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Another day, another Manziel allegation connecting him to autograph signings

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It had been a whole four days since anything related to the NCAA investigation of Johnny Manziel came up, so we were probably due.

ESPN’s “Outside the Lines” reported Monday night that the Heisman Trophy winner is connected to another pair of autograph sessions: one in South Florida after the BCS championship in January, and another one later that month in Houston. In all, OTL claims Manziel did six signings for three brokers in three states in less than a month, signing his name to various pieces of memorabilia a whopping 4,400 times.

Like all previous reports, there is no evidence of money being exchanged between Manziel and a broker. In fact, OTL’s latest piece never mentions Manziel receiving payments for the two newly reported sessions, in which he allegedly signed around 1,500 pieces of memorabilia per session.

But while trying to pin down a money trail remains an important part of investigating Manziel, it’s possible the redshirt sophomore could face consequences for violating another NCAA bylaw: 12.5.2.2, which requires a student-athlete to make every effort to stop the sale of products featuring his or her likeness. It may be a laughable rule, but it’s a rule nonetheless. Signing over 4,000 autographs in a month (or a even a modest 1,500 autographs) for multiple brokers (allegedly) would imply Manziel had absolutely no intention of preventing the sale of those items.

Manziel’s lawyers, as well as Texas A&M’s legal counsel, however, have a strong interest in doing so. OTL reports that multiple autographed Manziel items on eBay have been taken down via prompts from Manziel’s representation.

Even other programs not affected by the Manziel story are following suit. Last week, USC sent out a release stating it had sent a cease and desist letter for an autograph of wide receiver Marqise Lee that was for sale. Similarly, Ohio State and South Carolina announced that they had found no wrongdoing in the sale of autographs from Braxton Miller and Jadeveon Clowney, respectively.

Whether or not the NCAA finds any wrongdoing in Manziel’s case remains to be seen. There are other potential avenues by which the NCAA could find Manziel guilty of violating bylaws. For example, if Manziel’s friend and personal assistant did in fact negotiate, or attempted to negotiate, a signing deal for Manziel on his behalf, he could be considered an agent under the Cam Newton rule.

With multiple angles to the story, it’s quite possible an investigation of Manziel extends past preseason camp.

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54 Responses to “Another day, another Manziel allegation connecting him to autograph signings”
  1. floridacock says: Aug 13, 2013 9:53 AM

    It’s simple. His friend is laundering the money.

  2. palmbeachbuckeye says: Aug 13, 2013 9:55 AM

    $EC, $EC, $EC. “Bagmen” are supplied upon signing the $EC scholarship papers…

  3. cuckflemson says: Aug 13, 2013 9:57 AM

    A buckeye fan bashing the SEC. That’s cute.

  4. alligatorsnapper says: Aug 13, 2013 9:58 AM

    It appears more and more…that Manziel’s and TAMU’s attorneys will earn their money before this is over.

    The NCAA needs to get rid of a majority of its nitpicking regs on its huge book. 12.5.2.2 appears to be in that group.

    Even if these thousands of autographs do not eliminate Manziel from playing for TAMU this season, it sure appears it can be a distraction, which Johnny Football and TAMU do not need with the SEC schedule coming up soon. We will see how well Johnny can put all this behind him and focus on football.

    Bring on the games already!

  5. bertenheim says: Aug 13, 2013 9:59 AM

    When (if?) Manziel plays against Alabama and A&M gets stomped, none of this will really matter.

  6. lethimplaycoach says: Aug 13, 2013 10:05 AM

    “USC sent out a release stating it had sent a cease and desist letter for an autograph of wide receiver Marqise Lee that was for sale.”

    Some attorney explain this. If I see Marquise Lee and ask him to sign a picture and he does, and I later decide to sell it, it is my property to do with what I want, is it not?

    Is this just an example of a powerful, wealthy organization intimidating someone, knowing they would be laughed out of court if it went that far?

  7. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 13, 2013 10:09 AM

    Interesting it is OTL “reporting”. It is a moot point that Manziel merely sought to protect his image, his likeness, and trademark Johnny Football moniker through copyright. That pissed off the autograph brokers big time. It cut off the opportunity to make money off the kid.

    So the brokers said that Manziel signed the autographs, hundreds of thousands of them, even millions of them. Until one broker comes forward and shows a receipt or cancelled check that shows he paid Manziel or his designate, there is no story.

    No such evidence will ever be produced, because the IRS will then ask the brokers “Where are your tax filings showing you paid Manziel (or Clowney or Miller)” and the broker just happens not to have them.

    In this age of social media, I would why TMZ hasn’t paid for the video? Could it be that TMZ is smarter than ESPN and knowing this is a non story?

    A person is innocent until proven guilty. If Manziel did take the money, he deserves everything he wrought upon himself. If he didn’t, where does he go to get his reputation back?

    RTR

  8. thraiderskin says: Aug 13, 2013 10:29 AM

    If he took money, fine, nail him to a wall, but signing your name to private property for free? WTF??? Really NCAA?

  9. mikebrownmustdie says: Aug 13, 2013 10:41 AM

    somehow this is Urban Meyer’s fault…

  10. ksiner says: Aug 13, 2013 11:11 AM

    He’s a Texan, he’s allowed to break the rules just like Bush and Lance Armstrong

  11. tobeexact says: Aug 13, 2013 11:14 AM

    This is hypocrit emmeret trying to keep himself from being investigated. He himself was selling manzels autograph on a secret site discovered by an espn reporter and when made public the site dissapeared. And its not the only shady or questionable info on him. The ncaa is a non profit organization and his salary is more then most fbs coaches, the ncaa took in over a billion dollars from the use of all the universities names and no one knows where the money goes and since it is a non profit organization ,what a f’ing joke , they do not have to disclose the info .
    Thats one reason im hoping the judge allows the paterno family lawsuit go to court, because then they wil have to disclose all that other wise private paperwork that they dont want anyone to see.
    He and the ncaa comittee are a joke.

  12. florida727 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:26 AM

    Hate to sound like I’m convicting Johnny of wrongdoing without proof, but who in their right mind signs their name 4,400 times WITHOUT getting paid? What? Nothing else going on that day so I think I’ll autograph 4,400 pieces of sports memorabilia so someone else can make money? Sorry, just doesn’t add up. They may not be able to PROVE he got paid, and therein lies the rub. The guess here is that he plays, from week 1 on.

  13. tbutler704 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:35 AM

    ” 12.5.2.2, which requires a student-athlete to make every effort to stop the sale of products featuring his or her likeness. It may be a laughable rule, but it’s a rule nonetheless.”

    Laughable, stupid, outrageous, ridiculous…..

  14. pfitz2 says: Aug 13, 2013 11:35 AM

    tobeexact “He himself was selling manzels autograph on a secret site discovered by an espn reporter and when made public the site dissapeared.”

    It wasn’t a “secret site” at all. It has always been on the NCAA website. Saying Jay Bilas “discovered”it is like saying Columbus discovered America.

  15. oldforester says: Aug 13, 2013 12:08 PM

    Please remember the recent statements from the power conference commissioners regarding their dislike and growing intolerance of the NCAA. This is a tipping point that could be the final straw allowing (politically) the power conferences to gain fan and administration support to revamp college football and diminish the NCAA’s role. As the stain on this event grows it will cover the Alabama vs A&M game. The game will become a showcase for the hypocrisy of the NCAA as well it should.

  16. happster says: Aug 13, 2013 12:08 PM

    Come on Johnny…you know that only TAM and the NCAA can make money off your name. Get with the program man! F em. Stick it to ‘em Johnny. The public doesn’t care.

  17. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 13, 2013 12:16 PM

    ksiner says:
    Aug 13, 2013 11:11 AM
    He’s a Texan, he’s allowed to break the rules just like Bush and Lance Armstrong

    ______________________________

    Because only Texans break the rules apparently….

  18. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 13, 2013 12:20 PM

    bertenheim says:
    Aug 13, 2013 9:59 AM
    When (if?) Manziel plays against Alabama and A&M gets stomped, none of this will really matter.

    ____________________________

    That just kind feels like the inevitable end to the relevance of this story.

  19. WACANHFL says: Aug 13, 2013 12:51 PM

    Greed is Good.

  20. thraiderskin says: Aug 13, 2013 12:54 PM

    It doesn’t matter what any of you think, its what you can prove… johnny signed tons of autographs, there is no proof of payment (at this time), but there is proof signed lots of stuff and that is what he can get nailed for and that’s stupid as hell.

  21. 80wise says: Aug 13, 2013 1:00 PM

    NCAA rule 12.5.2.2 is easy for any student athlete to comply with – DON’T OFFER UP YOUR AUTOGRAPH. To do so is an exercise in poor judgement. There will be plenty of time after your senior year to make money away from NCAA restrictions. Just get an education; play great football and set yourself up for a big NFL pay check.

  22. gborange says: Aug 13, 2013 1:19 PM

    No money, no case! Go Johnny Go! Not an A&M fan but nobody has been waiting 10 months to see his backup get steamrolled by the tide

  23. pensman29 says: Aug 13, 2013 1:41 PM

    It is said Johnny is worth 37 million to texas a and m and he doesn’t get a cent of it.

  24. bigdinla says: Aug 13, 2013 1:44 PM

    NCAA/ does not have to “prove” anything. The money trail does not have to be found for him to be ruled ineligible. There have been plenty of cases where money was never found, but school was penalized. It does not matter what we think of the rules. It only matters what the NCAA believes. If they decide there is enough evidence( they decide what is enough) he will be ruled ineligible.

  25. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 13, 2013 1:51 PM

    Aug 13, 2013 11:35 AM
    tobeexact “He himself was selling manzels autograph on a secret site discovered by an espn reporter and when made public the site dissapeared.”

    _______________________

    It wasn’t Manziel’s autograph, just the A&M #2 jersey and T Shirts with A&M Logo and #2 on the back. The NCAA selling CURRENT student athletes autographs would then have the student in violation of NCAA bylaw: 12.5.2.2.

    They did have former students autographs. Like an autographed pic of Reggie Bush in the ’04 Orange Bowl … that was vacated… AND they were selling t shirts commemorating Joe Pa’s 400th win …..that was vacated.

    It’s so hypocritical that the NCAA punishes schools and then profits off of the infractions.

    They say they don’t make money directly off of the sales as they are just a pass through for Fanatics Sports but I guarantee you that Fanatics Sports pays the NCAA for the right to sell their stuff on their website.

  26. wretchu says: Aug 13, 2013 2:14 PM

    80wise says: Aug 13, 2013 1:00 PM

    NCAA rule 12.5.2.2 is easy for any student athlete to comply with – DON’T OFFER UP YOUR AUTOGRAPH. To do so is an exercise in poor judgement. There will be plenty of time after your senior year to make money away from NCAA restrictions. Just get an education; play great football and set yourself up for a big NFL pay check.

    Who’s to say he’ll still be relevant after his senior year? Maybe he goes out to practice next week, blows out his shoulder, and never plays another down again. Or maybe he just starts sucking this season and never gets close to capturing his Heisman Trophy form again. You can’t just assume that he’ll still be a star 2 or 3 years from now. It’s not like he’s Peyton Manning or Tom Brady who’ve had 10+ years of success, who even if they retired today would still have a pretty good career in TV or advertisements for several years more. This kid can turn into a nothing tomorrow, so he SHOULD be capitalizing on his success now.

    I mean yeah, he’s kind of an idiot based on his tweets and actions, but the NCAA’s rules are absolutely asinine, and players should be allowed to capitalize on their fame and accomplishments. If the schools and the NCAA can, why can’t the players themselves?

  27. cometkazie says: Aug 13, 2013 2:23 PM

    lethimplaycoach says:
    Aug 13, 2013 10:05 AM
    “USC sent out a release stating it had sent a cease and desist letter for an autograph of wide receiver Marqise Lee that was for sale.”

    Some attorney explain this. If I see Marquise Lee and ask him to sign a picture and he does, and I later decide to sell it, it is my property to do with what I want, is it not?

    Is this just an example of a powerful, wealthy organization intimidating someone, knowing they would be laughed out of court if it went that far?
    +-+-+
    I AM NO LAWYER.

    I worked in industry as a chemist. Every time I took a new job, I was required to sign over anything I invented/patented/etc over to the company.

    Perhaps the schools have their athletes sign over rights. I don’t know.

    In any case, the schools seem to believe they own their athletes’ autographs.

    It would be nice to have an opinion from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. ;)

  28. florida727 says: Aug 13, 2013 2:34 PM

    WACANHFL says:
    Aug 13, 2013 12:51 PM
    Greed is Good.

    How can anyone read a Gordon Gecko reference from the movie Wall Street and NOT give that a thumbs-up!? Well done, WACANHFL. Well done.

  29. doggeatdogg says: Aug 13, 2013 2:50 PM

    lethimplaycoach says:
    Aug 13, 2013 10:05 AM

    Some attorney explain this. If I see Marquise Lee and ask him to sign a picture and he does, and I later decide to sell it, it is my property to do with what I want, is it not?
    ———
    Not an attorney, but the problem is an appearance of impropriety based on the current NCAA rules. If you turn around and say you gave the player a cut then what. If true or a lie, the player’s eligibility is compromised. He is hosed if you taped the money exchange.

    The question that needs to be answered is whose property is the signature to begin with. The player may start arguing it is theirs, the NCAA and the school via the NCAA may argue it is theirs. This is the problem that has to be solved. If the player sells it on the logo of a football helmet, then we are back to the NCAA rules. It’s a mess.

    The NCAA won’t fix it. They will write a new rule saying no more autographs or selling it on anything period including NCAA products.

  30. bucrightoff says: Aug 13, 2013 2:59 PM

    I’m pulling for TAMU to win the National Title. Another tainted title favoring the SEC would be rich.

  31. bralinshan says: Aug 13, 2013 3:19 PM

    So, Johnny Football was just signing for all of these brokers because…he’s a nice kid.

    Yeah, he’s taking all of this time out, going to different cities, because he just wants to help brokers.

    Yeah, OK.

  32. barbeaux says: Aug 13, 2013 3:38 PM

    TMZ’s errr ESPN’s thirst to bring him down is strong.

  33. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 13, 2013 3:58 PM

    @doggeatdogg & @cometkazie

    I agree that it does seem ridiculous that someone could tell me that I can’t sell something that I own. I’m no lawyer either but its an excellent question.

    When you go a little further down the rabbit hole and bring it back to the Big 10 Kickoff Luncheon last month. That was an event that you paid to get into ($100) and one of the benefits was an autograph session with Big 10 players like Braxton Miller.

    So now you’ve probably paid for the mini helmet, you’ve paid for the autograph (we won’t go into the hypocrisy of that any further), but you don’t own the item somehow…. The NCAA can tell you what you can and can’t do with it. WTF is that???

    At the beginning of this I was angry with Johnny Manziel for letting down A&M fans and CFB fans. While I still harbor some anger towards him, much of my anger is at the NCAA now and the massive hypocrisy that infects the entire system. The “Do as I say, not as I do” doctrine is going to ruin CFB.

  34. Deb says: Aug 13, 2013 4:39 PM

    @bertenheim …

    On a purely selfish note, I desperately want the kid to play against Alabama and to play the game of his college career. I’m confident Alabama will win anyway. After that, whatever happens happens. But my heart goes out to A&M fans.

    And if the Aggies should beat Bama or other teams with Manziel at the helm, I only hope nothing happens to negate the wins down the road. No team or fanbase should be put in this position. I also argued that when it happened to Ohio State … despite idiot fans like palmbeachbuckeye who so quickly forget the corruption in their own house and try to blame their team’s mediocrity on anything other than sorry play. Yeah, dude … teams lost to A&M because Manziel (may have) profited from autograph sales :roll: That was a big help to him on the field.

  35. kristakay1 says: Aug 13, 2013 4:53 PM

    Manziel is a whiney baby who thinks that he can do no wrong and then went he gets called out on it throws a temper tantrum. He thinks he’s going to go into the draft next year so none of this matters. Does he not understand that none of the pro teams are going to pick him up??? Too immature, too short, TOO MUCH DRAMA…

  36. oldforester says: Aug 13, 2013 6:58 PM

    We need to realize that Manziel is a major story because of us. We feed off the drama, like to see the big guy get kicked. Just like at the grocery store check out line we are responsible for all the smut news magazines given a prime spot at the check out line. Why do they get the prime spot? Because we buy them!! We love seeing the stars getting knocked down and spend dollars and time writing and reading about it. Manziel is a talented, brattish, immature young man put into circumstances that he does not have the capacity to handle. The real story is the hypocrisy of A & M and the NCAA using him, making money from him, and not allowing him to profit from his success while everyone else counts their money. So get off his back and after the school administrators, ad’s, bowl committees, and NCAA that profit in the billions from kids who have a right to their own name/number/signature, and profit it generates.

  37. geodude11 says: Aug 13, 2013 7:31 PM

    Johnny should have an untreatable case of carpel tunnel syndrome by now if he actually did any of it!

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  39. ksctychiefs says: Aug 13, 2013 9:36 PM

    in the upper echelon carpeted offices offices of tamu, the ones with the large mahogany desks, they pretty much have to reach the decision to keep him off the field for the season………..because if he plays they may be looking back in december at forfeiting all the 2013 season games…..which wouldnt be fair to all the tamu players out there running gassers in 2 -a -days right now….and because they also dont know what is going to surface yet between now and december…i would like to see him play,a great player!!…….but he is going to have to move on and focus on the nfl draft next year……

  40. jessejames182 says: Aug 13, 2013 10:26 PM

    The funniest part is that ESPN is replaying the Bama A&M gmae right now. Bunch of scumbags.

  41. 1historian says: Aug 14, 2013 7:28 AM

    Johnny Trainwreck

  42. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 14, 2013 10:58 AM

    @kristakay…

    He won a Heisman and was sensational last year.

    With the success of Russell Wilson, RG3, and Colin Kaepernick, I GUARANTEE someone will take a chance on him. Look at Tyrann Mathieu.

    Now I’m almost positive he won’t go in the first or second round with this offseason he’s had (unless he duplicates last years performance, in which case he may go top 5 overall)

    As for his size. I think he’s still growing. He wears a size 15 shoe which is quite large for a 6 footer. Plus I’ve read he has massive hands. He measured at 6′ when he got to A&M and he’s recently been reported at 6′ 1.5″ I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s 6’2″ by the combine.

  43. conwell2549 says: Aug 14, 2013 11:43 AM

    Plenty of other people are allowed to profit off Manziel’s talent and hard work. When an A&M fan purchases a No. 2 jersey, they’re choosing Manziel over any other number available because of what he’s done. Whichever company made that jersey sees the revenue, while Manziel doesn’t see a dime. When EA Sports and Collegiate Licensing Company work together to create a Texas A&M quarterback who’s six feet tall, 200 pounds and rates among the best players in the country for their video game franchise, they eventually profit off a replicated, digital Manziel. When a television company broadcasts an A&M game, they’ll profit off the excitement that Manziel brings to a football field.

  44. geodude11 says: Aug 14, 2013 12:02 PM

    LSU fan here, every story I’ve seen (admittedly I don’t check them all because I am tired of the hearsay nonsense) mentions “no connection to” or “no evidence of payment” as being discovered. If these “reporters” would occupy themselves with something such as farming or automotive repairs while the is no football to report on, maybe we could actually read something with evidence and results!

  45. artisan3m says: Aug 14, 2013 4:59 PM

    I probably know less about this situation than the average college football fan, but consider this as a possibility. These brokers know NCAA rules and are not about to get themselves crosswise with the association. Manziel is fully aware of the rules as every institution drills “compliance” into the heads of all their athletes. So Manziel signs memorabilia on a commission of the sold products, either gross receipts or percentage of the profits. Thus no money has as yet changed hands and the eventual futures payment can be laundered until it is threadbare, making discovery all but impossible. Anyone who thinks a valuable product like Manziel would give away his worth to those who stand to profit from it and he not share in some manner is terribly naive.

  46. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 15, 2013 6:55 PM

    Artisan,

    Memorabilia brokers care about one thing. “Will it make me money.” They could care less about the rules, legal or the NCAA,

    Since the story broke, not one broker has come forward and provided proof that they paid Manziel anything.

    Is Johnny Football stupid? Yes.

    Is Johnny Football a spoiled brat? Sure.

    Is Johnny Football guilty? More than likely.

    The brokers throw numbers out like candy. 4,400 autographs signed by Johnny
    Manziel. That is diluting the value of the autograph big time. The brokers are pissed
    that Manziel copyrighted his image his name and Johnny Football. They cannot make make money, now nor in the future, because Johnny owns the copyright.

    This is really old news. This came out last February and the question you have to ask
    is If Manziel did take the money from brokers, why didn’t OTL ask the pertinent
    question, “Can we see the cancelled check or your billing documentation to Manziel or his designate, because you know you’re going to have to file with the IRS early next year on a 1099c form showing you paid Manziel or who ever received the money?”

    There won’t be any documentation because payments were never made. The brokers gamed OTL for free publicity for their business and presented a nice little
    “screw you” to Manziel.

    He still scares me for the September game.

    RTR

  47. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 16, 2013 11:29 AM

    There was a legal opinion that was trotted out yesterday talking about a obscure Texas law that says anyone who knowingly induces a student athlete into breaking NCAA rules can be held financially liable by the school for lost revenue if the rules infraction led to a suspension or loss of eligibility.

    With the IRS implications and now possible lawsuit implications… I don’t see any of these brokers giving the NCAA anything they can run with.

    The question is, is the smoke thick enough for the NCAA to act without actually seeing the fire?

  48. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 16, 2013 3:19 PM

    8to8,

    Talked with some retired and current AD’s, evidently the “obscure” Texas law isn’t something to mess with. It was enacted by the Texas Legislature as a result of the pay for play scandal at SMU and the old SWC in 1987. It does have national legs since Arkansas was a member of the old SWC. It allows the offending institution to utilize the State of Texas resources to pursue the necessary recovery in State and if necessary, in Federal court.

    I have a feeling that the brokers are suddenly going to close the existing business and recharter under a business alias in order to protect themselves (If they actually are an LLC and not a sole proprietorship, if they are the latter, not even putting assets in relative’s name are going to help the brokers.)

    Looks like Manziel is going to play after all.

    You think brokers are going to say they paid Manziel and face scrutiny by the IRS and the prospect of multimillion dollar lawsuits? The legal costs alone will bankrupt them. Couldn’t happen to a better group.

    RTR

  49. doggeatdogg says: Aug 16, 2013 9:44 PM

    conwell2549 says:
    Aug 14, 2013 11:43 AM–Plenty of other people are allowed to profit off Manziel’s talent and hard work. When an A&M fan purchases a No. 2 jersey, they’re choosing Manziel over any other number available because of what he’s done. Whichever company made that jersey sees the revenue, while Manziel doesn’t see a dime. When EA Sports and Collegiate Licensing Company work together to create a Texas A&M quarterback who’s six feet tall, 200 pounds and rates among the best players in the country for their video game franchise, they eventually profit off a replicated, digital Manziel. When a television company broadcasts an A&M game, they’ll profit off the excitement that Manziel brings to a football field.
    ——
    I couldn’t agree more. Texas law can’t pick and choose who they will prosecute when all are committing the same offense. Also, Manziel did his thing in Florida. Does Texas law apply in Florida. Does it have some federal angle. If anything, the brokers can claim intimidation especially now that their business is getting major scrutiny no thanks to Manziel. They will strike back against whoever unleashes this law against them. I expect to see hard evidence leaked about Manziel as we get closer to ‘the game’.

  50. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 16, 2013 10:26 PM

    doggeatdogg,

    The NCAA is a voluntary national association of colleges and universities. As signatories of the Association, members have designated the governing board, the President and the Board of Trustees of the NCAA to act on behalf of ALL the membership Universities and colleges. All Divison I, II, and III members.

    Texas law can be enforced against outside interests who exert undue influence on ANY student athlete. In can be enforced on the local level civil court system(state) and on the national court level(Federal). The brokers have no leg to stand on WITHOUT showing the payments made to Johnny Manziel or his designate. They
    can’t say they were “intimidated” when the brokers themselves that showed the phone videos to verify Manziel signing autographs, they sought out news sources, and in one case, tried to sell the video to ESPN.

    The brokers do NOT have the necessary deep pockets that the State of Texas and Texas A&M University has available to them. Should new information come out
    against Manziel, A&M wins big time.Why? because their legal teams will ask for all information on the broker( financial books, corporate bank accounts, tax returns, both personal and business) going back years. Since their businesses is usually all cash, that presents a huge problem for a necessary paper trail. Then, business associates, employees(past and present), relatives and any vendor or prospective client will be asked to provide the same information.

    The brokers do NOT want to implicate themselves that will destroy their livelihood. Because discovery will present information that then becomes part of the public record under the Freedom of Information Act and both the NCAA and the IRS will be chomping at the bit to see who received money and who did not report income or submit on a timely basis the appropriate annual tax filings.

    The brokers can sue Johnny Manziel, but they can’t sue Texas or Texas A&M University because A&M wasn’t a party to their business transaction.

    The brokers either have to show that Manziel or his designate was paid in which they get sued or they keep quiet and the whole situation goes away because of an absence of financial wrongdoing on Manziel’s part.

    Simple choice really. Keep your mouth shut and you get to continue your business as usual and the Manziel situation goes away. Open it, and the 24/7/365 cycle of
    sports news has a new scandal to focus on. That is the world we live in today.

    Does this mean Manziel is innocent? Probably not.

    Was he paid? We’ll probably never know.

    Johnny may not be as stupid as people says he is. He copyrighted his likeness, his image and Johnny Football to protect his interests. That is what the brokers are really ticked about. They can’t money on his autograph, his moniker or his image.
    Sucks to be suckered by a red shirt sophomore football player.

    I could see Manziel sits the first two games as a penance, then plays the rest of the year.

    RTR

  51. cometkazie says: Aug 17, 2013 8:15 AM

    Thanks for the information, AAStagg.

    I wish all posts could be on-topic and informative as yours.

  52. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 17, 2013 1:30 PM

    Comet

    TYVM,

    44+ years in college athletic financing does expose you to many wonderful people and great schools around this country.

    RTR

  53. atmason says: Aug 20, 2013 3:36 AM

    What the hell is a “Herbie Hancock”?

  54. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 20, 2013 12:44 PM

    The thing is, the NCAA can still act and that has no bearing on this law. If the NCAA feels they have enough evidence even without proof of payment they can still suspend him. Can they take the rest of his eligibility… doubtful. But they could definitely suspend him.

    Knowing the way the NCAA tends to operate… it will probably be 2 games…. Can’t lose the ratings on Sept 14th can we…?

    Still think the Tide are going to roll us…. hard. A&M’s D is not near as good as it was last year.

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