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Nick Saban on Bob Stoops’ SEC comments: ‘I’ve got more important things to do’

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Earlier this week, Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops cause a bit of an offseason stir* when he challenged the perception that the SEC was widening the gap between itself and the rest of college football.

(*Meaning it’s actually not that big of a deal)

Here’s part of what Stoops said, via the Tulsa World:

“It depends on who you want to listen to,” Stoops said. “Listen, they’ve had the best team in college football, meaning they’ve won the national championship. That doesn’t mean everything else is always the best.”

“So you’re listening to a lot of propaganda that gets fed out to you,” he said. “You’re more than smart enough to figure it out. Again, you can look at the top two, three, four, five, six teams, and you can look at the bottom six, seven, eight, whatever they are. How well are they all doing?

“What’d we (the Big 12) have, eight of 10 teams in bowl games this year? Again, you figure it all out.”

Naturally, the press had to know Nick Saban‘s reaction to Stoops’ comments. When asked about them, Saban went on a lengthy retort spanning somewhere in the vicinity of five whole seconds:

“I’ve got more important things to do than sit around and read what Bob Stoops has to say about anything.”

Like win three BCS championships in four years? Yeah, he can be dismissive about it. Us? We have more time on our hands. So…

To Stoops’ credit, he has a point. The Big 12 has been especially deep the last couple of years. Conversely, parity wasn’t exactly present in the SEC last season. No SEC team who finished in the bottom seven of the final conference standings beat a team who finished in the top seven of the league. Of course, that’s a little misleading as not everyone in the SEC plays each other whereas the Big 12 plays a round robin schedule, but the point remains. The SEC’s been top-heavy and won the past seven BCS championships. It’s perception is going to be based on what the top half does, not the bottom half.

Then there are the NFL draft numbers by conference, but has John Hoover explains in his aforementioned column from the Tulsa World,  “it’s much the same way: 46 of the 63 came from the top half of the league. The other seven schools produced just 17 draft picks.”

Again, top-heavy. And, in fairness, you could put an asterisk next to the draft picks from Texas A&M and Missouri, both of which had first-round picks this past draft and are only one year removed from the Big 12. That lends itself to another point from Saban:

Well, A&M didn’t seem to have a problem in its first season — and in a year when few people actually thought the Aggies would do well in any conference, no less. There’s plenty of good football being played outside the SEC, but until someone actually knocks the SEC off the top of the college football mountain — preseason publications are looking at you, Ohio State — the perception Stoops chimed in on likely won’t change.

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75 Responses to “Nick Saban on Bob Stoops’ SEC comments: ‘I’ve got more important things to do’”
  1. be4bama says: May 10, 2013 9:57 AM

    This should get good…..que the haters in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

  2. alligatorsnapper says: May 10, 2013 10:16 AM

    Nick Saban had probably the best response he could have. No sense getting into any public discussion with someone who is obviously does not know as Saban stated, the “people who don’t play in our league (SEC) … don’t understand how tough it is.” Stoops is obviously one of those “people.”

    Compare the records of the bottom 6 of the SEC with the bottom six of the Big 12.

  3. ocon171 says: May 10, 2013 10:26 AM

    Read a great article on ESPN dismissing stoops comments. looked at bowl appearances, bowl wins, etc. Face it people, the SEC is the best.

  4. normtide says: May 10, 2013 10:26 AM

    Nick Saban then dropped the Mic and walked off the stage.

    Seriously, its simple math. If you have 6 teams with 10 wins or more, then the bottom half are going to have noted losses. Does the big12 have half the top ten teams to deal with?

    Not knocking the 12, back when their top teams played defense, they were right there with the SEC. ( Ofc, they had Nebraska and A&M back then). Recruit defense again, put emphasis on it. Its been proven defense wins championships.

  5. raysfan1 says: May 10, 2013 11:00 AM

    Of course, before he became the head coach at OU, he was a coordinator at Florida. So, even though his experience there is not in the past 7 years of the SEC’s championship streak, he does know exactly how competitive the conference is. All he is doing, the same as every other coach would, is sticking up for his own league.

  6. helladonks says: May 10, 2013 11:14 AM

    “Great article” and “ESPN” should never realistically be in the same sentence.

  7. gamustangdude says: May 10, 2013 11:25 AM

    The SEC is the strongest conference in my opinion for two reasons, not because of the BCS titles.

    1. No other conference has 6 teams either as strong or stronger in their conference than Bama, UGA, A&M, Florida, LSU, and South Carolina. Other conferences may have 1-2 maybe 3 teams that could compete with the SEC’s big 6, but no other conference has 6 teams.
    2. The Bowl record, sure the Big 12 sent the same number of teams to bowl games however only 4 out of 9 won bowl games while the SEC had 6 out of 9 win. Even with sending 9 teams to bowl games the SEC had the highest win percentage of any of the Big 6 conferences, .667 Big-12 placed 4th.

  8. ocon171 says: May 10, 2013 11:33 AM

    helladonks- Good point but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

  9. 1historian says: May 10, 2013 11:57 AM

    b4bama – you really should work on your spelling

  10. thefiesty1 says: May 10, 2013 11:59 AM

    Does anyone really care what Bob Stoops has to say and whether Nick Saban bothers to even respond. When the Big 12 gets back to 12 teams and a conference championship then Stoops can attempt to compare the Big 12 with the SEC. Right now, there is no comparison.

  11. Ben Kercheval says: May 10, 2013 12:09 PM

    Does anyone really care what Bob Stoops has to say and whether Nick Saban bothers to even respond.

    ——————

    Yes.

  12. alligatorsnapper says: May 10, 2013 12:21 PM

    Ben: ha ha!

  13. BrownsTown says: May 10, 2013 12:44 PM

    First on that list of things to do: lunch with Tom Al-Betar.

  14. louhudson23 says: May 10, 2013 12:55 PM

    Who would have ever conceived of the concept that a conference featuring the best teams in the country would also have to feature teams which lost games to those same teams……

  15. be4bama says: May 10, 2013 1:44 PM

    Mea culpa 1historian….. “cue”
    Dear Lord forgive me for not proof reading. Amen

  16. dannygjay says: May 10, 2013 2:03 PM

    and whats his point kentucky would go to a bowl game most seasons in tbe big 12. Remember when Arkansas joined the SEC after being a force in thier old conference; oh wait, that was oklahomas conference too. Texas A@M may have better success, but if it wasn’t for Johnny football they wouldn’t have made a bowl game either. I do believe they have a chance to parlay that into future success at the expense of.Texas. boy they fxxx up pissing A&M off.

  17. callmecynical says: May 10, 2013 2:26 PM

    OSU Fan here that lived in Knoxville for 3 years.
    Can’t argue with sucess. You can say the SEC cheats, blame the weather or, my personal favorite, wear illegal cleats in the Citrus bowl.

    Until another conference starts winning the SEC is the best.

    Just like the Pac 10(12) was with Bush/Leinart/Palmer.

    Hope OSU gets a shot in the title and redeems for 2 losses to SEC schools. Even better if they ever get to play the Big Orange in the NC

  18. apmn says: May 10, 2013 3:43 PM

    @dannygjay:

    Arkansas was in the SWC before joining the SEC. Oklahoma was in the Big 8 at the time.

    Also, Stoops and Saban make too much money to be acting like teenage girls.

  19. sdflash2006 says: May 10, 2013 3:43 PM

    Missouri, one of the Bob Stoops trashed bottom half of the SEC teams, did not make a bowl game last year. All 7 of their losses were to bowl teams, including losses to Alabama, South Carolina, Florida, Texas A&M and Georgia.

    Honestly how many of the Big 12 teams would have been in the bottom half of the SEC playing that schedule? If your answer is not “most of them” you are delusional.

  20. barbeaux says: May 10, 2013 3:54 PM

    Here’s the thing…the best of the SEC tends to blow away the best of the rest. That’s not equality. The big 12 hasn’t really, really been that strong for a while.

  21. saints97 says: May 10, 2013 4:20 PM

    How sad for a great coach at a proud and historic program to resort to making loser arguments. Our losers are better than their losers?

    After what happened in the Cotton Bowl, Bob, maybe you should leave well enough alone.

  22. Deb says: May 10, 2013 5:21 PM

    Saban is a hoot! Whatever else you think of them, he, Belichick, and Parcells are hilarious when they throw it back at reporters like that.

    As others have said, it’s simple math: All the teams in the same conference can’t sit on the top rungs of the ladder. But dominance within the conference has shifted around over the last decade. Even Vandy has recently picked up steam. That indicates the overall strength of the conference as a whole.

  23. huskerzfan says: May 10, 2013 6:31 PM

    Gotta love when Stoops comments are taken completely out of context and presented to another coach to reply.

    No wonder we call the media a circus. At least we know who the clowns are in that 3 ring circus.

  24. huck222 says: May 10, 2013 8:23 PM

    The “SEC” is not the best conference! The QB play is spotty at best! They don’t play out of their southern region, because of money… Great defensive players, but the offensive play is average… Texas A&M was a middle of the road team in the BIG 12 and went to the SEC and was world beaters! ESPN is going to pump that conference up, because it get’s paid off of their ratings! Once I heard them saying on ESPN’s First Take that Tennessee and Vanderbilt really has a chance of winning a National Title! I was like this $hit is gone way too far!!!! I want to see Alabama, South Carolina and Georgia travel far west in hostile territory and I’m guaranteeing they get their a$$’es handed to them! The pollsters rank the SEC’s teams high to keep the other teams in the hunt for the title. They, the SEC have good teams but with voting involved they will be at the top!

  25. normtide says: May 10, 2013 8:44 PM

    Huck222, if all that’s true, you would think the SEC could have been beat in one of those title games. Or all those bowl games, when the SEC #5 teams play league x’s # 2 teams. I guess ignorance is bliss.

  26. acieu says: May 10, 2013 10:05 PM

    All better than the over hyped Notre Dame

  27. amosalanzostagg says: May 10, 2013 10:59 PM

    Huck,

    Yet, The SEC had how many Heisman winners in recent years?

    Cam Newton?

    Johnny Manziel?

    Tim Tebow?

    Throw in a running back, Mark Ingram

    and you say SEC offense is “average”?

    Texas A&M lost 5 games in the Big 12 their last year due to very poor physical
    conditioning. Kevin Sumlin changed that when he went to A&M. Who knew Manziel would turn out to be the phenom he became? No one. A&M friends told me they were hoping to be 7-5 their first year in the SEC.

    Your actual knowledge of SEC football, is like your knowledge of anything related to NCAA sports,….nonexistent.

    SEC envy is not a good. That is why jealousy is one of the deadly sins.

    Roll Tide

  28. amosalanzostagg says: May 10, 2013 11:06 PM

    Dear Bob,(and Huck)

    Take a look at the #5 team in the SEC and get back to us.

    Sincerely,

    The SEC

  29. amosalanzostagg says: May 10, 2013 11:14 PM

    Huck,

    Ask Michigan how they liked playing playing the number 6 team in the SEC. Alabama throttled this Michigan team in the season opener.

    Sincerely,
    the SEC

    Roll Tide

  30. normtide says: May 10, 2013 11:19 PM

    My favorite is ‘the pollsters are biased toward the SEC’. These pollsters are from Oregon, California, Ohio, Michigan, and so forth. And your telling me they are biased toward the SEC?

    Just because you don’t like the truth, it doesn’t make it false.

  31. amosalanzostagg says: May 10, 2013 11:50 PM

    barbeaux wrote on: May 10, 2013 3:54 PM

    Here’s the thing…the best of the SEC tends to blow away the best of the rest. That’s not equality. The big 12 hasn’t really, really been that strong for a while.

    Astute point.

    The Big 12 is viewed by Madison Avenue as being a large Big 8. Two dominant teams in Texas and Oklahoma, and 8 teams that are along for the ride. Don’t think for a moment TV execs look how restricted in range the Big 12 actually is in the way of TV markets, and the Big 12 is nothing more than a regional conference ranking behind the national conferences B1G, ACC(w ND),the SEC and the PAC-12.

    This is all by design by Deloss Dodds. The Big 12 is a boutique conference that Texas rules on the athletic side and in the conference office. Just ask Nebraska,
    Colorado,Missouri, A&M and Arkansas.

    Roll Tide

  32. pricecube says: May 11, 2013 4:42 AM

    Top to bottom Big 12 is tough… arguably tougher than any conference. That said the SEC is the still the better conference by any measure.

  33. jag8r904 says: May 11, 2013 5:29 AM

    That’s coach speak for “Ain’t nobody got time for that.”

  34. iammrbinky says: May 11, 2013 6:56 AM

    If the SEC had academic standards above a Junior High School, they wouldn’t be at the top of the football world.

  35. mtheparrothead says: May 11, 2013 8:05 AM

    The tough part for sec fans is deciding which team to actually be a fan of. Sec! Sec! Sec!

  36. 1historian says: May 11, 2013 8:33 AM

    be4bama – you’re forgiven

    ha ha

  37. Ben Kercheval says: May 11, 2013 8:35 AM

    That’s coach speak for “Ain’t nobody got time for that.”

    —————

    Dammit! I was just thinking the other day that I need to incorporate that into a post. Well played.

  38. bassmaster357 says: May 11, 2013 10:37 AM

    Nick Saban is right he doesn’t have the time for stuff that people comment on like that, he had a good answer. Bob Stoops do you remember OU had a scoring offense of averaging 60 points a game and oops a lowly what some people said didn’t deserve to be in a championship game FLORIDA GATORS Smashed your chances of winning the national championship? You better take some alka-seltzer before you eat that crow.

  39. pricecube says: May 11, 2013 1:48 PM

    A good article supporting Stoops perspective:

    “Five SEC teams finished 2012 with losing records. The coaches at four of those schools were fired. Stoops’ brother, Mark, was a beneficiary of the turnover, landing at Kentucky. There, he will attempt to recapture the good old days of — get this — Rich Brooks.

    And it cuts deeper. The cliché that any SEC team can beat any other SEC team on a given Saturday is largely a myth. It simply doesn’t happen.

    In 2012, the top six teams in the SEC — Alabama, Texas A&M and LSU in the West, Georgia, Florida and South Carolina in the East — went a combined 30-0 against the bottom eight. A year earlier, the top six’s record against everybody else was 28-2.”

    http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130510/COLUMNIST0202/305100063/Climer-Titles-can-t-erase-weaknesses-SEC-football?nclick_check=1

    The bottom quarter of the SEC is pretty weak.

  40. amosalanzostagg says: May 11, 2013 3:33 PM

    pricecube wrote on: May 11, 2013 1:48 PM

    A good article supporting Stoops perspective:

    “Five SEC teams finished 2012 with losing records. The coaches at four of those schools were fired. Stoops’ brother, Mark, was a beneficiary of the turnover, landing at Kentucky. There, he will attempt to recapture the good old days of — get this — Rich Brooks.

    And it cuts deeper. The cliché that any SEC team can beat any other SEC team on a given Saturday is largely a myth. It simply doesn’t happen.

    In 2012, the top six teams in the SEC — Alabama, Texas A&M and LSU in the West, Georgia, Florida and South Carolina in the East — went a combined 30-0 against the bottom eight. A year earlier, the top six’s record against everybody else was 28-2.”

    http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130510/COLUMNIST0202/305100063/Climer-Titles-can-t-erase-weaknesses-SEC-football?nclick_check=1

    The bottom quarter of the SEC is pretty weak.

    ___________________________________
    Moot point. Texas A&M wasn’t part of the SEC in 2012 so the comparison is apples and oranges for two reasons, (1.) The bottom quarter of every conference is weak. and (2.) Teams are cyclical.

    Case in point, look at Auburn’s National Championship. It was a product of having a superior athlete (Cam Newton) playing superb football an entire season. Same as Mack Brown’s National championship at Texas with Vince Young.Strong teams can win a national championship. Strong programs, like Alabama,Georgia, LSU, South Carolina and Florida, build dynasties to remain uber competitive in an uber competitive conference. Texas A&M is still too new to the SEC as a member to get a read on their program. Arkansas is on the way back to be VERY good under their new head coach. IF he does to the Razorbacks what he did with Wisconsin, Sooey Hog could be come as common as Roll Tide.

    Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt are in the process of going through growing
    pains in building their respective football programs. Now it gets interesting, Auburn, Tennessee, Missouri and Kentucky are in the building stages of building their programs. I’d take the bottom teams of the SEC against say the Big 10 bottom
    teams every time. Kentucky against Purdue? Missouri against Minnesota? Tennessee against Illinois? Auburn against Iowa?

    SEC is far from perfect, but fans need to chill and actually enjoy what has happened
    and could go for at least next year, because these are the good old days.

    Roll Tide.

  41. amosalanzostagg says: May 11, 2013 3:38 PM

    Brain fart, 2011 for A&M

  42. pricecube says: May 11, 2013 4:10 PM

    @amos

    Here is the difference. The bottom 6 teams in the SEC are dominated by the top 6. Whereas there is parity in the Big 12.

    There were not many SEC/Big 12 matchups last year. The only one I remember watching in the regular season was Ole Miss vs Texas. Texas blew Ole Miss out of their home stadium. Ole Miss was a middle of the road SEC team last year. Watch:

    Now look at the bottom 5 teams in the Big 12.

    Baylor
    TCU
    West Virginia
    Iowa State
    Kansas

    Both TCU and West Virginia beat Texas last year. Texas barely eked out wins versus Baylor (56-50) and Kansas (21-17).

    There is currently much more parity in the Big 12 than the SEC. Four of the bottom five Big 12 teams went to bowl games. The bottom five SEC teams last year were horrible (Kentucky, Auburn, Arkansas, Tennessee, Missouri)… so much so that four of those teams had their head coaches canned. The SEC was much better than the Big 12 at the top last year and much worse at the bottom. That is the gist of what Stoops is saying and I agree with him.

  43. amosalanzostagg says: May 11, 2013 4:51 PM

    Price,

    SEC have 14 teams

    Big 12 has 10 teams

    You make my point because the Big 12 is driven by two teams. Texas and Oklahoma. When the best you can do is have one of your bell cow programs, Texas, beat a middle of the pack SEC team and crow about it, then your conference is “weak”.

    A better comparison is Texas playing Oklahoma which is the same as Georgia against Florida, LSU against Alabama. What did OU do against Texas last year?

    Now take the number 5# team in the SEC against the Big 12 co-champions

    The Big 12 bowl record was less than stellar going 4-5 against such powerhouses as Minnesota 6-7, Purdue 6-7, Michigan State 7-6, Syracuse 8-5 and a mid major, Tulsa 11-3. The middle of the pack teams from the Big 12, mighty Texas 9-4 beat Oregon State
    9-4 and Baylor 8-5 beat UCLA 9-5. Forget about your co-champs, 0-2

    If you like mediocre “parity” football, then the Big 12 is for you. Just be ready to accept the results of “parity” not only on the field, but also in recruiting and players going to the NFL draft.

    Point is, Big Game Bob ain’t what he used to be. If he wants to dominate a “parity” conference and get embarrassed on the national stage ala Boise State and most recently,
    by A&M, then knock yourself out.

    Roll Tide.

  44. pricecube says: May 11, 2013 4:54 PM

    @amos

    One last thing… it is hilarious that you are using Texas A&M over OU as proof of SEC superiority. A&M was about six months removed from being a member of the Big 12. The fact that they were a middle tier Big 12 team and had almost immediate success their first season in the SEC seems to bolster Stoops argument easily as much as the victory promotes your cause.

  45. pricecube says: May 11, 2013 5:08 PM

    @amos

    Look at the other games OU played and won vs. lower tier Big 12. TCU (24-17). West Virginia (50-49). Baylor (42-34). All of those games could have gone either way.

    There was only one really bad team in the Big 12 last year. There were five in the SEC.

  46. amosalanzostagg says: May 11, 2013 8:27 PM

    Price,

    Defend the Big 12 all you want. It is rapidly approaching the mediocrity you so want. You yourself admit that OU is no where it USED to be when a mid tier Big 12
    A&M team beat the crap out of OU on national TV in a game that actually mattered

    I’m Alabama born and bleed crimson, but Texas A&M did a phenomenal job last fall due to two situations, hiring Sumlin who actually had the Aggies conditioned to play FULL games instead of halves and the emergence of Johnny Manizel as a breath of fresh air. I’m glad you find A&M hilarious, because we thank the Big 12 for sending such a quality athletic program our way. We thank you for three reasons,

    (1.) you now allowed the SEC to come en masse to the state of Texas to recruit in all our sports for all our schools. No more occasional recruit in a specific sport, but full fledged expense allocation to develop deep recruiting ties with high school coaches. That was priceless.

    (2.) By sending A&M and Missouri our way, we were able to secure new TV markets in Texas and Missouri to help secure our SEC Network. Again , we thank you.

    and the best reason

    (3.) You still have Texas to deal with, We don’t. Have fun dealing with the Norma
    Desmond of college sports. How does it feel to be Deloss’s lapdog? How do you handle the pressure of Texas wanting to move to the B1G/PAC-12/ACC every few years? OU is encumbered by OSU to move to any other conference, So you sit in Norman and ponder on what other extremely successful conferences actually accomplish.

    Tell you what, switch schedules with the SEC from top to bottom and the Big 12 still loses. Kentucky would love to play the likes of Kansas and Iowa State. On the other hand Oklahoma and Texas would have four conference losses. They could not handle the pressure week after week after week. So strap on your big boy pants and man up.

    When the Big 12 actually wins 7 national championships in football in a row come
    talk

    Roll Tide

  47. be4bama says: May 11, 2013 10:41 PM

    Price, you just don’t get it and stagg your my hero :-)
    SEC SEC SEC
    ROLL TIDE

  48. normtide says: May 11, 2013 10:52 PM

    Here’s the question. If Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech, WVU, OK State, or TCU had been in the SEC, would they have done better then MIZZU, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, or Ole Miss? I would any if those SEC teams over any of those big 12 teams. Some would be close, and maybe go either way. But, edge to the SEC.

  49. pricecube says: May 12, 2013 1:11 AM

    A&M beat SEC #1 Alabama in dominant fashion as well. They took the lead very early and held it all four quarters. Not once in the game did Bama catch up or take the lead. The game was not nearly as close as the score would indicate.

    I have been an SEC fan my entire life btw. I just find it ridiculous how arrogant most SEC fans have become… it is an arrogance and petulance only surpassed by contemporary Alabama fans like yourself. Need proof? Check out this 300lb, diabetic, man-baby that is so common among the Tide fanbase.

    Warning… foul language.

    I guess this entitlement mentality comes from the enormous and undeniable success Bama’s program has had of late. As you said earlier though, football is cyclical. The SEC will always be a good conference but I doubt this dominance will continue for forever… for the SEC or Bama… although it probably won’t end tomorrow either.

    We’ll see this fall I guess and I am looking forward to it. TCU opens against LSU at Jerry’s world. In all probability TCU will lose but it should be an interesting, if small, barometer reading for how dominant the SEC really is.

  50. amosalanzostagg says: May 12, 2013 9:20 AM

    Price,

    No, you’re a bandwagon fan. No need to say you’re an SEC fan, it’s bilge water. Every school has “fans” like the one shown, so tell us that the Big 12 doesn’t. It’s repugnant and ugly.

    I saw the LSU/A&M game @ A&M last fall, It was my first encounter ever with Texas A&M. Even though I wore a discreet Bama polo, A&M fans welcomed mewith tales of Junction, Bear Bryant, and the upcoming game with Alabama. The people I met were hospitable, gracious and ardent supporters of Texas A&M. In the game, I saw a raw, extremely talented red shirt freshman QB with less than a handful of game starts give LSU fits. All he needed was to get used to his receivers and obtain more game experience against top tier competition. LSU won because of talent and good halftime adjustments.

    Fast forward to Tuscaloosa weeks later, Manziel came in to the Alabama game with
    more poise, a greater sense of confidence, and great coaching by Sumlin. At the start of the fourth quarter, with the game in question, A&M had a mini mosh pit in
    front of their bench and Alabama was sucking fumes. I told friends that Alabama was going to get beat. We were out of shape, mentally and physically, and in reality, didn’t expect to be smashed back in the mouth by Texas A&M. When we were on Texas A&M 3 yard line on 4th down, I had friends already celebrating.
    Imagine their surprise when A&M intercepted the ball. A&M deserved the win.

    The SEC is an excellent conference and we have great rivalries. I enjoy visiting each and every school. Will Bama make it three in a row? Don’t know, don’t
    care. I’m just enjoying the run. Personally, it would not surprise me if A&M beats
    us at Kyle Field, runs the table until the LSU game in Baton Rouge and loses, and we beat LSU at home creating a three way tie for the SEC West. Imagine the angst
    in the Big 12 should a former mid tier Big 12 team actually won a national championship. What would Stoops say then?

    A&M and Missouri are great additions to the SEC and are warmly welcomed.

    Roll Tide

  51. amosalanzostagg says: May 12, 2013 11:35 AM

    Price,

    Answer this question, if a HS football recruit in Texas, receives a recruiting offer from Texas Tech, Kansas, Iowa State,TCU or Baylor and receives one from Florida or Georgia, which recruiting offer would he take?

    Now add in that Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M,Ole Miss, Miss State and Arkansas and the entire SEC East offering to 3, 4 and 5 star recruits and I can see the Stoops pucker factor. Even Vanderbilt is gearing up big time to recruit to their high academic standards.

    Recruits want to play in packed 100,000 seat stadiums that mean something, not 40,000 in Ames, Iowa. Recruits want to be in the National Championship hunt in conference games that matter week after week after week after week, not be fodder for the whims of a program that tells you what you will do.

    Why does the Big 12 stand for Texas dictating who they will play in Austin on Thanksgiving night in order to satisfy Texas’s massive ego?

    TCU spanked Texas on Thanksgiving, so now now Deloss wants Texas Tech on Thanksgiving so he can hope he can win.

    The true beauty of having A&M in the SEC is that now the State of Texas can actually see what A&M can accomplish on their own away from the dictates of Texas. When A&M is successful, not if, the SEC becomes more powerful. Forget recruiting and TV
    market share, the Big 12 already handed that to us.

    What will the Big 12 do when the SEC has an LSU/A&M prime time game on Thanksgiving as part of Rivalry Weekend? You think the nation would want to watch
    LSU/A&M or Texas against Texas Tech? Which has more appeal to the average college football fan? Which game would teenage football players want to watch? Which game would have better ratings?

    This is what Stoops and Big 12 football coaches fears, they fear becoming irrelevant. Too late now, remaining Big 12 conference members, you’ve ceded your manhood to Deloss to do with what he wants to at his leisure. Remember Texas ALWAYS does what is in their best interests and should an offer come from the PAC-12 with BYU to go to 14 teams, Adios!

  52. tlmoon2112 says: May 12, 2013 12:55 PM

    I love the SEC but this “roll tide” thing is completely out of control along with its fans. It basically means the same thing as “Allah Akbar” now because Alabama football is their “God”.

    Roll Turd

  53. normtide says: May 12, 2013 12:59 PM

    Tlmoon, what does it mean when your every post is about Alabama? If it really bothers you, why feed it? Why not avoid these articles? This thing is in your head, bad. Maybe you should get out more.

  54. pricecube says: May 12, 2013 1:20 PM

    @amos

    It is clear from your posts you know nothing about Big 12 football. I will give you an example. You wrote:

    If Texas played in the SEC, “…Texas would have four conference losses.”

    Guess how many conference losses Texas had playing in the Big 12 last year?

    I have been an SEC fan for more than half of my life. I do not care whether you believe me. Once again it is a case of you talking about something you have no knowledge of.

    This is the reason I am getting sick of so many arrogant fellow SEC fans. They have a very myopic view of college football and show zero respect to fans of other conferences.

  55. be4bama says: May 12, 2013 1:51 PM

    I’m convinced cube is a liberal

  56. amosalanzostagg says: May 12, 2013 2:20 PM

    Price,

    Heavens no, Let’s talk Big 12 football. Show us your vast Big 12 knowledge. BTW what SEC school have you “supported” half your life?

  57. amosalanzostagg says: May 12, 2013 2:46 PM

    Be4 Bama,

    Na, Price is a troll who wants people to like him so Price actually stands for nothing. To use his Price’s own words,

    pricecube wrote onMay 11, 2013 4:42 AM

    “Top to bottom Big 12 is tough… arguably tougher than any conference. That said the SEC is the still the better conference by any measure.”

    Yet when asked to defend the indefensible, Price wants to use A&M’s last year under Mike Sherman as proof that the Big 12 is “worthy” of national
    championship discussion

    0-2 in nationally televised games is not a no way to impress recruits and national TV audiences.

    Then as to try to justify the pathetic showing of the Big 12

    pricecube wrote on: May 11, 2013 5:08 PM

    @amos

    “Look at the other games OU played and won vs. lower tier Big 12. TCU (24-17). West Virginia (50-49). Baylor (42-34). All of those games could have gone either way.There was only one really bad team in the Big 12 last year. There were five in the SEC.”

    Really, you think Texas alums were REALLY accepting playing in the Alamo Bowl
    and being throttled by their “main” rival OU on national TV?

    Look, Price is a wannabe. Price wants to be accepted because of insecurities surrounding their life. Price says he has supported the SEC half his life, sure, whatever. A legend in his own mind. Next thing Price will post about what success his SEC team had. Price is a bandwagon fan. Price can’t defend the Big 12 so all the sudden he’s an SEC fan.

    LOL.

    Truly pathetic.

  58. pricecube says: May 12, 2013 3:13 PM

    I have been a Tennessee fan since the late eighties. I have been on CFT discussing Vol football and SEC football since its inception. A simple google search of my username and CFT will prove as much.

  59. amosalanzostagg says: May 12, 2013 3:36 PM

    Price,

    Great. Love Niland and hope the Vols can continue to build the brand. I know that there are financial problems within the Athletic department due to football attendance, but have always enjoyed Knoxville on many fall afternoons.

    As to the Big 12, I know the underbelly of the conference all too well from it’s inception from dealing with current and former AD’s and financial people and that conference went from being a model for intercollegiate athletics to one that may not be here in three years. It is now Deloss Dodd’s personal boutique conference.

    As an SEC member, you know we defend the brand. We give teams and conferences the respect they show us. Being a Tennessee supporter, you know that
    the University of Tennessee-Knoxville is a superb academic institution, yet other
    conferences continue to belittle such fine institutions as UT-Knoxville as being nothing more than a trade school. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    When Texas came to the SEC in 1986 to join, Tennessee, along with Alabama, was one of the first schools to express concerns of the need for Texas to join. Fortunately, the Texas Legislature enjoined Texas from joining.

    Price, I do apologize for calling you a Big 12 apologist, but there is a reason why Arkansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Missouri got away from the University of Texas as quickly as possible. Texas destroyed one conference, the old SWC, and is in the process of destroying another. No conference wants Texas. Not
    the B1G, not the PAC-12, not the ACC. It is not the conferences, it is the other
    UT (the evil one), not the good one, the one with “Rocky Top”.

  60. pricecube says: May 12, 2013 4:37 PM

    @amos

    I have been a TN fan for decades but graduated from TCU. I respect the SEC academically. You can get a good education anywhere if you apply yourself.

    I realize TCU has a some way to go in football… however living in SEC country and hearing people constantly belittle and or disrespect your alma mater is infuriating… whether or not it is an SEC fan criticizing my school’s football prowess… or a Big 10 fan knocking the SEC’s academic prowess… (I see this much more often and it is absurd).

    The SEC is currently on top and there is little to indicate that will change any time soon. I get that… but a little a little humility goes a long way. Thank you for your apology…

    I apologize as well.

    I still however believe that top to bottom the Big 12 is a solid conference. 90% of the teams went to bowls last year. I am pretty sure that has never been done before. Not even by the SEC. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one though. I am done beating this dead horse.

  61. amosalanzostagg says: May 12, 2013 5:37 PM

    TCU is a mid major in search of their destiny. When Dennis Franchione came to Alabama, I told people his days were numbered because Gary Patterson was the brains behind the Head Coach.

    TCU football is what it is because of 3 reasons (1.) the TCU players going to the AD demanding Patterson be named Head Coach, (2.) Patterson staying true to TCU, building HIS system, with HIS players, and developing HIS program, and (3.) TCU Administration committing to Big Time athletics ( I know, because the Fort worth powers used me to evaluate a cost benefit analysis on ROI for a major expense of imploding Amon Carter and starting from ground one.)

    What inhibits TCU is the University of Texas. Texas will never let TCU become an equal. Texas arrogance is similar to what the late DKR categorized the Horned Frogs as being cockroaches, not as to what they do but what they mess up.

    Being at the Rose Bowl when the Frogs beat the Badgers in a very good football game,
    I had an influential Texas alum ask me if Patterson would ever consider going some
    place else. I told him based on my experience, Gary couldn’t be bought. He has his program going the way he wants it and has deserved the right to continue his program. This was before TCU went to the Big 12. The Texas alum’s response was chilling. He told me everyone has their price and that Texas usually gets what they want.

    Stunning.

    So I have no love lost for Texas (the University). I have seen Texas exhibit the same traits in the AD Big 12 conference meetings and is one of the reasons conferences,
    (specifically the B1G,the PAC-12 and the ACC) DO NOT WANT Texas any where near their respective conferences. University Presidents and Chancellors know what Texas
    wants, and they are not about to abdicate their Universities to ANY power play from Texas.

    Good luck against in the Big 12. However, I will be probably going to Jerry World to see that game against LSU. I have some Tiger friends that have invited me.

    Roll Tide

  62. thefightinfloyds says: May 12, 2013 6:36 PM

    Haha oh yes I forgot Ohio State will be the savior…As a ND/Big10 fan I realize that the SEC and Big 12 are better conferences but lets please knock it off with this Ohio State talk. If they do have a undefeated record (likely, since they play an insanely easy schedule…again) they will get destroyed by a SEC team in the NC…again.

  63. clemsonstillsucks says: May 13, 2013 12:06 AM

    LOL – if Stoops wants any press he picked the perfect portion of the college football season to get it. After Labor Day not many reporters outside of Oklahoma are going to be interested in what he has to say…which will probably be an explanation of some sort.

    UNLESS – he has the inside scoop to the Big 10/12′s silent descent into college football’s mediocrity category in recent years (that doesn’t place the blame on the “other guy(s)” recruiting efforts). If he can do that – hell, he may even get Barbara Walters to delay her retirement.

    Oooh, oooh, even better. He can suit up at halfback opposite JD Clowney in the season opener. Yeah, I’d watch that.

  64. txnative61 says: May 13, 2013 1:06 AM

    I have an observation purely outside the quality argument. Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M have chosen to leave the Big 12 of late. They continue the inaccurate title that highlights their reduction to 10 members. No doubt along with high quality competition, coaches and recruits consider stability to some degree. Pointing the finger at Texas exacerbates an untenable conference infrastructure that allowed it to disintegrate. On this the SEC is superior.

  65. 8to80texansblog says: May 13, 2013 12:23 PM

    amosalanzostagg says:
    May 10, 2013 10:59 PM

    A&M friends told me they were hoping to be 7-5 their first year in the SEC.
    ========================

    That’s actually quite true…. We had just been through a very disappointing season . We knew it was going to be tough sledding in the SEC. Most of us just hoped for a bowl game. 11-2 was a near miracle for most Aggie fans. (many of us need to settle down by the way… it’s one year)

    But for every one that points to how well A&M did, not one of you then look at how bad Mizzou did. Mizzou got crushed up and down the block in the SEC, and they were very arguably the better program coming out of the Big 12.

    Aggies stormed the SEC by changing coaches, changing offensive schemes, and unearthing a a diamond in the rough in Johnny Manziel.

  66. amosalanzostagg says: May 13, 2013 5:30 PM

    8to8,

    So you’re an Aggie?

    I truly mean it when I say that having Missouri and Texas A&M join the SEC was a stroke of genius for the SEC and for both new schools.

    The SEC is a great conference, and the addition of the Big 12 schools made a great conference even better. Just by doubling the AAU schools with your fine schools made the conference even more attractive. (Florida and Vanderbilt are the others).

    What surprised me about A&M is when I visited last fall for the LSU game. Your hospitality and gracious mannerisms really make you more of an SEC school. I look
    forward to visiting A&M this fall when Bama comes to your place. I’m drinking
    Pepto now.

    Welcome to the SEC and I look forward to “hating ” you just as much as any other SEC school….LOL. No, any school that had Bear coaching them, I could never hate.
    Nor Gene Stallings.

    BTW why do Aggies say “Howdy” to every one?

  67. pricecube says: May 14, 2013 12:54 AM

    Gene Stallings is my all time favorite Bama coach. He looks just like my father. I was hoping they would give Brother Oliver a chance at the reigns. The guy was a defensive genius.

  68. packerbadger says: May 14, 2013 8:34 AM

    I guess its easier to cut it in the SECheat conference. Saban didn’t cut it very well in the Big 10. I guess thats because the student athletes at Michigan State actually had to go to a real school.

  69. normtide says: May 14, 2013 8:40 AM

    Price, brother Bill would have got a chance, but her left for auburn to be the dc the year before stallings retired. He’d became AU’s co-head coach when Bowden left. Bill Oliver has a weird place in Alabama lore.

    Pack- you better worry about Ohio State first, those folks are set to dominate the B1G for another ten years. Can anyone else not step up? Your team is just three back up singers.

  70. amosalanzostagg says: May 14, 2013 10:33 AM

    normtide wrote on: May 14, 2013 8:40 AM

    Pack- you better worry about Ohio State first, those folks are set to dominate the B1G for another ten years. Can anyone else not step up? Your team is just three back up singers.

    Does that make them one of the Pips to Ohio State’s Gladys Knight?

    Seriously, Saban left because of a deficit of “talent”. Why do you think the Wisconsin coach left to go to Arkansas, to be in a conference that actually attracts “talent” to a program. B1G is great regular season ball, but come bowl season, they look like an edsel in a Lemans race.

    Explain why the SEC and ACC had more prospects taken for the recent NFL draft?
    Talent. Where was the B1G and the Big 12?

    Roll Tide

  71. be4bama says: May 14, 2013 10:49 AM

    He’s back……time for a little magic…POOF

  72. gatorprof says: May 14, 2013 4:08 PM

    I guess this is what you are reduced to when you can no longer live up to your nickname of Big Game Bob.

    One would think that it would be better to knock the snot out of the SEC football than it would be to whine into a microphone.

    Then again, OU has lost some rather important games to SEC teams during his career. What was it, 2 national title games?

    Good to see Fat Man Charlie Weiss sticking up for him. It is no mistake that UF’s offense improved when he left. That being said, Adam’s Rib Company saw their profits dip big time.

  73. huskerzfan says: May 15, 2013 9:50 AM

    @ amosalanzostagg:

    Huck,

    Yet, The SEC had how many Heisman winners in recent years?

    Cam Newton?

    Johnny Manziel?

    Tim Tebow?

    Throw in a running back, Mark Ingram

    and you say SEC offense is “average”?

    SEC envy is not a good. That is why jealousy is one of the deadly sins.

    Roll Tide
    __________________________________

    Interesting.

    You do know that Pride (as well as Gluttony and Greed) are 7 of the deadly sins as well, right?

    Not only is Pride a deadly sin, but it is considered the most egregious of all the deadly sins.

    In case you need Pride defined as a deadly sin: a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self.

  74. amosalanzostagg says: May 15, 2013 6:49 PM

    huskers,

    Yep

    Know the seven deadly sins well, as in avoiding them.
    Since stating actual facts are now considered Pride, I guess Nebraska Cornhuskers are guilty of Pride if they were are ever will be Proud of their Nebraska Cornhuskers, correct? I guess no Nebraska Cornhusker can ever be proud of Tom Osborne and his Nebraska Cornhuskers did in when National Championships in football, right?

    If you noticed I gave specific examples of actual facts of SEC offensive players who were above average and exhibited excellence on the football field and were duly noted as Heisman winners. Just facts.

    Since Pride is such an egregious sin in your eyes, I guess the $3,000 contribution I sent to the University of Nebraska Medical School for Pediatric Cancer research in the name of Team Jack should be returned because I was Proud of what the University of Nebraska did with a cancer stricken youngster, right?

    Roll Tide

  75. goarmie says: Jan 3, 2014 1:45 PM

    Did anyone hear about this?

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10236203/oklahoma-beats-alabama-sugar-bowl

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