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Johnny Manziel puts on a show, as only Manziel could

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He waited a full two quarters until being allowed to play a single down for texas A&M, and Johnny Manziel did not disappoint once he did step on the field. Manziel took control of the Aggies offense in the second half and quickly helped Texas A&M pull away from Rice in a 52-31 victory.

And he did it all. He passed for three second-half touchdowns and (just) 94 yards while completing 6-of-8 attempts, rushed for 19 yards and he even showed a bit of his care-free personality, making a money gesture and sending an autograph gesture to a Rice defender for good measure. It was pure Manziel. SB Nation has the animated GIFs of each gesture for a visual reference. Call it the Manziel Sampler: Pass, run and smack talk.

Manziel’s antics will rub many the wrong way of course, after serving a half game suspension that also was poorly received by the critics, but there is no doubting his boldness. That boldness goes with confidence, and Manziel is certainly not short on that front. This is why he is among the top players in the game today.

Rice put up a good fight in the first half but once Manziel took the field it as clear there was no matching the Aggies or possibility of slowing them down with their top offensive player. Manziel aside, Texas A&M did show to have some holes to work on before playing Alabama in two weeks (yes, I know Texas A&M has a game with Sam Houston State next week to get through first).

Rice piled up over 500 yards of offense against the Aggies, with 306 coming on the ground. Rice had a slightly above average offense in 2012, but if the Aggies are going to be a true SEC contender (let alone BCS contender), the defense absolutely must get better and do so in a hurry.

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96 Responses to “Johnny Manziel puts on a show, as only Manziel could”
  1. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Aug 31, 2013 4:53 PM

    Clearly learned his lesson after that stern, message sending punishment by the NCAA.

    I hope we continue to see a modest John Manziel, his attitude is nothing short of commendable.

  2. kordogg says: Aug 31, 2013 5:04 PM

    This guy is starting to seem and act like Ryan Leaf. Good Quarterback, bad character. He was selfish not only today but all this offseason. It was only one game but it just goes to show that he learned nothing and is even mocking the pathetic punishment given to him by the overbearing NCAA. Immature and should not be drafted. Most likely he will be over drafted and given too much too soon just like at A&M, even if he is the clear starter at this time. Clearly reads his own press. He should stay in school and mature not only his attitude but his game as well. None the less great game by Johnny in one half no less.

  3. dcroz says: Aug 31, 2013 5:09 PM

    The way A&M’s defense played today, Johnny Football could hang 40 on ‘Bama’s defense and still lose by two touchdowns. Improve quickly, indeed.

  4. Mythirien says: Aug 31, 2013 5:13 PM

    People should start referring to him as Johnny Ego instead of Johnny Football. Despite being an amazing player, he will self destruct at some point. The only question is will it happen before he reaches the NFL or after?

  5. geodude11 says: Aug 31, 2013 5:17 PM

    Can’t wait to see the ladyzell biaitch in Baton Rouge in late November!!! hahahaha! If she can still walk by then.

  6. bender4700 says: Aug 31, 2013 5:18 PM

    He’s demonstrated no ability to learn from his mistakes.

    15 yard penalty in which EVERYONE is going to be watching him?

    What an idiot.

  7. madtownthrowdown says: Aug 31, 2013 5:20 PM

    Hey Johnny meet my friend, Lamaro Odom. He’ll take care of you. Is that Aaron Hernandez over there?

  8. mauldawg says: Aug 31, 2013 5:31 PM

    Still cant wait until someone plants his ass and he is carried off.

  9. harbourimages says: Aug 31, 2013 5:48 PM

    What a spoiled, egotistical ass this kid is. I hope Bama CRUSHES him, and I’m no Bama fan. This jerk needs to be taken down several pegs or as someone else pointed out here, he’ll go down in flames just like Ryan Leaf!

  10. dolphindubs says: Aug 31, 2013 5:58 PM

    Johnny Douchebag at it again!

  11. meatchickenstillsucks says: Aug 31, 2013 5:58 PM

    Johnny Football? More like Johnny SCUMBAG

  12. Slim Charles says: Aug 31, 2013 6:10 PM

    Haha this was awesome. I love Manziel. Most fun player to watch in college football. Anyone who has a problem with him mocking the idiotic NCAA penalty is fan of a rival team/conference.

  13. be4bama says: Aug 31, 2013 6:27 PM

    Dag gum him. I was a huge Johnny fan last year. After his actions over the summer and today he is longer worthy.

  14. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Aug 31, 2013 6:31 PM

    @Slim Charles

    “Anyone who has a problem with him mocking the idiotic NCAA penalty is fan of a rival team/conference.”

    So anyone who doesn’t like John Manziel is a fan of literally every other team besides Texas A&M?

    I tell you, that’s some rock solid police work there McNulty.

  15. apkyletexas says: Aug 31, 2013 6:37 PM

    Pointing at the scoreboard is a freaking penalty?

    I don’t care for A&M, but get real here – how long until it’s a penalty for “trying to win”?

  16. barkleyblows says: Aug 31, 2013 6:41 PM

    Is this kid on medication? Seems like he needs some. Or his face knocked in?

  17. be4bama says: Aug 31, 2013 6:46 PM

    Johnny’s daddy needs to whip his a$$.

  18. jimbo75025 says: Aug 31, 2013 7:17 PM

    Let him keep running his mouth (or his fingers). While Rice may not be capable of putting much hot sauce on him, I can think of a few teams on the schedule of A&M who can.

  19. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 7:42 PM

    Considering the comments here, I think that most of you wanted to see Johnny Manziel fall on his face today. I am happy to see he dissapointed you all. Considering the amount of pressure and problems he has, both self inflicted and external, he handled himself as a 20 year old would….. as expected, except for one thing.

    After he got the unsportsman like conduct penalty, he walked by and ignored his head coach.
    Kevin Sumlin benched him after that. I hope that got Johnny Football’s attention.

    Kevin Sumlin continues to impress me as a very good coach. As an Aggie fan, that is what I took away from this game as a very positive outlook.

    As for the haters here, Aggies do not have time for you. We will be moving foward to greater things.

  20. barbeaux says: Aug 31, 2013 8:23 PM

    According to the rice player’s twitter feed, manziel said hi nice hit when he got the unsportsmanlike penalty.

  21. cardmagnet says: Aug 31, 2013 8:37 PM

    This guy playing is a joke. The NCAA is a joke. The SEC bias is a joke.

  22. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 8:41 PM

    The Texas Tech QB made this ‘dual money fingers’ motion last night. Johnny Manziel did it today, and was critizised for it by every sports critic on every channel, and now the Clemsen QB just did it after a touchdown.

    Does this mean Johnny Football is wrong because people think its wrong? Or does it mean that fools are upset about nothing.

  23. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 8:46 PM

    In fact, I’m pretty sure I saw Kliff Kingsbury mirroring the ‘dual money fingers’ motion to his QB after a TD.

    Old fools. Please be quiet before you comment.

  24. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 8:55 PM

    It’s still 0-0 between NM State and the longhorns in the 2nd quarter. :)

    Lots of but hurt today for the Aggie haters.

  25. barbeaux says: Aug 31, 2013 9:01 PM

    Manziel was doing that sign last year. It’s a regime thing.

  26. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 9:04 PM


    If Johnny Manziel got the ‘money fingers’ symbol/demostration from Kliff Kingbury, is it a bad thing?

    Use your brains here people. I know its a complicated social situation for football culture….

    Yo, football fans, the ‘money fingers’ aint for you, its for those that know its a sign for ‘well played’.

    Just because you think you know what it means, doesnt mean you know…. YOU DONT.

  27. abninf says: Aug 31, 2013 9:04 PM

    Oh my. He made hand gestures. Of course he proceeded to rape the opposing team.

  28. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 9:11 PM

    Speaking of rape… TCU is about to be owned.

    Kickoff time. 😀

    SEC football time.

  29. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 9:18 PM

    NM State 7 Texas 7

    1:48 2nd quarter.

    Upset alert? Lets wait a bit.

    Waitresss? More beer please.

  30. ksctychiefs says: Aug 31, 2013 9:29 PM

    they still have big problems in college station!! …….clearly this kid still doesn’t know how lucky he is to be even back on the field….his antics today are going to locker fodder for future opposing teams……

  31. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 9:29 PM

    Perhaps all the hate for Manziel is because Alabama fears him.

    If they don’t….. they should. 😀

  32. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 9:46 PM

    After looking at McCarron today, and the A&M defense today….. he might get some traction.

    After looking at A&M’s offense today….
    I’m feeling really good about Sept 14.

    Gig’em Ags!

  33. henryjones20 says: Aug 31, 2013 9:56 PM

    if terrell pryor or cam newton had ever done autograh gesture…boy oh boy!! fire and brimstone would have come from the fans

  34. Chris Ross says: Aug 31, 2013 10:00 PM

    I don’t think these are good signs for Johnny Manziel. Seems like it’s getting to his head. I may be overreacting but I don’t like where this guy is headed.

  35. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 10:04 PM

    Are you introducing race into this?

    Yeah… class act you are…and if my Aunt Harriet had balls, she would be Uncle Harry.


  36. amosalanzostagg says: Aug 31, 2013 10:23 PM

    Just got in from College Station after watching the game from the Rice sidelines, A&M defense played a ton of freshmen. 5 starters on defense sat today and next week against Sam Houston State. Manziel was Manziel and the trash talking toward Manziel was relentless from the Rice players. Johny either learns to cope with the smack on and off the field or it will consume him.

    A&M still scares the bejeebers out of me.

    September 14 will be here before we know it.


  37. abninf says: Aug 31, 2013 10:27 PM

    henryjones20 says:

    if terrell pryor or cam newton had ever done autograh gesture…boy oh boy!! fire and brimstone would have come from the fans

    Al Sharpton is posting.

  38. Deb says: Aug 31, 2013 10:31 PM

    Hi, Kevin. Welcome!

    Manziel’s mini-suspension, if you believe it was inadequate … given all the usable evidence of wrongdoing … had nothing to do with SEC bias and everything to do with the business of college football.

    I don’t hate Manziel or hope for someone to knock him on his face. I generally root for football players and he’s doing a bang-up job of falling on his face all by himself.

    Bama fans aren’t worried about Manziel. Most, as I do, look forward to seeing him on the field in two weeks. He played a great game last year. But that loss wasn’t more than a hiccup on our way to another crystal trophy.

  39. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 10:53 PM

    If Manziel isn’t on the field, you know that victory is hollow.

    Don’t change your opinion if Manziel beats you that day.

    He will. You will just have to deal with it.

    Sept 14. It will be the greatest day in Aggie football history.

    How does one brand an elephant crimson tide thingy?

    Aggies know there is no answer…… but if there is… Aggies will figure it out.

  40. ironman721 says: Aug 31, 2013 10:54 PM

    The kid is a great athlete but he did not help himself at all with his immature behavior. Forget the highlight reel plays, the taunting is the only thing the media and NFL scouts will take from this beat down of a game.

  41. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 11:02 PM

    I keep hearing that opinion from college football fans.

    I say bull shit. Manziel will be a first round pick and prolly first pick next year.

    Manziel has the mind of a pure quarter back. He is bored.

    Mark them words.

  42. alexisdet says: Aug 31, 2013 11:04 PM

    Keep hating fools. He’s gonna burn you down.

  43. ironman721 says: Aug 31, 2013 11:12 PM

    Alex you are obviously a big fan and I respect that but a qb, above any other position, depends on keeping a cool head. He did not do that today. Scouts are looking for reasons why not to draft guys. Taunting and costing a team penalty yards due to mental mistakes are unacceptable from the qb position. He has physical strength but he needs to demonstrate more mental strength and self control.

  44. daubs17 says: Aug 31, 2013 11:12 PM

    where is warren moon to condemn everyone for criticizing a young college QB because he’s bla….oh wait, Manziel is white. Nevermind

  45. ninjapleazee says: Aug 31, 2013 11:16 PM

    Reminds me of arrogant Jimmy Clausen and the whole jersey boy haircut and limo routine… Look how far that got him in the NFL

  46. barbeaux says: Aug 31, 2013 11:19 PM

    Lol one unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, which the rice player says manziel just said what’s up nice hit, and lots of you people freak out like manziel was in people’s faces the whole game. You either have control issues, team bias or just didn’t watch the game. There’s lots worse than Johnny manziel I assure you.

  47. Deb says: Aug 31, 2013 11:31 PM

    alexisdet …

    When they’re determining teams for the championship game, the word hollow doesn’t enter the conversation. A win is a win. But I’ve already said I want to play A&M with Manziel at the helm. And I don’t make bold predictions or guarantee wins. Manziel is a very talented QB, and I want Bama to play the best. My teams have won more NCAA championships and Super Bowls than any other … but I’ve managed to stick with them through long seasons of losing, too. I think I can deal either way.

  48. barbeaux says: Aug 31, 2013 11:38 PM

    Sept 14 will be a hell of a sports day….Bama/A&M and mayweather/canelo

  49. dkhhuey says: Sep 1, 2013 12:09 AM

    Johnny Douchebag! First he starts with the money pose after a TD then he starts taunting Rice players. Sorry – this guy is a complete asshole who will never change! Karma will one day come knocking to collect its fee… I can only hope it is soon because I’m already nauseated by the coverage of this tool

  50. barbeaux says: Sep 1, 2013 12:22 AM

    Yeah I’m sure the rice players were absolute angels all game. He was doing that money thing last year btw before the heisman

  51. ezwriter69 says: Sep 1, 2013 12:28 AM

    5 suspended, NOT including Johnny Rotten, lets the punk embarrass him with the bump/walkaway on the sideline, nothing but yapping and posing by the entire team all day long.
    This coach is in way way over his head, he has zero control over this football team. Zero. Shame, there’s a lot of talent there, but with that kind of “leadership “from the coach and the QB, they have no chance. None.

  52. ezwriter69 says: Sep 1, 2013 12:31 AM

    Hey Deb, what is someone who owns both a pro team and a major university doing spending her time here? Your teams, seriously?

  53. dkhhuey says: Sep 1, 2013 12:33 AM

    @ez – You’re correct – the coach has no balls what-so-ever! He is completely afraid to do anything against Johnny Douchebag for fear of his job… what a spineless human…

  54. barbeaux says: Sep 1, 2013 12:42 AM

    Sumlin is an awesome coach. He did pretty well at Houston. He coached a no name into a heisman winner and destroyed ok in a bowl game. A&M isn’t as wreck less as tmzESPN and other media want you to think. They say it for ratings. Deb is a solid, reasonable fan that loves sportsmanship, unlike you two. Just go away. You’re not welcome here.

  55. captaincanoe says: Sep 1, 2013 12:43 AM

    He seems like a guy that will end up on Celebrity Boxing. About 3-4 years from now he’ll be fighting Randy Moss or Gary Bussey.

  56. dkhhuey says: Sep 1, 2013 12:58 AM

    @bar – yes, by all means – keep defending this asshole and shameless coach who refuses to even remotely attempt to apply discipline because Johnny Douchebag is his only chance to advance. It will be humorous to watch you and all Johnny Douchebag apologist continue to defend his ever increasing horrendous behavior…

  57. babyfarkmcgeezax says: Sep 1, 2013 1:07 AM

    Manziel’s a douche

  58. barbeaux says: Sep 1, 2013 1:26 AM

    @dkhhuey, Manziel is manziel. I’d take him any day over hill…LSU’s RB that sexually assaulted a 14 yo and while on probation for that sucker punched a drunk guy that was walking through a parking lot. So compared to that yeah I don’t think manziel is all that bad. Nor do I think sumlin is a bad person. Feel free to have whatever bias you want though.

  59. 1historian says: Sep 1, 2013 7:01 AM

    IMO it’s only a matter of time until somebody puts him on his butt for a good long time. The kid is asking for it and will get it. I am not a fan of the SEC but it seems to me that this kind of nonsense will NOT be tolerated.

  60. Deb says: Sep 1, 2013 8:42 AM

    ezwriter69 …

    My how original! We’ve certainly never heard that before! :roll:

    It may never have occurred to you, but without the fans, there would be no NCAA or NFL teams. So we are essential to these enterprises … and the only part of the equation that remains steadfast. Players, coaches, and staff graduate, quit, change teams, and retire. Owners sell out. Only the fans last forever. So yes, they are “our” teams, financed by our ticket, merchandising, and advertising dollars.

    You don’t appreciate the fans’ connection to their teams but you hang out on a site for hardcore fans just to make snotty little comments? Seriously?

  61. spoiledbratswhosuck says: Sep 1, 2013 9:54 AM

    A punk with a possible mental disorder.

    Being as gifted as he is, means nothing. He is an embarrassment to the NCAA, university, college football, his coach, et als.

    If he has a mental disorder then he needs to be treated and helped.

    If he is a punk with an attitude then he needs a 220 lb LB or SS to hit him so hard that

    SNOT BUBBLES come squirting out his face

    that even his teammates and coaches would cheer.

  62. tipstopten says: Sep 1, 2013 10:09 AM

    Sounds like a like a lot of hot air from folks that
    don’t have all the facts. Do we really know what
    happened on the field with the Rice player?
    If Johnny is an idiot as some of you say and others think he is great, I think what goes around come around. The Alabama game will not decide how
    good he is or isn’t. The way he responds to his
    coach and his team mates will be the factor of what type of character he has. Let the season play out.

  63. be4bama says: Sep 1, 2013 10:17 AM

    Hey Deb, so nice to see you again!!
    Ezwriter69 and alexisdet better take your stuff somewhere else. Ms Deb will eat you alive!!

  64. tide4life says: Sep 1, 2013 10:41 AM

    JFB is a great player and I really believe Sumlin is a good coach. But I also believe that Manziel is his own worst enemy and that Sumlin is having trouble controlling him. Lotta football left in a season that just started.
    I enjoy watching the young feller play, and even as a Bammer I have no choice but to admire his talents. But I think there’s something else going on with this kid- something that’s not simply a big head or ego rum amok. I believe those things may be symptoms, but are not the real problem. I’d hate to see him become a toxic mess before he has a chance to make a grand run in the NFL.
    Names Tebow and Newton sound familiar? It’s real easy to hit the NFL with a whimper, not a bang. Someone get a handle on this boy before he pisses in his own grits.
    As for you mouthy types- it’s easy to talk your anonymous s**t in here; we listened to it for months last season, from all those Notre Dame pricks. Haven’t heard much from them lately . . . .

  65. tide4life says: Sep 1, 2013 10:48 AM

    “be4bama says: Aug 31, 2013 6:46 PM

    Johnny’s daddy needs to whip his a$$.”

    I have to wonder if Daddy Warbuck$ ain’t JFB’s biggest problem. This kid may need tough love, not someone kissing his ass and counting the receipts.

  66. amosalanzostagg says: Sep 1, 2013 10:58 AM


    I was at the game yesterday in College Station as a sideline guest of Rice University. It was very hot, temperature wise and action on the sidelines. If any of you have ever been behind a football sideline, the smack between visiting football players and the fans on the first rows is merciless. All it takes is ONE player with rabbit ears, and the verbal war is on. It happens on every campus and at every football game. That translates onto the field.

    Three points on yesterday’s game.

    Manziel looks to be better than last year. The A&M offensive line looks to be better than last year. Seals Jones and Evans are going to be a deadly combination for Manziel.

    Sumlin does have the testis to bench Manziel, period. Matt Joukel and Kenny Hill
    are more than capable to fill Johnny’s shoes. A&M’s problems yesterday was
    having new members on offense and defense trying to mesh in their respective
    positions. Having 4 defensive starters out created additional problems.

    Johnny either grows up or is gone. Sumlin has enough talent and a schedule that he could have a 10-2 season. What are Johnny’s options? He quits A&M and declares for the draft and A&M is fine. Johnny decides to focus on football and keeps his mouth shut and leads A&M to a BCS game, A&M is fine. If your honest you would admit is you would love to have Johnny Football representing their school on the field, just not the baggage that Johnny creates.

    A&M still scares the hell out of me. Pass the Pepto.


  67. iowahbr says: Sep 1, 2013 12:03 PM

    Johnny Football has clearly beaten the NCAA at its own money game but if he keeps on taking that act onto the field he is going to get his clock cleaned by someone this year. Watch out whenever you think you are the the ______est in any sporting activity. (fill in smart, best, fast, cool, or winning at your choice)

  68. noplanb1 says: Sep 1, 2013 12:32 PM

    so the penalty at the end was BS. as others have said, the Rice player tweeted that JF said nice hit, and pointed at the replay board.
    as for the hand gestures, please…has everyone turned into a bunch of old women?

  69. jdillydawg says: Sep 1, 2013 12:39 PM

    Taunting Rice. That’s awesome. He really showed ’em!

    Seriously, I’d be more worried about Rice putting up 31 points against them.

    Seems with all the attention Johnny’s taking, A&M forgot to work on a little defense…

  70. barbeaux says: Sep 1, 2013 2:18 PM

    If only he was as classy as Timmy…oh wait nvm

  71. Deb says: Sep 1, 2013 7:46 PM

    Hey, be4bama!! Good to be back :)

  72. greggatx says: Sep 1, 2013 8:33 PM

    Glad that embarrassment is not in our conference!!

  73. jacksonjames4 says: Sep 2, 2013 5:28 AM

    This dude is peaking at this school. He will never make it in the nfl

  74. 8to80texansblog says: Sep 3, 2013 4:32 PM

    To all criticizing his money hand gestures… Tajh Boyd did the same thing in Clemson’s win over UGA.

    A couple of points on A&Ms win

    As many have said, to those who are serious football fans and could care less about a player pointing at the scoreboard when he’s up 3TDs and the opposing team is mouthing off, the defense looked HORRIBLE. The D line in particular was getting pushed around like nobodies business. The Aggies were missing 2 starters on the D line but good god that was bad.

    Manziel looked a bit awkward at first to me. He seemed to be looking to run first. And was it just me or did he not seem to have the same blazing quickness and shiftiness he had last year. He looked like a better passer though which is what most hoped for.

    As Amosalonzostagg has pointed out… RSJ and Mike Evans combo might be the best WR in the SEC.

    Couple of points on the weekend as a whole.

    Bama didn’t have the feel of a 12-0 team to me. Especially on offense. The D was as stout as ever and ovbiously the special teams looked… well… special.

    If Clemson can beat USC, they will go to the NCG. If there aren’t 2 undefeated teams from power conferences (no, the AAC is not a power conference, slap yourself for thinking that) Louisville is going to the NCG. Bridgewater is going to win the Heisman.

  75. 2fleas says: Sep 4, 2013 2:02 AM

    Now ladies! You can stop clutching your pearls… This isn’t the first unsportsmanlike penalty to ever be called. I’ve seen worse so let’s just stop right there.

    He’s undoubtedly the most polarizing player in college football and he’s quite good. It disturbs me that some of you wish that he would get hurt. I’d be willing to bet that y’all are the same ones that were screaming about the Saints bountygate.

    I hope he finishes the season healthy and continues to improve as a passer while doing so.

  76. Jeff Tuttle says: Sep 5, 2013 3:09 AM

    @kordogg HaHa!! The other day I referred to Johnny Boyziel as Ryan Leaf w/ social media!

  77. bamafan36 says: Sep 5, 2013 4:47 PM

    Johnny Douchebag (JDB) will most likely NOT finish the Bama game. However, I hope he does. I want their absolute best on the field when we Gig ’em!

    The unsportsmanlike penalty came after he pointed at the scoreboard AND with what he “SAID” to the Rice player. The guy that tweeted, was the one that hit JDB after his first run. Not the same instance.

    It’s entertaining for me to watch this yahoo self destruct. I kinda feel bad for ol JDB. But, I have to watch. He’s like a train wreck, in that way.

  78. 8to80texansblog says: Sep 6, 2013 2:43 PM

    Here’s a question for you…

    You go to work everyday. You’re good at your job, you move up the ranks quickly, you don’t make many waves, then one day you win a HUGE account for your company.

    This account brings in over $37 million in profit for your company.

    All of your bosses gets HUGE bonuses based off this account.

    The new account is so big the company is actually building a new building because of it.

    Now, not only do you get nothing extra, but everything you say and do is now under intense scrutiny to a level very few have ever experienced and even fewer could handle.

    You decide to go on vacation and blow off some steam and post pictures for your friends to see, but every picture is analyzed and criticized. People start to ask “Should you be having fun?” It’s now become sport for people around you to criticize you.

    How would you feel? How would you react? How would you deal?

  79. bamafan36 says: Sep 6, 2013 3:32 PM

    I act like I am contracted to. If I am unhappy with the terms of agreement, I find a new place of employment, OR……I shut my my mouth, act like a leader, and bide my time until the contract is over.

    Don’t get lost on he fact that JDB signed a contract with aTm for an education valued at well over $450k (school, meals, per diem, and travel). He actually was given an early out clause, where he can leave after three years, without penalty.

    Maybe you should look at another question: Would you sign a contract without weighing it, and putting serious thought into it? Also, who “sold” that big account? Was it JDB or was it Kevin Sumlin? Johnny is a commodity. Nothing more. Sumlin is the account manager in this instance, and he reaps the financial benefit from it. It would be crazy to think you would reward the commodity being sold, instead of the account manager.

  80. amosalanzostagg says: Sep 6, 2013 7:47 PM


    You overestimate the $450k value. Texas A&M is a public university in Texas and the in state tuition,including room and board is $22k this year. The education a student earns is VALUED well over $1.5 million minimum over a life time of prospective earning. ($50k a year for 30 years). What 8 to 8 is outlining is that Manziel’s value to the University exponentially increased to levels unheard of before last year.

    The Kyle Field expansion is directly related to Manziel’s Heisman run and the corresponding success on the field. One person elevated the program to new heights. The athletic contract governed by the NCAA and extended by the member University is a one year grant in aid to the student athlete. It is renewable at the University’s discretion. While under “scholarship”, the student athlete cannot be remunerated in any way shape or form in “compensation”. Zip, nada, zero.

    Yet, students at A&M can sell their game passes to the upcoming A&M Alabama
    game for $300

    Sumlin didn’t sign Manziel, Mike Sherman did. The AD handles the scholarships, not Sumlin.

    Manziel protected his interests by copyrighting his image,his likeness,his signature and Johnny Football. He has shown the NCAA how to allow high profile athletes to make money for themselves while a student athlete. I hope that the NCAA does
    something before the O’Bannion ruling hits the fan, because the NCAA is going to
    lose the case.

    I am beginning to believe Manziel is the “unnamed” current athlete involved in the O’Bannopn case in which the NCAA cannot retaliate against.


  81. bamafan36 says: Sep 7, 2013 12:47 AM

    The figure of $22k per year, is for a standard enrolled student. However, this is a student athlete. More importantly, a student athlete in football. His five meals a day (high protein and carb’s), board (football dorms are a little nicer than the standard dorm), travel (chartered flights, chartered buses, and hotel), per diem, tutors, facilities, training, etc. and, that is in addition to his standard tuition. That averages out to a little over $118k per year. Over 4 years, that is averaged out to $472k, per degree, per player… a major public University.

    The Kyle Field expansion was planned and monies were aligned before JDB ever stepped on the field for the Aggies. They planned the expansion to compete with the mega stadiums in the SEC. Sherman signed the contract, but, Sumlin recruited JDB. Therefore, he “sold” the deal, referring to 8to80’s anology. The Account Manager (Sumlin) has a Director of Sales (Sherman), who reports to the VP of Sales or directly to the board. No different than in any other corporation, the apex of the pyramid has the highest earning potential. You wouldn’t expect an Account Manager or Sales Rep to make more than the CEO, would you? No different here.

    JDB is the commodity. If he had chosen to go to Texas or Bama, wouod he have had the same successes? aTm needed a QB, and had a system that was prime for this kid. He would have had to fit into Saborated Brown’s system. But, either way, aTm would have still expanded Kyle Field. I’m not saying he has no monetary value….he does! And, his value is driven by the market, just like every other commodity. But, without the 11 men on Defense, and the other 10 on Offense, JDB is worthless! I think he has lost sight of that fact. He will leave aTm for the NFL or jail, and the institution will be better for having him there. But, they owe him nothing more than what they contracted for.

  82. 1historian says: Sep 7, 2013 1:43 PM

    If there is anyone out there who doesn’t think that Alabama is going to put some serious hurt on johnny football and his buddies next week in front of the aggies fans and their ’12th man’ in front of God and everybody next week – please raise your hand

    FYI – I hate Alabama

  83. be4bama says: Sep 7, 2013 2:58 PM

    Smartest thing I’ve ever heard you say, historian!!

  84. amosalanzostagg says: Sep 7, 2013 3:39 PM


    Sorry, you are wrong. You need to read the NCAA manual on a student athlete scholarship guidelines and procedures. The renewable ONE year athletic grant in aid specifically outlines what can be extended to a student athlete. Room (a monthly stipend equal to comparable room on the University proper.) Board (Training table in season per sport or a monthly stipend comparable on campus), Books and lab fees (either on campus or online) and that’s it. Nothing more.

    Your feeble attempt to cloud the cost of an actual nuts and bolts athletic scholarship is nothing more than mental gymnastics on YOUR part. Nice try though.

    Also explain to the blog how Kevin Sumlin actually recruited Johnny Football? Inquiring minds would just love to know just how Kevin Sumlin recruited Manziel to Texas A&M when he was the Head football coach at the University of Houston. Would that be a recruiting violation, recruiting for another school while you are still under contract with another school? Again, another nice try

    Truth is, Tom Rossley, whom I have known for decades, was an assistant at Texas A&M under Mike Sherman, recruited Manziel away from the University of Oregon and Manziel signed with A&M.


  85. be4bama says: Sep 7, 2013 4:52 PM

    Amos, you must have me confused with another poster!! Your feeble attempt to put me down……FAILED.

  86. amosalanzostagg says: Sep 7, 2013 5:21 PM

    be4bama says: Sep 7, 2013 4:52 PM

    Amos, you must have me confused with another poster!! Your feeble attempt to put me down……FAILED.

    Please accept my sincere apology. My missive was meant for bamafan36. The trifocals failed me again.
    In the words of of Emily Litella, “Nevermind”.

    Again, I do apologize. Any friend of Deb can never be categorized as an individual who is not knowing and worthy.


  87. bamafan36 says: Sep 7, 2013 5:32 PM

    LOL. My point about Sumlin is that the HC (regardless of whose name you feel the need to drop in an attempt to make your argument valid) does the recruiting, and not the AD. As for the ACTUAL cost of a football players scholarship to the University….I suggest you ask your less than famous acquaintance’s what that looks like. I can assure you, as I have first hand knowledge, the ACTUAL cost is as I stated. Your missive seemed to overlook meals, travel, physicians, doctors, facilities, etc. All of which, ACTUALLY have a REAL cost to the University. I guess you will try to tell this blog that insurance and fringe benefits offered to a prospective hire, doesn’t factor into the wage negotiations for the employer. EPIC FAIL!

    Oh, and RTR, too!

  88. be4bama says: Sep 7, 2013 6:10 PM

    Apology accepted Amos…I am old and slow tho!!

  89. amosalanzostagg says: Sep 7, 2013 6:34 PM


    Sure you do, anything you say, right, uh-huh.
    Jon Lovitz Is that are you?

    Scholarships are scholarships, facilities are facilities, faculties are faculties and never the t’wain shall meet.

    Do you factor in the cost of a Nobel Prize winner into an athletic scholarship? How about the cost of a nano science center? Nope, but again, nice try.

    Come back when you actually have facts.


  90. amosalanzostagg says: Sep 7, 2013 6:42 PM

    bamafan36 wrote on: Sep 7, 2013 12:47 AM

    “Sherman signed the contract, but, Sumlin recruited JDB. Therefore, he “sold” the deal, referring to 8to80′s anology. The Account Manager (Sumlin) has a Director of Sales (Sherman), who reports to the VP of Sales or directly to the board.”

    You failed to answer the question of just how Sumlin recruited Manziel to A&M when Sumlin was the Head Coach of the University of Houston? The blog awaits your tale of Sumlin recruiting Manziel to A&M.


  91. bamafan36 says: Sep 7, 2013 6:54 PM

    Look, Sumlin was at Houston when JDB went to aTm. I could really care less, as that fact was not necessarily relevant to the analogy used by 8to80. The idea for the discussion, since you obviously can’t see the forest for the tree’s, was around the ACTUAL value of the scholarship. Again, we all await your explanation of how the facilities, travel, doctors, meals, etc. don’t factor into the ACTUAL value of the scholarship.

    Roll Tide!

  92. bamafan36 says: Sep 7, 2013 7:00 PM

    Maybe you could ask you almost famous friend for a life-line….

  93. amosalanzostagg says: Sep 7, 2013 7:51 PM


    Don’t need a lifeline. Thanks for admitting you stretched the truth worse than Uncle Si (apologies to Uncle Si) on Sumlin recruiting Manziel. Shows the absolute lack of knowledge you have.

    A scholarship is a scholarship is a scholarship.

    Whether academic or athletic, the scholarship is still
    valued at $22k and no amount of mental gymnastics on your part changes it. Keep trying though!

    Just may be Sumlin will recruit you for game stats.


  94. amosalanzostagg says: Sep 7, 2013 7:55 PM


    Tom Rossley is a good man and a great friend. Just maybe you may have an opportunity to have a friend of good character and honesty. Try it sometime.


  95. bamafan36 says: Sep 7, 2013 9:04 PM

    This entire blog was anxiously awaiting your reply, and ^^^^ is what you come in with?!? LOL! Why don’t you tell us how Texas A&M is the only school that doesn’t account for fringe benefits when tabulating the ACTUAL cost of a football scholarship. And, for the record, I would argue that their move to the SEC was just as responsible for the monetary gains made last year as JDB’s successes (didn’t he have two losses?) were. Had he performed like that in the Big12/10, would the world even know who he was? Had he not played Bama the week after we played LSU, would he have had a great 1st qtr against us?

    I am sure your “friend” is a good man of character. I have no reason to doubt it. For that matter, I have no reason to doubt that he surrounds himself with like individuals. I trust you will enjoy the anticipation and excitement that this next week brings, and we can enjoy Bama shutting down yet another Heisman hopeful’s run!

    Go Bama!

  96. bamafan36 says: Sep 7, 2013 9:15 PM

    I just saw your second to last post….I think MAY BE (tongue-in-cheek) you should proofread your posts before you hit submit. Better yet, have someone who can actually follow a full thought proofread it for you. MAYBE you could get Sumlin, Rossley, or JDB to take care of that for you. Quack, quack!

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