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See ya, Sooners: A&M, Manziel roll Oklahoma in Cotton Bowl

Texas A&M quarterback Manziel carries the ball as University of Oklahoma linebacker Wort and defensive end Ndulue pursue during the first half of the Cotton Bowl Classic NCAA football game in Arlington, Texas AP

It’s been a busy few weeks for Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel. Trips to the late night talk show circuit, meeting celebrities and finally coming out of A&M’s media shell could have been enough to distract the redshirt freshman from Friday night’s Cotton Bowl against Oklahoma.

Instead, showing maturity beyond his years, Manziel looked just like the player that earned the Heisman the month before. Manziel accounted for 287 passing yards, 229 rushing yards (a bowl record for a quarterback) and four touchdowns as the No. 10 Aggies handed No. 12 Oklahoma a Texas-sized beating in the Cotton Bowl, 41-13.

But it wasn’t just Manziel who had a big day. Senior receiver Ryan Swope finished with 104 yards and a score, playing the second half after apparently rolling his ankle. And, of course, A&M’s offensive line deserves credit for giving its quarterback ample time to throw, and when there were simply no opportunities downfield, run. The Sooners had no answer for any of it.

O-line play was a major reason A&M finished with 633 yards, a Cotton Bowl record. The Aggies concluded the 2012 season as the first SEC team with over 7,000 yards of offense and Manziel finished with over 5,000 yards. It won’t get as much attention as the offense, but A&M’s defense held too when it mattered most. Oklahoma had two early chances to score touchdowns inside the 10-yard line and had to settle for field goals both times.

Not bad for the SEC rookies.

The Cotton Bowl win brings to mind A&M’s first appearance during SEC media days this summer. First-year coach Kevin Sumlin was asked repeatedly about what he thought life was going to be like in the SEC with an undertone indicating that the Aggies would be in for a bloody debacle resulting, at absolute best, in five or six wins.

How’d that work out? A&M has surpassed just about every expectation this year except its own. Then, the Aggies came back and beat the co-champions of their former conference. It’s a disappointing end for the career of Sooners quarterback Landry Jones and another tough bowl loss for Bob Stoops, once known for his record in big games.

Although too much is often made of bowl games for better or worse, the Aggies will undoubtedly be near the top of a few more preseason polls heading into the 2013 season and Manziel will be an early favorite to repeat as Heisman winner.

That’s a good eight months away and plenty can happen in a year. For one, A&M’s O-line — the same one that allowed Manziel to do anything he wanted tonight — will be replacing key starters, but the talent and the coaching is there. With some good fortune,  A&M will have the chance to eye bigger goals.

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77 Responses to “See ya, Sooners: A&M, Manziel roll Oklahoma in Cotton Bowl”
  1. normtide says: Jan 5, 2013 12:22 AM

    Awesome job aggies, proud to have you on the family. As Texas stays put with Brown, A&M is on the rise.

  2. Deb says: Jan 5, 2013 12:23 AM

    Congrats to the Aggies!!!!! Have been catching up on other threads and apparently some Big 12 fans need reminding, but this is a victory for the SEC. Way to go Texas A&M!! 😀

  3. ningenito78 says: Jan 5, 2013 12:32 AM

    Sumlin didn’t get enough credit this year. He did a hell of a job. Somebody helped coach Manziel into a super freak. Just one to remember tonight. Well done Aggies.

  4. mjrcu says: Jan 5, 2013 12:35 AM

    Texas A&M won this game…not the SEC. Not every single game is a win or a loss for a conference. You cant just pick and choose beating OU and ignore losses to Northwestern and Louisville.
    A&M won this game, Miss St. and Florida lost those…simple as that

  5. ironmike778 says: Jan 5, 2013 12:40 AM

    Holy ccw was Manziel awesome. That kid is gonna own college football the next 2 years.

  6. johnclaytonsponytail says: Jan 5, 2013 12:43 AM

    Mjrcu…… Till they lose. And then it’s a loss for the SEC. Riiiiigggghht

  7. Slim Charles says: Jan 5, 2013 12:44 AM

    thank god the SEC got some new blood in the conference or it would just be Bama and a bunch of crap teams.

  8. johnclaytonsponytail says: Jan 5, 2013 12:47 AM

    I’m proud of A&M and how they showed up this year. And a lil bit proud that LSU kept this kid in check. Gonna be a good year for the SEC next year!!! Geaux Tigers!!!

  9. dgbk says: Jan 5, 2013 12:48 AM

    Did Ou from that well balanced super conference called big 12…. lose to an overrated Sec team or an overrated ex big12 team hmmmmm??

  10. amosalanzostagg says: Jan 5, 2013 12:52 AM

    I have a storied history with both A&M and with A-la-bam-ah(Keith Jackson voice). I was at the Cotton Bowl when Bear lifted Gene Stallings into the air after the student beat the teacher. Since then business and travel allowed me to see far too many college football games all across the nation. From John McKay at USC to Bo and Woody, To Rip Engle’s last year at Penn State to Joe Pa, Chuck Fairbanks and Bob Devaney. Charlie Mclendon and Galen Hall. Shug Jordan, Bear…….almost too many to remember and too few to forget.

    It always comes back to the SEC. Yes, games in Madison and Ann Arbor are great, same with USC with Charles White in LA, but

    You cannot compare with football Saturdays in an SEC town, period. Maybe it’s because of the Southern States rehabilitation after the War of Succession (as Southerners like to call it), it gave the South something to rally around and call it their own.

    The SEC may gouge each other eyes out in an Alabama Auburn football game or sucker punch each other in an Ole Miss Miss st game, but have someone north of the Mason Dixon line take an SEC brother on, well, it’s refighting the Civil War all
    over again.

    I had the distinct pleasure of seeing Texas A&M up close and personal for the A&M LSU football game, and even though I was wearing an Alabama polo, the fans and supporters of Texas A&M were very gracious and very hospitable to me and my guests.
    When told that by some friends that I would be hosting a gathering for the Junction Boys the night before the Alabama A&M football game, the new friends with A&M
    asked if they could contribute in some small way. The outpouring was very genuine and very sincere. That touch me, big time.

    When A&M beat Alabama, it was with the pride of a big brother that see his younger, smaller brother in a different light. This is what being from the SEC is about, We may
    HATE each other on particular Saturdays in the fall, but when it all comes down, we are a family.

    One of the newer family members did us proud this year, Congratulations to Texas A&M, “You done good!” I look forward to seeing A&M in September when we kick their a@@ (Just kidding……NOT! This is SEC Football, dammit! LOL)

  11. johnclaytonsponytail says: Jan 5, 2013 1:18 AM

    ^^^It’s sounds crazy but its so true. Well put. ^^^^

  12. strauhal says: Jan 5, 2013 1:21 AM

    Amosalanzostagg: your post was almost as long as your username: but it was very entertaining to read. Thanks for sharing.

    And it explains a lot. There is part of the southern US population that has no memory of north and south and then there is a portion that absolutely is defined by this haunting memory from the 1860’s. The portion that remembers seems to have this uber-deep need to be competitively better than other parts of the country. Almost like it defines them. And the SEC is almost like the epitome of this hidden agenda. The pac12 is not better because of Stanford or Oregon because the pac12 is only a conceptual idea. It’s not an actual team. The same is true for the SEC. PAC 12 fans seem to get this. SEC fans in general do not. every year there are teams that struggle to wins s their are teams that go nearly unbeaten from every conference, REGARDLESS OF THEIR CONFERENCE.

    Ultimately, as in the NFL, the whole enchilada could be won by any of the 120 FBS teams. So I am empathetic to SEC fans regarding the civil war but not about their superiority attitudes. For the later I saw screw you and go ducks.

  13. ningenito78 says: Jan 5, 2013 1:28 AM

    So what you’re saying is us yankees just don’t get them rednecks? Is it really that personal? Because that explains a lot…

  14. normtide says: Jan 5, 2013 1:30 AM

    I understand you so not see things the way SEC fans do, I say to each his own. But, we see the way we do things is working. We stand together, respect each other. We also are bitter rivals with each other. Those intense emotions drive our programs. You can’t argue with the results.

  15. houndofthebaskervols says: Jan 5, 2013 1:34 AM

    Manziel was ridiculous, I dont know what else to say about that performance.

  16. larrybrown43 says: Jan 5, 2013 1:40 AM

    Does Oklahoma ever win a big game? Jeez!

  17. whatchutalkinboutwillis says: Jan 5, 2013 1:56 AM

    I had the pleasure of attending the Alabama/A&M game this season. It was one of the best college games I’ve ever been to. It sucked when Bama lost, but I still enjoyed the game. After all, isn’t that what the sport is about, being able to simply enjoy it?

    Manziel is a beast, to say the least. He’s amazing to watch. It’s going to be interesting to see how the rest of his college (and eventual NFL) career plays out.

    *Happy New Year to everyone by the way!*

  18. barbeaux says: Jan 5, 2013 1:58 AM

    I laugh at people that don’t understand why SEC fans support other SEC teams in bowl games. We just do. One main reason is that the whole conference benefits when a team wins a BCS game. I don’t know why that’s so hard to understand…they win and we get something too.

    Anyhow, just think how exciting an 8 or 16 game playoff would’ve been this year.

  19. v2the4 says: Jan 5, 2013 2:09 AM

    barbeaux…how did Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee benefit from Alabama’s win over LSU last season?

  20. overratedgators says: Jan 5, 2013 2:53 AM

    As another CFT poster so eloquently stated, SEC fan logic works thusly:

    –When another SEC team wins, it’s all about how great “we” are.
    –When another SEC team loses, suddenly it’s about how bad “they” are.

    Didn’t hear too many SEC homers piping up the other night to eat crow over how bad the “SEC” was against Louisville, but suddenly I’m hearing a lot of those same homers piping up to talk about how strong the “SEC” was against Oklahoma.

  21. billmead1976 says: Jan 5, 2013 2:57 AM

    Great season by A&M. Congrats to them. I bet they could hang with Oregon, beat Notre Dame and beat Alabama again.

    Sooner fans, riddle me this?

    Which loss hurts the most?

    2005 Orange Bowl butt whip against USC?
    2007 Fiesta Bowl shocker against Boise State?
    2013 Cotton Bowl thrashing against A&M?

  22. txnative61 says: Jan 5, 2013 3:08 AM

    Strong play in the trenches being necessary to success in the SEC, it was good of you to notice the Aggies O line. NFL Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews’ son Jake isn’t even the best of them. Gig em. As for LSU, take away a few ill timed interceptions and—things might have been different, but not to quibble—Clemson? Really? The Aggies kept playing after Bama, and I know you remember THAT game! Thanks for the assist.

  23. v2the4 says: Jan 5, 2013 3:15 AM

    dont forget the 2008 BCS loss to Florida

    and the 2004 BCS loss to LSU..

    for all practical purposes, OU only to win one game in the regular season in the last decade, vs Texas, to assure itself of a BCS bowl game…

    and while they have made it to 9 BCS games, Stoops has only three wins (vs Florida St, vs Washington St, vs UConn) and six losses (vs LSU, vs USC, vs Boise St, vs West Virginia, vs Florida, vs Texas A&M)

  24. v2the4 says: Jan 5, 2013 3:15 AM

    forgot, the Cotton Bowl is not a BCS bowl, but it should stoops is 3-5 in bcs bowls

  25. louhudson23 says: Jan 5, 2013 3:16 AM

    Plenty of SEC fans owned up to the losses. In fact, it was hilarious to many that (up to that point) they were at .500 in this Bowl season and so many people were crowing as if they whiffed. Add another win now with two more games to go and yet another National Championship at stake…..jealousy is a helluva drug….
    Roll Tide…

  26. v2the4 says: Jan 5, 2013 3:18 AM


    one thing you can say about Mike Sherman was the man knew how to recruit….A&M had talent all over the field, but they just couldnt hold on to leads the last two seasons…imagine if they would have held on to 2 of those 6 leads they lost last year? Sherman would still be the coach, and his handpicked QB, Matt Davis, would probably be in front of Manzell on the depth chart

  27. goodfieldnohit says: Jan 5, 2013 3:30 AM

    I’m an Aggie, class of ’81. Season ticket holder since then. I was in Kyle Field in 1967 at the age of 10 when Ed Hargett hit Bob Long with the 86 yard TD pass and Charlie Riggs FG hit the cross bar and bounced over to beat tu 10-7. I was in Dallas when

    Tonight, from section 440, row 30 (the very top row of the Death Star), this was the most satisfying A&M football game in my lifetime.

    A&M could play OU 10 more times and the result would still be the same. I don’t wanna play woulda shoulda coulda, but I have no doubt that A&M can play with any of the 5 teams that will finish above them in the polls.

    I am damned proud of my team. Spencer Nealy, J Stew, Porter, EZ, Swope (mancrush), Dustin Harris, Pat Lewis, Kenric McNeal. Everybody talks about Johnny Football, but the seniors on this team make me proud. Without them, this team is nothing.

    Oh yeah, it was kind of fun to yell S-E-C, S-E-C with 7 minutes left in the game.


  28. txnative61 says: Jan 5, 2013 3:34 AM

    The Redneck SEC still fighting the Civil War angle wears a bit thin considering the irony of a rather large number of players descended from freed slaves. There is considerable regional pride behind EVERY conference, but the SEC has had more recent success.

  29. goodfieldnohit says: Jan 5, 2013 3:37 AM

    Oh, and piss on you texas longhorns.

    You are scared to play anyone on an even playing field.

    So long to the orange and the white indeed.

    You are yesterday’s news.

  30. goodfieldnohit says: Jan 5, 2013 3:52 AM

    Oh, and the crappy OU cannon fireworks that they shot off with every kickoff, punt, running play, etc, should be outlawed.

    That’s lame. I saw medics get called to administer aid to an OU fan that I can only surmise had a heart attack after their own idiotic nonsensical fireworks crap.

    This crap needs to stop.

  31. foreverlsu says: Jan 5, 2013 3:55 AM

    mjrcu says:
    Jan 5, 2013 12:35 AM
    Texas A&M won this game…not the SEC. Not every single game is a win or a loss for a conference. You cant just pick and choose beating OU and ignore losses to Northwestern and Louisville.
    A&M won this game, Miss St. and Florida lost those…simple as that
    That’s hilarious! And YOU can’t “just pick and choose” the losses and ignore the wins over Oklahoma, Michigan, and Nebraska. Notre Dame will be included in that list soon enough!

    SEC could easily end up 6-3 in bowls. None of you SEC haters are beating your chest or even mentioning your conference but jump on every SEC loss. Congratulations, ACC, you beat LSU for the first time in 20 tries! Congratulations, Big East, you beat Florida as you turn the lights out on your conference. SEC #4 just beat Big 12 #2! What conference is better this year?


  32. txnative61 says: Jan 5, 2013 4:04 AM

    Hey goodfieldnohit! I was at that 67 game too. Hard to top a victory over the “tea sippers”. Last night reminded me of the days the Cotton Bowl belonged to the Southwest Conference Champ who regularly thrashed the visitor from the ol Big 8.

  33. johnclaytonsponytail says: Jan 5, 2013 4:28 AM

    It boggles me to listen to the rhetoric about the past and the feud between the South and other parts of the nation. With all the backwoods, one toothed, cousin impregnating, uneducated, trailer living, sister sleeping, racist, redneck insults we endure on a daily basis from others around the nation I would say we almost have to unite to fight off the bigotry. I for one am from NOLA and seem to have to prove ourselves over and over again what kind of people we are perceived to be. Maybe if others would have an open mind to others culture and way of living then we wouldnt have to stand behind each other and root for the same conference in sake of the pride of southerns around the nation. While I have a certain amount of distain towards Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Florida, thats been instilled in me since I was a baby, I cant help but have pride in what we have accomplished together in making one special and powerful conference. Football is a game and its anyones to win as soon as the whistle starts but the proofs in the pudding even before the BCS was created. The envy is only evidence. Geaux Tigers!!!

  34. metitometin says: Jan 5, 2013 5:40 AM

    I think we have our Co #1 teams in Oregon and A&M. Doesn’t really matter what happens with Alabama and Notre Dame. Oregon and A&M are both worthy of #1 right now. A&M beat Bama and Oregon’s loss was much less ugly than Alabama’s loss. ESPN can hype up Alabama Notre Dame as much as they want but I think we’ve found our #1 teams.

  35. alligatorsnapper says: Jan 5, 2013 5:59 AM

    Coach Sumerlin is responsible for Manziel’s maturity, having confronted him in the spring and motivated him. I did not see A&M grow tired in the fourth quarter and lose the game. Sumerlin had the team prepared this season. It is all good. Congrats to A&M, Coach Sumerlin, Johnny Manziel and team! Maybe we are spared the insufferable wind from Oklahoma fans for a least a few months. Next to eliminate the swagger and NBC bias for Notre Dame.

    The win of LSU against A&M at their stadium looks even more impressive now. Clowney is the best defensive player in college football as promoted by the talking heads. If that is true, then LSU’s stopping of Clowney all night by “the old man” of the LSU offensive line is even more impressive. LSU had a few high spots in the season this year, amidst the large amounts of injuries, loss of its most celebrated player, and often abyssmal offensive production.

    Only one correction…I have never heard of the “War of Succession” but have heard of the “War of Northern Agresssion.” You know that is when a group attacks you for having something you had, while wanting to keep the South as a colony as Britain did for the original 13, sparking the Revolution.

  36. tg1896 says: Jan 5, 2013 6:25 AM

    Good lord! I thought this was about football. Instead we’re reigninitng the Civil War, the War of Northern Aggression, the War of Secession…….whatever.

    Can’t we all just get along?

  37. woebegong says: Jan 5, 2013 7:20 AM

    That kid is a smaller version of Tebow, or at least like he was in college. Very hard to get a solid hit on, but he is faster and actually throws a little better. Having Texas A&M has further bolstered the strength of the conference and it was a good win.

  38. chiefagc5675 says: Jan 5, 2013 7:35 AM

    SEC fans are just the biggest pile of rednecks in this country. Add their brains together and you still have a halfwit- very few football players graduate in the SEC- their IQ’s are about the same as their time in the 40 either 44 or 45

  39. BrownsTown says: Jan 5, 2013 7:38 AM

    That Lincoln really screwed things up…..should’ve let ’em leave. Greatest president, my ass!

  40. foreverlsu says: Jan 5, 2013 8:01 AM

    chiefagc5675 says:
    Jan 5, 2013 7:35 AM
    SEC fans are just the biggest pile of rednecks in this country. Add their brains together and you still have a halfwit- very few football players graduate in the SEC- their IQ’s are about the same as their time in the 40 either 44 or 45

    Wow! That post is just oozing with intelligence. What conference do you represent?

  41. foreverlsu says: Jan 5, 2013 8:06 AM

    metitometin says:
    Jan 5, 2013 5:40 AM
    I think we have our Co #1 teams in Oregon and A&M. Doesn’t really matter what happens with Alabama and Notre Dame. Oregon and A&M are both worthy of #1 right now.

    Glad you don’t have a vote. A&M has two losses and is not worthy. We’ve seen what happens when Oregon faces an SEC defense. Interested to see what ND does but got a feeling it won’t be pretty.

  42. foreverlsu says: Jan 5, 2013 8:10 AM

    Slim Charles says:
    Jan 5, 2013 12:44 AM
    thank god the SEC got some new blood in the conference or it would just be Bama and a bunch of crap teams.

    Really? When the SEC goes 6-3, what will be your angle then? What conference do you represent?

    S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C!

  43. woebegong says: Jan 5, 2013 8:12 AM

    Pretty sour attack on southerners but it is to be expected, as the dominance of football teams from the south, still marches on.
    The term redneck refers to a person that is a farmer and out in the sun all, day, and thus his neck gets red. Trying to use that term to insult a group of people from one region simply puts your ignorance on display, and shows you know very little about southern history, the SEC, and suffer from envy of the SEC and the south all together.
    I guess if you can’t win football games on the field, you have to revert to some facts that you obviously have done little research on, so that you can think your insults will have some type of meaning. The article is about football, and obviously, whatever team you support, has recently gotten it’s butt handed to them by a southern team. Learn to live with it. Football has a long and storied tradition in the south, and it will remain as such, no matter the amount of insults, you might try and hurl at people of southern origin.
    Take a look at the rosters of a lot of SEC teams and you will be surprised at the amount of kids from the North, that are on some of the SEC teams. Why do you suppose that is?

  44. pastabelly says: Jan 5, 2013 8:28 AM

    I really dislike Notre Dame and yet find myself actually rooting for them as an underdog against any SEC team. Sheesh, even Vanderbilt or Tennessee.

  45. fracdj says: Jan 5, 2013 8:57 AM

    What amazes me about all this is that people on these boards speak as though they are members of conferences. If you didn’t play college football, you are not a member of a football conference, so delete the pronoun, “we”. They are all hardworking atheletes who you enjoy rooting for.
    I know people have pride for their team, but realize you are a fan, not a player.

    — Happy New Year!

  46. txnative61 says: Jan 5, 2013 9:00 AM

    I have lived and traveled throughout the US, and there is a reason many African-Americans choose to remain, and represent the SEC on the football field. Back to the Civil Rights movement, southern racism is out in the open and easy to identify. With many small towns and communities the races live in close proximity, and share common interests in foods, gardening, lifestyle, and values. No question there’s tension, but honest interracial friendships abound within widely understood limits. Elsewhere racists profess equanimity, so long as its not their job or housing edition, school, or daughter, so friendships are harder to judge as genuine. If football brings pride and opportunity to Southern Blacks, I don’t see the problem, unless there is racism involved elsewhere.

  47. cometkazie says: Jan 5, 2013 9:00 AM

    633 yards! Now that is a statement.

    Me, I rooted for Louisville after a couple of really cheap shots by the Gators. They were the classier, and better, team.

  48. scalpemseminoles says: Jan 5, 2013 9:48 AM

    I think it’s funny Texas a&m fans who played their first year in the sec were waving sec flags at the game. That proves all the “sec bandwagon” people right but also proves the “a&m is good” people right.

    That said, Bridgewater > manziel

  49. artisan3m says: Jan 5, 2013 10:24 AM

    To be honest, I was one of the ‘5-max wins’ crowd when A&M bolted to the SEC. New coach, new conference, unproven QB, and a history of fading in the second half. While Manziel gets the headlines (and deserves them), the real hero at Aggieland is coach Kevin Sumlin. What a masterful job of building a program in just a few months and watching it improve every week. I didn’t give him a chance and he proved me and a lot of people totally wrong. Congratulations, Aggies. You’ve had a helluva year.

  50. blueglaze says: Jan 5, 2013 10:32 AM

    “Biggest pile of rednecks”.. Says the person with “fag” in their username….

  51. thefiesty1 says: Jan 5, 2013 10:36 AM

    And Mack Brown says…. He’s not good enough to play QB for Texas! NOT!

  52. blueglaze says: Jan 5, 2013 11:10 AM

    @ Scalpem’
    Seminole fans have nothing better to do than try to insult the SEC. Umm… Bridge water is not better than manziel. Your logic is just straight silly. Typical naive, ENVIOUS..Seminole fan:)

  53. blueglaze says: Jan 5, 2013 11:14 AM

    Also, It doesn’t prove crap about this “SEC Bandwagon” idea. Just that our teams are proud to be apart of the SEC. Y’all just wish u could leave the embarrassing ACC.

  54. nofunleague says: Jan 5, 2013 11:54 AM

    Oklahoma and the Gators should bring their real teams next time. What a pleasure it was to see them both get stomped. Better luck next time girls.

  55. blueglaze says: Jan 5, 2013 12:02 PM

    Nofunleague….another name for ACC…

  56. barbeaux says: Jan 5, 2013 12:05 PM

    @v2the4, from a bowl money payout perspective those other teams didn’t care who won the BCS between Bama and LSU. However, did they want both in the BCS championship game? Yes. Why? Let’s see…the BCS championship and other BCS bowls give payouts to each conference. The winning team gets a big portion, and the conference gets a portion that it splits amongst the other teams in the conference. The same is done for the losing team and losing conference but in smaller amounts. Therefore, when auburn beat Oregon, SEC fans pulled for Auburn because they’d get more money if auburn won. When it came to a question of whether or not to have LSU face Bama of course they wanted both in cause the conference and schools would get even more money. All things being equal in that one case it fell down to rivalry and who liked who.

    The other thing to consider is recruiting. You want to be able to tell a recruit that your in the conference that does well against other conferences. In order for that to hold water then you’d want the teams in your conference to win bowl games even if they’re your rival. Why do you think the SEC has the recruiting draw that it does???

  57. woebegong says: Jan 5, 2013 12:06 PM

    As pertains to the Gators and Aggies, does the score 20-17, mean anything to you? As far as Oklahoma goes, was anything different this year than it has been for a few years when they face a good bowl game opponent?
    Almost, any if not all, teams can beat another team, if they have the right talent and in the case of Louisville, beat you, if you get out coached. Louisville had a QB, and the gators are still hunting for one. Very simple really. The A&M QB simply put on a clinic and Oklahoma did not have an answer. Most teams wouldn’t have done a whole lot better against him where they in that same position. He is a smaller, but faster version of Tebow. I don’t know if he will do any better in the NFL, if he gets there than Tebow, but I think he will set a few records as a college player.
    Don’t let your hate for the SEC reflect so poorly in your remarks, because it doesn’t get your point across, other than to indicate, deep down inside you are envious of the SEC and it’s success.

  58. gamustangdude says: Jan 5, 2013 12:12 PM

    I made a similar post earlier on another thread, seems like anti-SEC fans like to be hypocritical. We’re only considered the “SEC” when an SEC team loses. However, when an SEC team wins, it wasn’t the “SEC” that won, just that team. I’ll admit that the SEC didn’t “win” this game, A&M did. However, what you can’t argue is that this is a great win for the SEC. And more often than not, this is what a lot of fans refer to when chanting SEC SEC SEC, after a win. Any win by an SEC teams looks good for the conference. Just as any lose looks bad. It just so happens we win more often than lose. This again, was a great win for the SEC. It introduces another great SEC team on a national stage and, If nothing else, it gives the haters something else to grind their teeth about. You not only have to worry about Alabama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, carrying the conference. Now you have newcomers A&M and up and coming Vandy providing some support as well. SEC is 4-3 with two games left. I didn’t think A&M would do so well their first year. I and many other honestly thought Mizzou would have a better first year than A&M. Will A&M have the same success next year? Only if Manziel has the same typr of production. If defenses catch on and learn how to stop him over the summer, then I don’t see Texas A&M repeating their success. I still think LSU and Alabama will be the top dogs in the West and maybe South Carolina and Florida in the East. UGA has to many unknowns right now. Either way hope Ole Miss and Alabama continue to make the SEC look good this bowl season. GO DAWGs!!!

  59. gamustangdude says: Jan 5, 2013 12:13 PM

    meant a SEC not “an SEC”

  60. woebegong says: Jan 5, 2013 12:16 PM

    Good explanation. It is not just, as some on here would say, and think about southern rednecks against everybody else. It has to do with success, and the SEC has had a lot of success these last few years. During the year and in the bowl game, I am a Georgia DAWG fan, but when other teams from the conference are playing in other bowl games, I am an SEC fan first.
    It does help recruiting a lot and the money just helps schools, build better facilities and help out the other sports that the school has. UGA made a profit last year of seventy million dollars in football, and that kept more than a few of the non revenue sports, like equestrian, and field hockey competitive sports at the university.

  61. woebegong says: Jan 5, 2013 12:23 PM

    Actually, I think the QB on A&M’s team will continue to have success, and they will be a team to be contended with while he is there. They have a pretty good group of lineman, and a good class coming in as well in 2013. The kid is so fast and has such great instincts, I don’t see any let up as far as his time in college goes. In the Sunday league, it may be different as Tebow has shown, but who knows, maybe the kid will work harder at passing for big plays, and then, if he stays off the injury list, he will be trouble for any team he plays against. He is fun to watch though, for sure.

  62. immafubared says: Jan 5, 2013 2:25 PM

    Last night reminded me of why the bowl games for me at least are a ho hum affair.

    After watching Oklahoma and then A&M for just two series I knew who was going to win and it wasn’t just becuase of Johnny Football. It was quite clear the O line of A & M was superior to the d line of Okl and the open field one on one tackling of A & M versus the missed tackles of Okl made the difference.
    How OKLA got ranked as high as they did is beyond me. This team cannot tackle, run game is average, passing is average and D line is below average.
    I actually compare Oklahoma straight up with Michigan and M ain’t no #9 team that’s for sure.
    Oregon and A & M should have been closer in rankings and that would have made a great bowl game to watch.
    These rankings and mis matches are getting hard to fathom.

  63. immafubared says: Jan 5, 2013 2:35 PM

    Being a big ten fan for a lot of decades, I am out of favor with the big ten and like the SEC style of football because it closely resembles the Pro’s.
    The big ten was built around big linemen plowing the way for big running backs. Speed wasn’t of essence, size and power were of the essence.

    Later and I think reluctantly, the big ten began to utilize the passing game more, but you could set your life on their game plan; run twice pass once if you have to.

    I still see that trend though of favoring the run. Big linemen, etc. I watched small parts of a couple of big ten games and they had a lot less speed then there opponents. Especially on the lines.
    Wisconsin and Michigan backs were tackled before they got out of the backfield a lot of times by quicker, more resilient linemen.

  64. gatorcheme says: Jan 5, 2013 2:53 PM

    Go Aggies, welcome to the SEC!

    Thus far Bridgewater and Manziel have been the most impressive QBs this bowl season. Bridgewater is the more accomplished passer and Manziel is the better all-round athlete. Props to both for very impressive showings.

    I think part of the anti-SEC rhetoric comes from a lack of understanding of southern values and total love of all things football.

    I have lived and worked all over this country. I have encountered attitudes and beliefs of many types. When you live, work, and play in the south, your community is also your family–more so than anywhere else. You may not get along with your neighbor on most days, but there will be hell to pay if some outsider shows up and starts trouble.

    Anyone who comes to the south is immediately indoctrinated in this. It can be good or bad. But it is always there. We take this attitude to our schools, churches, and where we work. The closest similar attitude was when I was in the military. There, we called it esprit-de-corps.

    When it comes to football, there is no greater example of this attitude. It starts with high school. High school football is HUGE in the south, even for those of us with no kids in school. I’ve encountered nothing like it anywhere else. College ball is no less important. We push each other to be the best. When an outsider comes, we line up and challenge them as a family.

    In the south, it’s all about family-even extended families. We extend these values to all of our communal brothers and sisters–Home, community, church, school…SEC.

    Many will not understand this, we don’t fault you for that. After all, you likely have no frame of reference. Just remember, you take one of us on, you take all of us on.

  65. beerbudsnbevo says: Jan 5, 2013 2:56 PM

    You know why Bob Stoops eats cereal out of the box?

    Cause if it was in a BOWL he’d lose it….

  66. gatorcheme says: Jan 5, 2013 3:22 PM


    It might be my southern, redneck, bigoted, one-tooth, cousin lovin’, in-bred education, but I believe the proper grammar is ‘an SEC’ as in your original post. As in, an ‘es ee see’

  67. Deb says: Jan 5, 2013 3:30 PM

    Those who think SEC fans are trying to relive the Civil War really don’t get it. We’re not trying to relive the Civil War. We’re banding together against the bigotry and ridiculous stereotypes of fools–as johnclaytonsponytail explained so well in his last post. As they say, success is the best revenge. We may have to endure endless insults from the terminally ignorant, but at least we can bond over the success of our football teams … as well as our rich culture of music, literature, statesmanship, and so on.

    And yes, we acknowledge that LSU, Florida, and Mississippi State lost their bowl games. That’s disappointing. But at least LSU and Florida lost to other Southern teams, if not SEC opponents. And they’ll live to fight another day :)

  68. irishdodger says: Jan 5, 2013 10:16 PM

    Y’all do realize that both teams in a bowl game receive an equal payout? I believe both ND & Bama get $18 million each. Whichever SEC fan who posted that the winning team gets a bigger payout & that’s why he/she roots for all SEC teams is ignorant to the facts.

  69. irishdodger says: Jan 6, 2013 12:16 AM

    Can SEC fans type w/ a straight face that Auburn fans will be rooting for Bama in the NC game? Or that the reverse happened two yrs ago when Auburn won it all? I live in SEC country & I don know many MSU fans who would root for Ole Miss or vice versa. If an SEC fan’s team is so bad that they have to live vicariously through Bama…then just be a Bama fan. To me, as a sports fan, it goes against everything to not “hate” your rivals. Dodgers hate Giants, Cardinals hate Cubs, Tar Heels hate Blue Devils, Buckeyes hate Wolverines, Trojans hate Bruins, Bears hate Packers, Sooners hate Longhorns, Canes hate Noles, Red Sox hate Yankees, Chiefs hate Raiders, Steelers hate Ravens, Cowboys hate Redskins. Need I go on? Pick a team! Nothing wrong w/ rooting for a fellow conference member but everyone of them? Why not hand out Sunny D & orange slices after the game? If Bama wins the NC, it doesn’t make crappy to mediocre teams like KY, UT, MSU, Auburn, Vandy, Ark, Mizzou or Ole Miss any better or any more respected b/c they happen to play in the same conference as Bama.

  70. v2the4 says: Jan 6, 2013 4:55 AM

    Well said Irishdodger

    the payouts are equal for all bcs games, except the NC game, with the payout being $18M vs $17M for a bcs game, regardless of who wins…
    In theory, you are correct…Alabama and florida being in the bcs games will eventually trickle down to Missouri and Kentucky so they can spend more money on their basketball programs and neglect their football teams, which are in need of facility upgrades.

    keep in mind, it goes both ways…Alabama lost $1.8M in their 2010 BCS win over Texas and had to pay out another $1.25M in bonuses…while Auburn lost $800k in their 2011 BCS win over Oregon, mainly due to eating the cost of unsold tickets. Boise St netted a $4M profit when they played TCU in the 2011Fiesta Bowl, because they sold all of their tickets and the Mtn West gave them a bowl allowance for travel expenses.

    The big winner this year will be Notre Dame…they will get $6.2M, which they will not have to share with anyone…that is a pre-determined amount per the bcs contract

  71. 8to80texansblog says: Jan 6, 2013 11:03 AM

    A&M can be a national title contender next year if they can somehow get the tackles to stay. Joekel is almost assuredly gone as he is a top 3 pick. Matthews, will probably stay, but could be a top 3 rounds pick if he decides to leave. If they both stay… The A&M offense is going to be VERY hard to deal with. Manziel will finally get the whole playbook, Mike Evans will have another year under his belt, and Mark Synder’s attacking defense will get another year of continuity.

    Their schedule is set up for a run at the title. no Georgia, no S. Carolina, no Florida. They get Bama at home. They do have to go to Death Valley and I’m 99.9999% positive that gets scheduled as a night game.

    We’ll see but I am expecting no less than a BCS game out them, hopefully the BCS Title game…

  72. pushingiron says: Jan 6, 2013 2:09 PM

    Matthews won’t be a top 3 rounds pick, he will be picked in the top 20 of the draft. Most draft polls have him anywhere from 7th overall to 20th overall first round. I don’t see him leaving this year, his brother will be the starting center, and the family doesn’t need the dough.
    It is too bad the Ags did not get the chance to slaughter the horns, it would have been a beat down of epic proportions. This is the best Aggie team I have seen in my 43 years. With the monster of a class coming in this team could very well be better next year.

  73. Deb says: Jan 6, 2013 2:51 PM

    irishdodger and v2the4 …

    I don’t understand the whole NASCAR thing. Never have. Have tried to watch it, even watched a biopic on Dale Earnhart. No … just don’t get it. But I’m not going to go on a NASCAR blog and persist in telling those folks that their rooting interest isn’t legitimate and they should just follow football instead. I may not get it, but it works for them. Live and let live.

    You don’t understand how SEC fans can be obsessively devoted to their teams and bitter internal rivals, yet root for SEC teams against nonconference opponents. Fine. No one is asking you to understand it. But it works for us. We’re not going to stop. Auburn fans won’t be living vicariously through Alabama on Monday night. A lot of them will root against us. I rooted against them when they played Oregon–but I’m glad they won. Doesn’t make sense to you? I really don’t care.

  74. woebegong says: Jan 6, 2013 4:27 PM


    Nascar is really pretty simple for most of the fans, and I am one. Most go to see the crashes, and enjoy the atmosphere. I go, because I like watching those mechanical marvels race, and enjoy almost any kind of competition. I am afraid though that Nascar is slowly pricing itself out of range for me. $125.00 for an obstructed view ticket, in a plastic chair gets a little too much for this ole fart. That’s why I have an easy chair and big TV, LOL.

  75. chiefagc5675 says: Jan 6, 2013 9:26 PM

    You’re a pos. A little slower than the black guys so your IQ must be in the low 50’s.

  76. gatorcheme says: Jan 7, 2013 12:10 AM


    Did you really just make a racist comment? Care to make an apology (assuming you haven’t been banned by then)?

  77. pushingiron says: Jan 7, 2013 2:16 PM

    Where is Fiesty1? He was so fired up early this season about comparing the Ags and the Whorns and comparable opponents.

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