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Latest Manziel report shows NCAA has work cut out for it

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It’s been two days since “Outside the Lines” released a report claiming the NCAA was looking into whether Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel signed memorabilia for money. Yesterday, the story was pushed forward with a new allegation which focused on Manziel’s friend and personal assistant that could also bring Manziel’s eligibility into question via the Cam Newton rule.

Today was no different. ESPN’s Joe Schad writes in a report that Manziel received $7,500 from an “East Coast autograph broker” in exchange for signing “approximately 300 mini- and full-sized helmets on Jan. 11-12 while he was attending the Walter Camp Football Foundation event.”

The broker showed Schad two videos, which he said were taken without Manziel’s knowledge, of the Heisman winner signing memorabilia. However, the videos, which the broker initially tried to sell to ESPN, do not show any exchange of money.

This probably won’t be the last report that surfaces about Manziel and autographs, so the process of really moving the story forward comes down to this: is there hard evidence of Manziel receiving money for his signature? Technically speaking, Manziel has to comply with the NCAA during an investigation. That includes opening up his bank statements and explaining some possibly big-time purchases.

If the NCAA can’t find anything, however, pinning down a transaction (or multiple transactions) could be significantly harder to do. The broker, who was not named in the latest ESPN piece, said he does not intend to cooperate with the NCAA.

Likewise, the other anonymous autograph broker from Monday’s story told ESPN he had declined to answer six calls from the NCAA. The broker in OTL’s original Sunday report, Drew Tieman, didn’t even reply to ESPN’s requests for comment, so it’s doubtful he’d cooperate with the NCAA. In that vein, anyone else potentially of interest to the NCAA who’s close to Manziel, such as his family or friend/personal assistant, Nate Fitch, doesn’t have to cooperate either.

That would put the Association in a tough spot, and A&M has lawyered up by retaining the legal services of Lightfoot, Franklin and White, who helped Auburn keep Cam Newton eligible in 2010.

It’s far too early to tell if Manziel will face any type of suspension or punishment in this case — if he broke NCAA bylaws to begin with — but the odds appear to be stacking up against the NCAA.

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  1. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 6, 2013 3:51 PM

    He did this…. At this point I just hope nothing comes out to put his 2012 eligibility in question.

    He’s going to be suspended, probably for the year.

  2. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Aug 6, 2013 3:52 PM

    There’s more than enough old money in the good ole boys network to make sure these brokers never cooperate.

  3. imaduffer says: Aug 6, 2013 4:07 PM

    Miami, USC, Ohio State, drum roll please,………………… A&M

    KA BOOM

  4. benvincible says: Aug 6, 2013 4:10 PM

    @YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou

    True Dat…

    If the broker was looking for a pay day from Schad… and didn’t get one…

    That broker just used Schad and OTL like Craig’s list for compensation for silence from the highest bidding booster.

    I’m sure Daddy Manziel will put that oil money to good use.

  5. mancave001 says: Aug 6, 2013 4:13 PM

    Change the damn rules already, because they are stupid and grossly unfair to players. I’m surprised there aren’t more lawsuits on this issue, frankly.

  6. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 6, 2013 4:15 PM

    Or from TMZ… TMZ buys this, it definitely goes public and they won’t have near the ethical problem that Schad had.

    The more and more I think about this, this may be it for Manziel and A&M.

    It’s really quite disappointing because I really was looking forward to seeing this kid in action again.

  7. pryor4heisman says: Aug 6, 2013 4:23 PM

    This idiot better make his money now because his Saskatchewan Roughriders autograph next year will be worth considerably less.

    I wish this clown and A-Roid would just runaway together and never come back! I am tired of hearing about them!

  8. noleitup says: Aug 6, 2013 4:29 PM

    Dang man i hope the NCAA takes forever like they did with Cam Newton and Miami. I just want to watch him against Bama again this year. After that I could care less. GO NOLES!

  9. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 6, 2013 4:30 PM

    pryor4heisman says:
    Aug 6, 2013 4:23 PM
    _____________________

    Pryor didn’t win…. maybe it’s time to let that dream go?

  10. spudvol says: Aug 6, 2013 4:33 PM

    Just waiting for Steve Spurrier to say “You can’t spell dumbass without A&M.”

  11. mauldawg says: Aug 6, 2013 4:34 PM

    Let the cover up start. How much will be covered up and how many people will take the fall for this little boy. Still cant wait to see some big ol OLB plant his butt into the ground.

  12. dcroz says: Aug 6, 2013 4:43 PM

    Manziel may or may not have accepted cash for autographs, but the NCAA must find proof. The brokers aren’t talking, and even if they were, the one trying to sell clandestinely-filmed footage of Manziel signing items but no proof of a monetary exchange is far from credible. Big ticket purchases? He comes from a rich family, so who’s to say something he bought came from unallowed benefits or from the ‘rents? Like Cam Newton, there may be plenty of smoke around, but finding the fire–if there is one to be found–may prove nigh impossible.

  13. rolltide510 says: Aug 6, 2013 4:45 PM

    When there was supposedly tapes of Cam Newton admitting guilt, nobody in the media bit on it because there wasn’t anything on the tapes.

    But if ESPN has watched the tapes and are describing what their content is and there is meat to it, they’re basically giving their endorsement as to their legitimacy, even if they pretend to have high standards that prevent them from purchasing them. Somebody is going to bite on that offer.

  14. tlmoon2112 says: Aug 6, 2013 5:00 PM

    If he played for Alabama, this wouldnt even be a story. They’d sweep it under the rug. “Nothing to see here”.

    Roll Turd

  15. htru02 says: Aug 6, 2013 5:01 PM

    Well any and all profits from “the money he had the school” can now all go to legal fees and extra time the school has to invest to help him and their image.

  16. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 5:04 PM

    Maybe they cannot find proof of a monetary transaction but I don’t understand why that is even necessary. He did not spend a half hour signing three hundred items for a known “autograph broker” because he thought the guy was just a big fan who wanted to litter his own house with A&M tchotchkes. He would have to believe the guy had no intention of sellin… He knew the guy intended to sell this junk and that alone is a violation.

  17. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 5:11 PM

    One more thing … the main reason why the broker initially made the video was to prove to buyers that the autograph is legitimate.

  18. manik56 says: Aug 6, 2013 5:20 PM

    So Ohio State (sans Tressel) complies with the NCAA in the Clarett and Tatoo scandals and they are vilified. Auburn fights and aTm appears to be preparing for a fight and they are praised. Would someone explain this logic?

  19. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 5:25 PM

    @manik56

    That is what I do not get. Also check out the T Town Menswear scandal… Bama got away with pretty much the exact same thing as this…

  20. jessejames182 says: Aug 6, 2013 5:34 PM

    This is ESPN looking to tear him down. Where is the evidence? Every story that comes out about him is just college kid stuff, but he won a Heisman so he’s supposed to be a huge role model? Because football players never do anything shady? I hope the Manziel’s counter-sue the hell out of this broker. You can’t just pick on these athletes because you know they’re under a microscope and can’t really do anything to fight back. The NCAA has these athletes in a vice squeezing them for all they’re worth then jumps down their throat when some “unknown” source blows smoke up their skirt.

  21. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 5:40 PM

    @jessejames

    You don’t think a video Manziel signing three hundred items for an “autograph broker” is evidence?

    What color is the sky on your planet?

  22. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 5:43 PM

    I really don’t understand this kid. This isn’t some poor kid, needing money. Does he have any concept of team? He is killing his NFL stock. Sure, a cb or wr can be selfish, but you don’t want that in a qb. I hate to say it, but from what I’ve read, his parents have failed him.

  23. jessejames182 says: Aug 6, 2013 6:05 PM

    @pricecube

    I haven’t seen the video. I can’t find the video. If I saw the video I might think something different. It’s just some shady guy trying to sell a video, was it doctored, does it show 300 helmets? I dunno I’d like to see it, but the guy won’t show it till somebody buys it. I just don’t understand why nobody wants to think he’s innocent until proven guilty. There was also a story about T’eo’s heartbreaking story about losing his girlfriend that all the sports channeled covered. I get that fans are rabid, and commenters want to mess with other commenters, but I’ll believe the kid over the people making money off of his name throughout this.

  24. barkleyblows says: Aug 6, 2013 6:09 PM

    This D Bag fits right in with the rest of that SEC trash. Nothing will happen.

  25. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 6:21 PM

    @jessejames

    Fair enough… but I am pretty sure we will be seeing the video soon enough. Like I mentioned above… it makes perfect sense the broker would want to have video evidence as proof the autograph is legit for buyers.

  26. fnc111 says: Aug 6, 2013 6:24 PM

    Kill em , lynch himmmmmm

  27. gorilladunk says: Aug 6, 2013 6:26 PM

    @jessejames…man, you seem to post the SAME THING every time you get on this site. Something new, original and a little bit thought provoking would be appreciated.

  28. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 6:36 PM

    I wonder if the IRS is interested in this… it sounds like Manziel could have easily cleared six figures last year if he spent eight hours signing footballs, A&M jerseys, helmets and sundry tchotchkes.

    It is hard to believe adults pay exorbitant sums for this crap because a 19 yr old signed their name on it. I am a fan of college football but I will never understand that mindset.

  29. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Aug 6, 2013 6:37 PM

    @mancave001

    “Change the damn rules already, because they are stupid and grossly unfair to players. I’m surprised there aren’t more lawsuits on this issue, frankly.”

    There are too many inherit problems with letting 3rd parties pay student athletes for “autographs” without any sort of regulation.

    I’ll find the best high school senior on the planet and offer to pay him a million dollars to sign autographs for me BUT only if in the picture he’s in a University of _____ jersey.

    Surely you can see how selling merchandise will become just another outlet to funnel illegal money to recruits and players right?

    There’s no way to regulate it, so there’s no way to allow it.

  30. mogogo1 says: Aug 6, 2013 7:17 PM

    This kid has torpedoed his image quite well in one short offseason. And I’m willing to bet with all the distractions (along with the fact defenses will have had a whole year to scheme for him) that his play will drop off considerably this year.

  31. dkhhuey says: Aug 6, 2013 7:54 PM

    Johnny Arrogant seems to be dead set on f@#$ing up his NFL potential… get the popcorn, this is going to get entertaining!!!

  32. dcroz says: Aug 6, 2013 8:08 PM

    pricecube:

    You post that idiotic nonsense about Ohio State “cooperating” with the NCAA and getting vilified for it, but then you have the nerve to ask jessejames what color the sky is on his planet? Since when did tOSU and Jim Tressel lying out their collective ass become cooperation? Nevermind the color of the sky; is the planet you currently orbit even in the Milky Way galaxy? And you people call us Southerners stupid….

  33. mstiger1 says: Aug 6, 2013 8:38 PM

    Hey Barkleyblowsblows, do you go from story to story posting the same thing every day? You should get a life. You should also come on over and watch some “real football” in the SEC. I’ll bet you are a USC fan, huh?

  34. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 8:46 PM

    Barkleyblows is a sad person. The SEC owns him, bad. We crush his spirit, daily.

    That’s awesome! On Aug 6, 2013 7:38 PM, “CollegeFootballTalk” wrote:

    > ** > mstiger1 commented: “Hey Barkleyblowsblows, do you go from story to > story posting the same thing every day? You should get a life. You should > also come on over and watch some “real football” in the SEC. I’ll bet you > are a USC fan, huh?”

  35. pandebailey says: Aug 6, 2013 8:54 PM

    So this story is guessing that the NCAA along with about 200 sports media types can’t get the goods on a sloppy, money-hungry, rich boy college soph?

    I’d take that bet…..Johnnie Foul-up will get caught.

  36. Slim Charles says: Aug 6, 2013 8:59 PM

    Who cares? It’s his name. I guess like any mafia or the IRS, the NCAA is gonna come down hard because Manziel dared to make money without letting them wet their beak.

  37. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 9:03 PM

    @dcroz

    I never said anything about Ohio State cooperating… Quite the opposite. Here is my post from yesterday in the thread about A&M using Cam Newton’s law firm:

    “I always hear that Ohio State got nailed so hard for tattoogate because the coverup is allegedly worse than the actual crime. The Vest tried to sweep everything under the rug and that is why the penalties were so harsh… but from what I can tell that is what every major program does. T Town Menswear was swept under the rug at Bama. $cam Newton at Auburn… ditto…. and now this … A&M lawyers up and is looking to make it disappear.”

    And btw I AM a southerner and lifelong SEC fan…

  38. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 9:06 PM

    The suit store issue at Bama wasn’t swept under the rug, the university sent a cease and desist letter to the store. Then, turned all info over to the NCAA. In fact, the NCAA applauded Alabama’s handling of the situation.

  39. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 9:20 PM

    @normtide

    Nothing happened… Bama investigated itself on the matter. It is a joke. Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, Terrence Cody… Too many Bama players to list should have lost their eligibility… The whole thing stinks… if you could take off your crimson colored glasses you might be able to smell it.

    http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/tag/T_Town_Menswear

  40. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 9:28 PM

    I honestly try not to wear any colored glasses. I’m not the kind of fan that wears blinders. I try to use my brain when posting, not my heart. Yes, something wrong happened, but the university reacted as soon as they found out. This day and age, that’s really all you can do. In the end, the NCAA said Bama did the right thing, and I see no reason to doubt that.

  41. daveinfw says: Aug 6, 2013 9:34 PM

    The NCAA is a joke. If this was a second stringer he would already be gone. Different rules for different players…….a joke!

  42. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 9:36 PM

    Oh, and if you think the NCAA likes Bama so much they wouldn’t come after them, I suggest you do a little research. They let UT of the hook with Tee Martin, and others, for information against Alabama. Fulmer had to video conference the sec media days because he was being sued to divulge info on the case.

  43. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 9:46 PM

    @normtide

    The issue I have is that Ohio State was not allowed to do their own little investigation and have the NCAA just accept their word. It seems like a double standard. The NCAA went after OSU. There is no telling what would have been discovered if the NCAA crawled up Bama’s ass with a microscope. Look at that picture of Trent Richardson filling up a brand new 40k SUV in the link above. TR had two kids and (unlike Manziel) comes from a poor family. He was a college football player at the time and barred from even having a job. How do you explain that? The NCAA never bothered investigating any of it. There was so much more and it was so brazen. It is baffling but it sure seems to me that Bama was treated differently than USC or OSU. I feel Auburn got away with one on the Cam situation as well.

    It does not look like Manziel or aTm are going to get away with this though.

  44. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 9:51 PM

    @normtide

    I remember the whole Logan Young incident… The guy was paying high schooler’s coaches six figure sums to attend Bama or something? Somehow every Bama fan seems to think that it was somehow Fulmer’s fault… although they never deny the cheating. I have heard Fulmer turned them in but I have never seen any evidence that he did it to get Tee Martin off. Do you have any proof of that or is it speculation?

  45. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 10:00 PM

    OSU investigated, then the vest lied to the NCAA. The NCAA also allowed players that should have been ineligible play in the bowl game against Arkansas. Also, OSU got to pick which year the bowl ban would happen.

    I see no reason to say the NCAA likes Alabama, in fact, the evidence points in the other direction. Auburn is one of the most penalized programs in the history of the NCAA.

    To me, the moral of the story is to cooperate. Oregon did, and things went well. After that, I can’t explain the NCAA. I would say if you hate college football that bad, so supporting them.

    I would like to add- why does everyone assume every black athlete comes from a poor family. Your telling me that you know for a fact, no one in Trent’s extended family has any money? I can see if he shows up driving a different car every three months. I see black people driving nice cars all the time. I don’t assume they are criminals, if you do, that’s your issue.

  46. Slim Charles says: Aug 6, 2013 10:02 PM

    It’s pretty telling that most of the people here are liberally mixing Manziel with SEC in their moral judgments. The most hilarious thing about college football fandom is people trying to pretend that they actually hate the act Manziel allegedly committed when in fact it’s just homerism against a conference that they are annoyed wins so much. It’s the only reasonable explanation, I mean you’d have to be insane to actually think there’s something morally wrong (since it isn’t illegal) with a guy taking advantage of idiots who want stuff with his name on it,right?

    Full disclosure: I’m a Notre Dame fan whose team was utterly destroyed, beaten in every facet of the game by an SEC team. Crazily enough, it didn’t turn me into an irrational idiot baby. Weird stuff.

  47. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 10:06 PM

    Fulmer refused to testify in the law suit trying to obtain info. He refused to enter the state of Alabama for fear of being served. The man behind the suit was killed (unrelated), and the suit ended, and he came to the state after. Its widely reported that Martin revived money from a UT booster. Not denying Bama was wrong and deserved sanctions. I do deny any NCAA bias toward Alabama.

    Do I need a smoking gun to believe what happened, but you just need sports by Brooks? Please, at least be consistent.

  48. dcroz says: Aug 6, 2013 10:16 PM

    normtide:

    Actually, Trent’s extended family does have money. The mother of his two children (not sure if they eventually married) is the sister of current WWE wrestlers Jimmy and Jay Uso and the daughter of WWE veteran Rikishi. They, in turn, are related to the A’noi family which includes Afa and Sika (The Wild Samoans), the late Umaga, and Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson through his mother.

  49. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 10:19 PM

    Sports by Brooks has the smoking guns though. They were scattered all over Facebook. That speeding ticket showing Trent Richardson as the owner of a 40k vehicle is a smoking gun. If you were to show me similar proof that Fulmer turned in Bama because Tennessee was paying Tee Martin I would believe you.

  50. barbeaux says: Aug 6, 2013 10:25 PM

    Isn’t it a bit odd that people are saying “oh, he did this but no I’m not cooperating?” These days rumors proliferate so easily that the truth doesn’t matter.

  51. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 10:25 PM

    Is it illegal for him to own an SUV? Does the title to it say “paid for by a booster”? He owned an SUV, that’s your smoking gun? Or is it that all black people are too poor to own an SUV? Read the post before yours. Could a family member have bought it for him, knowing he would be a pro one day?

    What explanation do you have for Fulmer attending media days through a video screen? That’s more of a smoking gun then a black man owning an SUV.

  52. barbeaux says: Aug 6, 2013 10:26 PM

    By the way, does anyone remember when espn used to reports facts, scores and highlights instead of “well his brother’s cousin’s cousin’s neighbor’s friend’s AA counselor said……”

  53. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 10:28 PM

    I agree barbeaux. OTL has become a joke. It’s like the national inquirer has a sports TV show

  54. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 10:37 PM

    @normtide

    It is not illegal for him to own an SUV… and you are the only one who keeps bringing up his race… whatever you are attempting to imply by that is on you… not me. I read that TR was from a poor family at outkickthecoverage or SportsbyBrooks… it has been a couple of years. I think it should have been investigated… follow the money. I think that is what they are going to do with Manziel, although it will be more difficult as his family is loaded.

  55. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 10:39 PM

    Just to clarify, I’m not naive enough to think most star players at major programs across the country aren’t getting some extra benefits. It’s impossible to stop, cash can’t be traced. You only get caught if your stupid, or you don’t care. I think Johnny don’t care, bottom line.

    Btw, I doubt any brokers will turn on him, it would devalue their merchandise.

  56. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 10:40 PM

    I don’t see Fulmer not attending SEC media days as a sign of anything more than not wanting to travel into enemy territory at a time when the entire Alabama football nation wanted to see his head on a pike. A lot of those people are nuts… just look at the dying trees at Toomer’s corner…

  57. normtide says: Aug 6, 2013 10:48 PM

    Price- you keep saying that him owning an SUV is a smoking gun. Again, sports by Brooks is your source? I think race does influence your view.

    Fulmer didn’t have a problem coming to Alabama after the suit was dropped, people were still upset with him. That’s a pretty weak excuse. Who has the colored glasses on now, my friend? Alabama has had it’s share of trouble, trouble it deserved. So had UT. It seems your thrusting stones inside a glass house.

    Alas, work tomorrow, so bed for me. Have a good week and good luck this year. I expect a much improved set of Vols out there. Think you have the right coach for the job.

  58. pricecube says: Aug 6, 2013 11:01 PM

    I agree … I have been a UT fan most of my life … and when I hear Bama fans spinning their elaborate conspiracy theory about how Fulmer exculpated Tennessee while simultaneously bringing Alabama football to its knees I have never totally understood it… I imagine it is probably very similar to how most Bammers feel when T Town Menswear is brought up or Aubies feel when the Cam Newton saga is dragged out into the daylight.
    :)

    Speaking of which… I am nervous about whatever Butch Jones is doing… Not sure how he is putting the class together that he has .. I am objective enough that I would not fault anyone for musing about whether his recruiting is on the up and up… With the lack of success over the previous decade it kind of defies logic.

  59. barbeaux says: Aug 7, 2013 12:03 AM

    I’ve seen some of TN’s recruits, and they seem pretty beastly…and they seem like good kids that are going there to make a difference or to have an impact….I think that’s something that gets overlooked. I’d dare say that a vast majority of athletes want to start and want to have an impact.

  60. dkhhuey says: Aug 7, 2013 9:35 AM

    I hate to take the pro NCAA stance because it is grossly unpopular at this point in history but there are asinine rules in place for a reason – cheaters!!! There is a long and well documented history of schools, coaches, alumni, boosters doing anything and everything to give their universities the edge when it comes to securing the talents of these kids! There absolutely needs to be a governing body in place to ensure, to the best of their abilities, that the rules in place are followed and punishment dealt to those in non compliance. Yes, there needs to be an overhaul of the rules and the NCAA’s recent penalty assessments need to be more consistent – but there needs to be a governing body in place!

    Let the down voting begin!!!

  61. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 7, 2013 10:01 AM

    Here’s some insight into the NCAA’s hypocrisy… Jay Bilas tweeted that if you went to NCAAshop.com which is an online merchandise store run by the NCAA and did a search for “Johnny Manziel”, A&M #2 jerseys and Tshirts with the #2 and “Football” on the back came up. Or if you searched “Jadaveon Clowney” SC #7 jerseys came up. The list goes on and on.

    They are DIRECTLY profiting of a players name while telling the player he/she is not able to do so. The NCAA removed the search feature already.

    I understand that the rules are not going to be retroactively applied to Manziel but I really feel like this makes it into the O’Bannon cases and rule changes are coming.

  62. geodude11 says: Aug 7, 2013 10:45 AM

    That guy could not be that stupid to have accepted money for autographs while still in school.

  63. barbeaux says: Aug 7, 2013 11:42 AM

    Ruh roh….one of these brokers also has items from clowney, Braxton miller, bridgewater….that’s intriguing.

  64. saadasme says: Aug 7, 2013 11:56 AM

    Why is he the only one that can’t make a profit on his image or name? The University certainly has made money, NCAA is making money and even if he signed the autographs for free, the broker is allowed to make money without breaking the current antiquated rules. In the Professional ranks they have a union that represents the players, who represents the student athlete against the NCAA? Who or What institution or union can the student athlete turn to for help in representing their concerns (rule changes, sharing in profits made by the NCAA using their likeness in Video Games or advertising). A great number of you say that the rules are the rules and they must be follow. But how do the student athlete change the rules when they don’t have a voice or representation in the rule making process!

  65. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 7, 2013 12:49 PM

    barbeaux says:
    Aug 7, 2013 11:42 AM
    Ruh roh….one of these brokers also has items from clowney, Braxton miller, bridgewater….that’s intriguing.

    ____________________________

    And with one foul swoop College Football could have no stars this year.

  66. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 7, 2013 1:01 PM

    BTW I just read that the broker has the same amount of Clowney items for sale as he has Manziel items for sale….

  67. barbeaux says: Aug 7, 2013 1:05 PM

    Yep. Interestingly enough, espn hasn’t said a word about it at all even though that article surfaced this morning.

  68. normtide says: Aug 7, 2013 1:09 PM

    Do players deserve a stipend and probably royalties from video games? Yes, no doubt. But, spare me the poor athlete story. Rox figures worth of education for free, plus elite training, room, meals, marketing, medical staff, and they are rock stars on campus. Please, sign me up to be mistreated like that.

    Only a handful of programs actually make money. Paying players would be no problem for Bama, LSU, OSU, UT, USC, but most other programs couldn’t do it. You think recruiting is greasy now? Imagine if paying was legal in the NCAA. And what happens when every woman golfer sues for here money, under title nine?

    Don’t just say pay them, show a plan. Explain how it works.

  69. dvizinat says: Aug 7, 2013 1:22 PM

    Come on Johnny Football! You can’t tell us you NEED the cash. You’ve never had money problems in your life.

  70. barbeaux says: Aug 7, 2013 1:22 PM

    For 2011-2012:
    Texas 77.9 million *profit*
    Michigan 61.6 million *profit*
    Georgia 52.3
    Florida 51.1
    Alabama 45.1
    LSU 44.8
    Auburn 43.8
    Notre dame 43.2
    Arkansas 39.9
    Nebraska 36.4

    Those are all profits in millions, and it’s not the only ones that made a profit…just the top ten. A lot of football programs do make money.

  71. saadasme says: Aug 7, 2013 1:31 PM

    If the school was not making money on the student athletes (football, basketball), then why pay the P.E. teachers millions of dollars and only pay the professors (PhD, Masters) less?

  72. jakasssayswhat says: Aug 7, 2013 1:32 PM

    I’m not excusing Manziel. He’s either an arrogant a$$ or dumber than a box of rocks – probably both, but what is the deal with these “brokers?!” They pay $$$ for memorabilia that they turn around and sell at a huge mark-up, but that’s not enough. Then they rat out the guy who signed for them and then try to sell the hidden video they supposedly need to authenticate the signature. Good luck Drew Tieman and company in ever finding another athlete to sign for you! # @$$holes!

  73. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 7, 2013 1:43 PM

    @normtide….

    There’s a pretty excellent article that talks about just how you do it. It’s on Wednesday Morning Headlines (Your welcome for the free plug Ben).

    And yes the players get compensated with education, room and board, and tutoring and elite training. For some of them its a good deal, for Johnny Manziel, Clowney, Bridgewater, and others, its not even in the same universe as fair value. Any time you artificially hold down a fair value, a black market will arise…. basic economics.

  74. doggeatdogg says: Aug 7, 2013 2:16 PM

    So no evidence? Rules are rules until they are changed, but until then, he can’t violate them or the NCAA should will be challenged by all else who have been punished for the same thing.

    He’ll most likely get away with it because he feels like Mr. Teflon for now, but things have a way of unraveling for people who are not particularity smart like Manziel. Do you think for one minute this is the last of his misdeeds?? He reminds me of teenagers who have unprotected sex, speed, and do drugs because as you know, they are invincible. He is wealthy so it’s invincibility on steroids. Stay tuned.

  75. normtide says: Aug 7, 2013 8:43 PM

    But can the school treat these star players differently them a female golfer? And yes, football does profit, but every other sport costs money. Most athletic programs don’t make money. Maryland is a great example. That’s why I repeat, you need an actual plan, it won’t be simple. And I’m sorry, but an education is worth far more then just tuition. Why do we devalue that? Most players are not going to the NFL. You ask any student paying their own way if they would trade places with the football star. What is free NFL training worth? It’s internship, with a fan following. Then there is the question, how do you decide worth? Does the qb and punter make the same?

    The B1G already said they won’t pay. And, if they do, would they pay as good as the football mad SEC or big 12? Current expenditures comparisons say no. There would bee no more little guys, non BCS teams couldn’t play at the to level. Listen to the accusations about the SEC now, would fans like it if they actually did out spend other leagues?

    If it’s equal pay, how do you enforce it? Things liked Jersey sells % would never work. Rich boosters would just promise large Jersey sells to recruits.

    Like I said before, I truly believe in a stipend for the revenue sports athletes. Just don’t open that bottle until you know exactly how to the tame the genie inside. You see how many millionaire pros act, do you want to lower the average maturity of those guys?

    Also, at least acknowledge the many benefits they already get. Take a minute and put a price on them.

  76. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 7, 2013 9:17 PM

    Pay for play is coming. Even now, Universities are quietly evaluating actuarial studies on an athletic budget that factors in an annual stipend of $2,000 per athlete per year per sport. Take a hypothetical of the University of Texas program. 600 student athletes in the entire program. $1,200,000 per year. Texas can support itself. Same with any of the top fifty athletic programs. They can subsidize their own programs.

    The real problem is Division II and Division III school who can’t afford pay to play.

    From what I actually know, The NCAA will have a sixth division. The Big Boy league where top programs can shed the image of “student athletes” and become the actual
    farm system for pro and Olympic sports. TV with heavily subsidize the Big Boy league and the increase in revenue to the NCAA will in turn subsidize the remaining 5 NCAA sub divisions.

    The real question is, are you ready for NFL and NBA pricing for college events?

  77. normtide says: Aug 7, 2013 9:23 PM

    Fully agree Amos. I had heard something like $3600. Maybe even a little more would be fine with me. But, no restrictions on things like selling autographs, game items, and the like could never be made equal. Full out, player worth salaries would only exacerbate 90% of the complaints made by posters on this blog.

  78. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 7, 2013 9:40 PM

    Hypothetical for the blog.

    Say the NCAA cannot prove Manziel has received any compensation what so ever from the brokers or their unnamed sources. Where does Manziel go to get his reputation back? What happens if Manziel is the unnamed plantiff in the O’Bannion
    case that the NCAA has agreed not to retaliate against?

    Personally, I’m from a different era. If Manziel did accept money for his signatures, then he should be suspended, case closed, period, end of story.

    A&M is not under investigation. Nor should be. Everything I have seen, A&M has cooperated with the NCAA in every request and every inquiry from the NCAA. By handing the case to the same firm that represented Auburn in the Cam Newton case, A&M is looking out for it’s own self interests. Those interests are to get through the entire football season, to protect it’s image and more importantly, it’s revenue stream.

    Should A&M go 11-2 again, end up in the top 5, and Manziel declares for the draft,
    A&M is home free. I don’t believe that the NCAA can win unless a smoking gun is found in Manziel bank accounts. IRS? Nope, the “income” has yet to be reported
    to the IRS in the current year through the form of a W-2 or 1099c filing. I seriously doubt that the brokers in question would even consider filing a 1099c because that in turn would raise questions on any other athlete that the broker had autographs from. You think a broker is going to keep meticulous records of outflow and inflow in what is usually an all cash business?

  79. normtide says: Aug 7, 2013 10:11 PM

    Either way, the NCAA should make a decision in eligibility before the season starts. That would be fair to A&M. Maybe they should do like Auburn did with Newton. Suspend Johnny, then apply for his reinstatement, forcing the NCAA to make a decision. That was a brilliant move by Auburn. I’m sure those attorneys will use that tactic again.

    I think A&M would still have a good year without Johnny, but a better one with him. But, they should get some guidance from the NCAA about how to go forward.

  80. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 8, 2013 10:12 AM

    normtide says:
    Aug 7, 2013 10:11 PM

    I think A&M would still have a good year without Johnny, but a better one with him
    _______________________________

    Possibly, but the offense right now is built around him and his scrambling ability and neither of the next 2 guys in line have that kind of ability to my knowledge. I still worry about their defense regardless of who’s slinging the rock.

    Plus Bama and LSU are both coming off of bye weeks when they play A&M.

  81. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 8, 2013 10:18 AM

    amosalanzostagg says:
    Aug 7, 2013 9:40 PM

    Personally, I’m from a different era. If Manziel did accept money for his signatures, then he should be suspended, case closed, period, end of story.

    ________________________________

    Couldn’t agree more. I’m starting to feel like he might walk away from this with just a tarnished rep and media scrutiny, but that doesn’t mean it will be fair. If he was paid for autographs, he needs to be suspended. No the length of the supsension might be up for depbate but in my eyes, he should get the same deal as the OSU guys and get 5 games.

  82. normtide says: Aug 8, 2013 10:25 AM

    Don’t misunderstand he, I don’t want Johnny suspended for the Bama game. I would rather lose to your best then beat your backups. I was the same way with auburn and cam. It hurt to lose, but I want our best against your best. Line up and see who wins.

  83. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 8, 2013 11:09 AM

    I don’t think anyone ‘wants’ that. Especially CBS and the people who paid $1k+ for a ticket. But the reality is that it’s very possible for that to be the case. I mean I don;t think we’re beating Bama with Manziel at this point, and we’re definitely not winning with whoever they decide is next in line.

    I agree with you that the NCAA needs to hurry up on this and get this resolved before the season starts. If they are going to suspend him, get it over with and let us start preparing with Jeockel or Davis.

  84. barbeaux says: Aug 9, 2013 12:16 AM

    Whoa…….now it’s reported that there is no ncaa investigation nor ncaa allegations against manziel??? That it’s just espn press hype???

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