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Harvey Updyke sentenced to three years for poisoning Toomer’s Corner oaks

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Harvey Updyke has previously been known as the man accused of poisoning the oak trees at Toomer’s Corner. Now, he’s the man who actually did poison the oak trees at Toomer’s Corner. Or, at least admitted as such.

Two years after being arrested for allegedly poisoning the trees at the famous Auburn site, Updyke has finally met his legal fate. Following several delays in his trial — his most recent date was April 8 — Updyke changed his plea from not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect to guilty on Friday.

Lee County Circuit Court Judge Jacob A. Walker II sentenced Updyke to three years on a charge of criminal damage of an agricultural facility, a Class-C felony. He was originally charged with first-degree criminal mischief, desecration of a venerated object and unlawful damage to a crop facility charges.

Updyke will remain incarcerated for six months — he’s already credited for serving 104 days in jail — and has been placed on five years of supervised probation after his release. He will also not be allowed to attend any college sporting event or talk with media. He is banned from any Auburn University property and has a 7 p.m. curfew.

Updyke, or “Al from Dadeville”, called the Paul Finebaum Show two years ago claiming he had spread herbicide around the trees following Auburn’s 2010 win in the Iron Bowl over Alabama.

The oak trees at Toomer’s Corner are expected to be removed late next month.

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86 Responses to “Harvey Updyke sentenced to three years for poisoning Toomer’s Corner oaks”
  1. cometkazie says: Mar 22, 2013 6:26 PM

    Y’all think he may have any Wisconsin connections?

  2. Deb says: Mar 22, 2013 6:29 PM

    Hallelujah!! In addition to the court ruling, Alabama has banned him for life from university facilities and sporting events. So now let’s hope he just goes away forever. And though he’s guilty as sin and didn’t deserve any legal consideration for mental aberrations, I still think he’s nuttier than a Snickers bar.

  3. be4bama says: Mar 22, 2013 7:19 PM

    Cometkazie, as a matter of fact UpDyke was born and raised a cheese head!!!!

  4. gatorcheme says: Mar 22, 2013 7:30 PM

    Not taking anything away from the symbolic importance of Toomer’s Corner, but let’s take away the emotional attachment. Three years for killing a couple of oak trees is a little on the harsh side. Apparently his lawyer (or the Honorable Jacob A. Walker II) has never heard of the Eighth Amendment.

    I would have preferred community service tending Toomer’s Corner and financial restitution for the trees’ destruction. The latter may yet come, depending on any potential civil suit.

    Just sayin’…

  5. virusgvr says: Mar 22, 2013 7:35 PM

    This guys 15 mins of fame is up.

  6. rolltide510 says: Mar 22, 2013 7:36 PM

    Glad they went easy on Toomer’s Coroner.

  7. 4hrchubby says: Mar 22, 2013 7:37 PM

    roll tide…right harvey?

  8. southernpatriots says: Mar 22, 2013 7:40 PM

    Updike a cheesehead???, now be4bama that now all makes sense! And to think he was here in southeast Louisiana for awhile (I hope he is no longer here! I am going to send the Swamp People after him if he is.)

    All the many dedicated people of Auburn and Tuscaloosa and all around who worked to save Toomer’s Trees, kudos to you all. May the gift offered by the Tide fan of new trees be accepted and bring a closure once the soil is removed and all is made ready.

    Updike sentenced. The University of Alabama should take a vote and prohibit him from any university property or any football games home and away. I know Bama does not claim him as a fan, but I don’t think they want him around either.

  9. be4bama says: Mar 22, 2013 7:45 PM

    No worries Southernpatriots, at the press conference UpDyke said he was moving back home to Wisconsin where people understood him.
    And it sure is good to see you again. You’ve been missed.

  10. southernpatriots says: Mar 22, 2013 7:58 PM

    Thanks for the update on Updike, be4bama! Troy & Liz and some of other gator hunters were saying they needed more gator bait. I am going to have to tell them to catch some more carp….shucks.

    I am only home for a short time for R & R, maybe take in the LSU Spring Game, and eat some great Cajun cooking. Then back to Appalachia for me. So many children at risk there. Colleagues up there tell me that the flu and pneumonia crisis may not be over for some weeks yet.

  11. seanb20124 says: Mar 22, 2013 8:53 PM

    Why can’t he talk to the media?

  12. brewcrewfan54 says: Mar 22, 2013 8:58 PM

    I’m not sure where the Wisconsin thing comes from but he’s not going to jail for cheering for any of our teams. He’s all you guys.

  13. Deb says: Mar 22, 2013 9:05 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    As already noted, Alabama long ago banned Updyke for life from all university facilities and sporting events.

  14. southernpatriots says: Mar 22, 2013 9:09 PM


    Thanks for reminding me. That is a great thing the folks at Univ. of Alabama have done.

    Though it may be unnecessary, I think all colleges/universities ought to do the same thing, or he may “adopt” some other university and do something similar again.

  15. Deb says: Mar 22, 2013 9:10 PM

    @southernpatriots …

    Maybe he’ll adopt Wisconsin. Can you imagine the combination of Updyke and packerbadger? Oh dear!!! LOL

  16. Deb says: Mar 22, 2013 9:15 PM

    Best of luck in Appalachia, southernpatriots. As I just posted on another thread about SEC doctors, two of my best surgeons were LSU grads. They turn out fine doctors there.

  17. cometkazie says: Mar 22, 2013 9:23 PM

    My college was a very good premed school in its day and most of the grads went to either LSU or Tulane med schools.

    A lot of people don’t know of the wonderful programs the two med schools have for the general population. A friend with liver damage went to a liver program there that did her a lot of good. A lot of the staff at the VA Hospital are interns from the med school. I was treated by one who was tremendous.

    The schools are real jewels.

  18. bamasleeper13 says: Mar 22, 2013 9:30 PM

    What a lunatic, hope he does head back to Wisconsin. Incredible that someone could do that. I just hate he is a “professed” Bama fan, we want nothing to do with him!

  19. florida727 says: Mar 22, 2013 10:14 PM

    It’s one thing to be a “fan”. It’s quite another to be an idiot. Love the idea of financial restitution to go along with the jail sentence and banishment from college sporting events. Kind of a shame he’s not from Alaska though if he’s looking to “go back” from where he came. Far northern Alaska now that I think of it :)

    #southernpatriots, good to see you back on CFT. Have missed you. Hope all is well. God bless.

  20. southernpatriots says: Mar 22, 2013 10:59 PM


    Thank you. I have to get my bearings again, get some good Cajun cooking in me, and collect some meds and maybe a few adventuresome doctors from the local area and head back. Their wives would not let them go to Cuba with me last year, but I think they will let them go with me on this trip.

    We now have children at 8 different hospitals and several to be transferred to St. Jude’s and one to Cedars-Sinai, Los Angeles next week. Cedars performs more lung transplants for children with Cystic Fibrosis than just about all other hospitals combined.

    I know both Auburn and Alabama will be glad to get the trees replanted and growing well and the Updyke lunacy behind them. This type situation is not good for anyone. Rivalries are good for college football, lunatics are not.

    When I was much younger, Tulane and LSU would play pranks on one another. On one occasion the Tulane Green Wavers came on to the campus at LSU, cut the lock on Mike’s cage and let our Bengal tiger loose.

    You can only imagine the shock and borderline terror when the co-eds were walking to class early the next morning and came upon Mike looking at them. He was quite tame since he was raised there from a cub, but they did not know that! Mike looked very happy to be back in his enclosure later that morning. Nothing permanent, some mischief, but no death to anything. We live in a different age today.

    Hope all is well with you and that all is working out. Our prayers and thoughts have been with you.

  21. normtide says: Mar 22, 2013 11:15 PM

    One less idiot running our streets. His sentence is nothing compared to the fact that everyone in this state, and the entire southeast, knows who is, and despises him. My heart still goes out to my AU friends.

    Gatorcheme- I understand your point, but the way he had handled himself since had been ridiculous. Also, consider the fact that had he not called a radio show, he would have never got caught. For him, it was always about hurting people. He’d continued that trend up until his sentencing. To me, that calls for stiffer punishment.

    Pats- Nice to see you back, even temporarily. I live in the foothills and appreciate what your doing. A few months back I made a trip to SW Virginia for business. Along the way my son and I saw first hand the poverty and hardship. Godspeed.

  22. southernpatriots says: Mar 22, 2013 11:21 PM


    There is an old saying, “When America has a cold, Appalachia has pneumonia” Sadly, that is truer than just a saying. Thanks.

    This past winter there was brutal. Up the sides of the mountains especially. I kept telling everyone I was a Southern boy not used to that huge wind and sub zero temps but they just laughed. Sometimes I think they were laughing at me, rather than with me…smile.

  23. harvupdyke says: Mar 22, 2013 11:38 PM

    They’re lettin me keep my iPhone in here, so Y’all be hearin from me.

    Easiest time there is. Just have to think back to jan 7th, bama 42 rudy 14.

    Roll dam tide.

  24. tuckfexas says: Mar 23, 2013 12:29 AM

    Former Texas cop….what more do you need to know? What a Fing idiot. This little b!tch was whining on Finebaum about how he had to move out of his very affordable home into a much more expensive place somewhere else.

    Whose fault is that, you DF?

  25. ningenito78 says: Mar 23, 2013 12:43 AM

    I still want to know how this dude spread enough herbicide to kill all those massive trees without anybody noticing.

  26. BigBeachBall says: Mar 23, 2013 12:50 AM

    It was a tree.

  27. tommy57 says: Mar 23, 2013 1:23 AM

    Upkyke, in my opinion, may be mentally ill and is just one of many ‘on our streets.’ He is a subject in this forum because his actions related to destruction of an honored, football-related shrine (if you will). I agree that rivalries are good for all sports, and they can benefit all of us when the occur in the business world through cost reductions and efficiencies (Capitalism, as designed).

    But there are some among us who have difficulty processing the behavioral limits associated with rivalries. These are the people that can cause problems. To me, access to affordable healthcare in America is the larger issue.

  28. jfinn5 says: Mar 23, 2013 3:59 AM

    As a die hard SF Niners fan I would never think of destroying another fans stadium or his or hers personnel property. What makes people like this think like this? Has some respect.

  29. tigersgeaux says: Mar 23, 2013 4:56 AM


    I think the answer to your question is:

    Someone who is mentally ill, unbalanced.

    “As reported by the Hammond Daily Star, Updyke went into the store to return a lawnmower which he claims he paid $150. When the store manager told him he would give $110 in return, Updyke went on a verbal rampage, threatening he ‘had a bad heart so he would come back and take care of everyone.'” Police took Updyke from Lowe’s and cited him.

  30. louhudson23 says: Mar 23, 2013 5:40 AM

    The man is clearly mentally ill. As for the “it was just some trees crowd”….well,that is just ignorance speaking…..

    I THINK that I shall never see
    A poem lovely as a tree.

    A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
    Against the sweet earth’s flowing breast;

    A tree that looks at God all day,
    And lifts her leafy arms to pray;

    A tree that may in summer wear
    A nest of robins in her hair;

    Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
    Who intimately lives with rain.

    Poems are made by fools like me,
    But only God can make a tree.

  31. louhudson23 says: Mar 23, 2013 5:41 AM

    J.Kilmer(not Billy’s brother…)

  32. thecrazyasianinseccountry says: Mar 23, 2013 6:56 AM

    So many old friends in here, I just had to say HI!! To everyone !!

  33. cometkazie says: Mar 23, 2013 8:23 AM

    southernpatriots says:
    Mar 22, 2013 11:21 PM

    There is an old saying, “When America has a cold, Appalachia has pneumonia” Sadly, that is truer than just a saying. Thanks.

    This past winter there was brutal. Up the sides of the mountains especially. I kept telling everyone I was a Southern boy not used to that huge wind and sub zero temps but they just laughed. Sometimes I think they were laughing at me, rather than with me…smile.

    More snow forecast for the BlueGrass tomorrow, SP, and it will head east.

    Society here in Central Kentucky is a whole lot different than in Baton Rouge. We are in the foothills and see what you refer to and you didn’t mention the prescription drug epidemic which has ruined so many lives.

    Good people here, too.

  34. be4bama says: Mar 23, 2013 10:10 AM

    Where’s that stinkin packerbadger? I’m guessing he crawled back under a rock. GO OLE MISS!!!

  35. tlmoon2112 says: Mar 23, 2013 10:28 AM

    Couldn’t have happened to a better Alabama fan. The face of Alabama sports behind bars where he should be, thank God.

  36. grudenthediva says: Mar 23, 2013 11:23 AM

    Yes, because clearly the only charged offense/crime was “killing a couple oak trees”. And Michael Vick just had some dogs fight a few times. And the Bama fan just gave the passed out LSU student a “nutty love tap”

    To the people quibbling with the state’s right to pursue such a sentence, from what venerable institution of law did you graduate?

  37. cometkazie says: Mar 23, 2013 11:25 AM

    I think of Updyke as the face of what can be wrong with sports today, hardly the face of Alabama fans just as I don’t think the troll is typical of Badger fans.

    I like to think of my ‘Bama loving colleagues on the list as the faces of the school’s fans. Shoot, I even root for them when they are not playing LSU.

    There is a camaraderie amongst good fans that extends beyond college and conference lines. My niece is an OSU fan and we love to go back and forth and that doesn’t interfere with our love for each other.

  38. noring4youstill says: Mar 23, 2013 11:31 AM

    Trees. We’re talking about trees

  39. thefiesty1 says: Mar 23, 2013 12:17 PM

    How old was the tree he killed? He should have gotten the life of the tree.

  40. tlmoon2112 says: Mar 23, 2013 1:32 PM

    Cometkazie I’ve got nothing but love and respect for you but I just think that outlook is wrong with respect to Alabama fans. I lived in the Bay Area of California for 20 years and with the Raiders playing right up the street I’ve seen some of the worst sportsmanship in all of sports. Alabama fans are the Raider fans of college football in my opinion, based on my experience. I realize that some of the Alabama fans here on CFT are ok but they’re the exception, not the rule. Idiots like Harvey Updyke are the face of Alabama sports whether they like it or not. The only way to change that perception is by policing their own ranks. Now they’re going to come back and say I’m a lunatic or a poor sport or I have some family problem or whatever the blame flavor of the week is. However, at the end of the day the immovable truth about it is that admitting you have a problem is the first step to healing and they’re not ready to admit that yet. That’s just my observation.

  41. cometkazie says: Mar 23, 2013 1:47 PM

    Maybe I should have said the ‘Bama fans on the list.

    I’ve even known some obnoxious LSU fans, hard has that may be to believe. 😉

  42. tommy57 says: Mar 23, 2013 2:34 PM

    tlmoon2112 – poor sportsmanship on the part of fans/supporters exists everywhere, but I agree there are exceptional examples – the NY Jets and any team in Philadelphia come to mind.

  43. shamrock7326 says: Mar 23, 2013 7:03 PM

    Alabama is the future Mexico replacement……we wish you never existed….the guy poisened a plant…………you inbred freaks. America has one thing to say…………LOMFAO!!!

  44. southernpatriots says: Mar 23, 2013 9:50 PM

    cometkazie: you are quite correct that I did not mention it or the crystal meth problem so many families are fighting. I love these folks, so many who work so hard and it often breaks my heart at the hardships they go through.

  45. tlmoon2112 says: Mar 24, 2013 3:37 PM

    Hey Tommy57, I don’t disagree with your premise at all. All I’m saying is that for whatever reason Alabama fans have taken it to the next level with destruction of personal and public property. I don’t see that happening anywhere else in college football.

  46. southernpatriots says: Mar 24, 2013 3:58 PM

    fiesty1: These venerable old live oak trees were somewhere between 80 and 100 years old, with some able to remember old tin type photos of the trees from around 1910 or so.

    There is one old huge live oak tree where my grandmother lived and raised my father in Baton Rouge, still there. It is huge with limbs that take the “wing span” of three men to reach around the lowest limbs and 5 men to reach around the trunk. At a family reunion back in the day, we did actually get the men together and did that.

    Don’t have huge live oak trees where we live now, but we do have some huge and estimated about 600 year old bald cypress trees with moss that is about 200 years old.

  47. normtide says: Mar 24, 2013 6:30 PM

    We get the moral of the story. Everyone’s rival has the worst fans.

  48. packerbadger says: Mar 25, 2013 8:15 AM

    cometkazie says:Mar 22, 2013 6:26 PM

    Y’all think he may have any Wisconsin connections?
    He’s too stupid to be from Wisconsin. Way to go Alabama! Even your fans suck. Win at all costs. Nice. Btw, we say “You Guys”. We don’t even want to sound stupid. Can’t wait till you guys get spanked with sanctions next.

  49. packerbadger says: Mar 25, 2013 10:04 AM

    be4bama says:Mar 23, 2013 10:10 AM

    Where’s that stinkin packerbadger? I’m guessing he crawled back under a rock. GO OLE MISS!!!
    Sorry, I’m not on the internet on weekends. I actually have this thing called a life. Ol’ Miss is out of the tourney btw.

  50. packerbadger says: Mar 25, 2013 10:54 AM

    Oh, btw Somewhat Educated Conference fans; did you see the class of the SEC in the Ol’ Miss game where Marshall Henderson flipped off the crowd after being beat by LaSalle? Poison trees, flip off crowds; its a pattern down there. Sore losers!

  51. normtide says: Mar 25, 2013 12:50 PM

    Tbh, we don’t lose that much. We have much to learn from the B1G on that front. Should we review the last dozen rose bowls?

    Wisconsin been out. They can join the rest of UW athletics, on the bench

  52. be4bama says: Mar 25, 2013 1:12 PM

    Norm I’m doing my very best to ignore him in hopes he crawls back under the bridge. Isn’t that where trolls live?

  53. normtide says: Mar 25, 2013 1:22 PM

    Yea, but he is pretty easy to shoot down.

  54. packerbadger says: Mar 25, 2013 2:06 PM

    Hey norm, how many teams you got in the NCAA basketball tourney? How many in the NCAA hockey tourney? How many SEC schools are ranked in the top 20 in academics? Out of all of those questions, I’ll tell you the answer….one….Florida in hoops. Yeah, you guys sure are winners alright *rolls eyes*.

  55. normtide says: Mar 25, 2013 2:08 PM

    We must be winners, lord knows you can’t stop talking about us.

  56. gamustangdude says: Mar 25, 2013 3:21 PM

    I have to agree with a couple of the posters, from what I read. I can understand how some people get sentimental over certain things, It was just a tree, 3 years for killing trees? He got more than some do for a lot worse. I know he’ll only serve 6 months I think, but come on it was just a tree(s).

  57. packerbadger says: Mar 25, 2013 3:54 PM

    Mustang dude….they execute retarded people in the south and imprison them for killing trees.

  58. Deb says: Mar 25, 2013 6:54 PM

    tlmoon2112 says:

    Hey Tommy57, I don’t disagree with your premise at all. All I’m saying is that for whatever reason Alabama fans have taken it to the next level with destruction of personal and public property. I don’t see that happening anywhere else in college football.
    Harvey Updyke, a guy who’s clearly several bricks shy of a load, destroyed Auburn’s trees. Thousands of Alabama fans raised thousands of dollars to try and reimburse Auburn for the loss. You’re choosing to focus on the one jackass instead of the thousands of good Alabama fans–either because you’ve been exposed to other jerks among the Bama faithful or because you’re a fan of a Bama rival. But you’d have to be pretty naive to believe this stuff doesn’t happen everywhere–and not just in college football.

    Central Florida trains triathletes from all over the world and you wouldn’t believe the destructiveness of these lunatic cyclists toward automobile drivers. They spit at us, throw things at our cars, illegally ride in packs across the road so drivers can’t pass. Scary. We live in a time when a lot of people act without any personal boundaries. And an alarming number of people are mentally unstable, wandering through life just waiting for someone or something to light the fuse. Things that stir deep passions–such as football, politics, religion, or job-related issues–can send unbalanced people over the edge. And none of this is unique to Alabama.

    A few years ago, my sister-in-law saw a mob of Tennessee fans trying to turn over the car of an elderly couple after a football game just because the car had Alabama plates and the Vols had just lost to the Tide. She’ll never attend another Bama game in Knoxville. Last season, fans of a visiting team were beaten nearly to death in the stadium parking lot at WVU. A Steelers fan was deliberately blinded in a bar in Chicago. A father in Green Bay was arrested for tying up his 7-year-old son when the kid refused to wear a Packers jersey. This stuff goes on all over the country–not just Alabama, Philly, or Oakland.

  59. charger383 says: Mar 25, 2013 11:21 PM

    This guy was a Texas State Trooper, what does that say?

  60. packerbadger says: Mar 26, 2013 9:46 AM

    charger383 says:Mar 25, 2013 11:21 PM

    This guy was a Texas State Trooper, what does that say?
    Says a lot about the deep south. Before I moved south, a friend of mine who lived down there for a while told me: “Everything they say about the south is true”. Sadly, I have to agree with him.

  61. gamustangdude says: Mar 26, 2013 10:37 AM


    I have a son with Autism, so your retarded comment doesn’t sit well with me.
    Second this is a football blog. We don’t care about your dislike of ‘everythang’ southern; we only care about how many points your pathetic badgers score on our southern teams, more specifically SEC teams (3-8-1 record, I see why you’re angry). You rag on our educational statistics for SEC schools, like it really matters in the long run. It doesn’t. At the end of the day, a guy who graduates from the University of Michigan isn’t better than a graduate of UGA. (Insert immature comment from packerbadger)

    You hate the south for whatever reason, I can live with that however, if it’s so bad you can always move back home. Given you’re superior education (sarcasm) I’m sure you can find a job the pays the same, and provides the needs necessary to move out of the wretched south right? If the south was truly as bad as you like to proclaim, you would’ve moved a while ago. The excuse train starts in 5…4…3

  62. normtide says: Mar 26, 2013 11:44 AM

    You see, this is a football blog. Packbadge doesn’t have any football to talk about. He doesn’t seem like the kind to keep his mouth shut when he has nothing to say.

  63. packerbadger says: Mar 26, 2013 12:09 PM

    Hey Stormin’ Norman! Yes, this is a COLLEGE football blog. You do know to have a COLLEGE football team, the athletes must be enrolled in COLLEGE. That means theres an academic part to this; which you guys seem to ignore. Your school doesn’t seem to care about the COLLEGE part. I guess if I had to match up Alabama against Wisconsin in academics, I’d only want to focus on the football part as well. Why don’t you go to wikipedia and compare Wisconsins academics to Alabama’s. If it were to be a football score, Wisconsin would have 117 and Alabama 6. We have a very good football team and an even better COLLEGE!

  64. packerbadger says: Mar 26, 2013 12:11 PM

    Also to address your point, why are they talking about some guy poisoning some trees? I don’t remember him being a football player….do you? Why would this be on a COLLEGE football blog?

  65. packerbadger says: Mar 26, 2013 12:16 PM

    Mustangdude…does it physically hurt to be as stupid as you are? You make some irrelevant comment and then you go right to how many points are scored in some games.
    “You rag on our educational statistics for SEC schools, like it really matters in the long run. It doesn’t. At the end of the day, a guy who graduates from the University of Michigan isn’t better than a graduate of UGA.”

    You really are an idiot. My guess is that you didn’t even go to college. Ever hear of getting into graduate school or getting a job. Yeah, I’m sure someone looking to hire someone who graduated from Harvard or Michigan doesn’t have any advantage over someone who graduated from Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi. Those along with Louisiana are the bottom of the education barrel in this country and is backed up by facts. I’m guessing that you’re from one of those states and you neither have the intellectual resources or educational background to even begin to “get it”.

  66. Deb says: Mar 26, 2013 2:37 PM

    As I posted before, the country is full of unstable people. With every irrational post about the southeast United States, the guy who calls himself “packerbadger” makes abundantly clear he’s one of them. You have to be irrational to hate an entire region of people with such ferocity and to believe (as he insists he does) that intellect is determined by birthplace.

    For whatever reason, the man moved to the South and hates it. But he doesn’t have the intellectual resources, the educational background, or the courage to move somewhere more preferable to him and make a more desirable life for himself. Instead, he just sits in his misery and spends his days spewing hatred on a football blog to people who’ve never done him any harm. What a sad waste of life. He’s to be pitied.

  67. packerbadger says: Mar 26, 2013 3:04 PM

    Shut up Deb. You know NOTHING about me. I actually am in the process of moving back. My life is actually quite good. I have much more than football going on in my life. I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know and have more letters after my name than you’ever will. ‘Most of the time I’m chuckling as I type this. Even norm said ribbing is good fun. I guess you need to grow some thicker skin.

    Since you brought it up, what I “hate” about the south is the bigotry, racism and people still fighting the Civil War for the right to own slaves. Yankee this and Yankee that. Over half the people I ask if they even know where Wisconsin is don’t have a clue. I hear this krap dang near every day. Obviously, not everyone here is like that, but there are a helluva lot more down here than up there that are like that. I base it on a lack of education; which is much lower than the region where I come from. You can FACT CHECK this. Next time, engage brain, and facts before fingers/mouth. Funny thing is, is that you have yet to PROVE that I’ve been wrong about any of the points I’ve been making. Have a nice day and don’t pity me; use your time more constructively.

  68. gamustangdude says: Mar 26, 2013 3:13 PM


    Again with the juvenile insults, your “superior educational aptitude” is beginning to lose its legitimacy.

    My point that you missed is that a doctor is a doctor is a doctor. At the end of the day you can’t prove to me that a doctor that graduated from Michigan’s med school is better than a doctor who graduated from UGA’s med school. Where is your facts/proof to support? That’s what I meant by “…like it matters in the long run…” Take the word doctor out and replace it with any other profession. Education is what you make of it; it’s an individual accomplishment / responsibility. Some people are smarter than others, that’s the way life is. But you are seriously misguided if you think that EVERY student that attends Michigan is smarter than EVERY student that attends UGA. Please let me know if that’s your argument, and I’ll end all conversations with you ASAP.

    And to me it doesn’t really matter, I don’t pick and choose my doctors / lawyers / vets / etc based on where they went to school, I pick and choose based off the quality of their work and their reputation. (Again, the emphasis on “…like it matters in the long run…”) That’s my point, and I’m sorry if you’re not smart enough to “get it.” Graduating from a top notch school over a smaller school does maybe one thing, it may get your “foot” in the door a little bit faster. After that, it’s an individual’s responsibility to make things happen. You can scream GO BIG BLUE all you want but if you’re not performing at the correct level or meeting expectations, you’ll be thrown out on your BIG BLUE azz.
    You get my point now? I can dumb it down for you further if you need me to, based on your comments above, I just might have to. Please prove me wrong!!!

  69. gamustangdude says: Mar 26, 2013 3:35 PM

    Oh and last but not least, UGA may not be a better school than Michigan, but it is better than….I don’t know….WISCONSIN. Don’t take my word for it. Check out

    Wisconsin rank was 189 out of 500, UGA was ranked 99/500.

    But, let’s focus on football. (I’m sorry to many syllables)…ok how about… game with pig skin good ok?

  70. Deb says: Mar 26, 2013 3:55 PM

    packerbadger …

    My comment was based solely on the content of your posts–as you well know. And nothing in the content of your posts suggests an intellect superior to mine or anyone else’s here. That’s why you’re so defensive.

    No, I’ve never tried to deny the history of the South or the ignorance that remains in some quarters. But bigotry exists in every state and region. How much you’re exposed to it depends on the company you keep. Frankly, I wouldn’t expect someone with the education level you claim to keep such low-brow company. And I doubt you do. I imagine most of the people you know in the South–if you truly live here–are intelligent and courteous. You’ve simply co-opted serious racial issues as fodder for your posts because–as others have pointed out–you can’t talk football.

    Don’t worry about my time. I have an infinite capacity for pity, especially of someone so deserving.

  71. packerbadger says: Mar 27, 2013 10:57 AM

    Nice try Festus. If you want a good synopsis of the ranks of colleges and their academic and research accomplishments, go to Wikipedia and look under academics and research for the universities. Wisconsin has quite a lengthy one. SEC schools….not so much. In this survey, FIVE Big 10 schools ranked ahead of Georgia and four of them before any SEC school is ranked. Again, I win, you lose.

    Btw Deb, I talk COLLEGE football. That means academics + sport….in this case football. Anybody can have great football teams if you go and get idiots that can’t stay in school and all they do is play football. Alabama and LSU should be compared to the pro’s because neither go to school and they both get paid. One gets paid over the table, one under. I’ll let you try and figure out which one is which. You guys do all you can to divert from the academic part of the equation. How convenient.

  72. gamustangdude says: Mar 27, 2013 11:59 AM

    You still don’t get it.
    First, you find a site that contradicts mine, and I’ve found one that contradicts yours, but yet you’re foolish enough to assess “Again, I win, you lose”? There’s only one way you win here, that is you performing better at your profession than I do at mine.
    Second only 1 Big 10 school is listed before the first SEC school, Check Vandy listed at number 17.
    Last, What you fail to realize over and over and over again, is that it doesn’t matter where you went to school, what matters is how you apply what you’ve been taught. Most people outside of “packerbadger world” rely on quality of work over school accolades. School accolades are good for one thing, getting you in the door. Once you’re there you still have to perform, regardless of which institution you went to. No one succeeds in life solely based on where they went to school.
    Now that we’ve beat this horse to death, let’s get back to talking college football, “Again, I win, you lose.”

  73. be4bama says: Mar 27, 2013 12:16 PM

    Packerbadger why do you troll on all the SEC blogs? Does Ben and John not write about your school? I know I don’t see anything written about the Big or Wisconsin.
    To the others who post on here I’m going to totally ignore that fool. Hopefully if we don’t respond he will crawl back under his bridge.
    I’m sure he gets all giddy when he thinks he’s ticks one of us off.
    So as of now……poof your are now invisible to me you ignorant, racist,

  74. southernpatriots says: Mar 27, 2013 4:00 PM

    gamustangdude, be4bama, Deb, normtide, and all reasonable posters on this thread…thank you. Thank you for having patience and enough care for the one on this blog who needs much help and you have gone beyond the call of duty to help him.

    I am reminded of something my venerated father used to tell me so many decades ago when I was but a little fellow: “Son, you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.”

    I was preparing to post the website addresses and some contents which list the many national championships of SEC schools, the great accomplishments of medicine, and other research which has come forth from students from those schools, but after reading your measured and wise responses, I realize I would be wasting my time. If he cannot accept or understand your postings, there is not much I could add to this thread in connection with him and his postings.

    Thank you one and all for your well wishes to me on my continued work in Appalachia. Presently, I am continuing my R & R and will resume my work there soon and will return a few days prior to LSU’s Spring Game on April 20th.

  75. cometkazie says: Mar 27, 2013 4:43 PM

    Poof! He is invisible.

    Great idea. Let’s carry thru.

  76. southernpatriots says: Mar 27, 2013 4:45 PM

    Great idea.


  77. parkcityute says: Mar 27, 2013 6:03 PM

    I read most posts on CFT. I do not post much.

    This is fun, however. I want to put in my 4 letters.


  78. tigersgeaux says: Mar 27, 2013 9:34 PM

    southernpatriots, great to see you on here again…for the moment anyway.

    Now to add my 4 letters also….


  79. be4bama says: Mar 28, 2013 4:41 PM

    By golly I think it worked :-)

  80. Deb says: Mar 29, 2013 5:48 PM

    Have been offline a few days, but here’s mine:


  81. alligatorsnapper says: Mar 29, 2013 5:54 PM

    I’ve been gone as well, extra shift….but


  82. cometkazie says: Mar 29, 2013 6:09 PM

    Be4Bama, I think you have started something.


  83. be4bama says: Mar 29, 2013 6:32 PM

    We need to issue a disclaimer…..BEWARE TROLLS WE CAN MAKE YOU DISAPPEAR!!!!

  84. msamandaskids says: Apr 23, 2013 10:19 PM

    Actually, the 8th amendment has nothing to do with his sentencing! It is the Amendment Prohibiting the federal government (not a city or county court) from imposing excessive bail (which there was none), excessive fines (Oh wait, none) or cruel and unusual punishments (oh, still none), including torture (and again, nada).
    “Oh, they were just trees”…on the contrary…they WERE NOT! He destroyed private property…property that had monetary and emotional value…historical landmarks! He POISONED the ground and illegally dumped chemicals (a violation of numerous city, state, and federal laws…none of which he was charged on). If it were someone’s dog, someone’s farm, someone’s Mercedes he destroyed…would you then think his sentence was enough…or too little? He broke the law, bragged about it and then lied to try and get his disgusting butt out of trouble. He acted like TRASH and He got what he deserved. 3 years was NOT too much. And only having to serve 6 months of it was lenient! He got off easy! You either maintain a persona of integrity, honesty, and self control or, when you make bad choices, you face consequences! I am so tired of people doing STUPID crap like what this man did and thinking “oh, nobody got ‘hurt’ so it’s no big deal”…why can’t people act civilized and proper…he was a baby & a poor sport and pitched a fit when his sports team lost a GAME…LOSER LOSER LOSER! Bet his family is just SOOOOO proud! People like him and people who defend his actions are the reason we fail to become a better society…petty childishness and immaturity.

  85. tigersgeaux says: Apr 23, 2013 11:14 PM


    Kudos and thumbs up! Just as southernpatriots posted, I think this moron will “adopt” some other team and may well do something else stupid and destructive in the future. He seems to repeat his behavior in some way over and over again.

    I think they will give him time served, so that means he only has a little time remaining, and apparently there is no verdict to put him in an institution for examination, diagnosis, and treatment.

  86. cometkazie says: Apr 24, 2013 12:22 PM

    I get a bit out of shape with him being described as a ‘Bama fan.

    I like to think we fans are way above the sort of things he does. In my experience the fanatics usually have not attended the institution they support so vigorously much less graduated from.

    My 2¢, strictly.

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