they gave Manziel, I saw it with my own eyes, it reads “2012”. I’m not 100% sure, but I’ve been told that when they hand out the trophy next year, it more than likely will read “2013”. Again, not confirmed, only a rumor, so if next year’s trophy does in fact also say “2012” on it, then you have a very valid argument, and I’ll be the first one to support you. Keep me posted, okay? Oh yeah, by the way, 37-26. Just a friendly reminder.

  87. earz4lsu says: Dec 12, 2012 1:19 AM

    Lets put this to bed right now.

    Yes Taiou or however the hell you spell his name is a decent linebacker but he made his name for interceptions and for wearing a gold helmet.

    Since people on here love to look at Grad rates for the SEC, looks use stats to crush Matti as have earned the Heisman.

    BTW these numbers come from:

    Total Tackles ranked 59th in the nation for FBS.
    – There were 4 players from the SEC ranked higher than him.
    – This is a Linebackers Job, make tackles, and based on stats from the NCAfreakingA 58 other players were better.

    SOLO tackles –
    There were 94 players ranked and MATJCKHC was not on the list. Last I checked Making tackles was a LB’s job. If you can’t rank nationally for solo tackles then maybe we should have sent the kid from UAB who had 90 solo tackles for the year.

    Tackles for loss
    100 spots on the list and Nope not on the list. The top 3 spots were 1. SEC 2. SEC 3. Some kid from buffalo.

    Forced fumbles
    A freaking DL from his own team forced more fumbles than him. This tells me that he was not a devastating tackler from a position that well tackles.

    Fumble recoveries
    well at least me made the list on this one. He recovered let me check….. 2 (cue the bob ucker line from Major league at this point.) this tells me he wasn’t around the ball when some one actually put it one the ground to begin with.

    Sacks –
    Well the NCAA ranked everyone who had at least 5 sacks. Guess what he wasn’t on it.

    So what have you notre lame apologist learned, probably nothing, but the rest of the world learned that your boy had he not been wearing a golden helmet AND suffered a double tragedy on the same week would have been allowed within 100 miles of the state of new york, let alone get an invitation to the freaking Heisman award ceremony.

  88. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 12, 2012 2:56 PM


    You won’t get anywhere with the ND apologists with that argument. It’s been tried… over and over again.

    Domers are a bit more touchy feely. “He played inspired defense!”, “He was a great leader!”, “He led his team to 12-0!”

    The problem is, you’re from the SEC, where they win titles, and you’re used to seeing tangible production from your star players.

    The truth is Ryan Shazier had much more productive season from the MLB position and also led his team to 12-0, but nobody even knows who he is…

  89. earz4lsu says: Dec 12, 2012 3:46 PM


    There are 4 reasons that the lb from nd was even on that stage to begin with.

    1. notre lame is 12-0 obiviolously someone on that team deserved to be on the stage.
    2. he was the best “player” player on the team. Looking at his stats or lack there of should bring a tear to the eye of any REAL college football fan
    3. This was a very down year for the Heisman.
    4. He battled through a double “tragedy”. Now I don’t mean to make light of what he went through losing both his GF and Grandmother in the same week, but having a personal lost or two does not make you the best player in college football.

    Yes he may be a great leader, inspirational leader what have you but based on numbers alone he was not the best defensive player this year.

    Hell I think Clowney, or J.Jones would have been better players to put on that stage if you had to have someone form the defensive side of the ball.

    I will be the first to admit I didn’t see A&M being able to pull off what they did this year.

    I watched the florida game and in the second half went yep about what i expected. I really have a bad feeling with this A&M team as it pertains to the rest of the SEC especially the WEST.

    They had a better season than ut, will be playing their old conference bully, during a prime time bowl game, in their home state, in the biggest play ground stadium, in one of the most fertile HS recruiting grounds in the nation, with the ability to say they beat a NC contender, play in the toughest conference in the nation, which puts more high quality nfl talent in the nfl every year.

    The HS kids they recruit will be told not only will they play at least 2 games during their career in Death Valley, BAMA, and on the plains but they will also play in front of over 100K at Tenn, go to the swamp and the hedges, but they will also play the best players in college football.

    Wanna make it to the next level we offer a better chance than the orange and white down in austin. when the money from the bowl games and espn starts to flow in to college station and they up grade their facilities, look out Texas, SEC West, SEC and the lame fans of el notre lame-o.

    just My Humble Opinion.

  90. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 12, 2012 5:20 PM

    The Aggies are KILLING it in rrecruiting right now. The landed one of the best players in the state on Monday that they took right under UT nosem and today they landed the guy who may be THE best player in the state for 2014 whom they snatch from the claws of your Tigers. (By the way… the Tigers are dying in Texas right now, by last count, they have gotten 0 commitments out of Texas for 15 offers)

    The Aggies are STACKED with talent for the next few years. If we can get Manziel to stick around to 2015… might be our year.

    I imagine next year will be a small step back… 9 wins. Problem is in 2014 and 15 the schedule gets tougher… No UGA, UF, or SC next year…

  91. earz4lsu says: Dec 12, 2012 6:39 PM

    while no uga flordia or sc is great the problem has and will be for the very near future LSU BAMA MISS ST. and now you in the west. West is by far more stacked than any other division in the nation.

    I think as UT falls in Texas LSU can make in roads again. Right now you have taken our spot in the state and soon we will take theirs, just like we took yours.

  92. seamus0317 says: Dec 12, 2012 7:54 PM

    It’s Te’o earz4. One thing we do learn at ND is how to spell! Watch #5 on January 7. You’ll see why we are partial to him regardless of statistics.

  93. earz4lsu says: Dec 13, 2012 12:21 AM

    seamuso0317 –

    It was humor you big dummy. He’s from Hawaii, Lost 15 pounds to essentially become a big safety, wears a golden helmet and is soon to be the biggest bust in nd history, surpassing the great (only in the minds of nd fans) brady medicine woman quinn.

    Remember how he was going to expose the LSU/SEC defense in the sugar bowl and go on to a hall of fame career in the pro’s? yeah no one else does either. LSU lit his butt up, he went on to be a bust in the nfl and later replaced by Tebow.

    #5 could have a 5 year career in the nfl if he learns how to cover from the free safety spot, because he is not going to line up and play in the NFL as a LB. too slow, too small, no ferociousness when he tackles, the few times he actually makes a tackle that is.

  94. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 13, 2012 10:17 AM


    You realize that we were 2 missed 30+ yd fgs from winning the west this year, and at least a shot at going to the NCG.

    Aggies lost by 5 to LSU and the kicker missed two sub 40 yds FGs and an XP. After the way that game started, I know LSU fans had to be ecstatic to get out of there w/ a W.

    As far as Te’o goes… he’s a good player, maybe even great. He is greating great grades from the pro scouts. My issue is, he didn’t have a Heisman season. You need to have highlight real material to win the Heisman and he just doesn’t fit the bill. Making a routine tackle that you’re supposed to make, may make you a good player, doesn’t make you a Heisman winner.

  95. seamus0317 says: Dec 13, 2012 11:26 AM

    How’s JaMarcus Russel’s NFL career going by the way assears?

  96. earz4lsu says: Dec 13, 2012 3:16 PM

    That all you got. BTW I was one of the loudest screamers that he would flop. AND He did. He was dumb could throw the ball a mile but was dumb.

  97. earz4lsu says: Dec 13, 2012 3:21 PM

    Damn 8for8ou I wish I could give you more than one thumb up for the “making a routine tackle that your suppose to make, may make you a good player, doesn’t make you a heisman winner.”

    Awesome, and yes LSU fans were happy to get out of there with the W, but we have become accustomed to starting slow under miles.

  98. cometkazie says: Dec 13, 2012 4:43 PM

    There weren’t many LSU fans that were close to the program that thought Russel was going anywhere and very little surprise when he flopped.

    He didn’t know the playbook and improvised a lot. How the scouts didn’t know this is a mystery to a lot of us.

    Johnny Heisman had a Heisman year and deserves the accolade.

  99. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 14, 2012 5:25 PM

    I was in Houston last weekend visiting my son, we went to see the North Shore/Lamar regional championship game. Texas certainly has a ton of
    quality football players. I saw tens of people that I have known all my life from SEC schools. I counted 9 schools, (The entire SEC West and 3 from the SEC East) based on acquaintances seen. No, they weren’t coaches.

    Point is, having Texas A&M in the SEC is a HUGE addition. Take the obvious reason, TV market $ for TV contracts, out. A&M opens up recruiting in all sports, men and women, to the entire conference. The SEC already obtains great quality
    from our current conference, but now you open up Texas? Christmas is coming early this year.

    Adding A&M was pure genius and I guess we can thank Deloss Dodds for sending A&M our way.

    Did Jones kid from Sealy commit to A&M? If so, Having Evans on one side and him on the other isn’t going to allow defenses to play eight in the box. 2 deep safeties against Johnnie Manziel and the A&M running game? No wonder,
    Nick Saban is now looking to go to the NFL and leave my beloved Al-la-bam-ah
    (apologies, Keith!)

    Roll Tide!

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