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Auburn fires back at ESPN’s fake weed story

Spice

And the gloves have come off.

As we wade our way through the morass created by Selena Roberts‘ salacious story alleging misconduct in the Auburn football program, ESPN the Magazine/E:60 released a report Thursday evening alleging a synthetic marijuana — spice — epidemic on the Tigers’ 2010 BCS championship team.  Specifically, the WWL and its sources alleged that a dozen football players from that team failed tests for “the designer drug” and that another dozen players used it but were never caught.

Now, this is where things get interesting.

According to a statement released Thursday night by Auburn attributed to athletic director Jay Jacobs, a test for the fake weed was not made available by the university’s testing company until January 24, 2011; “Auburn added the test to its panel on Jan. 27, 2011,” Jacobs said in his statement.  That addition would’ve come nearly three weeks after AU won its first national championship in over five decades after beating Oregon in the BCS title game.

In August of 2011, seven months after the screening began at Auburn, the NCAA added “spice” to its list of banned substances according to Rivals.com.

Another allegation in the ESPN story was that while Jacobs and then-head coach Gene Chizik were “aware of the football team’s 12 positive tests for synthetic marijuana, they kept the results secret, even from the parents of the players.”  From Jacobs’ statement:

A parent interviewed told ESPN they would have done more to help her son had we done more to let her know he was in trouble. That is incorrect. The facts demonstrate that our coaches and Sports Medicine professionals had regular communication with the parents and that every effort was made to warn our student-athletes about the dangers of synthetic marijuana.

What those facts are that could demonstrate communication are not clear.

Additionally, the parent of a former Auburn football (anonymously) took head-on the accusations by ESPN that positive spice tests were kept secret.  From Rivals.com:


One parent of an Auburn player that tested positive for “spice” during that time period disagrees.

“It’s just false and inaccurate. As a parent, I was notified, so that bumps the fact that no parents were notified,” said one parent that wishes to remain anonymous. “I haven’t seen the ESPN story, but if they said the parents weren’t notified, that’s not true. I was called and I know two other parents that were notified, too.

“I know for sure two, from me seeing them down there. If they notified me and two other parents, if there was anyone else, I’m sure they were told. I don’t understand this.”

So, yes, this is officially a mess.  A mess of media reports counterpunched by an institution that’s had its fair share of scrapes with the investigative arm — such as it is anymore — of the NCAA over the past couple of years.  An NCAA that in no way, shape or form has even a semblance of credibility left to even think about launching yet another investigation while it’s mired in internal ineptness of epic proportions.

And, for those who are interested in full disclosure, below the jump are the two statements released by Auburn Thursday night.  The first is what AU describes as a statement provided to ESPN the Magazine on March 29, the second an open letter to the Auburn family by Jacobs.  Make of them what you will…

After a thorough internal review, the Auburn Athletics Department believes many of the allegations made by the individuals interviewed for this story are baseless and inaccurate.

As the District Attorney told a jury in open court a year ago, Auburn football and Auburn’s policies had nothing to do with what happened the night that four former football players were arrested for armed robbery. Unfortunately, the defendants in this case are simply facing the consequences of their actions.

The facts clearly demonstrate that the Auburn Athletics Department and the Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics acted appropriately and aggressively in response to the growing threat of synthetic marijuana during the 2010-2011 academic year.

Auburn Athletics began testing its student-athletes for synthetic marijuana three days after a test became available. Since our drug testing policy was amended to include synthetic marijuana as a banned substance, there have been three positive tests for the drug out of more than 2,500 drug tests administered.

All of our student-athletes are regularly educated on the harms of all types of substance use and abuse, including synthetic marijuana. In addition to education, any student-athletes who test positive for drugs are required to seek professional counseling.

Auburn Athletics has always and will continue to put the well being of our student-athletes at the forefront of our mission.

____________________

Dear Auburn Family,

You may have seen a story on ESPN.com this evening about the former Auburn football players who were dismissed two years ago for their involvement in an armed robbery.

The story chronicles the former players’ use of synthetic marijuana, which the defendants in the robbery case have used as their primary defense in court. We expect another, more in-depth story to appear in an upcoming print edition of ESPN The Magazine.

We cooperated with ESPN in the story because of how appropriately and aggressively the Auburn Athletics Department and the Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics acted in response to the growing threat of synthetic marijuana during the 2010-2011 academic year.

As a father of three, I sympathize with the parents of the young men who face prison sentences for their alleged involvement in the armed robbery. While they have a right to speak out, I have an obligation to share the facts, which clearly show Auburn Athletics tried to help these former student-athletes.

Some of the statements made in the story are wrong and need to be corrected, while others need to be put into proper context. One player interviewed by ESPN, for example, alleges that up to half of the 2010 football team was using synthetic marijuana. It’s hard to be more wrong than that. The facts and our drug testing results simply do not support such a claim.

A parent interviewed told ESPN they would have done more to help her son had we done more to let her know he was in trouble. That is incorrect. The facts demonstrate that our coaches and Sports Medicine professionals had regular communication with the parents and that every effort was made to warn our student-athletes about the dangers of synthetic marijuana.

Allow me to share with you the facts that we provided to the reporter. Some of them were included in the initial story. Some were not.

• Auburn Athletics began testing for synthetic marijuana three days after our testing company made a test available. A test became available on Jan. 24, 2011, and Auburn added the test to its panel on Jan. 27, 2011.
• Since our drug testing policy was amended to include synthetic marijuana as a banned substance, there have been three positive tests for the drug out of more than 2,500 drug tests administered. Those three individuals are no longer on Auburn Athletics rosters.
• As soon as our Director of Sports Medicine was aware that synthetic marijuana was a drug readily available in convenience stores in the fall of 2010, Auburn Athletics contacted our drug testing company to inquire about whether they had a test for synthetic marijuana and when one would be made available. They did not have a test at the time.
At the same time, our Director of Sports Medicine began education efforts aimed at our coaches and student-athletes.
• Auburn Athletics provided urine samples to the drug testing company to assist them in their efforts to develop a test.
• The Director of Sports Medicine and former Coach Gene Chizik both addressed the football team about the dangers of synthetic marijuana at multiple team meetings in the Fall of 2010, before a test was available. A story about the drug was placed on the locker of every football player on the team.
• Within the first few months of testing, 3 percent of our student-athletes tested positive for synthetic marijuana.
• Phone records show that more than 50 phone calls were made to the parents of two former student-athletes who were interviewed by ESPN.
• The father of one of the student-athletes who was apparently interviewed by ESPN was sent a letter informing him that his son had failed a drug test for regular marijuana two months before the robbery.
• The Auburn Drug Testing/Drug Education Advisory Committee recommended to the Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics that synthetic marijuana be added to the Auburn Athletics drug testing policy on March 14, 2011. The policy change was adopted that day.
• Penalties for the use of synthetic marijuana were put into place for the next academic year beginning in August of 2011. Since it became a banned substance under the drug testing policy, only three student-athletes have tested positive for synthetic marijuana out of more than 2,500 tests administered.

I hope the facts clear up any misconceptions about drug use among our student-athletes. It is important for you to know that Auburn Athletics conducts approximately 1,500 drug tests each academic year. Less than one percent of our student-athletes test positive for illegal substances.

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  1. Slim Charles says: Apr 4, 2013 10:57 PM

    Uh, if this stuff is legal, what are they doing testing for it? I like that nobody is asking that question. Christ, if you’re going to have to submit to drug testing for stuff that isn’t even illegal, you should at least get paid for the privilege. I wonder if they drug test regular students receiving scholarships.

  2. barbeaux says: Apr 4, 2013 11:11 PM

    A lot of stuff that’s technically legal is prohibited in sports and is part of testing.

  3. deadeye says: Apr 4, 2013 11:57 PM

    Auburns title is tainted. It may never get proven to the NCAAs satisfaction. But honestly, does anyone other than Auburn fans actually believe they didn’t break a bunch of rules during the 2010 season?

  4. parkcityute says: Apr 5, 2013 12:05 AM

    Sounds like Auburn had its ducks in a row. Wonder why some of those details were not included in the story I read earlier on line, if Auburn did as they say, provided those details to the reporters?

    I hope there is not an agenda here. Looking for sensationalism? That tends toward “yellow journalism” or “tabloid journalism.” I hope that is not the case here.

  5. normtide says: Apr 5, 2013 12:39 AM

    Parkcityute- I was thinking along the same lines. I am a Bama fan, which is the opposite of an Auburn fan. But, this is looking like a media pile up on the tigers, just for ratings, eyeballs, and website hits. It plays along with the NCAA internal problems and the pay for play push. While Auburn is my rival, I believe in fairness and despise witch hunts. Also, if that’s the case and it succeeds, they WILL continue with other programs. I for one will wait for proof before damning a program.

  6. mcjon22 says: Apr 5, 2013 12:51 AM

    The NCAA won’t do anything to Auburn. You know why? Because SEC teams will start to out each other about what we already know:

    SEC Schools and Boosters stuff the pockets of recruits and members of their schools football teams with what probably amounts to hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, conference wide.

    The NCAA doesn’t WANT to know how ‘business’ is really done in the south. They want to believe It’s just a ‘coincidence’ the SEC has won 7 titles in a row.

  7. Deb says: Apr 5, 2013 1:03 AM

    It shouldn’t surprise anyone that ESPN would try to glom onto another headline-getting story by piling on Auburn. But why dig up this old nonsense about synthetic marijuana and the 2010 team? “Spice” wasn’t illegal in the state or banned by the NCAA during Auburn’s championship season, so it’s irrelevant whether one player, 12, or all of them were using the stuff. Who cares?

    As for what the NCAA can and should do … thanks, JT, for pointing out that the NCAA is a neutered organization with little sanctioning credibility at the moment. But so far, no one has produced any viable evidence of wrongdoing on Auburn’s part. One article, based on sources that have recanted, without corroborating evidence, is not actionable–even for the NCAA.

  8. Deb says: Apr 5, 2013 1:10 AM

    @mcjon22 …

    No, it’s not a coincidence that the SEC has won the last 7 championships. The games haven’t been close. But it says a lot about the quality of Oregon football if they were clobbered by a bunch of spice-heads. LOL

  9. gamustangdude says: Apr 5, 2013 1:27 AM

    Given the fact testing for synthetic weed wasn’t available in 2010 for government employees yet alone colleges and universities, I call BS.

  10. gamustangdude says: Apr 5, 2013 1:36 AM

    @Deb
    I’m with you, the government was still learning and just became aware of this stuff in early 2010. The military in fact couldn’t punish soldiers for smoking it because technically it wasn’t illegal, synthetic weed is not real weed. Late 2010 commanders had to issue policy letters banning synthetic weed, bath salts, etc because there was nothing preventing Soldiers from using them back then.

  11. seanb20124 says: Apr 5, 2013 7:09 AM

    Why are parents being called? I assume most players are over 18. Hippa violation

  12. floridacock says: Apr 5, 2013 7:29 AM

    Shades of the McMartin school trial. This is going to cost the school millions to defend itself from what is sounding like unfounded accusations from thugs trying to defend their criminal actions. Shame on the press if this turns out true. Pity the press can hide behind the 1st amendment when they slander

  13. totallydisgusted says: Apr 5, 2013 8:26 AM

    Unfortunately for the NCAA they won’t be able to keep up with fake weed production and use. All the manufactures have to do is change some of the ingredients and the test isuuseless. I know of at least two other brands call Scooby Snacks and Bizarro.

  14. 11thstreetmafia says: Apr 5, 2013 9:10 AM

    Some schools don’t let their players even use tobacco.

  15. billsboy88 says: Apr 5, 2013 9:33 AM

    That spice stuff is pretty nasty

  16. gatorprof says: Apr 5, 2013 10:22 AM

    ESPN has zero credibility given their recent history…

    1) Bernie Fine
    2) Mike Leach

  17. bucrightoff says: Apr 5, 2013 10:25 AM

    The legality of the “drug” is mostly irrelavent. What this speaks to is a lack of control at Auburn, where players clearly felt like they could get away with irresponsible, quasi-illegal behaviour. More and more will leak out over time and eventually the 2011 BCS National Championship Game will be in the record books as “Vacated” versus “Vacated”.

  18. taintedlombardis says: Apr 5, 2013 10:28 AM

    DEATH PENALTY
    DEATH PENALTY
    DEATH PENALTY
    DEATH PENALTY
    DEATH PENALTY
    DEATH PENALTY
    DEATH PENALTY

  19. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 5, 2013 10:50 AM

    Gatorprof,

    What about the rush to judgement on the Duke Lacrosse team? The media,including ESPN, had the
    boys already being measured for prison stripes and cell assignments.

  20. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 5, 2013 11:17 AM

    BUCrightoff,

    Based on what evidence?

    Conjecture and innuendo?

    The 24 hour/7 day a week sports news cycle is a monster unto itself. It demands that new information feed it’s viewers, right or wrong.

    Look at the Duke rape case…..a rush to judgement that almost cost three young men their futures.

    Look at the Texas Tech situation with Mike Leach. An employee of ESPN, Craig James, used his position as a college football analyst to try to promote his son’s
    playing time as a helicopter dad. Tech went cheap and fired Leach in order to keep
    from paying Leach an $800,000 bonus. Tech hasn’t been the same since.

    Penn State supporters would agree that criminal legal actions against a private
    citizen was blown way out of proportion against the PSU Football team who had nothing to do with the actual crimes committed.

    All to feed the insatiable beast of the sports news cycle.

    Now you have “reports” against Auburn involving the football team. As an Alabama
    supporter, I should relish in my rival’s tribulations. Far from it. I want a responsible investigation into WHAT exactly happened and WHAT exactly transpired. That takes time and extreme patience.

    Answer two simple questions, please?

    Why would a coach like Muschamp allegedly give a $400 to a player with no collaborating witness or evidence and face the aspect of being enjoined by the NCAA to coach ever again in his chosen field? Why do you automatically assume that the player in question is telling the truth?

    Why believe a reporter who was fired by the NY Times for her direct involvement in reporting the Duke Lacrosse fiasco? The NY Times was facing a very healthy lawsuit from the three boys accused in the Duke case and when the feces started to hit the oscillator on her shoddy journalism practices, the Times cut her as part of a
    settlement agreement with the three families. Same with SI.com.

  21. taintedlombardis says: Apr 5, 2013 11:24 AM

    http://www.dawgsports.com/2011/3/31/2082089/auburn-tigers-death-penalty-andrea-kremer-hbo-special-real-sports-cecil-newton-ncaa-investigation

    A wonderful little piece that references the March of 2011 airing of HBOS’s Real Sports reporting that the Auburn Tigers were paying players at least as recently as 2007.

    This is nothing new folks. It’s over for Auburn.

  22. rolltide510 says: Apr 5, 2013 11:52 AM

    Poor auburn. Why do they keep getting singled out? Why does the media pick them to write dozens of stories about? Clearly they’ve never ever ever done anything wrong.

  23. bucrightoff says: Apr 5, 2013 11:57 AM

    Amazing that an AUBURN freaking Grad somehow has an agenda against her own alma matter? I know SEC fans aren’t that smart, but come on. There is so much smoke here the fire is coming eventually. 2010 was Chizik’s only somewhat good season, the rest are mediocre to awful. More than just a coincidence I think.
    Every report or rumour about Auburn is worse than what happend at OSU (and for the record, Ohio State sucks so I ain’t defending them), so it’ll be very interesting to see how this all shakes down. I think you’re delusional if you don’t think these kids, in what is now a billion dollar plus industry, are breaing the rules and the schools, with billions at stake, aren’t going to protect themselves.

  24. Deb says: Apr 5, 2013 12:15 PM

    @taintedlombardis …

    I’m the opposite of an Auburn fan, but that HBO piece was discredited at the time. You must have missed those reports during your orgasmic frenzy over wishing a program the death penalty.

  25. oldforester says: Apr 5, 2013 12:38 PM

    “The man who has won millions at the cost of his conscience is a failure. – B.C. Forbes”

    What lies under all these problems is greed and a loss of a moral connection in pursuit of winning. Money, titles, power – we seek these and corrupt the process and ourselves. WINNING – in pursuit, we become more each day like the mad Charlie Sheen.

  26. rolltide510 says: Apr 5, 2013 12:43 PM

    oldforester, that’s nice and all, but the problem is sans-Cam auburn doesn’t actually win anything.

    Also, your comment sound suspiciously like the sort of fan who assumes his school must be lilly-white since they average 7-5 every year and anybody who is winning must be cheating.

  27. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 5, 2013 12:49 PM

    Bucrightoff.

    Why not ask the Auburn grad as to why she was fired from the NY Times and SI.com?

    The same traits she showed in the Duke case are repeating again in her blog postings with unsubstantiated rumors and conjecture from a former player under felony criminal indictment years after the alleged incident and rebuked by two former
    teammates.

    Actual facts are pesky things.

  28. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 5, 2013 12:59 PM

    rolltide,

    Amen,

    Alabama must be paying it’s players very healthy wages. We’re over signing and grey shirting players in order to corner the National Championship market place. (like no school over signs players).

    Face it, their are segments of today’s society that hate success if they can’t have it for themselves. Watch what happens in the Big Ten when Urban Meyer starts owning that conference. You think Michigan will stand by and let Urban have unfettered success against Michigan and not bring the long knives out?

    Ever think the sports news media actually wants to run with every little bit of news in order to titillate and fill sports programming time and have people tune in?.

  29. oldforester says: Apr 5, 2013 1:24 PM

    Rolltide510 & amosalanzostagg:

    You two make my point. Greed starts slowly with the proud dad sitting behind home plate during a little league game and screaming at the volunteer umpire over bad calls because winning requires bending rules of common decency.
    Why don’t we just follow your rules and say there isn’t any honor in sports, just greed, and all play by the same rules (those that give us an advantage even when it isn’t by the rule book). My point is over exuberant fans like you let your emotion get in the way of reality, you become myopic. Then you poison trees, or take money, or get the recruit’s dad a better job, and you feel good about it. Then when you are challenged, you point at another crook and use them as an example of why what you are doing is OK. You are so deep in the woods you don’t even understand the argument anymore. My fear is that with the NCAA, ESPN, the SEC and other large big conferences leading the way sports answers to money and only money. What is best for sports is subordinate to what makes the most money, and the sport we care about is going down the toilet. Your SEC national championships are worthless if the league and sport is corrupt.

  30. bucrightoff says: Apr 5, 2013 1:30 PM

    amosalanzostagg

    Let me get this straight: Selena Roberts isn’t trustworthy because she doesn’t have a sparkling past? Hmm, so by that logic, Nick Saban isn’t particularly trustworthy, or a man of his word either….but I’m guessing you’ll bend over backwards to defend him and Alabama.

    College sports are inherently corrupt and the NCAA is an inherently corrupt organization…I’m guessng if you dig deep enough half or more of Division 1 prorgrams would be on probation. But thats not good for business now is it?

  31. taintedlombardis says: Apr 5, 2013 2:37 PM

    Discredited huh? Sure, we’ll just take your word for it.

  32. onbucky96 says: Apr 5, 2013 4:25 PM

    Can we find a happy medium? One w/Auburn cheating AND ESPN having to issue an apology/ mea culpa? I hate the SEC with all their arogance. And I’m starting to hate OTL and their sense of importance.

  33. cmart0907 says: Apr 5, 2013 4:52 PM

    You have to be a dummy if you read this whole story.

  34. Deb says: Apr 5, 2013 5:18 PM

    taintedlombardis says:

    Discredited huh? Sure, we’ll just take your word for it.

    ———————————————–
    No, you don’t have to take my word for it. Here you go:

    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_seasonticket/2011/04/what-stanley-mcclover-told-the-ncaa-about-auburn-video.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sports%2Fseasonticket+%28Season+Ticket+|+Sun+Sentinel+blogs%29

    After he went on HBO to spill his guts about how Auburn had outpaid Ohio State for his services, of course NCAA investigators wanted to chat with Stanley McClover about exactly who had paid him and how much he’d been paid. You know … all those little details people provide when they’re telling the truth about criminal wrongdoing. Funny … but McClover couldn’t provide any details. It was also alleged that HBO paid him $20,000 to participate in that story. No one could prove that. But then, no one could prove that Auburn paid him anything either. If he truly wanted to expose this scandal–as he claimed–why didn’t he give the details to the NCAA when he had the chance?

    Don’t worry, dear. I understand if all that’s over your head. But most people consider his unwillingness to provide any details to backup the tale he told HBO to have discredited the whole story.

  35. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 5, 2013 6:34 PM

    bucright,

    Huge difference between Roberts and Saban, Roberts was fired for extremely shoddy journalism practices that came very close to costing three men their actual
    lives. She didn’t even try to do the 4w’s and 1h.

    Why not ask her why she was fired from the NY Times and SI.com and now has to resort to blog writing? Why can’t she honestly answer the question on a job application when asked “Have you ever been party a to legal actions in which you or your employer has had mediation, settlement or by trial. If so, please explain.”

    Since you cannot defend her, you attack Saban. What has Saban done wrong other than leave a job that warrants the attacks on him? Jealous perhaps? Three National Championships in the last three years? I take it you have never had much success in rising up in organizations if you have never had an outside job opportunity in which your boss confronts you on rumblings of an outside job interview.

    You would tell the truth and get fired and have your reputation besmirched by a vindictive ex boss who would look to destroy your career. Saban lied when he was asked if he was interviewing for the Alabama job. He was protecting his interest and that of his family. You would be less than truthful if you say you would not have done the same thing. Saban left the Dolphins because he could not control player acquisition and development, either through the draft or free agency. Any coach would want to be able to recruit and develop his own talent.

    Face it, you’re jealous of Alabama’s and the SEC’s success.

    Roll Tide

  36. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 5, 2013 6:58 PM

    Old Forrester,

    Far from the truth. I was being sarcastic.

    Old, Tell me in your infinite wisdom exactly what an athletic compliance office does within a University program? Exactly how large is the compliance manual? How much continuing education is required by the staff and coaching staffs in order comply with NCAA and federal laws? Have you ever worked in an Athletic Department?

    What has Alabama done that is illegal? A private citizen who happened to be a Bama fan poisoned the tree at Auburn and was indicted, tried and convicted of his crime. You allege money has changed hands in paying athletes. Where is your proof? Answer, you have none.

    As to the stories of a recruit’s dad being offered a job, explain why a dad cannot take a job in which he is qualified for to be close to his son? I take it you’re
    talking about the Dr who was interviewed for a position at MSU because his son was being recruited away from Clemson. Dad cannot make a decision impacting his
    life based on his own job qualifications?

    Finally, tell me old wise one, just what does the NCAA do with all that money?
    Answer, you are clueless. The NCAA is bigger than the BCS and the power conferences. It is Div II and Div III schools that have programs that are FUNDED
    by the NCAA contracts with CBS, Fox, ESPN and NBC. It is Title IX that allows young ladies to attend college and obtain an education.

    Are you so myopic that you would begrudge a college diploma to a worthy student
    athlete regardless of race, color, creed or sexual preference? For all of the 600,000
    students in NCAA programs? There is an unsavory word that describes you and from your posting it fits you to a t.

    Jealousy is one of the 7 deadly sins for a reason.

    Roll Tide.

  37. Deb says: Apr 5, 2013 8:10 PM

    Yeah! Roll Tide!

  38. dcroz says: Apr 5, 2013 8:24 PM

    Here’s Saturday Down South’s take on it:

    http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/auburn-pot-report/

    So, if synthetic marijuana was not illegal at the time these players were supposed to have taken it (at ANY level: school, state, federal, or NCAA) then what rule was broken?

    If there is nothing that makes synthetic marijuana a performance-enhancing drug (and I would tend to think it would be a performance-inhibiting drug) then how was this in any way cheating?

    The thing that makes me the most upset about this: it’s forcing me as an Alabama fan to defend Auburn.

  39. normtide says: Apr 5, 2013 8:29 PM

    I read a nice article on this. Auburn is the most vulnerable of the SEC BCS champions. With the SEC fatigue sweeping the nation, people are trying to punch holes in the domination. You can accuse anyone of anything, all you have to do is proclaim yourself a journalist.

  40. alligatorsnapper says: Apr 5, 2013 9:49 PM

    dcroz: Don’t be so hard on yourself. I remember the patriarch in the southernpatriots family posting several times defense of Ole Miss and Tulane (though he did serve there for awhile). What is fair, is fair.

    This Selena Roberts, is she the one fired from the NYT and from SI for her false reporting and smear of the Duke team lacrosse team and years after that she still did not admit how wrong she was? Shouldn’t that go to her credibility?

  41. Deb says: Apr 5, 2013 11:14 PM

    Wow … made a cursory effort at looking up some bio info on Roberts and saw that she was among many who jumped on the Nifong bandwagon re the Duke story. But I didn’t see anything about her being fired from SI and the Times for her reporting on the lacrosse team. If that’s true, her stuff must have been way out there. And yes … it would go to her journalistic credibility, as does her interviewing Auburn officials without telling them the true subject of her story.

  42. taintedlombardis says: Apr 6, 2013 7:20 AM

    Hey dumb dumb
    The kid already snitched. Him clamming up doesn’t discredit a thing. Sort of like witnesses against organized crime. But if players/ex-players aren’t willing to be the guy that ends the gravy train, it’ll never stop.

    There is a lot of stupid and suspension of disbelief in the South.

  43. taintedlombardis says: Apr 6, 2013 7:42 AM

    And when you typed “most people”, I think you meant SEC fans.

  44. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 6, 2013 10:48 AM

    Deb,

    Roberts was “discharged” as part of a settlement agreement reached by the NY Times and the three families of the boys in the Duke Lacrosse case. The final straw was her involvement in the A-Rod expose in which she exhibited the same traits.

    The New York Yankees are considered the face of New York and with the Giants. They do not like negative press based on innuendo much like any other person or organization.

    The Times and SI.com merely discharged her and let her make her own way. She probably can never use either as character references.

  45. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 6, 2013 10:56 AM

    tainted lombardis,

    So a lie by a kid facing up to 21 years in the slammer and cannot be substantiated by collaborating witnesses or actual facts is to be taken as gospel?

    Even a witness against organized crime has to stand up in court under and affirm what he has disclosed.

    You are assuming guilt because the SEC has been the dominant conference in the
    BCS football championship s for the pass seven years.

    Face it, you are jealous of the success of the SEC and rather than enjoy excellence on the field, you much rather throw stones.

    Roll Tide

  46. hrudey says: Apr 6, 2013 3:09 PM

    So how soon until the NCAA’s enforcement arm “hires” the attorneys for the kids facing charges for armed robbery to conduct depositions about the spice and illegal payments to players?

  47. Deb says: Apr 6, 2013 5:18 PM

    @taintedlombardis …

    Right. Mafia informants routinely do HBO interviews only to clam up when questioned privately. They’re not at all frightened by the prospect of making their claims on national television, but they’re terrified about repeating them behind closed doors.

    So thankful we slow Southerners can be schooled by such a sharp cookie.

  48. Deb says: Apr 6, 2013 5:20 PM

    Um, no, tainted … when I typed “most people,” I meant people with working brains. Yes, that did automatically exclude you.

  49. Deb says: Apr 6, 2013 5:20 PM

    @amos …

    Thank you for the info!!

  50. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 6, 2013 7:28 PM

    hrudey says: Apr 6, 2013 3:09 PM

    So how soon until the NCAA’s enforcement arm “hires” the attorneys for the kids facing charges for armed robbery to conduct depositions about the spice and illegal payments to players?
    _________________________________________________
    hrudley,

    Why would the NCAA do that? Hire attorneys for an individual under felony indictment for crimes committed as a private citizen. What crime did Auburn University commit on a substance that wasn’t even on the NCAA banned substance list? What proof do you have that any money exchanged hands. Taking your logic further, since supposedly Auburn out bid Ohio State for the alleged criminal’s services, why not “hire” attorneys to investigate Ohio State for payment to the alleged criminal. I mean where there is smoke there is fire. Ohio State is already on probation and the NCAA would love to shut down a multiple offender, right?

    There is fortunately, due process. It is tedious and extremely hard work.

    The alleged criminal had his chance to come clean with the NCAA and he couldn’t
    remember detail or dates. He said nothing. He didn’t even have an attorney. His associates have rebuked Roberts in her expose saying that she misquoted them out of context and also said certain items where left out in the article.

    So we have an individual who is known not to tell the truth, Roberts, alleging payments to the indicted allege criminal, but she cannot provide any documentation nor collaborate his story with multiple sources. That is journalism
    101. The 4W’s and an H.

    She was discharged with reason from the NY Times and SI,com. With all the new
    sports networks coming on board, Comcast, and the old line, ESPN, Fox, CBS et
    al, you would think that they would want a best selling author on their staffs.

    I wonder why she hasn’t landed anywhere but her own month old blog? Could it be
    that everyone knows she is a lawsuit waiting to happen? Nah, Roberts would NEVER write a story that wasn’t true, would she?

    The wheels of justice grind slow, but they do grind fine.

    Roll Tide

  51. taintedlombardis says: Apr 6, 2013 11:39 PM

    Deb the Dense (mentally and physically), you took my comparison far too literally. Both are simply instances where intimidation and being labeled a snitch prevent people from disclosing the truth. I never said anything close to what you claim.

    I also find the persecution complex of SEC fans hilarious. Everytime charges are brought or accusations are made, it’s “jealousy” or “SEC fatigue.” We have simply just grown tired of the most corrupt conference in a corrupt NCAA. NCAA Championships are meaningless at this point.

  52. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 7, 2013 9:46 AM

    tainted,

    Riddle me this, A person under a felony criminal indictment makes an accusation of being paid money by an individual in authority, yet when given the chance to tell the “truth” to responsible authorities who could not charge him with any crime, he cannot provide even a shred of collaborating evidence nor witnesses to the event in question? Some credibility.

    As to a persecution complex, na, we just enjoy winning by playing by the rules and letting our performance on the athletic court, course or field speak for itself. I know in your simple mind you cannot comprehend that Alabama is defending Auburn. That is what the SEC is about, we may hate each other on the field of play, but they are our brothers until the end, each school.

    You’ve grown tired because you can’t compete and rather than work hard and try to build a program, you much rather denigrate those that do succeed. Why not put some big boy pants on and actually grow a set rather than whine like a petulant child who is screaming “It’s not fair! I’m taking my ball home and telling Mummy and Daddie about you!”

    As to Saban winning another National Championship with Alabama, I don’t know if he will simply because the SEC is so tough. I do thank him for what he has done for the school. As to the situation at Auburn, all we want is the truth. If they broke the rules, then they should suffer the consequences, but do it responsibly, not by innuendo and conjecture as the discredited Roberts as tried to do.

    Tainted, answer a simple question,who is your college or University team you support? I guarantee that should they win an NCAA national championship trophy, you’d be the first one out celebrating, hypocrite.

    Roll Tide

  53. taintedlombardis says: Apr 7, 2013 10:29 AM

    amosalanzolstagg,

    The book of a post is a joke. Nobody believes the SEC plays by the rules. Nobody believes the teams of the SEC “build” their programs. They buy them. (except for it’s mentally handicapped fanbase, it’s either denial or just astounding levels of stupidity)

  54. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 7, 2013 11:28 AM

    Tainted,

    Says you. What proof do you have?

    Crickets

    You can’t win,so you have to TRY to take someone
    down. I pity your pathetic, lonesome life.

    Roll Tide 15 and counting.

  55. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 7, 2013 11:35 AM

    Tainted,

    Do try harder. Think you can, Think you can, now go ask Mummie for some cookies and milk,

  56. taintedlombardis says: Apr 7, 2013 4:37 PM

    Proof? Let’s take a brief look at Alabama, your favorite team. They are habitual offenders. It’s the culture.

    http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2009/06/12/746599/a-timeline-of-alabamas-ncaa-problems.html

  57. dcroz says: Apr 7, 2013 5:44 PM

    taintedlombardis:

    Yeah, I’m impressed by that article. Anything that not only draws out individual violations into six to eight separate entries, but also includes Mike DuBose’s affair with a secretary just to make this list of “NCAA Troubles” even longer, convinces me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you know what you are talking about.

    (That was sarcasm, by the way, in case you weren’t able to figure it out.)

    So what we have are three well-publicized violations that involve:

    1) a player who was already on the team (a junior, in fact) who signed with an agent immdiately after the biggest game of his life, realized he made a mistake, and the school did not follow correct procedure for his reinstatement;

    2) the paying for a player by an Alabama supporter who had no connection to the school (Logan Young was a Vanderbilt grad); and

    3) the abuse of athletic scholarships to pay for the books of friends of athletes, even though the athletes themselves received no financial compensation or advantage from it.

    Alabama was in the wrong on all these and was punished for it. But only the second one could be truly called “cheating” in that it involved the recruitment of a player. And not for nothing, but the last entry on this list–the scholarship abuse–was discovered in 2007 and had started in 2005. Saban has not had any investigations or even formal accusations from anything he has done since he has been in Tuscaloosa; in fact, he is the one who cleaned up the compliance department and has been the most vocal about following NCAA procedures.

    In any case, what do any of these incidents have to do with the state of Alabama’s program now? How does the issue of Antonio Langham’s situation twenty years ago affect how Alabama has won three BCS titles in the last four years? What does the Albert Means case from over a decade ago have to do with Saban having top-three recruiting classes every year the last six years running? How does the problem with the abuse of athletic scholarships from six years ago influence the Tide’s continuing run as the top college football program in country? Do you have an answer beyond your standard juvenile “everyone knows they are cheating” response?

    Oh, and one more thing: I believe amosalonzostagg asked you which program it is YOU cheer for. But, you still have not answered. We Tide fans have been vocal about who we support and opened ourselves up for scrutiny from people such as yourself; you, on the other hand, continue to hide in fandom anonymity. Why is that? You don’t want any kind of reciprocity…or is your program’s history far from squeaky-clean itself?

  58. Deb says: Apr 7, 2013 6:16 PM

    taintedlombardis …

    Yes, it’s perfectly logical that someone worried about being labeled a snitch would go on national television to tell his story … then balk at providing details in private. Please let me know when you reach China in this hole-digging exercise.

    And kudos on the creative insults. No other male on the football blogs has ever thought to call the female regular fat and stupid. As long as you’re test-driving the old gems, would you like me to make you a sandwich as well?

  59. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 7, 2013 9:30 PM

    Deb, dcroz, and all the knowledgable CFT posters,

    Forgive tainted for he knows not what he does.

    (1.) He has never known success neither in his personal, business or social life. He posts to inflame. Like the Bard said “all sound and fury signifying nothing.”

    (2.) His only success in life is aimless and vapid
    posts in which if he can’t be successful, denigrate those that are. I asked him to provide proof of cheating and paying athletes under Saban, What does he provide? Ancient history in the fast and furious world of NCAA compliance. Decade old
    incidents in which Alabama accepted their penalties
    like men.

    Posters like Tainted are to be pitied for the pathetic soul less people they are. Life is met to be enjoyed and cherished. Each day is a gift.

    Roll Tide

    PS Bama will win another national championship before your team will. BTW did you ever answer the question as to who you actually support?
    University of Phoenix I bet.

  60. taintedlombardis says: Apr 8, 2013 12:10 PM

    If you must know, my college is Maryland, even though that is completely immaterial to the argument; however, that does make me infinitely more successful than the typical idiot SEC fan. Asking “what college are you a fan of then?” is part of the predictable SEC fan’s playbook, which can be summed up as the following whenever allegations are brought.

    1. Always attack the source.
    2. Require an inordinate amount of proof.

    I mean seriously, if you think Saban is clean…well that is indicative of your education level and intelligence (which by all metrics lags heavily in that area of the country). Just like in 2010 when I predicted what is happening to Auburn now, Alabama (a repeat offender and historically dirty program) will offend again and get caught. The one thing Alabama has going for them is a willing press corps in Tuscaloosa. Let’s see how long they can keep up appearances. I mean for god sakes, we are taking about the state university of Alabama, a state that is an embarrassment and eye sore to the United States.

    I don’t even think it’s denial, because with this much smoke, you know it’s all a facade…but you SEC fans need something, anything to cling to. I guess it’s just the misery of the South, and football is something you can actually win at under the current system.

  61. Deb says: Apr 8, 2013 12:43 PM

    Maryland? Well … that certainly explains the screen name LOL

  62. hrudey says: Apr 8, 2013 3:00 PM

    @amosalonzostagg: Two quick responses:

    1. no ‘l’ in my username. But close enough is fine.

    2. You missed the point – I wasn’t suggesting that there was or is or should be good reason for the NCAA to investigate Auburn based on these comments. I was just making what I hoped was an obvious reference to the NCAA’s handling of the Miami case. As the NCAA’s conduct with that situation demonstrates, “good reason” is nowhere in the 185-step decision making process of the NCAA in the first place.

  63. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 8, 2013 11:12 PM

    Tainted,

    Thank you.

    Now what proof do you have of Alabama cheating now under Saban? Using your parameters, Maryland
    is historically corrupt because of Bob Wade and Randy Edsall? What about Lefty Driesell and Dick Dull in the Len Bias death? Lefty having his player sanitized Bias’s room so no drugs would be found.
    Dick Dull allowing bias to play and use all his eligibility yet some how be 21 hours short of his degree.

    Is Maryland still corrupt?

  64. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 8, 2013 11:36 PM

    Tainted,

    Heavens no, we never attack an individual who is rational, educated and is willing to hold a civil discourse. Notice I said civil, not Sybill, which would apply in your case.

    When you come in and attack people such as Deb with your “dense” comment, we’ll punch a bully lifk you in the nose VERY hard.

    When you attack a school and a conference with antiquated, bigoted conceptions as you did in assuming SEC schools are, I’ll say backward and ignorant, and not equal to your suppose intellect, we’ll punch the bully in the nose VERY hard.

    All we ask for is facts. Facts are pesky things. Facts are the basis of actually formulating an honest answer, not the conjecture and innuendo that you assume to be a fact.

    You got you panties all tied up in a knot because we asked you to merely support
    your position. We now Know you support a historically corrupt school in the University of Maryland, great! Welcome to the club of historically corrupt athletic
    programs. Now, what has Saban done illegally since his time at Alabama?

    Hello?………anyone there?

    Is this mike on?

    sigh, I guess tainted doesn’t have anything now, but give him four years and he’ll
    say “I told you so!”

    Roll Tide

  65. taintedlombardis says: Apr 9, 2013 4:26 PM

    “•At LSU, an academic fraud scandal emerged in the football program under then-coach Nick Saban in 2001-02. Emmert oversaw an investigation into the allegations made by a university instructor that eventually acknowledged five minor and isolated violations and declared most of the claims “unfounded.”

    Emmert even met on LSU’s behalf with the NCAA, which accepted LSU’s findings. But after Emmert decided to leave LSU in 2004, a witness testified in a deposition that the instructor was telling the truth and that the problems were far more systemic than the school admitted, even extending to grades being changed for football players, according to court records.

    The culture was “appalling” and “like Romper Room,” the employee said in 2004 testimony.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/02/ncaa-president-emmert-previous-cases-uconn-lsu/2047607/

    And the hits just keep coming. Has an entire conference ever received the death penalty?

  66. taintedlombardis says: Apr 9, 2013 4:31 PM

    “The NCAA accepted LSU’s findings in May 2004 and declined to put the school on probation. But the two female accusers had sued LSU, claiming they were forced from their jobs at the university in retaliation for blowing the whistle on the powerful football program.

    Shortly after the NCAA case was settled and Emmert announced he was leaving for Washington, another LSU academic counseling employee backed up the women’s claims under oath, saying there were numerous examples of favoritism for football players in academics, including changed grades and having papers typed for them, according to court documents obtained by USA TODAY Sports.

    LSU later paid the two women more than $110,000 each to settle their lawsuits.

  67. Deb says: Apr 9, 2013 7:52 PM

    @amos …

    That “Sybil” line was priceless!

  68. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 9, 2013 11:54 PM

    taintedlombardis wrote on: Apr 9, 2013 4:26 PM

    “•At LSU, an academic fraud scandal emerged in the football program under then-coach Nick Saban in 2001-02. Emmert oversaw an investigation into the allegations made by a university instructor that eventually acknowledged five minor and isolated violations and declared most of the claims “unfounded.”

    Emmert even met on LSU’s behalf with the NCAA, which accepted LSU’s findings. But after Emmert decided to leave LSU in 2004, a witness testified in a deposition that the instructor was telling the truth and that the problems were far more systemic than the school admitted, even extending to grades being changed for football players, according to court records.

    The culture was “appalling” and “like Romper Room,” the employee said in 2004 testimony.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/02/ncaa-president-emmert-previous-cases-uconn-lsu/2047607/

    And the hits just keep coming. Has an entire conference ever received the death penalty?
    ___________________________

    So? LSU is part of the historically corrupt programs like Alabama and your University of Maryland. You still haven’t answered the question originally asked of
    you. What proof do yo have that Saban has cheated or paid players since arriving at Alabama?

    Tainted, I know it is hard to concentrate with all the multiple personalities you have and really hope the bullying and anger management sessions are working out for you. I know, I know, you don’t have to thank me.

    But for you to get past the angst that your beloved Maryland is a historically corrupt program like Alabama and HAS NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT, is the reason you hate the SEC. You see the SEC is the equalivant of having a family reunion at Destin with hot wives, great families and a great time. You on the other hand, are from a family reunion where the cops show up and you’re telling the cops, “I’ll cut ya!” as they taser you. Maryland had to go to the B1G because the eastern division needed somebody to schedule for homecoming victories.

    So please follow Dr’s orders and stop bullying women and may be you’ll avoid what happened to Jack Nicholson in “One flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest”, better known as Lefty Driesell’s having his players sanitized a crime scene.

    Remember answer the question!!!

    From one historically corrupt program to another

    Roll Tide

  69. tigersgeaux says: Apr 10, 2013 10:32 AM

    amos:

    YOU are funny! Just read the thread, and you are just having TOO MUCH FUN!

  70. taintedlombardis says: Apr 10, 2013 1:30 PM

    To compare Maryland to Alabama with regards to malfeasance puts your idiocy on display. Southerners are like intellectual punching bags.

    I really can’t tell if you’re 13 or if you’re 31. Your entire post was nothing but hot air. The point of my previous post was that Alabama’s current coach changed grades. Enjoy.

    He gets paid a lot of money because he’s really good at what he does. He’s not an X’s and O’s kind of guy, he’s an avoid sanctions kind of guy. That’s what he excels at. That’s why his NFL career was a complete disaster.

  71. taintedlombardis says: Apr 10, 2013 1:31 PM

    I think this sums up Saban’s “institutional control” while at LSU:

    “The culture was “appalling” and “like Romper Room,” the employee said in 2004 testimony.”

  72. normtide says: Apr 10, 2013 1:57 PM

    If it’s so easy to sum all us southerners up, why is it taking you so many words?

  73. Deb says: Apr 10, 2013 5:01 PM

    Nick Saban’s not an Xs and Os kind of guy? tainted, your posts gets more amusing and more nonsensical every day. Your meds must be wearing off.

  74. taintedlombardis says: Apr 10, 2013 5:24 PM

    har har har Deb, you so funny and original.

    The only thing valid in all the posts I’ve read on here (other than my own dominating posts) is amosalanzostagg finally admitting that Alabama is corrupt. It’s the first step in the process.

  75. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 10, 2013 7:32 PM

    Taintedlobotomy.

    I love to see unintelligent people like you rise to a bait like a trout to a lure. It is so predictable. like the sun coming up in the morning.

    First of all keep trying, just maybe the meds may work for you.

    Second, Alabama is corrupt but Maryland isn’t? Lefty Driesell has his players sanitize a crime scene to get drugs out of Len Bias’s room is an average occurrence that happens daily at Maryland?

    Third, Academic fraud is isn’t Maryland AD Dick Dull allowing Bias to complete his “academic” eligibility yet be 21 hours short of a degree?

    Such an esteemed institution as the University of Maryland to cover up criminal
    activity and academic fraud, tsk, tsk, tsk.

    Maryland is corrupt.

    Alabama on the other hand is pure compared to Maryland,has three National Championships in football and continues to graduate it’s football players at a 77% graduation rate.

    Oh, a coach can’t change grades, but keep on trying!

    BTW Taintedlobotomy, What proof do you have of Saban cheating at Alabama and paying players? Still waiting for your answer. Not four years from now, today.

    oh, what is Maryland’s grad rates?

    Roll Tide.

  76. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 10, 2013 7:54 PM

    tigersgeaux wrote on: Apr 10, 2013 10:32 AM

    amos:

    YOU are funny! Just read the thread, and you are just having TOO MUCH FUN!
    _______________________________

    tiger,

    To paraphrase one of my favorite movies, “Goodfellas”

    “What is so f*****g funny about me? Do I amuse you? Do I make you laugh? Just what is it about me that makes me funny?” (Joe Pesci voice)

    tiger, seriously, Mental midgets like taintedlobotomy are a dime a dozen. They know nothing. They opine to the lowest common denominator and like bullying people behind a screen. Take Deb. Nice person, very intelligent and can handle herself most eloquently with reasoned and thoughtful prose. Taintedlobotomy insults hers as a way to try to enhance his credibility. Pathetic.

    Taintedlobotomy means nothing. Tormenting his troubled soul makes me Happy,
    Happy, Happy……..and yes, it is like setting a lure right out in front of a trout and knowing taintedlobotomy will rise to the bait EVERY time. I’ve set another lure in my previous post.

    Roll Tide

    LSU is reloading aren’t they?

  77. taintedlombardis says: Apr 10, 2013 8:46 PM

    What a SEC circle jerk this has devolved into. You losers obviously acquire much more bravado in packs. Deb, who is most likely a man, threw the first stone BTW.

    But keep playing from the SEC’s fan playbook. I see we’ve moved onto false equivalency which is an extension of the “everybody does it” defense. Len Bias (one of the greatest prospects of all time) is ancient history and I can’t explain away Maryland’s actions like many SEC fans do for their teams. But then again, that was basketball. This is CFT.

    Coaches can’t change grades. But for many Universities, you can be damn sure the highest paid employee can make it happen.

  78. Deb says: Apr 10, 2013 9:42 PM

    Poor, poor taintedlombardis. In addition to being a bad sport, a football simpleton, and a regional bigot, you’re also too sexist to imagine that women enjoy football. Hope you’re sitting down … tigersgeaux is female, too.

    Oh, I threw the first stone? So your all-caps DEATH PENALTY twist on Nicholson’s madman from The Shining–which you posted on every thread on this topic–shouldn’t have been considered a stone? Right. Just like you brushing off Len Bias as ancient history shouldn’t be considered an example of you explaining away Maryland’s actions the way SEC fans explain away the actions of their schools. Got it.
    :lol:

  79. tigersgeaux says: Apr 10, 2013 9:43 PM

    amos:

    One of my favorite families (friends of the patriarch and matriarch of southernpatriots family) who reside with their beards in West Monroe, Louisiana, have a saying, at least Phil, the patriarch in that family, does–

    “Happy, happy, happy!”

    My father and brother used to get bent out of shape about college and pro football. Sometimes, I thought they would have a heart attack or stroke. Finally, one did and they took it a lot easier after that to the present day.

    I think you caught him again. You need to come down here to south Louisiana. You’d fill your tags for gators quickly! You’d know what bait they bite at.

  80. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 10, 2013 10:21 PM

    Taintedlobotomy,

    taintedlombardis wrote at: Apr 10, 2013 8:46 PM

    What a SEC circle jerk this has devolved into. You losers obviously acquire much more bravado in packs. Deb, who is most likely a man, threw the first stone BTW.

    But keep playing from the SEC’s fan playbook. I see we’ve moved onto false equivalency which is an extension of the “everybody does it” defense. Len Bias (one of the greatest prospects of all time) is ancient history and I can’t explain away Maryland’s actions like many SEC fans do for their teams. But then again, that was basketball. This is CFT.

    Coaches can’t change grades. But for many Universities, you can be damn sure the highest paid employee can make it happen.
    ____________________________________________

    Taintedlobotomy,

    Na, we just have actual facts on our side.

    Fact One. Lefty Driesell had Len Bias’s room sanitized for drugs so it would not implicate pristine Maryland. (Criminal coverup, tampering with a crime scene, in other words, corrupt)

    Fact Two. Maryland AD Dick Dull used Len Bias as a commodity and allowed him to play was he was academically ineligible to play from his sophomore year on. Used all his athletic eligibility, yet leaves him academically deficient by 21 hours (Academic FRAUD)

    Fact Three. You are a bully. When bullies get punched back, they get defensive and cannot answer simple questions put to them. Sort of like, “What proof do you have that Saban is cheating and paying players at Alabama.” You have yet to provide a
    modicum of proof, all conjecture.

    Fact Four. You attacked a woman. Deb is all woman and has more class and intelligence than you could ever dream of. Your line in the your post shows how just insecure and socially inept you actually are

    “Deb, who is most likely a man, threw the first stone BTW”

    It also shows that people like you who live in glass houses should know that
    pay back is a b****.

    Fact Five. Maryland is corrupt, you don’t like to admit it but it is corrupt. If Maryland is so pristine, so moral, so upright, then why not pay the exit fee to the ACC that they agreed to when the new additions came on board to the ACC? Oh, I forgot “Everyone else does it” so that gives Maryland the right to walk away from a duly executed legal contract,correct?

    Fact Six. Contrary to what Maryland says that the move to the B1G was to align Maryland with academic institutions much along the standards that Maryland
    has. RIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHT (Dr Evil voice). Maryland went for the money because they are greedy and corrupt.

    Fact Seven. Grade tampering is a federal offense, particularly with Pell Grant
    recipients. Ask Galen Hall and what happened at Florida. Again, you have no proof
    against Saban while at LSU, just the innuendo that “the highest paid employee can make it happen.”

    You can take your ball home now and tell Mummie and Daddie about those
    big bad boys down the block from the SEC scared you. Make sure you tell Mummie
    and Daddie that you bullied a girl in order to explain the bloodied nose. Make
    sure that you take your meds and enjoy being the Homecoming game of both divisions in the B1G.

    Oh, I’d ask Maryland for a refund if you obtained your degree from there. No critical thinking skills are evident. Cogent thought is non existent. and you sure as
    h*** can’t play well with others since you bullied a girl.

    Roll Tide
    2013 National BCS Football Champions (and counting)

    PS- what are the Maryland grad rates?
    .

  81. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 10, 2013 10:40 PM

    Tiger,

    My best friend is from New Orleans. Love Louisiana from the bayous, to the food, to the people. I just have one problem every year and I just drink the pepto all week before and after.

    What I have found out is that people from Louisiana will be your best friends or worst enemies. it all depends on how you treat them. Treat them like you would want to be treated, and they’ll do anything. I still have life long friends from business over there and when they had multiple problems from the series of hurricanes and funds went south because insurance wasn’t covering things. I quietly helped them out financially until they could get back on their feet.

    The look on their faces was one I will cherish until the day I die. My reward was weight gain from the care packages they would send over with their son who was
    working in Houston.

    Roll Tide and Geaux tigers(LSU) not Auburn lol

  82. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 10, 2013 10:55 PM

    Taintedlobotomy,

    The $110,000 each employee received was settlement for a severance package from the University because of tenure and length of service. It’s available to all employees when they retire or leave for another job.

    For employees to obtain the really big money for wrongful discharge, the employees would have to reported the actions as they were occurring and to provide continuing documented reports to the University Compliance Officer, not the Athletic compliance officer. Under federal guidelines, they become protected and can obtain millions in damages.

    The ladies came forward on the wrongful discharge after the fact on the release of the NCAA sanctions. Their roles were with women and spring sports. They repeated what was told to them by other people.

    Again, Taintedlobotomy, actual facts are pesky things.

    Roll Tide

  83. taintedlombardis says: Apr 10, 2013 11:14 PM

    Pay back? You sound like a babbling idiot with the grade school level insults. I almost expect to read “nana nana boo boo, stick your head in doo doo” in your next post (you will respond). Keep on repeating yourself and making invalid arguments. Maryland has nothing to do with Alabama, and as I previously stated, Bama’s rap sheet is hella long. There’s a history and a pattern.

    You don’t actually address anything with an articulate position, you just try to spin like a top. So please don’t get dizzy and fall on your sister. America doesn’t need anymore “uncle-daddy’s”. All of this is to be expected however, especially from some dumb hick that refers to Deb’s posts as “prose”. What an insult to prose.

    http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/agent-ralph-cindrich-nick-saban-pay-for-play/148079

    There’s an insider’s account of Nick Saban. Now I already know how you’ll react so no need to write another rambling post. Eventually something will leak out of Tuscaloosa that’s concrete, and Alabama will be sanctioned again.

  84. tigersgeaux says: Apr 10, 2013 11:25 PM

    The past hurricane really caught us off guard, not expecting a low level Cat. 1 or 2 to bring so much water and flood so many people, including us.

    I did not know quite what to do about it all, I was just sitting there feeling bad about it all, and then I received a call from the matriarch of the southernpatriots family. She told me how she and her husband, a physician, were starting a outdoor feeding area and would provide information and assistance to those who were flooded out, without electricity, etc. Once I got there, my life and outlook about all that changed. I was able to help others. Help serve food, help collect and sort items and then give them out. Some areas remain dead after Katrina, some areas have not been repaired since the last storm.

    alligatorsnapper works near Houston in the oil industry with UT and TAMU grads/fans. ha.

    I work in the only refinery in the US that actually has expanded in the past 40 years. I enjoy the work, knowing what I am doing is helping moderate prices of gasoline by having the refinery capacity we do have. We need new refineries but my company has applied for them as have many others but no permits have been granted.

    This one game each regular season is a big one for my family, fellow supervisors and all the techs and engineers, and everyone I know. I usually pop Rolaids but this this year, I will increase the potency to X-tra Strength Mylanta or something similar….ha. The thing that helps us all get through it– is a sense of humor.

    Southernpatriots extended family try every year to find something to smoke in an open pit which would resemble Big Al or an elephant. So far, the best we have done is whole hog , but they already do that for Arkansas. Maybe a goat…ha. just kidding.

  85. Deb says: Apr 10, 2013 11:52 PM

    tigersgeaux …

    If you’re looking for something that would resemble an elephant, maybe you should go with half a side of beef. At least that would give you the size and would differ from the Arkansas feast. You could toss on some sausage for the trunk–all in good fun, of course.

    Oh poor tainted person …

    Did you really ridicule amos for his grade-school insults just before telling him Bama’s rap sheet is “hella long”? Please give up while you’re behind … although it has been entertaining.

  86. tigersgeaux says: Apr 11, 2013 9:39 AM

    Deb:

    “Oh poor tainted person …” Amos does not have a monopoly on humor on this thread…poor baby…:) May we all keep our sense of humor about all this stuff, especially football.

    I will relay your suggestion on the side of beef to the family that does this open pit smoking. Two seasons ago they did it prior to the Arkansas game. Prior to that game LSU really had some most difficult and often losing games with AR. It appeared the team would overlook the last game of the season and AR was highly motivated and the results reflected it.

    That season, southernpatriots family (and it takes the whole family and others) did a whole hog open pit roast. It was quite an endeavor. The news stations and papers, etc. had some slow news days and they came out and many captions or mast heads read something like “Will this new tradition bring about a win for LSU?” LSU won. Now, it is expected by the LSU fans (and media) who start talking about the next roast before the last one was over.

  87. Deb says: Apr 11, 2013 7:43 PM

    @tigersgeaux …

    Yes, humor and prayer can conquer almost anything :)

    Oh dear … hope my suggestion doesn’t give LSU a leg up on Bama! LOL Sounds like you have mighty good eating on game days. I’m not a sausage fan, but loved andouille sausage when I visited New Orleans. Bet they could do something tasty with that combination!

  88. amosalanzostagg says: Apr 11, 2013 7:55 PM

    taintedlobotomy wrote on: Apr 10, 2013 11:14 PM

    Pay back? You sound like a babbling idiot with the grade school level insults. I almost expect to read “nana nana boo boo, stick your head in doo doo” in your next post (you will respond). Keep on repeating yourself and making invalid arguments. Maryland has nothing to do with Alabama, and as I previously stated, Bama’s rap sheet is hella long. There’s a history and a pattern.

    You don’t actually address anything with an articulate position, you just try to spin like a top. So please don’t get dizzy and fall on your sister. America doesn’t need anymore “uncle-daddy’s”. All of this is to be expected however, especially from some dumb hick that refers to Deb’s posts as “prose”. What an insult to prose.

    http://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/agent-ralph-cindrich-nick-saban-pay-for-play/148079

    There’s an insider’s account of Nick Saban. Now I already know how you’ll react so no need to write another rambling post. Eventually something will leak out of Tuscaloosa that’s concrete, and Alabama will be sanctioned again.

    ________________________________

    Taintedlobotomy,

    I keep throwing a lure and you keep biting hard. This makes me Happy, Happy, Happy.

    When I correspond with my peers I use articulate and precise language. When I find myself writing for morons like you I have to dumb down below pre K levels
    in order for you to comprehend (that means to understand.).

    So for you to understand how corrupt Maryland is, here is a primer just for your
    reading level.

    See Len
    See Len bounce the ball
    bounce, bounce, bounce

    See Len take a magic potion
    sniff, sniff, sniff

    See Len turn blue
    See Len die
    die,die,die

    Watch Dick and Lefty panic
    Hide, Hide, Hide
    Deny, Deny,Deny

    Poor Len he died
    Terps lie, Len died

    So sorry I can’t write the other remedial primers for you at this time because I
    know your attention span is like the guard dogs out of your favorite cartoon
    movie, “UP”………..grrrrrrrrrrrrr…squirrel!

    I am so impressed that you that you THINK Alabama will be EVENTUALLY be
    sanctioned. I like your positive attitude, it shows that the anger management
    counseling along with the medications are working. Mummie and Daddie must
    be so proud of their wittle trooper. Did you ever explain to Mummie how you
    got your nose bloodied? You know if you tell the truth, maybe “she’ll give you a
    cookie”(Don Rickles voice).

    Now I don’t want upset your tummie before dinner time, but I’ll ask again,

    What…actual…proof…do…you…have…that…Saban (the Good Prince)…is…
    cheating(What Maryland “Fantasyland” does)…and…paying…their…players(the good guys)?

    I… purposely…did…this…to…help…you…with…your…reading…comprehension
    (oops, big… word…ask…Mummie…what..it…means) and…the…sweet…drink…
    that…Daddie…gives… you….to…keep…that…mean..Deb…that..makes…you…
    pee…pee…in..your…underoos.

    Don’t think too hard because we know that reality is no where near where
    you reside.

    Next time, I’ll read to you my new primer Tommy Terrapin and being the doormat of the B1G kingdom. For your Mummie and Daddie the adult version
    is “Maryland, not all H*****s are in Washington, The story of Greed and Corruption to get into the B1G”.

    Take your meds!

    Roll Tide!

  89. tigersgeaux says: Apr 12, 2013 8:23 AM

    Deb:

    When I was helping them with the Neighborhood Watch work, I learned that they made their own andouille!!! I had never met anyone who made homemade andouille before and I thought I was in heaven. I had to laugh with some other volunteers when they said they were coming back the next day to get more andouille! I like meeting the people, but that andouille, my oh my!

    amos: YOU are the man! You have me chuckling on the way to work, and that is a great way to start the day! Thank you.

  90. Deb says: Apr 12, 2013 1:36 PM

    Oh my, tigersgeaux … that sounds wonderful! My best memories of New Orleans are the food! Everything there was delicious :)

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