I think it is fair that when you mention self imposed sactions, you note that UM not only gave up two bowl games, but they gave up their spot in the ACC championship game this year.

that is a big deal.

thanks

Unless the NCAA has written in thier bylaws they themselves cannot use bankruptcy records in an investigation ad they broke that bylaw I just don’t understand the problem.

The university bent over backwards to provide the NCAA with anything they needed; yet we still saw:
1) A 2+ year investigation
2) Miami disqualifying DeQuan Jones, who is then reinstated by the NCAA b/c no evidence exists for the allegation.
3) NCAA lawyers threatening former players
4) NCAA lawyers attempting to ban former players from a location (Miami campus)
5) NOA coming Jan 1st — whoops just kidding!
6) NOA coming Jan 15th — whoops just kidding!
7) Okay, seriously NOA coming this week
8) Hold up on that NOA, we [the NCAA] have to investigate ourselves first.

/facepalm

Maybe PSU was ‘coerced’ into the agreement. I could see both sides of the coin: the NCAA coercing PSU into the agreement b/c the NCAA really having no idea how to approach it (really unprecedented — the NCAA hasn’t had to investigate *criminal* matters of this magnitude).

I could also see PSU pushing for the agreement, for as Miami will attest: an interminable (2+ year) investigation kneecaps a program.

My impression of the NCAA right now is they just lash out hitting easy targets, to assert *some* form of dominance.

The NCAA has long acted as a diabolical, fascist, enforcement agency. “Truth, truth, you can’t handle the truth.”

It’s an ironic coincidence that someone with a documented background of irrational bureaucracy like Donna Shalala would now find herself dealing with a situation that goes directly in line with the way her people have always done things.

If the NCAA is consistent, they will end up taking scholarships away, reducing practices, and having the Athletic Director at Boise State fired for students spending too much time sitting in the food court at the local Burger King.

This part is confusing… Shapiro threatened to take down Miami. Wouldn’t he have been able to provide the information directly since it was his bankruptcy? The article even says that investigators worked with his lawyers to get that info and his lawyers wouldn’t be privy to anything that he couldn’t access. Is the claim that the NCAA forced him to provide the info in some way?

Mr. Freeh did not speak to anyone named in any of the legal proceedings because they were and are ongoing, but rather filled in the blanks with his own narrative and experience. It is, ultimately, his opinion of what happened and is factually inadmissible in court because it is a ton of hearsay.

The NCAA however took it and ran with it.

It’s possible I suppose. However it always seemed to me that it was more a case of Penn State being told “Sign this or else.” I never got the sense that this was something that Penn State ever did to avoid an in depth investigation but rather something to which they were held over the barrel.

In light of the McNair/USC v. NCAA lawsuit which shows evidence of the NCAA and it’s board making threats, and now this precedence where the NCAA is admitting it was wrong for them to use legal proceedings outside of NCAA purview to investigate/sanction a school, that the case(s) against the NCAA as a corrupt governing body are mounting.

At this point I begin to assume that actual courts are very much going to want to get their hands on the NCAA which has been making money hand over fist but maintains it’s tax exempt status as it’s collecting fines and punishing state held institutions.

What the U did is done in 99.9999% of schools with football programs. And apparently most of the information obtained by the NCAA was done illegally. PSU agreed to the allegations on the Freeh report, meaning that rabbit hole probably went on for miles so they decided to cut their losses.

I may be missing something, so correct me if I’m wrong here. I thought the uniqueness of PSU’s case was that all interested parties agreed that a formal NCAA investigation would be long, expensive, and damage PSU’s reputation badly enough that they’d skip the investigation, and instead go directly to sanctions based on the findings of the Freeh report.

I thought reliance on the Freeh report was an outcome *specifically arranged* by PSU?

Somewhere I imagine Governor Corbett on behalf of the people of PA and Senator Jake Corman are thanking the NCAA for setting precedence that using legal proceedings as the basis of their investigation and sanctions is outside of the scope of the NCAA’s purview.

The school has skipped bowls the last 2 years AND took itself out of the conference championship game….on top of suspending every single player that was still on the team and even slightly involved in the scandal.

Now I’m not saying the NCAA was on a witch hunt but they sure treated part of it like it was and like somebody busted for drunk driving you can say it was the first time you’ve done it but we all know the truth.