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Bob Stoops takes another jab at SEC

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It’s been, what, nearly five months since Bob Stoops took a shot at the SEC?  Yeah, he was due.

As that old football chestnut goes, the Big 12 is a high-flying, offensive league while the conference that’s claimed the last seven BCS titles hangs its hat on defense.  That, though, has shifted somewhat in 2013, at least early on.

Three players in the Top 10 in total offense — Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel, Georgia’s Aaron Murray and Missouri’s James Franklin — reside in the SEC, with just Baylor’s Bryce Petty representing the Big 12.  Three SEC quarterbacks — Murray, Manziel and LSU’s Zach Mettenberger — are 4-5-6 in passing efficiency, with just Petty and Oklahoma’s Blake Bell, who didn’t even begin the season as the starter, falling inside the Top 25 from the Big 12.  Conversely, Baylor, Oklahoma and Texas Tech all rank in the Top 10 in scoring defense, while Florida is the only SEC team that can make that claim.

With that as a backdrop, and knowing full well there are myriad factors involved in the “flip,” it was mentioned by a member of the media to Bob Stoops that UGA’s Murray has been very proficient passing the football this season.  Why Murray’s name was mentioned is beyond me, but Stoops took the note and ran with it, nearly tearing a few ligaments in the process thanks to the sarcasm pooling up around him.

“How’s that happening? They’re playing all those SEC defenses.

“I still don’t know how (Texas) A&M was third in the country in total offense and scoring offense playing all those SEC defenses. I have no idea how that happened.

“Oh, they got a quarterback. That’s right.”

That goes back to Stoops’ main point: Big 12 defenses looked bad when pro-level quarterbacks littered the league; now that the quarterback-iffy SEC has seen a rise in talent at the position, their defenses, at least in his eyes, are a far piece from their dominating reputations.

“Funny how people can’t play defense when they have pro-style quarterbacks over there, which we’ve had. They’re all playing in the NFL right now,” Stoops said.

(It’s at this point where we give the obligatory “forget it.  He’s rolling” quote from Animal House and move on.)

Back in May, Stoops lamented the “propaganda” that had the SEC widening the gap between itself and the rest of major conferences at the FBS level.

Here’s to hoping the Sooners find their way this year to a bowl game — or, better yet, the BCS title game — against a team from that conference.  A couple of weeks worth of Stoops fielding SEC-related questions would be the grab-your-popcorn opportunity of a lifetime.

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56 Responses to “Bob Stoops takes another jab at SEC”
  1. YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou says: Oct 3, 2013 11:06 AM

    SEC defenses have been long overrated because of putrid SEC offenses.

    A 7th place Big 12 team comes into Tuscaloosa and beats the vaunted Alabama defense and their SEC SPEED because Alabama and Saban hadn’t seen an offense in the conference since Tebow left.

    Used to get to hear Verne and Danielson preach about the glory of the SEC defense and now its all about how many Heisman QBs there are when these defenses are finally being challenged.

    There’s a reason why the SEC is sub-.500 against AQ conference schools this year, everyone in the conference is overrated, again.

  2. timh1955 says: Oct 3, 2013 11:17 AM

    YouMadCauseImStylingOnYou – I guess that’s the reason the SEC has won the last seven NC’S! The BIG12 has been a loser conference since back in the days of the SWC which is one of the reason so many teams have left the conference.

  3. historyofmatt says: Oct 3, 2013 11:18 AM

    “SEC defenses have been long overrated because of putrid SEC offenses.”

    Prove it, troll.

    Where’s your proof by making a statement such as that?

    Oh, that’s right… you have NONE.

    The SEC East put more draft picks into the NFL last that any other conference in football. The SEC as whole more than doubled the next closest conference. The vast majority of those draft picks were on DEFENSE.

    Why are SEC offenses suddenly flourishing?

    Because the SEC defenses of the best teams, like UGA, LSU, A&M, and even a little bit of Bama, are all YOUNG & INEXPERIENCED.

    The only team that brought back most of their defense in the same way that UGA brought back their entire record-setting offense is Florida, and guess what? Their D is pretty damn good.

    You “the SEC is overrated” people are such trolls. You say these stupid things, and have absolutely NO PROOF.

    By the way, your Big12 QBs? They all suck. Bradford, McCoy, Wheedon, and of course, Gabbert… suck, suck, suck, and BIG TIME SUCK.

    So that tells me all their numbers are the product of CRAPPY DEFENSES in the Big12.

    And then when they face SEC Defenses in the Championship Game or Bowl Games, what do they do with their 50 point a game offenses?

    Oh… that’s right… THEY SUCK.

    You’re a dumb as a rock troll, “You Mad.”

    You have no logic. You have no proof. You have no facts. And you’re just an angry liar in deep, deep denial about how much better the SEC is compared to, well, everyone.

    I bring you facts. I bring you proof.

    You can’t fight what you don’t have.

  4. 8to80texansblog says: Oct 3, 2013 11:22 AM

    Calling A&M the 7th placed Big 12 team is not quite a fair comparison and you know it….

    New coach, ENTIRELY new philosophy, and add Johnny Manziel to the mix, who would not have been the starter had Sherman remained.

    A&M was the 5th placed SEC team, and probably could have gone undefeated in the Big 12 last year.

  5. sportsguy3434 says: Oct 3, 2013 11:24 AM

    Bob Stoops…sour grapes.

    “Stylin” I don’t know what you are talking about….and I’m not sure that you do either. 7th place big 12 team beating Alabama? Are you talking about TAMU? They weren’t in the big 12 last year and they had a NEW coach AND qb so you can’t compare the two years and conferences. They are totally different teams and that is a poor comparison that big 12 homers make. Btw, how did Bobby Stoops do against that team last year? Johnny Football gave a free clinic to the Big 12 and Bob stoops looked lost. Ole Miss couldn’t score on Alabama and hung 41 pts in Austin.

    Bob has a point- good qbs make a difference. But he needs to coach his team and actually beat a GOOD SEC team when he plays one.

  6. Rabid PIcks says: Oct 3, 2013 11:31 AM

    Says the coach that just got obliterated in the Cotton Bowl. The SEC is over hyped, but they have earned it. I don’t 100% disagree with Stoops, but maybe he isn’t in the best position to be talking.

  7. nirvana504 says: Oct 3, 2013 11:45 AM

    Who the heck is Bob Stoops?

  8. hventure22 says: Oct 3, 2013 11:48 AM

    @historyofmatt – so your rock solid proof is your assessment that those qb’s suck? Gee that sure doesn’t seem subjective. Neither does your semi-retarded point about the draft. The NFL draft is a giant mess of subjectivity, so in reality you’re just an SEC homer who’s butthurt over these comments; but don’t convince yourself that you’re knee deep in facts when you use words like suck and crappy, because you’re knee deep in something else.. troll.

  9. historyofmatt says: Oct 3, 2013 11:58 AM

    @hventure22:

    In 2008, Oklahoma is a 50-point a game offense.

    They play Florida for the Championship… how many points do they score? Remind me.

    In the Big12, Bradford is a record-setting QB. Remind me how he’s done in St. Louis, even now when he has a good o-line and talent around him.

    Gabbert, McCoy, and Wheedon are all record-setting QBs at their school. Putting up big numbers against BIg12 defenses. Remind me how they did when playing against SEC defenses. And then remind me how they’ve done in the NFL?

    In the NFL Draft, over the last 10 years, SEC defenders are picked higher, on average, than any other conference.

    In the NFL, the majority starters on defense went to which schools? Please remind me.

    The draft is subjective? Really? Seems to me, other than the CRAPPY AND SUCKY QBs that come from the Big12, the NFL Draft is usually pretty spot-on.

    If you want big-time players on defense, you get them from the SEC.

    And that can even sometimes go for offense, like say AJ Green or Julio Jones or the Pouncey Bros, etc.

    In actuality, TROLL… the Big12 is the far more overrated conference.

    Your conference is known for offense, but when you play against the SEC or when it’s time to play in the NFL, your players are CRAP. Your QBs suck. Your WRs suck. Your offensive lineman SUCK.

    And your defenders, well, if they’re not giant cheaters like Suh, they suck, too.

    The facts back up the SEC. Every. Damn. Time.

  10. mrsmell says: Oct 3, 2013 12:00 PM

    How is the SEC defense over-rated? Literally half of their rosters goes and plays in the NFL every year. That means a batch of incoming freshies and JUCO recruits starting. Sooner or later, coaches are working with 3rd-4th string guys and it is catching up fast nowadays. There is no longer proven guys to train young players in the SEC. Looked what is happening in Texas and USC. Those NFL caliber guys took off and Texas is a dump while USC is just now regaining it helm as producing NFL caliber defensive players.

  11. hoffenstein14 says: Oct 3, 2013 12:07 PM

    Ever seen a championship ring Bob? Don’t mess with the champs!

  12. ceraser45 says: Oct 3, 2013 12:18 PM

    @hventure 22:

    So if we are so overrated why wont Stoops and the Big12 schedule us and come play us…Because he knows what is going to happen. If our defenses are so bad, why can’t anybody beat us for a national title. 7 IN A ROW…He talks a big game on a microphone, but gets railed by LSU and UF in the title game with his great offense.

    Thats right, the NFL knows where the talent is and its in the SEC on defense. Live with it, cause it will never change

  13. Rabid PIcks says: Oct 3, 2013 12:22 PM

    @hoffenstein haha yes, yes he has.

  14. woebegong says: Oct 3, 2013 12:28 PM

    Talk is cheap Bob. Try winning a title and then you can spout off all you wish. Until then, it sounds an awful lot like to me, just sour grapes.

  15. 11inthebox says: Oct 3, 2013 12:29 PM

    Actually, Stoops won a title in 2002.

    There’s no disputing that for the past decade, the SEC has been the most dominant conference. I love what’s happening in the SEC. It’s the best athletes playing a fast and physical brand of football.

    But lately, SEC fans have taken the same delusional approach to football that Espn executives take to sports—they talk as if they INVENTED it.

  16. woebegong says: Oct 3, 2013 12:39 PM

    I really don’t recall any of the 14 coaches, since they have been in the SEC, having anything negative or condescending to say about teams outside of the SEC. Even Steve Spurrier keeps quiet when it comes to that. That is hard for him to do for sure, since he uses that to motivate his teams sometimes.
    When one conference has won 7 titles in a row, and 11 during the brief period of the BCS, teams in that conference do tend to start feeling a little better about themselves and their conference. It is not bragging if the stats. back it up, or bragging for that fact. It is stating the facts as they are.

  17. Rabid PIcks says: Oct 3, 2013 12:44 PM

    This is getting a little out of hand, people have lost their minds. Bob has won a National Championship. Ironically enough, because of defense. So by others logic he can spout off all he wants.

    Everything cycles. Right now the SEC is at the top of their game and is clearly the most dominate league in the Nation. It would be generous to put the Big 12 at #4, but there was a time not too long ago that the BIG 12 was going to every NC game.

    Like I said, the SEC is #1. But if you think every golden word ever said about the SEC is undeniably true then you’re fooling yourself. Alabama beats LSU 9-6 and it’s #SECdefense. Alabama beats Texas A&M 49-42 and it’s #SECspeed. If that’s the case then Oregon must scare the sh*t out of you.

    It’s crazy to think the SEC will always be this dominate, just like USC and Texas won’t always be mediocre. You are never as good as you think you are after a win, and never as bad as you think you are after a loss. I’m certainly not defending Bob (see earlier comment) but let’s keep it in perspective.

  18. ajarkoski says: Oct 3, 2013 12:47 PM

    Where are the championship games played? Mostly in SEC territory which has them playing in good weather and in front of home crowds. When was the last game played outside of their area? In Tempe or Pasadena? Play a game in the upper north west, central or north east areas and see how they do in the cooler climates.

    The SEC has had just as many QB flops as the other conferences. Can you name any? Many are TV analysts now. Which is ok.

    SEC teams are good with plenty of talent, but things are not all rosy as some of you SEC fans claim. Championships are 1 game deals and they have been lucky to avoid good PAC_12 teams in recent pasts who get 1 loss. Playoffs will give a better quality champion. SEC is good, but there are many other good teams around.

  19. drummerhoff says: Oct 3, 2013 1:01 PM

    I don’t understand how the “7th place Big 12 team” completely deficated all over the 2nd place Big 12 school in the Cotton Bowl?

    How did that happen, Bob Stoops? How about you, youMad??

  20. Rabid Picks says: Oct 3, 2013 1:12 PM

    Again, I’m not claiming the SEC isn’t dominate, because they are. But here are some fun facts.

    3 of the top 4 draft picks in 2010 were from OU including a DT. That’s unprecedented. In fact, 6 of the first 7 were from the Big 12, including two defensive players.

    In 2013 the first two defensive players were not from the SEC. In fact the first defensive player was from Oregon. You know, that team that thinks #SECspeed is cute, and has the most prolific offense in the country.

  21. Rabid Picks says: Oct 3, 2013 1:13 PM

    correction: 5 of the first 6*

  22. Deb says: Oct 3, 2013 1:19 PM

    Once again, Bob stoops. It’s entertaining, but classless. Better to do your talking on the field.

  23. gatorprof says: Oct 3, 2013 1:34 PM

    When is the last time that “Big Game Bob” won a big game? #OKfootballisirrelevant

  24. houndofthebaskervols says: Oct 3, 2013 1:44 PM

    Kiper just said “BOB STOOPS SHUT UP!”

    Friggin hilarious.

  25. BrownsTown says: Oct 3, 2013 1:57 PM

    “Us”
    “We”

    LOL @ conference fans

  26. pricecube says: Oct 3, 2013 2:10 PM

    It seems a lot of people are forgetting that Bob Stoops has National Championship wins… not only in the Big 12 but also in the SEC. He was responsible for Florida winning the NC 1997. He was the defensive coordinator. He totally overhauled the defense. In one year it went from a the pathetic mess that gave up to 62 points to Nebraska in the 96′ NC game to the best defense in the SEC.

    I think Stoops knows something about SEC football and his commentary (smack talk) is pretty entertaining. I don’t think his team can back it up on the field at the moment though.

  27. sportsguy3434 says: Oct 3, 2013 2:13 PM

    Speaking of has been QBs that are commentators…see one Kirk Herbstreit. QB at Ohio State for one year and lost to Georgia in a bowl game…maybe why he seems to be a TAD bit against the SEC at times. Who are the SEC former players that are commentators? I can think of some from the PAC 12. Don’t be upset that your conference is falling apart big 12. Teams are leaving and Texas and company were gone to the PAC 12 until espn called with $$$. True story.

  28. noaxetogrind says: Oct 3, 2013 2:52 PM

    @ pricecube,
    Appreciate the point you are trying to make but please don’t embellish. Stoops did a very good job with UF’s defense but to say “he was responsible for Florida winning the NC in 97″ is laughable. You may have conveniently forgot how good UF’s offense was that year with a Heisman Trophy winning QB and 3 WR’s who all played in the NFL. They won the NC game 52-20. There are always games here and there that are outliers but for the most part Florida has been playing good defense for the last 30 years because of their athleticism. They may have the best defense in the country this year. One last point, there was another Def. asst. coach on that staff who a lot of people think was really the brains behind their success. Bob Sanders, who went on to become and still is a highly respected asst. coach in the NFL.

  29. sportsguy3434 says: Oct 3, 2013 2:53 PM

    And maybe Bob can ask Mark Stoops about the SEC offenses and defenses in about 7 weeks…

  30. pricecube says: Oct 3, 2013 3:03 PM

    @noaxetogrind…

    I agree I should have said he was partially responsible for the 97 NC…

    I remember Florida’s defense being markedly better under Stoops but it was a long time ago… so I am not sure how accurate my memory is.

    I will however never forget this game mostly because of all the awesome faces Spurrier makes toward the end:

    Florida offense was not looking too hot against the black shirts… and I would not call this game an outlier… Almost no one looked very good against Nebraska back then.

  31. skwackquackwoof says: Oct 3, 2013 3:55 PM

    I went and took a look at the Defensive player of the year list to see whose players are actually perfoeming in the league. The last SEC plyer to win DPOY is Reggie White in 1998. Since then there have been 5 ACC, 3 Big 10, 2 Pac12, and 3 small school winners. I am a big Pac 12 homer but as a Ducks fan I have to give respect where respect is earned. I am not saying that the Ducks are superior or anything like that but if they line up against an SEC team for the National Championship again (not that it’s too likely given our upcoming road games) that they are in a better position than most in recent times to remove the Crystal Ball from SEC country. I think I would like to hear from Southern Patriot/ Deb on the matter though.

  32. gatorprof says: Oct 3, 2013 4:03 PM

    pricecube,

    Lot of convicted rapists on that Nebraska team. Lost of lot of respect for Tommy O. letting Phillips and Peter play.

    Bobby was a great DC for the Gators. He wasn’t the reason that they won the title. The O boasted a HT QB and two first round draft pick WRs. Fred Taylor was also one of the RBs (first round pick). Mo Collins was a OT (first round pick). Quezzy Green was a 2nd round pick WR. There was a lot of NFL talent on offensive side of the ball.

    1996 defensive ranking: 14th.
    1995 defensive ranking: 20th.

    Stoops improved the unit, but Spurrier’s O (2nd in the nation) put up 52 points on the 3rd ranked D in the nation in the title game.

    The SEC has changed a whole lot since Stoops left.

    He should keep his mouth shut and try to win another title on the field, not with his mouth.

    When he discusses defense, he needs to re-watch the dismantling his team took against the Gators, despite having a team coming in with 54 points a game and HT QB that went first in the draft.

  33. woebegong says: Oct 3, 2013 4:14 PM

    In the game of football, the team wins the games, not the individuals, no matter how good they are. You need look no further than Alabama,s QB right now. Good but probably a 4th rounder at best in the NFL. How is he so successful? His coach surrounds him with solid folks and he works a team game. As much as it pains me to say it, Coach Saban is a master at coaching the team and getting them to play as a unit. Clowney of SC is a perfect example of a player, who doesn’t really embrace team work as a concept and it has hurt his team at times. UGA also had a lot of stars on defense last year, but never seemed to work well as a unit.
    Give me 22 guys with moderate talent on a team with just a few stars any day of the week.

  34. Deb says: Oct 3, 2013 4:17 PM

    @skwackquackwoof …

    The SEC’s streak will end, the only question is when. I could see Oregon taking the title this year, although it’s far too early to predict which teams will make the title game, let alone which team might win. Bama still has some big road blocks ahead. LSU is always our toughest game, and after the fits Arkansas gave A&M, I wouldn’t underestimate them either. Then there’s the SEC Championship. It’s a long way from given that the Tide will be in the title game.

    I’m a big fan of smashmouth football–relentless running plus hard-hitting defenses–and prefer low-scoring games. But football is changing, thanks to the NFL implementing more rules to hamstring defenses and the NCAA following suit. As the saying goes, it’s a quarterbacks’ league … and college football is also reflecting that across the board, SEC included. I don’t think it’s a case of our defenses becoming weaker but our offenses developing better aerial attacks.

    The SEC has to adapt to the changing game or it would become irrelevant. That’s why the B1G lost its place as the dominant conference–the coaches didn’t keep up with changes in the game as well as the other conferences.

  35. microbrewuga says: Oct 3, 2013 4:19 PM

    All SEC QBs excel in the NFL, take Pat Sullivan for example, no, forget that, take Tim Tebow, for ex………..ok forget that.

    These generalizations about QB success is like saying all QBs born on a Monday, on rainy days, that have the letter “T” in their middle name, will be successful in the NFL……I just think there are too many variables involved to be able to predict success or failure on the conference they play in……..it makes a difference but not THE difference.

  36. alligatorsnapper says: Oct 3, 2013 4:23 PM

    Let Stoops keep talking. He will give LSU more locker room quotes to post. He is due to face the SEC in LSU both in Norman and in Baton Rouge. Keep talking Stoops. You’ll eat those words soon enough.

  37. gatorprof says: Oct 3, 2013 4:48 PM

    There are a few SEC QBs that have done well. Peyton Manning, his brother Eli, Cam Newton, Cutler, Stafford, etc.

  38. Deb says: Oct 3, 2013 5:25 PM

    @gatorprof …

    And if he’s going back to Pat Sullivan, we can throw in Starr, Namath, Stabler, and Archie Manning–who was considerably better than his team. It’s not that easy to become a successful NFL quarterback no matter where you played college ball.

  39. detectivejimmymcnulty says: Oct 3, 2013 6:17 PM

    I guess I would be considered a SEC fan but let’s be honest here. Not all SEC teams are equal. There are 3-5 very good teams usually in the SEC.

    32 of the first 97 picks in the 2013 NFL Draft came from the SEC.

    63 players total were drafted from the SEC(24.8% of players drafted were from the SEC)

    A+M replaced 6 defensive starters
    Georgia replaced 7
    Bama replaced 4
    LSU replaced 8
    South Carolina replaced 6
    (my numbers might not all be 100% correct)

    There are better QBs now and teams are trusting their QBs more in the SEC, but when you lose that much talent on defense for so many teams of course offenses are going to do better.

  40. tomgreg2008 says: Oct 3, 2013 6:28 PM

    I’m not a big SEC fan or an anti big 12 fan either. My team is in one of the other conferences….
    But, I do say this. Just the other day, I watched the youtube vid of TA&M vs Oklahoma in the bowl game last year and TA&M destroyed Oklahoma. TA&M barely broke a sweat. Maybe this is why Bob seems so jaded….He used to give others the smack down but now he’s taking it.

  41. rookieblue7 says: Oct 3, 2013 6:36 PM

    Dear Bob, remind me how you fared against those “weak” SEC defenses you played for teh National Championship again? Lost both of them you say? Yep, overrated… Describes your teams.

  42. jrs45 says: Oct 3, 2013 6:40 PM

    Atta boy Stoops!!!

  43. jason1214 says: Oct 3, 2013 7:42 PM

    I don’t know why Bob is taking shots but whatever.
    Football is cyclical as many have pointed out, yes the caliber of QB is also better in the SEC, and MANY horrid QB’s have won National Championships. Steadman, Barker,Dorsey, Krenzel. So enough on the caliber of QB garbage. Defense wins titles.
    RTR

  44. huskerzfan says: Oct 4, 2013 6:34 AM

    @ gatorprof says: Oct 3, 2013 4:03 PM

    pricecube,

    Lot of convicted rapists on that Nebraska team. Lost of lot of respect for Tommy O. letting Phillips and Peter play.
    __________________________________

    Do we really have a Gator fan calling out player behavior of another college football team? Does your glass house have any unbroken windows?

    By the way can you name a single “convicted rapist” as you say from those Nebraska teams? Might want to get your facts straight if you are going to make such a ridiculous comment.

  45. waynefontes says: Oct 4, 2013 6:55 AM

    I can name a multiple time convict AND a rapist -Christian Peter

    While a member of the national champion Nebraska Cornhuskers football team in the early-mid 1990′s Peter was arrested eight times and convicted four times on various charges including sexual assault.

    Not a convicted rapist, but convicted four times and a rapist (charges were never brought) and repeat sexual offender.

    I’m sure he was innocent, after all look at his otherwise clean rap sheet…..

    Phillips just beat a woman severely. Just dragged her down three flights of stairs by her hair and bashed her into a wall. She also said that he had raped her before and threatened to kill her.

    I’m sure he was innocent, after all look at his otherwise clean rap sheet…..

    Dr. Tom was a fraud for letting them play, but since you’re a Huskers fan I guess you thought it was the right call.

  46. waynefontes says: Oct 4, 2013 6:59 AM

    If you don’t think those facts are straight, I can cite specific examples.

    Tom Osborne is one of the scummiest win-at-all costs coaches in the history of college football.

    Every program has its problems and black sheep.

    Not too many programs have coaches who enable men who beat and sexaully assault women.

    Men, as in plural. Women, as in plural.

    Stay classy, Dr. Tom.

  47. huskerzfan says: Oct 4, 2013 10:22 AM

    @ waynefontes says:Oct 4, 2013 6:55 AM

    I can name a multiple time convict AND a rapist -Christian Peter

    While a member of the national champion Nebraska Cornhuskers football team in the early-mid 1990′s Peter was arrested eight times and convicted four times on various charges including sexual assault.

    Not a convicted rapist, but convicted four times and a rapist (charges were never brought) and repeat sexual offender.

    I’m sure he was innocent, after all look at his otherwise clean rap sheet…..

    Phillips just beat a woman severely. Just dragged her down three flights of stairs by her hair and bashed her into a wall. She also said that he had raped her before and threatened to kill her.

    I’m sure he was innocent, after all look at his otherwise clean rap sheet…..

    Dr. Tom was a fraud for letting them play, but since you’re a Huskers fan I guess you thought it was the right call.
    __________________________________

    Christian Peter was pure scum. He likely raped at least 1 girl, but as I stated he was never convicted of such a crime nor were any other members of the Nebraska football team. Tom should have kicked Christian off the football team and sent him packing. I’ll never understand why Tom did not kick Christian off the football team even after numerous attempts at helping him and putting plans in place to keep him out of trouble.

    As for Lawrence Phillips, he did not “severely beat” Kate McEwen. She did not require any medical attention after Lawrence supposedly dragged her down 3 flights of stairs caveman style by the back of her hair.

    What he did do was firmly grab her by the back of her neck and take her outside her apartment.

    Either way, LP was given a 2nd chance. I have no problem with him getting that 2nd chance. He was a troubled kid that came from a foster child background that deserved a 2nd chance.

    It was his first run in with the law during his stay at Nebraska. He was suspended for the remainder of the football season (9 games), and had to jump through over a dozen hoops in order to get a chance to rejoin the team. Part of those demands included counseling. Only after 3 months of making it through all those hoops and not missing a single demand was he allowed to play 30 snaps in the bowl game.

    What we did find out later was that Lawrence was beyond repair and could not live within the rules of our society.

    What are your thoughts about Les Miles? Jordan Jefferson and Jeremy Hill were allowed to play for LSU after assualting people. Jeremy Hill assaulted a guy while on probation for a sex case involving a minor. JJ after kicking a guy in the face when he was on his knees on the ground. Surely you think Les Miles is a complete dirtbag as well?

  48. gatorprof says: Oct 4, 2013 12:27 PM

    Huskerfan,

    I am happy to continue this conversation…

    I never excuse violence towards women, period. There are stupid kid offenses like smoking weed, bar fights, etc. which normal college kids get caught up in. Beating and sexually assaulting women is a whole other type of problem that has no place in college athletics.

    As a guy who lives in Gainesville, I was ashamed of the arrest record of Urban Meyer’s Gators. I have often said that sans Tebow’s halo effect, there would have been far more scrutinty.

    Lawrence Phillips had major problems with the law prior to hitting 13. He grew up in a hellish situation to be sure and is a product of that upbringing. He constantly was in trouble in HS, lived in a group home, had all sorts of anger issues. He was clearly a high risk recruit character wise. He also choked a kid in 1994, but that was smoothed over by Tom O.

    Re:”He was suspended for the remainder of the football season (9 games), and had to jump through over a dozen hoops in order to get a chance to rejoin the team. Part of those demands included counseling. Only after 3 months of making it through all those hoops and not missing a single demand was he allowed to play 30 snaps in the bowl game. ”

    St. Tommy was virtuous in disciplining his star RB until he needed him to win a national title. There was no reason that he should have been on that team for the national title game if Tom O. had a shred of integrity. He sold out to win a title.

    BTW, 30 snaps is a bit of a downplay as he generated 180+ yrds and 3 TDs.

    As you said, Christian Peter should have been kicked off, but wasn’t….instead he was captain of the team!!!! This is because Tom O. wanted titles at all costs. The whole conviction thing in a football town is somewhat meaningless given the power of the football program and in the case of Nebraska, their iconic HC.

    Here is a nice article summarizing what a scumbag coach Dr. Thomas Osbourne was….

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1007153/1/index.htm

  49. dhardy8207 says: Oct 4, 2013 12:33 PM

    Think Bob is still a little miffed that he and his sooners got their arses handed to them by Manziel in the cotton bowl last season!…..

    Better hope the Refs are on his side when they play UT in a few weeks.

  50. onebigredrocket says: Oct 4, 2013 6:43 PM

    Wow, people get so damn hyper over college football. It’s no wonder obesity is so rampant down in SEC country, all hillbillies care about is eatin and watching them some football.

  51. huskerzfan says: Oct 4, 2013 7:22 PM

    gatorprof says: Oct 4, 2013 12:27 PM

    Huskerfan,

    I am happy to continue this conversation…

    Here is a nice article summarizing what a scumbag coach Dr. Thomas Osbourne was….

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1007153/1/index.htm

    __________________________________

    Nice slanderous article with pure embellishment at its finest.

    I’m not your normal Husker fan that believes Tom Osborne walks on water, but damn, he was far from being a scumbag.

    The man has a doctorate in Educational Psychology, and one of his biggest weaknesses was his belief in the good of all people and the ability to rehabilitate them.

    If he was guilty of anything, it was his care and concern for the players on his team and looking out for their best interests in a fatherly and mentor fashion.

    As for the content of the article? Pure BS. I know Scott Frost. I’ve talked with Scott Frost about the incident, and what is claimed in this article is laughable at best. Throw in the grandeur and ridiculousness of the rest, and you know exactly why the author’s career didn’t move the needle towards success. Feel free to believe what you read in that article, but let me tell you from personal experience, and actual relations with a number of people mentioned in that article, that it is a complete dumpster fire of slander and way over the top journalism.

    Did Tom make some questionable decisions during that time? Absolutely. And to be honest, I think it was a fairly large part of why he retired when he did.

    If there was ever a fault with Tom Osborne, it wasn’t that he wanted to win at all costs, it was that he believed in the good of people too much and that if he gave his influence upon them, that he could change them for the better with structure and guidance.

  52. suprmous says: Oct 5, 2013 3:52 AM

    Coach Stoops conveinently forgets that LSU beat him in the 04 Sugar Bowl and ended his reign as the head of the terrors that wanted to be. Bless Glenn Dorsey and LaBrandon Toefield, when those 2 went up to block that last field goal attempt and did I thought Stoops was goin to swallow his tongue and eat his headphones. The look on his face was priceless. And now he wants to come back with more criticisms of the SEC. He might as well give it up, he’s only doin himself in on this.

  53. woebegong says: Oct 5, 2013 3:56 AM

    At least you could insult Southerners right if you have to act so childish. That,s rednecks, not hillbillies idiot. And we are proud to be called rednecks.

  54. v2the4 says: Oct 5, 2013 10:21 AM

    like clockwork…ESPN game day is talking about this right now…the advent of the SEC offense and the demise of the SEC defense

  55. suprmous says: Oct 6, 2013 5:49 PM

    I still don’t get why some feel the need to vote down certain posts but to those who do hang in there Sunshine your day will come to where you’ll get a taste of your own meds. And maybe you’ll see where some of us have valid points tho you love to vote us down. Snapper, I can’t wait till he comes to Baton Rouge with his trashy mouth and leaves with his tail tucked tween his legs.

  56. warpphillip says: Oct 7, 2013 5:37 PM

    @ Woebegong

    Rednecks are the Western Equivilant to Eastern Hillbillies. We aren’t called Hillbillies because we have mountains.

    SEC and Big12 are much overrated, Alabama’s performance this year has been mediocre at best, and other Teams have a better argument for FCS first place ranking than they do.

    I am proud to be a digital redneck.

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