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Jimmy Clausen has ‘Catholics vs. Cousins’ BCS championship t-shirt

Jimmy Clausen AP

You know about Catholics vs. Convicts — the nickname for the old Notre Dame-Miami rivalry — but do you know about Catholics vs. Cousins?

You know, inbreeding. Get it? If not, current Carolina Panthers and former Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen would like you to be aware because someone notice him please and maybe start him somewhere in the NFL. So he tweeted a picture of a shirt with “Catholics vs. Cousins” printed on the front, which have apparently been on the market for a couple of weeks now, in preparation of the Jan. 7 BCS championship between Notre Dame and Alabama. That tweet has since been removed, clearly out of personal safety concerns.

Of course, if you’re an Alabama fan, the only retort necessary is pointing out that Jimmy Clausen is, in fact, Jimmy Clausen.

With a hat tip to SB Nation, here’s the photo of the shirt [/flips on Finebaum]:

catholics vs. cousins

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97 Responses to “Jimmy Clausen has ‘Catholics vs. Cousins’ BCS championship t-shirt”
  1. lew24 says: Dec 17, 2012 1:23 PM

    Great Tee shirt!

  2. mrlaloosh says: Dec 17, 2012 1:28 PM

    Jimmy who?

  3. mhalt99 says: Dec 17, 2012 1:29 PM

    not the greatest defender of the south or its shameful history (yes it is shameful) but let’s hope that the Alabama nation stays classy and doesn’t devolve into the entirely too easy and shameful (yes shameful again) recent history of the horrible horrible trouble the catholic church has had in recent years.

  4. jc327 says: Dec 17, 2012 1:42 PM

    Classless and not funny.

  5. ttalarico says: Dec 17, 2012 1:49 PM

    Jimmy is a backup QB in the NFL probably making millions each year.

    Don’t you wish you were him mrlaloosh?

  6. 808raiderinparadise says: Dec 17, 2012 1:56 PM

    I thought it was funny … catholics vs convicts … vs. cousins …

    every CFB fans/students in the country print shirts like these weekly for games.

    Its just a way to get up for the game with some trash talking.

    If anyone thinks this is a big deal, then your from alabama and you are being defensive because you recently been to a family reunion.

    ROLL IRISH.

  7. ttalarico says: Dec 17, 2012 2:00 PM

    Go 808raiderinparadise!

  8. brutusbuckeye2011 says: Dec 17, 2012 2:02 PM

    @ mhalt99:
    I assume you say the South has a shameful history due to its segregation policies of the past. In the past the Northeast discriminated against the Irish (INNA (Irish Need Not Apply) printed at the bottom of employment ads). The west didn’t exactly treat Native Americans (The State of California paid $5 for every scalp turned in) or Chinese very well. The Mid-West erupted into riots when African Americans tried to move into white neighborhoods. Numerous religions have had scandals of one sort or another (religions are run by people and people do scandalous things). So I ask. What part of the country are you from and what of religion are you a member? I want to move where you live and worship in your church so I can have a holier than thou attitude too.

  9. drummerhoff says: Dec 17, 2012 2:04 PM

    Careful Jimmy. You may get ‘tea-bagged’ by a Bama-booster.

  10. kiopta1 says: Dec 17, 2012 2:08 PM

    These are funny. They could have said “I met my wife at college vs I met my wife at a family reunion.” Lol

  11. seabronco says: Dec 17, 2012 2:08 PM

    I would rather marry my cousin than molest a boy

  12. tlmoon2112 says: Dec 17, 2012 2:09 PM

    Fitting, I love it. ROLL IRISH ROLL!

  13. saints97 says: Dec 17, 2012 2:20 PM

    I’m sure the Irish fans would have a wonderful sense of humor about a Champions vs. Child Molesters tshirt, if Bammer fans were “classy” enough to print them.

  14. mgmac says: Dec 17, 2012 2:22 PM

    the bama t-shirts could read, “which head coach sent a student filmer to his death on a scissor lift”. That would be tasteless but also truthful

  15. seanb20124 says: Dec 17, 2012 2:31 PM

    Doubtful that in his 3 years Clausen has made millions. Kid has been inactive for 2 straight years. + taxes and agent fees Tal a big chunk out of his salary.

    Go Irish

  16. ttalarico says: Dec 17, 2012 2:32 PM

    Too serious here!

    As an ND fan, I would never wear that t-shirt, but even Bama fans have got to chuckle a little bit.

    If it really bothers you, well then…….

  17. ttalarico says: Dec 17, 2012 2:35 PM

    Sorry to disagree but…

    SPARTANBURG, S.C. — The Carolina Panthers signed quarterback Jimmy Clausen to a four-year contract that includes $2.53 million in guarantees on Wednesday, ensuring they’ll have no rookie holdouts for the start of training camp.

    The second-round pick from Notre Dame agreed to his deal hours before the Panthers reported to Wofford College. He was the last of Carolina’s 10 draft selections to be signed.

    Agent Gary Wichard and the Panthers worked through the night to reach a deal, which was struck after a fourth-year escalator — a rarity for a second-round pick — was included that tops out at $2.85 million. The total package could be worth as much as $6.3 million.

    Go Irish!
    Roll Irish!!

  18. hotlantalaw says: Dec 17, 2012 2:37 PM

    Ben – surprised this bothers you – or are you upset that you are well…just ben kercheval?

  19. normtide says: Dec 17, 2012 2:40 PM

    How about ” I got raped by a ND football player, and all I got was this stupid t-shirt”.

  20. tampabayirish says: Dec 17, 2012 2:42 PM

    Cmon guys. That’s a funny shirt.

  21. vanmorrissey says: Dec 17, 2012 2:57 PM

    Love it. You got to be able to laugh at yourself and not take it all so seriously. Other things in life much more important.

  22. raiderufan says: Dec 17, 2012 3:12 PM

    @brutusbuckeye2011: Well said….even if it was from a buckeye fan :)

  23. mrlaloosh says: Dec 17, 2012 3:13 PM

    ttalqrico, I guess if you count your value in monetary terms, he’s comfortable. So what, like I said, Jimmy who???

  24. bucrightoff says: Dec 17, 2012 3:21 PM

    Bama fans remember: One of your troop poisoned a tree as a means of trying to hurt a rival. Take a second, think how incredibly pathetic that is, then avoid making any comment.

    And they should have a shirt that has a scoreboard with ND 110 ALA 40 with the words “AVG IG” sitting on top.

  25. raiderufan says: Dec 17, 2012 3:24 PM

    I assume you mean “AVG IQ”?

    I hope so because that would make your post AWESOME.

  26. slartibartfast4242 says: Dec 17, 2012 3:26 PM

    “Child Molesters vs Hot Cousins”
    Not too hard to decide whom to root for…

  27. kdjinatl says: Dec 17, 2012 3:28 PM

    Perhaps after the game, Bama can reprint:
    “Hail Mary full of grace,
    Notre Dame’s in second place.”

  28. slartibartfast4242 says: Dec 17, 2012 3:29 PM

    The t-shirt does look pretty funny though.

  29. 808raiderinparadise says: Dec 17, 2012 3:51 PM

    LMAO …

    Everyone is grouping ND fans to who printed these as if all ND fans are this way? lol …. or that all catholics are child molesters? ….

    ND fans are classy generally, especially the ones who attend games.

    So don’t be passing the insult onto everyone…

    Its kinda like when Saban became “bamas” (lets not forget bama is easier on the toungue for the general population of fans to pronounce) head coach the name “Saban” for children was on the rise in state of Alabama.

    …or the fact that 80% of the fans can’t even spell Tuscaloosa, some even resist the question saying: ” I DUNT SPEEK NO GOD DARN MEXICAN !!!”

    Or maybe even that Forrest Gump was Alabamas best player ever, arguably the most intelligent too…

    Or the fact that the elephant mascot is because watching Dumbo and writing a short essay is part of academia for football players in “class”

    what a fun time of year : )

    Irish it was Jan 7th

  30. Ben Kercheval says: Dec 17, 2012 3:57 PM

    Ben – surprised this bothers you — or are you upset that you are well…just ben kercheval?

    ——————-

    The shirt doesn’t bother me. And I’m fine with me. Thanks for your concern, though.

  31. be4bama says: Dec 17, 2012 4:06 PM

    I can hardly wait until 1/7/13!!!!! ROLL TIDE ROLL #15

    Sent from my iPhone

  32. thefiesty1 says: Dec 17, 2012 4:08 PM

    Now that’s funny!

  33. whatchutalkinboutwillis says: Dec 17, 2012 4:36 PM

    I’m a Bama fan myself (have family in Bama, too), and I find that shirt funny. Nothing wrong with a bit of light-hearted humor, especially in light of recent happenings around the nation.

  34. thraiderskin says: Dec 17, 2012 4:45 PM

    That is too funny…

  35. kiopta1 says: Dec 17, 2012 4:54 PM

    Hey Seabronco, if those are your only choices then…dang.

  36. harvupdyke says: Dec 17, 2012 5:08 PM

    You think I care?

    Roll dam tide.

  37. blueglaze says: Dec 17, 2012 5:45 PM

    Alabama is going to absolutely crush the Irish Nation’s hearts when Lacy runs over t’eo… No Alabama fan here… Just SEC…

  38. 10of14 says: Dec 17, 2012 5:57 PM

    Crush? Maybe win, but nobody has or will run wild on the ND defense…do your homework pal. ND will not have a problem holding down Bama, but the ND offense is beyond horrific in the red zone and that will be there downfall.

  39. jimbo75025 says: Dec 17, 2012 6:48 PM

    Jeez, I’m from the South and even I got a chuckle about this. Too serious here people. Seeing as how Clausen rides the pine for a team playing in a southern state and is getting paid millions for it, he might want to be careful though. Isn’t this the last year of his rookie contract anyway? By the time the game rolls around he will probably be officially out of the NFL as the season is over by then so the Panthers can cut him. You know things suck when you cannot even beat out Derek Anderson for the backup gig.

  40. irishtn says: Dec 17, 2012 6:55 PM

    The T shirt should have said “I dropped my twig and berries on a passed out fan of another team and all I got was a 2 year stint in a pound me in the rear prison and this T-Shirt”

    Stay classy Bama trolls…just wow

  41. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 7:16 PM

    I’m a die hard Bama Fan and I got a chuckle. The best chuckle though will come when the clock ticks down and Blake Sims takes a knee on the ND 2 yd line to keep from running the score up.

  42. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 7:22 PM

    Oh Yeah! and jus wait til you get a good look see at my cousin:)))

  43. irishtn says: Dec 17, 2012 7:57 PM

    you know that won’t happen, they can’t tell time, if it comes to that he will look at the side line where an assistant coach will be holding up two fingers to let him know how much time is left. I love the confidence of Bama fans. seriously ND is not eastern carolina, western Kentucky, or any of the other top tier teams bama played to pad their stats. Get ready to have that same sinking feeling you had after TAMU exposed Bama for what they are. A soft team, playing a weak schedule. LSU . not even close to last years team, GA..please there were how many mistakes by Ritch the last three minutes? How many ways can another team just try to give Bama a way. Bama is over rated, keep talking. The game will be close, ND will win by double digits though. I have already put my money where my mouth is. Why do you think vegas is giving a 9 1/2 point spread. Bama fans will take in a heart beat and they clean up

  44. irishtn says: Dec 17, 2012 7:58 PM

    they clean up as in vegas

  45. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 8:11 PM

    Looking back at the Ga. game, you must have failed to notice that Bama fumbled on the 1 foot line and threw an interception in the end zone and had a blocked punt returned for a touch down. Boy! Talk about Bama trying to give a game away. It shouldn’t have been any where near as close as the score showed. How many yds. did Bama have rushing in the Ga. game? I forget. I do look for a hard fought game against ND and pray no players from either side sustain any injuries. ROLL TIDE

  46. irishtn says: Dec 17, 2012 8:16 PM

    I’ll agree on the no injuries, don’t ever want to see a kid get hurt playing a game. I think it will be hard fought for 1 /2, but again Bama’s SOS was not that great, TN tanked bad, LSU not as good, GA we already talked about. The FCS teams they played,

    Bama will not play mistake free and ND will get results from that. Bama has two choices in this game, stop Tyler Eifert and open up the wide recievers, or double the WR’s and leave the middle open for TE. Pick your poison. This defense can hang with Bama offense. I just do not see bama in anyway winning this game, but good luck and definitely no injuries

  47. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 8:19 PM

    I don’t believe in my life time that Bama has ever whipped ND. This might be the year. I hope I can see you after the game to see the expression on your face. HAW HAW HAW

  48. irishtn says: Dec 17, 2012 8:22 PM

    If they didnt loose so much talent last year to the nfl, I would say yes they are probably about to win. Just don’t see it this year. Thats why they play the game

  49. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 8:24 PM

    I know I see things differently than you since Bama is in the SEC but, several teams in the SEC I think can beat ND. LSU, Florida, Texas A&M, Georgia and most important, Bama.

  50. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 8:27 PM

    Yes, that’s why they play the game. What we think really don’t mean squat. Do you see ND playing mistake free ball? Can ND shut down Eddie Lacy for 4 qtrs? Box him in and open up the pass.

  51. irishtn says: Dec 17, 2012 8:31 PM

    If any of them could have gone unbeaten we could have seen. We didn’t even play any FCS teams. Honestly BAMA is lucky to even be here. If Ohio St was not on probation it should be the battle of the undefeated teams in the NC. I live in TN so I know the SEC and its fans well. Again though not all the top SEC teams play each other each year. They play or two of the other tops, then you have FCS teams, then the basement dwellers like TN and KY sprinkled in. I mean Vanderbilt is a team on the rise over some other teams, they gave FL a fit.

    Again thats why the game is played. I just can’t see Bama winning in any manner. LSU not as talented, Florida, almost got taken by vandy, GA…lol, AM tough team I think that would be a better game, could they take ND, not sure but what we do know is they are better than Bama

  52. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 8:42 PM

    I think ND would not be undefeated if they played USC with Barkley as qb . Stanford took ND to overtime and Pitt. almost beat ND. Vanderbilt fielded a good team this year but that was a once in every ten years thing, like Ky. If you really study it, any team that plays for the NC is usually an extremely lucky team, everything has to fall into place just right. I also don’t see ND hanging with Bama for 4 qtrs.

  53. irishtn says: Dec 17, 2012 8:54 PM

    Vanderbilt is building a team with Franklin, he is probably going to land a top 15 team, that team is here for the long haul. Yes pitt and standford took them to over time, standfors had already beaten oregon though a good team, pitt no so good but sometimes that happens. Barkley was qb for what 5 losses, so it wasn’t just him.

    By your logic this is a luck thing for both teams and if it comes to that we know the luck of the irish trumps all. Funny your last statement, I agree but I dont see bama hanging with the irish for 4 qtrs. the 7th can’t get here soon enough I would give up new years and xmas if we could play this weekend

  54. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 9:05 PM

    Bama went into the Ga. game beat up and missing key players so the lay off will give us time to get healed up. Playing thru the SEC takes it’s toll on players. The only team ND really whipped was Miami and they are a really bad team. Texas A&M is a good team but they got beat by Florida and (as you call them) a not so good LSU team. I think maybe you are really a Tn.fan and we all know that just like aubarn, Tn. would rather see Bama lose than for Tn. to win. I could be wrong. I’m probably right.

  55. irishtn says: Dec 17, 2012 9:28 PM

    No life long ND fan, I won many lunches off the vols being worse than nd this year. Stanford who beat oregon, miami, usc depending on how you view them. All I am saying is if the top SEC teams played each other fine, you played 1 oe 2 good sec team, 3 fcs teams, 3 really bad sec teams, 2 bad sec teams. Not a great schedule. I have lived through almost 2 decades of bad ND teams or teams that were not as good as advertised, This year nd is real. I don’t think bama is as good as advertised

  56. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 9:46 PM

    The schedules for SEC teams were not made just this year for these teams. We started out with what was thought to be a decent Michigan team and put a whipping on them, LSU is a very good team make no mistakes about it and LSU beat Florida whose only loss was to GA. and Bama beat Ga. more than the score indicated. Bama had about 5000 yds rushing on them. The decent teams ND beat are Stanford and Oklahoma. The big 10 or whatever they are called now is vastly over rated is the reason Ohio St. is undefeated. If ND was in a decent conference they would have a different schedule to play. Do you not believe the SEC is the toughest conference? If Bama beats ND will you believe Bama is the better team or will you blame it on the cheating refs?

  57. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 10:32 PM

    Bama and ND sugar bowl 1973 is on ESPN Classic. I think Bama will get them this time:)))

  58. irishking says: Dec 17, 2012 10:53 PM

    I like Bear Bryant’s hat on that t-shirt. What a legend the Bear was.

  59. vols84 says: Dec 17, 2012 10:57 PM

    Didn’t Jimmy announce his college choice at the CFB Hall of Fame in South Bend and guarantee 4 National titles? Didn’t work out too well, since he’s a backup and coach Weiss coaches at a basketball school.

  60. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 11:04 PM

    In his early to mid years he was tough as nails but I think he lost a little bit of his swagger in the later years. I have people buried in Elmwood cemetery and a few times a year I go there and make sure I drop a few quarters for him. I’ll be sure to drop 4 quarters on christmas because that’s how many quarters I want Bama to win on the 7th. Coach Bryant had a special place in his heart for his players as well as all young people, he was tough at times but he wanted his players to be role models and leave the University of Alabama as a better person.

  61. bengalsstillsuck says: Dec 17, 2012 11:35 PM

    Does sisters fall in this mix or just cousins, remind me not to hook up with any Bama chicks Go OHIO STATE BUCKEYES.

  62. capnfrog says: Dec 17, 2012 11:51 PM

    Did you say GO BUCKEYES? Go where? Ya’ll ain’t going no where. Finally got caught up with, didn’t ya. Be nice if ya could come to the Sugar Bowl again and get that butt whippin again. Bama Chicks would look at you and fall out laughing. HAW HAW HAW

  63. timh1955 says: Dec 18, 2012 12:12 AM

    @808raiderinparadise

    Did you learn how to spell at ND? It’s “your’re” not “your.” Don’t talk about going to family reunions if you aren’t any smarter than you appear to be.

  64. tidebarrister says: Dec 18, 2012 1:27 AM

    Neither Jimmy Clausen nor any Catholic should try to take a shot at Alabama with the ole’ “cousins” line. Remember that the most infamous pedophile in recent history is an Irish Catholic – Does the name Jerry Sandusky ring a bell? How about another Roman Catholic by the name of Joe Paterno? Or what about the numerous scandals involving Roman Catholic priests molesting young boys?

    Catholics should stay far far away from this one, as they’re hands are far too dirty to even try poking fun at anyone else re: sex acts.

    Otherwise it’s Protestants v Pedophiles!

  65. tidebarrister says: Dec 18, 2012 1:40 AM

    Correction. Should have written “their hands . . . .”

  66. grattanstanford says: Dec 18, 2012 5:21 AM

    Hahahaha are you saying ND should be ashamed because Jerry Sandusky? This is getting ridiculous. And ppl are now bringing up Declan and Lizzie from two years ago in order to talk trash.. That’s just bizarre and extremely disrespectful. Look. It’s a shirt that, while possibly insulting to some (is it really that insulting?), is a reaction to all this “BAMA will KILL ND without any doubt no shot for the little Christians from Indiana” talk.
    Have a little respect and please stop calling Brian Kelly a murderer or an ND player a rapist because of some article you read on Huff Post.

  67. grattanstanford says: Dec 18, 2012 5:26 AM

    Like lol @ “ND fans can’t talk because Paterno was catholic” That truly is a gem. When people make “points ” like these I lose faith. Like you’re straight up not making sense.

  68. capnfrog says: Dec 18, 2012 7:59 AM

    Now you know the true meaning of ‘people who live in glass houses shouldn’t get stoned’.

  69. capnfrog says: Dec 18, 2012 8:01 AM

    Or is it, ‘People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”.

  70. normtide says: Dec 18, 2012 8:06 AM

    The funny thing about ND fans is this, they talk much trash, but they can’t take it when the shoes on the other foot. I likes Kelly, he its using the SEC style, but the fact his, he is responsible for a young mans death. I don’t think he meant for it to happen, but it did, on his watch. Also, you say your God’s team, yet you bury your morals when it comes to these young women and their allegations. The conquistadors thought they were doing God’s work as well, but their method was evil. So, don’t bring God in, unless your ready for Him to see the mess you made. Southern people, Alabamians especially, are deeply religious as well. Plus, cousins are for practicing, ;) . Have to admit, its better then practicing on little boys, i.e. the catholic way.

    As for the game, I am bias, but I think Bama has better athletes all over the field. Usually the team with better players win. We also have a proven coach, so that helps. The line in Vegas is set to get even money on both teams, so you can’t pay that much attention. I think it will be a classic, with Bama wearing down the Irish defense in the fourth. HOWEVER, if the SEC must fall, and I doubt it will, but if it must, ND would be the team I hope does it. The Irish are the only team hated as much as SEC teams are. Weird to see B1G fans pulling for the green guys, just another humiliation the SEC is putting them through.

  71. ebrownwareagle says: Dec 18, 2012 8:50 AM

    It’s funny how ND and their fan base snub their nose, held it a little bit higher, and poked their chest out with snobbish laughter at the
    CATHOLICS vs CONVICTS, when playing Miami. “All those (insert adjective) do is make babies and go to jail”, jokes. Now the same with
    CATHOLICS vs COUSINS. “All those (insert adjective), do is screw their cousin and get em pregnant” jokes. And, in their world it’s cool and stat quo. Just fans having fun. Oh but when you start talking about the Priest and Bishops touching up lil alter Boys, and nuns, playing Pocket pool in the pulpit in search of their next victim! “Whoa is me” and the sky start falling! Now you wanna cry foul take y’all ball and go home. HYPOCRISY at it’s FINEST!

  72. normtide says: Dec 18, 2012 8:53 AM

    Ebrown, they my friend, is the legacy of the catholic church

  73. 808raiderinparadise says: Dec 18, 2012 2:43 PM

    timh1955 says:
    Dec 18, 2012 12:12 AM
    @808raiderinparadise

    Did you learn how to spell at ND? It’s “your’re” not “your.” Don’t talk about going to family reunions if you aren’t any smarter than you appear to be.

    ——–

    becuzz in sports blogs i tri to b tha beest spellar posibull

    who cares? YOU, cute.

    THANKS FOR THE GRAMMAR LESSON !!!

  74. normtide says: Dec 18, 2012 3:10 PM

    Just saw a “Pachyderms vs. Pedophiles” shirt. Now that’s an awesome tshirt. Going to bee fun in Miami.

  75. ryanw822 says: Dec 18, 2012 6:17 PM

    I guess “Kelly the Murderer vs Cousins” or “Rapist Cover Up’ers vs Cousins” couldnt fit on a tshirt.

  76. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 18, 2012 11:49 PM

    Why I won’t be cheering for old Notre Dame

    Posted by Melinda Henneberger on December 4, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Well, since you asked — and many of my friends have, some more than once — no, I will not be cheering for my alma mater, the University of Notre Dame, to win big-time college football’s championship on Jan. 7. What’s really surprising me are those who believe as I do that two players on the team have committed serious criminal acts – sexual assault in one case, and rape in another — but assumed that I’d support the team anyway, just as they are.

    “Aren’t you just a little bit excited?” one asked the other day. There are plenty of good guys on the team, too, I’m repeatedly told. And oh, that Manti Te’o is inspiring. I don’t doubt it. But as a thought exercise, how many predators would have to be on the team before you’d no longer feel like cheering?

    Sexual violations of all kinds happen on every campus, I know, and neither man will ever be found guilty in court; one of the victims is dead and the other, according to the Notre Dame student who drove her to the ER afterward, in February 2011, decided to keep her mouth shut at least in part because she’d seen what happened to the first woman. Neither player has ever even been named, and won’t be here, either, since neither was charged with a crime.

    The Department of Education’s civil rights office is well aware of the second case, though; in fact, federal investigators were on campus when it occurred, as part of a seven-month probe into the way Notre Dame handles such reports. And as a result, with its Title IX funding on the line, the university marked the 40th anniversary of coeducation in 2012 by changing the way it investigates sexual assault for the second time in two years.

    Lizzy Seeberg at a tailgate party with her father, brother and friends on Sept. 4, 2010, several days after accusing a Notre Dame football player of sexual assault.
    I’ve spent months researching these cases and written thousands of words in the National Catholic Reporter about the whole shameful situation, some of which you’ve likely heard about: Two years ago, Lizzy Seeberg, a 19-year-old freshman at Saint Mary’s College, across the street from Notre Dame, committed suicide after accusing an ND football player of sexually assaulting her. The friend Lizzy told immediately afterward said she was crying so hard she was having trouble breathing.

    Yet after Lizzy went to the police, a friend of the player’s sent her a series of texts that frightened her as much as anything that had happened in the player’s dorm room. “Don’t do anything you would regret,” one of them said. “Messing with Notre Dame football is a bad idea.”

    At the time of her death, 10 days after reporting the attack to campus police, who have jurisdiction for even the most serious crimes on school property, investigators still had not interviewed the accused. It took them five more days after she died to get around to that, though they investigated Lizzy herself quite thoroughly, even debriefing a former roommate at another school with whom she’d clashed.

    Six months later — after the story had become national news — Notre Dame did convene a closed-door disciplinary hearing. The player testified that until he actually met with police, he hadn’t even known why they wanted to speak to him — though his buddy who’d warned Lizzy not to mess with Notre Dame football had spoken to investigators 13 days earlier. He was found “not responsible,” and never sat out a game.

    My family celebrating with my dad, John Henneberger, Notre Dame Class of ’44, on his birthday, the same day the above photo of Lizzy Seeberg was taken, Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010.

    A few months later, a resident assistant in a Notre Dame dorm drove a freshman to the hospital for a rape exam after receiving an S.O.S. call. “She said she’d been raped by a member of the football team at a party off campus,” the R.A. told me. I also spoke to the R.A.’s parents, who met the young woman that same night, when their daughter brought her to their home after leaving the hospital. They said they saw — and reported to athletic officials — a hailstorm of texts from other players, warning the young woman not to report what had happened: “They were trying to silence this girl,” the R.A.’s father told me. And did; no criminal complaint was ever filed.

    It’s not only what I believe went on at that off-campus party, or in the room of the player Lizzy accused, that makes it impossible for me to support the team, though that would be enough. The problem goes deeper than that, and higher, because the man Lizzy accused had a history of behavior that should have kept him from being recruited in the first place. And as bad in my book as the actions of those young men was the determination of the considerably older men who run N.D. to keep those players on the team in an effort to win some football games.

    Among those being congratulated for our return to gridiron glory is ND’s president, Rev. John Jenkins, who refused to meet with the Seeberg family on advice of counsel, and other school officials who’ve whispered misleadingly in many ears, mine included, in an attempt to protect the school’s brand by smearing a dead 19-year-old.

    (Yes, Lizzy suffered from depression, but according to her therapists was neither “unstable” nor a teller of tales. No, she had never before accused anyone of such a thing. And no, she had never before attempted suicide.)

    At first, officials said privacy laws prevented them from responding. But after some criticism, Jenkins told the South Bend Tribune he’d intentionally kept himself free of any in-depth knowledge of the case, yet was sure it had been handled appropriately.

    The school’s “proof” that Lizzy lied is that she said the player stopped attacking her after receiving a call or a text. Phone records contradict that, showing that it was the player who called a friend rather than the other way around. Case closed, right? Sure, if you don’t think someone in the middle of both a physical and an anxiety attack could possibly be mistaken about whether her assailant stopped to make a call, or take one.

    Joanne Archambault, who ran the San Diego police department’s special victims unit for 10 years and trains cops around the country, told me for my NCR story that because of the way the brain processes information in traumatic situations, victims almost always get some details wrong. Only the phony reports are perfect.

    I have no trouble understanding the many Notre Dame fans who don’t know the facts of these cases. Or even those who tell themselves well, maybe, but innocent until proven guilty, right? Lucky them, I say.

    The alums who mystify me are those who know the real story, believe it, and are giddy still over a winning season that’s at least in part the result of wrong behavior. I did myself a favor recently and unsubscribed from the alumni e-mails touting the school’s good works and asking, “What would you fight for?” (Football?)

    My husband says he continues to be amazed by the depths of my disillusionment; had I really thought they were so much better than this? You bet I did; in fact, Notre Dame isn’t Notre Dame if it isn’t, which might explain why school officials maintain to this day that they’ve done nothing wrong, have never besmirched Miss Seeberg’s memory, and have no idea how so many fans think they know so much about her. (Here’s how: A longtime ND donor I interviewed said a top university official told him straight up that Lizzy had been sexually aggressive with the player rather than the other way around: “She was all over the boy.”)

    Though 13 Seebergs went to Notre Dame and Saint Mary’s before Lizzy, her family is sitting this season out, of course. Yet in their Chicago suburb, football fever runs so high that they, too, regularly field queries from friends about whether they’re excited for the Irish.

    “We just say ‘No, not too excited, really not a big fan any longer,’ ” says Lizzy’s father, Tom Seeberg, who’s remarkably indifferent to the team’s success: “When tragedy rocks you to your core, all the little stuff is stripped away.” And yes, sports fans, there are people who consider football the little stuff. Since Lizzy’s death, Tom and his wife Mary have raised $280,000 in her memory, enough to open the “Lizzy House” for laypeople teaching for free in the Jesuit-run, inner-city Chicago Cristo Rey school where Lizzy volunteered.

    Lizzy’s aunt, Katie Garvey, who met her husband at ND, has come to believe that even if the facts of these cases were “blasted from every news source in the country, the average Notre Dame fan would still find a way to discount it.” Part of her is actually kind of glad for them, that “they don’t have the burden of knowing,” even if “their resistance to knowing is absolutely remarkable.”

    In South Bend, naturally, knowing is particularly burdensome: “I’ve watched almost every game this season and there’s not a single time that I don’t feel extreme anger when I see [the accused] on the field,” said Kaliegh Fields, a Saint Mary’s junior who went with Lizzy to the police station. “Once I start thinking about the people who put the school’s success in a sport over the life of a young woman, I can’t help but feel disgust. Everyone’s always saying how God’s on Notre Dame’s side,” she added. “And I think, ‘How could he be?’ “

    Melinda Henneberger is a Post political writer and anchors the paper’s She the People blog. Follow her on Twitter at @MelindaDC.

    Hardly the Huffington Post.

    I wonder if ND should be investigated and penalized ala PSU.

    ND should be ashamed.

  77. ttalarico says: Dec 19, 2012 12:25 AM

    It sounds as though you know who these players are. If these facts that you state are true and can be proven, why don’t you name names? What do you say amosalosostagg?

  78. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 19, 2012 9:48 AM

    ttalarico,

    I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit. But then, words do get in the way of the cartoon characters you are trying to color when you go to ND. Remember stay between the lines.

    Read the article. I didn’t state I knew the players. It is an article from Melinda Henneberger.
    ND is protecting the players from being accountable for their actions.

    Why not write the actual writer of the article and ask for a follow up article instead of shifting the blame from ND and the kids who raped the girl and then intimidated her to not to “mess with Notre Dame football”.

    Pathetic, ND, just pathetic

    Better yet, why not demand Rev John Jenkins to allow unfettered access to the information? You know that won’t happen because ND has such a “pristine” image to maintain, what with the alumni and donations and a NATIONAL Championship football game to play.

    Maybe I should have football jerseys made for the Alabama football players to wear for the game saying “Remember Lizzy Seeberg”. I bet the Golden Domers would love that exposure on national TV.

  79. ttalarico says: Dec 19, 2012 10:18 AM

    amosalosostagg

    So you don’t personally know that the facts in this article are true? So why do you forward it?

    Sorry I missed the one line that gives credit for the post to Melinda Henneberger. A student in the article states that when she sees the offender on the field, she gets angry. Obviously not angry enough to name names. If she knows the offender, then there has to be others. Why hasn’t anyone come forward and name names? Are they afraid that they will be sued because nothing has been proven?

    I don’t know if this happened, it might have, at least some version of it. Did ND attempt to cover up what happened? I don’t know and neither do you, nor Melinda Henneberger apparently or she would name the offenders.

    All I can say is that I’ve been associated with ND for over 40 years now. I sent my two children there and one of them is a double domer and was an athlete there. In all those years, I have seen nothing but great things from ND and am grateful my children went to school there. Their lives have been so positively affected due to their experiences at Notre Dame.

    What happened was a tragedy and I’m certain that ND will do everything they can to make certain it doesn’t happen again. However, no one can be naive enough to think that a university has absolute control over their students and athletes to guarantee this won’t happen on their campus. All they can do is try. I’m hoping ND and other schools learned from this experience so that no one has to experience this.

  80. capnfrog says: Dec 19, 2012 10:54 AM

    Boy! It didn’t take long for the media to get all over the Duke case.

  81. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 19, 2012 11:45 AM

    @ttalarico

    That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. How many people had been associated with Penn St. for “40 years” and just turned the other way.

    And the article is not alleging that ND could have prevented it…. the article is alleging that ND swept it under the rug, which is worse.

  82. ttalarico says: Dec 19, 2012 12:14 PM

    @8tototexansblog

    If that in fact happened, I agree, it is worse. However, I don’t know and you don’t know it happened. Unfortunately, a person or university is guilty until proven innocent in the media these days. That is the case here. If there is proof that the rug sweeping happened, then heads should roll at ND and I will be the first to demand it.

    But remember, having worked in education for 40 years, I know that a student’s personal information can not be divulged to the general public as it is against privacy laws. Much of the silence in this case is due to that simple fact.

  83. normtide says: Dec 19, 2012 12:32 PM

    The parents agreed to wave her privacy, in an effort to get the truth out. Also, the right to privacy does not continue to ruin after death. But, your right, the university can do little to prevent some things. Also, I am against false accusations that can ruin a young mans life, that runs on par with the crime itself. However, it seems clear that ND did not follow up on the case correctly, for some reason. That is inexcusable. As for names, if anyone releases names without some conviction, lawsuits will fly. Your right, we don’t know what went down, with either case. We should though, even you have to agree with that. The accusations that admins tried to trash this girl, that its beyond despicable. In this day and age, it is hard to fathom that the uni has so few facts.

    Ask yourself this. If this was reported at an SEC school, what would your stance be? I am not asking that any player miss the game. If you ever read my post, you know. I want to beat the best, not the backups. I want ND vs Bama, best vs the best, let the field decide. But, I can’t help but to put myself in this girl’s fathers shoes. The grief and anger must be unfathomable.

  84. ttalarico says: Dec 19, 2012 1:04 PM

    @normtide

    Waving privacy does not wave the university’s nor anyone else’s liability. Anyone can sue anyone else for very little reason these days. I was a principal at a Midwest HS for 16 years and we had the parents sign waiver statements on field trips and other situations. They were meaningless. If there was negligence even suspected, there could be a lawsuit.

    And this has absolutely nothing to do with a football game. I didn’t even think about someone being suspended for the NC game. But if it was a SEC school, I would hope my stance would be no different if the circumstances were the same. I am not an SEC basher nor will I ever bash any conference.

    That being said, may the best team win on Jan. 7th.

  85. lasseter1113 says: Dec 19, 2012 7:59 PM

    @irishtn

    How the hell does playing FCS teams make Alabama no good? You aren’t looking at the whole picture, it’s not about WHO you played, it’s HOW you played against those teams and in EVERY instance where Alabama played a clearly inferior opponent they beat the living daylights out of them. Did you even watch Alabama play any games this year besides Georgia because I did watch over half of ND’s game and I can tell you Alabama clearly has the advantage when it comes to the eye test. Just look at the common opponent Michigan. Alabama had that game won before the first quarter was over and I don’t care if that was the first game of the year for Michigan and they got better like all the ND fans are saying, well guess what? It was the first game of the year for Alabama too with a very very inexperienced secondary and they got better too, WAY WAY better. ND barely, and I mean barely squeaked out a win in that game. I’m not saying ND isn’t a good football team because you guys are, I am just trying to be realistic. Can ND beat Alabama? Yes of course they can, any given Saturday right? I’m just saying that I have tried my best to take my Crimson colored glasses off and step back and look at this match up from an honest neutral perspective as if I have no dog in the fight and every time I do Alabama has the clear advantage in almost every facet of the game. Who cares if Bama played Western Carolina, the only thing that matters about that game is how they did against them and in case you didn’t know it was the same score as the Auburn game the following week, SHUT OUT and BEAT DOWN. Dogs called off at the start of the second half. Just like all the weaker teams and even the medium teams they faced. To judge a team by who they played and not how they played them is just ridiculous. All I am saying if the shoe was on the other foot and I was the ND fan I would be saying, well Alabama has a better chance of winning this game BUT if my guys play their hearts out and don’t make too many mistakes we might just be able to pull of the upset because we have good coaches and talented players on our sidelines just like Bama. I for one can’t wait…

  86. lasseter1113 says: Dec 19, 2012 8:37 PM

    About the stupid tee shirt. I just love the fact that when Alabama fans started coming back with the child molester vs. champions tee shirt ideas the ND fans got all upset. SEE, how does it feel to be stereotyped? Not good huh? It went from, “can’t you take a joke?” to “that’s not true, we aren’t child molesters, that’s not funny”. At first this article made me very mad but about halfway through the comment section I realized this is the best article EVER on CFT. Why you ask? Ammu-freakin-niton!!! BOOM BOOM BOOM!!! I’m not going to get upset anymore about stupid crap like this because it’s a FACT that 99.9% of the residents of the GREAT state of Alabama don’t commit incest. It’s also a FACT that the only reason fans from other schools make these derogatory remarks is because they can’t make fun of anything that the Alabama football team has done because the FACT of the matter is they have done nothing but win for the last four seasons. Correction, they have lost a few times but it took a Heisman trophy winner to make that happen in most cases. Just like it’s a FACT that most of the ND fans aren’t child molesters right? Can’t we all just get along? Priceless….

  87. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 19, 2012 10:30 PM

    ttalaricio, since you’re a proud ND supporter for over 40 years….

    Why haven’t ND alums gone to the President of ND and demand the rapist on the current team playing for the National Championship be dismissed for not holding to ND’s so called higher standards? Is winning so paramount that a young girl is dead because of lack of “institutional control”? or is lust for fame and fortune? Do ND football players get to get away with intimidating witnesses?

    Flush off a dramatic 22-13 victory over USC to extend their unbeaten season and propel them into the BCS College Football Championship Game, number 1 ranked Notre Dame is sky-high right now after being largely irrelevant on the college football scene for the past two decades. ABC’s prime-time coverage Saturday night was filled with stories about the team camaraderie, the inspirational leadership of senior linebacker and Heisman hopeful Manti Te’o, and the emergence of freshman quarterback Everett Golson.

    One story that wasn’t mentioned is reported by Tim Layden in Sports Illustrated (subscribers only) this week:

    The current generation of Notre Dame football will be forever connected-and in a very complex manner-to the lives of Declan Sullivan and Lizzy Seeberg, both of whom died during Brian Kelly’s first season. Sullivan was a 20-year-old junior who worked as a videographer for the football team; he was killed on Oct. 27, 2010, when the portable tower from which he was filming football practice crashed in high winds (after which the practice was not immediately stopped). Seeberg was a 19-year-old freshman at Saint Mary’s College in Notre Dame, Ind.; she accused a Notre Dame football player of assaulting her on Aug. 31, 2010, and 10 days later committed suicide in her dorm room.

    …The aftermath of a loss has not been so satisfying for the Seeberg family. After an interaction with a Notre Dame football player on the night of Aug. 31, Seeberg sent a text message to her therapist that said: “Hey- can we talk in a little bit. I’ve been drinking and something bad happened. I can’t talk right now because I’m kinda in an awkward situation but I’m on my way back to saint mary’s.” Upon returning to her room, Seeberg wrote and signed a description of having been assaulted by a Notre Dame football player in his campus dorm room and gave the paper to Notre Dame’s campus police the next day. Two days after the encounter Seeberg received a text message from a friend of the player, which said: “Don’t do anything you would regret. Messing with notre dame football is a bad idea.”

    Eight days later Seeberg committed suicide by ingesting a lethal dose of medication that had been prescribed to treat depression and anxiety. Notre Dame police didn’t attempt to contact the accused player until nine days after the alleged assault and didn’t reach him until five days after Seeberg’s death. The story of Seeberg’s accusation and death remained largely unreported until the Chicago Tribune broke it in mid-November of that year. On Dec. 16, 2010, the prosecuting attorney for St. Joseph County announced that there would be no charges filed in the case, most pointedly because Seeberg’s written statement would be ruled inadmissible as hearsay, because she is dead. In his first interview on the subject, Lizzy’s father, Tom Seeberg, told the Tribune, “Ultimately, there’s a sense of betrayal.”

    In conversations with SI, Tom Seeberg declined to make further public statements, but it was clear that his outrage has not ebbed. The player accused by Lizzy is still a member of the football team. Rev. John Jenkins, Notre Dame’s president, refused to meet with the Seeberg family, 11 members of which have attended the university (and two others Saint Mary’s). Two years ago, Jenkins made one statement to the South Bend Tribune in which he explained that as the final arbiter of campus discipline he couldn’t meet with the Seebergs because, “I try to remain somewhat distant so I’m not tainted by one side or another presenting their side of the story.” A Notre Dame spokesperson declined further comment this week. The Seeberg case did trigger an investigation by the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights into student-on-student sexual harassment, including sexual violence at Notre Dame, and resulted in significant changes in the ways such incidents are handled by the university.

    On the first Saturday in November, Tom Seeberg found himself watching part of Notre Dame’s comeback victory over Pittsburgh with his son, the first time they have watched a game since Lizzy’s death. He was not enthralled by the victory and no longer charmed by the traditions. His son once had a PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION poster, but that’s been taken down. Here, as the cameras focused on students singing Notre Dame’s alma mater, he felt himself tearing up, knowing that his girl would have been sitting in the seats. But instead she was gone.

    So how is it that the unnamed player is still on the team? Another section of the story – though it doesn’t address the topic directly – explains a change in the relationship between student athletes and the university.

    Generations of Notre Dame students, including football players, have lived by the rules laid down in a booklet (and now a Web page) called du Lac: A Guide to Student Life. Hence, when fifth-year senior fullback Rashon Powers-Neal was arrested for DUI in the fall of 2005, du Lac mandated that he be suspended from all extracurricular activities, including intercollegiate athletics. Weis had no say in the decision. Three years later Weis lost tight end Will Yeatman, who was arrested for suspicion of underage drinking, resisting arrest and providing false information in a raid at an off-campus party that nabbed 37 Notre Dame students, including 22 athletes. (The charges were dismissed against Yeatman, who had previously pled guilty to DUI. He transferred to Maryland and now plays for the Dolphins.)

    Upon leaving Notre Dame, Weis did an interview with a small group of selected media in which he said, in response to a question about the biggest problem on Notre Dame’s campus, “Oh, it’s Residence Life [the disciplinary branch of the school's student affairs office]. It’s not even close for second…. I just think these are college kids, and college kids do what college kids do. Let’s say a kid has been too loud because he had some alcohol, why wouldn’t you just tell him to go to bed? … I’m just saying boys will be boys, and I’m just defending them.” (Weis never specifically said that he was talking about football players, but he was the football coach.)

    More quietly, in the summer of 2010 Notre Dame dismissed associate vice president for residence life Bill Kirk, who for more than two decades had been du Lac ‘s enforcer. Kirk’s leaving was seen by some in the Notre Dame community as a capitulation to the departed Weis’s clamor for softer discipline. Philosophy associate professor David Solomon, who has taught at the school since 1968 and was the director of Notre Dame’s Center for Ethics and Culture, wrote a 2,000-word post on the online newspaper The Irish Rover, in which he said that football fans, “… frequently charge that Bill Kirk’s enforcement of Notre Dame’s disciplinary code was too harsh and that his insistence that Notre Dame athletes be subject to the same rules as other Notre Dame students was responsible for our repeated failures on the athletic fields.” And also this: “In a summer in which all Domers were celebrating the distance between our oversight of athletics and the disorderly mess at USC, this incident [Kirk's exit] raised questions about just how different we really are.”

    …The changes became evident when wide receiver Michael Floyd was arrested for drunken driving in the spring of 2011, before his final season at Notre Dame. It was Floyd’s third alcohol-related offense during his college career, yet his discipline was handled by Kelly, and Floyd did not miss a game. “With Michael Floyd,” says Kelly, “I was the beneficiary of the student code of conduct being updated. Residential Life is going to be the final authority, but changes to du Lac kept Michael in the university, which then allowed me to discipline him to the level that [I deemed]was appropriate.

    Kirk’s departure in the summer of 2010, before the death of Elizabeth “Lizzy” Seeburg probably explains how the player was never punished.

    With the Jerry Sandusky scandal still fresh in people’s minds, there may be a feeling that seeing Notre Dame playing in the BCS Championship game (their opponent will probably be the winner of the SEC Championship game) is some sort of vindication for clean, high-minded programs. Other’s may think that this Notre Dame team is following in the footsteps of Knute Rockne, Ara Parseghian, Lou Holtz’s “Do It the Right Way” approach to football at Notre Dame.

    Wrong on both counts.

    Notre Dame sold its soul for this title shot. That puts them right there in company of Penn State, another “clean” program who sold their soul for wins.

    Penn State just did it longer…

    ND and Jenkins should be ashamed. The only reason Jenkins is “distant” to the incident is to provide “plausible deniability” should the question “what did you know and when did you know it”?”
    ever be asked. Jenkins will promptly refer any inquiries to ND legal counsel,

    Pathetic.

  88. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 21, 2012 7:54 PM

    A county prosecutor said Thursday that he will not charge a University of Notre Dame football player Prince Shembo in an alleged sexual battery case, in part because the woman committed suicide, making her statements to campus police inadmissible in court.

    As the prosecutor announced his findings, the US Department of Education confirmed that it had begun making its own preliminary inquiries into the case of Elizabeth “Lizzy” Seeberg but had not yet launched a full-fledged investigation. Seeberg, a freshman at neighboring St. Mary’s College, killed herself nine days after reporting the alleged attack to police and eight days after receiving a text message from the phone of the player’s friend that cautioned her about “messing with” the storied football program. Notre Dame said in a written statement that it is working with the Department of Education on “an overall review of our policies that is unrelated to any specific investigation. ” St. Joseph County Prosecutor Michael Dvorak said his office spent a month reviewing the Seeberg case, and had met with Seeberg’s parents, before reaching a decision. The office looked at case law surrounding the admissibility of hearsay evidence before declining to press charges, he said.

    Gee, I wonder where Saint Joseph County is located? Think Notre Dame’s name was presented in any manner to the DA? Nah, ND is the shining example of ethics, aren’t they? Explain how could a college football player could have a top plaintiff attorney from the City of Chicago who happens to be a ND alumnus represent him pro bono? How did the the alum just happen to have the investigation results forward to him to represent the football player?

    No quid pro quo here. ND should be ashamed.

  89. kwhey says: Dec 22, 2012 12:39 PM

    Jimmy who? Are we talking about somebody who is relevant?

  90. tigersgeaux says: Dec 23, 2012 7:46 AM

    amosalonzostagg:

    Thank you for posting the details and info. Even Irish apologists should be ashamed at the ND administration and handling of these matters.

    A ND alum and now a featured writer for a (I think DC paper) wrote a feature in which she said she could not support ND in the upcoming game because of their habitual and entrenched poor handling and coverup of sexual abuse of women. Sounds similar to what the Catholic church did with child abuse cases featuring priests in south Louisiana and around the country.

    Make the t-shirts should be “Women abusers and Child rapists v. national champions”?

  91. brutusbuckeye2011 says: Dec 23, 2012 11:08 AM

    @ tigersgeaux:
    The fact that the featured writer in question works for what you think is a DC paper should give you some idea as to what part of the political spectrum she belongs. I suspect that she sits there wearing her “code pink” t-shirt while she writes anti-catholic, anti-military and anti everything not considered liberal.

  92. normtide says: Dec 23, 2012 11:17 AM

    Iirc, the author graduated from ND. Hard for me to take that as anti-catholic.

    Great post tigers. As I said, if this went down at an SEC school, would all these posts change?

  93. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 23, 2012 2:58 PM

    BrutusBuckeye

    It doesn’t matter the political persuasion.

    Melinda Henneberger is an alumnus of ND.

    The Seebergs had 13 family members attend ND or St. Mary’s, lose a family member in very dubious circumstance, and the President of ND won’t meet with them on advise of ND legal counsel?

    Explain why a senior university administrator @ ND inform a well heeled alumni that “She was all over the boy?” Protecting the brand, maybe? What facts did he have that made him say that to an alumnus?

    ND should be ashamed of the cover up, but then again, Boys will be boys like Charlie Weis said.

    Pathetic ND, Pathetic.

  94. amosalanzostagg says: Dec 23, 2012 3:16 PM

    Normtide,

    You and I both know that if this happened @ Alabama, ND supporters would be assuming their usual holier than thou, sanctimonious attitude and telling people how backward the South is and that the event would NEVER happen at Notre Dame.

    ND is nothing but pathetic, and no amount of chest thumping about the return of the Irish to the national stage will salve what ND has done.

    I wonder what the ND response would be if a chant of “Rapist” is said every time Prince Shembo is on the field during the National Championship game?

    Rightful indignation on a wrongly accused football player who ND protected and covered for?

    Or shame?

    I seriously doubt ND has a conscience as long as the team is winning.

  95. kozbee says: Dec 24, 2012 4:18 PM

    Gonna be a fun game to watch but can ND stand up to the OL and DL of Bama,that will be the test to if ND can win.

  96. weecah says: Jan 5, 2013 12:29 PM

    The arrogance of some Catholics is just disgusting.

    How about this for a t-shirt:

    Farmers
    “we reap what we sow”

    vs.

    Pedophile Priests and Popes
    “we rape and we blow”

  97. brutusbuckeye2011 says: Jan 5, 2013 1:25 PM

    @ weecah:
    No more so than the arrogance of some Non-Catholics like you!

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