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Big 12: no video evidence to overturn controversial call

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For those who felt the officiating crew in last night’s Texas game screwed Iowa State, the Big 12’s response to the apparent gaffe will make you seethe a little more.

Late in the fourth quarter, Longhorns running back Johnathan Gray appeared to fumble inside the five-yard line, with an Iowa State defender recovering with nothing but 95 yards between himself and what would’ve likely been the game-clinching touchdown with under two minutes remaining.  However, Gray was ruled down by contact and the call on the field stood upon further review in the replay booth.

One play later, UT scored what would prove to be the game-winning touchdown with :51 remaining.

The Internet proceeded to explode over what was viewed as an egregiously bad call.  Rightly so, ISU head coach Paul Rhoads exploded in his post-game press conference as well.

“To make a play on the 1-yard line with our backs against the wall… and to have it taken away from them, that’s hard to express. You don’t just put an arm around a guy and tell him it’s OK when that happens to him,” said Rhoads. “I’ve got pretty good eyesight. The view I had of that gigantic screen in the north end zone showed a guy that was not down and our guy with the football.”

The Big 12, though, disagreed.  In a statement, the conference claimed that there simply wasn’t any video evidence to overturn the call on the field.

The ruling made on the goal line play was that the runner was down by rule with the ball.  Because of that ruling, instant replay is allowed to review the play, which it did.  Had the ruling on the field been forward progress, the play would not be reviewable because the goal line was not involved.  The Replay Official looked at all five views available for this play: Line Feed, Goal Line cart, Press Box angle, Sky Cam, and Opposite End Zone camera.  He correctly determined there was no indisputable video evidence to confirm that either the ruling on the field was correct, or that the ball was loose prior to the runner being down.  By rule when there is not indisputable video evidence to confirm or change the call on the field, the ruling stands.

On this play, the covering official ruled the runner was down and still had control of the ball. There is no question the runner ends up on the ground, and there is no question that eventually an Iowa State player ends up with the ball.  However, after reviewing the video evidence it is impossible to tell with certainty when the runner loses control of the ball and at that point was he down or not. 
The conference would acknowledge in this unique situation if a mistake were made, but we do not have the video evidence to prove that one occurred.

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Of course, the conference acknowledging that one of its officiating crews made a mistake wouldn’t have changed the outcome, but, as was the case in the botched ending of the Wisconsin-Arizona State game a couple of weeks ago, it would’ve shown some accountability on the part of the league.

In addition to the statement on the blown call, the Big 12 also addressed Mike Davisbush-league “block” on a Cyclones player by stating that “[t]he play involving Mr. Davis is being addressed in accord with the Conference’s Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct Policy.”

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  1. woebegong says: Oct 4, 2013 3:53 PM

    Maybe they should have used the big screen that the Iowa State Coach used in coming to his conclusion, along with the majority of the folks in the stadium and the ESPN audience. I thought it was a fumble but heck, I ain’t the official.

  2. goodfieldnohit says: Oct 4, 2013 3:55 PM

    It should be noted that the Big12 official who made the statements that John Taylor quoted, is…….

    Walt Anderson: Doctorate of Dentistry, University of Texas, 1978

  3. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 3:56 PM

    A controversial call went against OSU late in their game in Stillwater last against Texas.

    This year, Iowa State.

    See a pattern? When Texas needs a win, the officials know that if the call goes against Texas, you’ll never work in the Big 12 conference again.

    Think Texas doesn’t control the conference on and off the field?

    Part of the “We’re Texas!” mentality.


  4. kurtiswes says: Oct 4, 2013 3:57 PM

    the video evidence I saw showed the ball in the hands of the defense and the runner’s knee not yet down. it doesnt take a genius to figure out the ball was stripped before the runner was “down by contact”. the big xii is so pro-Texas its embarassing.

  5. kylepalm says: Oct 4, 2013 4:00 PM

    Everyone who saw that knows it was a fumble. The Big 12 is in business to serve one school only and that’s The University of Texas.

    You would have never seen a call like that go against Texas if the situation had been reversed.

    I’m not an ISU fan by any stretch, but I’ve seen enough Big 12 officiating screw jobs (all of which benefit UT; notice that whenever a high profile screw job happens it always involves UT and it’s always something that is in their favor) to know what’s going on. There is a reason that Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M left the Big 12, and all four of those schools have publicly blamed it on UT.

    Of course the Big 12 is going to say the call was correct. Afterall, the current Big 12 Commissioner has been recommended by DeLoss Dodds to be the next AD at Texas (just like one of the Big 12’s key refs, Randy Christal, lives in Austin and is employed by UT in the offseason).

  6. woebegong says: Oct 4, 2013 4:01 PM

    Kinda figured it wouldn’t be doctor of optometry.

  7. lbijake says: Oct 4, 2013 4:13 PM

    No wonder this is thought of as a chicken***t conference. Best Officials that Texas can buy. A & M, Colorado, Mizzu and Nebraska are laughing today.

  8. tmb333 says: Oct 4, 2013 4:39 PM

    The ISU player has the ball and there is no angle that shows the UT player down prior to the ISU player having the ball.

    Too much money, too many on the take. The B12 officials know their marching orders.

    Until the NCAA steps in a forces the game to be restarted at the point of a blatant misapplication of the rules, it will never change. The NCAA should also decertify the officials. It is at the point where there should be no conference officials. Officiating crews should move throughout the country never working the same conference more than twice during the regular season.

    When Wisconsin got screwed, the NCAA should have stepped in and force the final 3 seconds to be replayed. The PAC12 should have had to pick up the tab to fly Wisconsin back out to California to finish the game. Admitting after the fact that there was a horrible error doesn’t help either team.

  9. Rabid Picks says: Oct 4, 2013 4:48 PM

    Okay, I am expecting a lot of thumbs down on this one, but here is how I see it.

    It’s a tough pill to swallow, but I can’t say I disagree with the decision. It was ruled a fumble. To overturn the call there has to be indisputable video evidence. Like the game announcers said, was it appears to be a fumble, but there isn’t enough to overturn the call. The officials are kind of like law enforcement. They can’t just make things right as the see them. They have to operate within the rules. Can you imagine the flood gate that would open if they were allowed to assume what happened?

    When OSU got hosed last year, the Big 12 came out and apologized, because it ended up there was a clear shot with the ball out and the runner not down. They called Gundy and apologized profusely.

    Like I said, it sucks. A lot. And as an OSU grad I understand what the ISU fan base is experiencing. But on this one, the official’s hands were tied.

    And as an OSU fan I was conviently reminded after the game, that if we wanted to win, we shouldn’t have let them get to the 1 yard line to begin with.

  10. kylepalm says: Oct 4, 2013 4:54 PM

    I disagree Rabid. The officials’ hands weren’t tied unless it’s because UT was threatening to make sure they never worked a Big 12 game again. There is a reason that the rest of the country, including Paul Finebaum on ESPN who spoke about UT’s preferential treatment last night, are fuming about it.

    It happens way too often, and the one constant in every single one of these issues is that UT is the beneficiary of the bad (or non) call. It might be different if this happened with randomly different teams all the time.

  11. tgaustin says: Oct 4, 2013 5:31 PM

    Paul Finebaum is a SEC homer and then some…Tennesee guy!

    Also, how much $$$ do you think Texas paid the Iowa St DB who committed the 2 horrible pass interference plays, costing his team 45yds??

    Or how much $$ did they pay the Iowa St Offensive Coordinator to throw on 3rd and goal instead of running it and running down the clock???

    Texas has nothing to win with this game…AD is gone and so is Mack. Everyone hates Texas for………well, not really sure why. (maybe it’s because the school is too good at making $$ when others can’t seem to figure out how to)?:-/ Kind of like Duke Basketball. Ugliest win I’ve ever seen…Iowa St shot themselves in the foot. Texas gift wrapped that win for them…I agree the whistle blew late, but it’s so hard to tell if his knee was down or not…and it must be conclusive! Hell, I was hoping they would lose.

    Most of the writers on this site have huge hard ons for the SEC anyway it’s comical. Like how little press the Alabama story got involving Haha Dix.

    Anyway, haters will always hate. College football is cyclical…so enjoy your schools sucess while it lasts…or just hate on others for theirs.

  12. mauldawg says: Oct 4, 2013 5:32 PM

    All I can and will say is “BS”. Game was fixed.

  13. thegamecocker says: Oct 4, 2013 5:34 PM

    If Paul Finebaum said it, then I believe it! I too saw the game and the play. It was obvious the ball was stripped out of the ball carriers arms. Furthermore, while this doesn’t have a bearing on the play, stats prove that ISU is taught to strip the ball and they have been incredibly successful this season at doing just that! This was yet another time they did it but it was not called. Conspiracy theory in favor of Texas? Let’s call “a spade a spade”! U of Texas controls that conference and those refs subconsciously knew what their fate would be if they called it a fumble. It’s not the first CONSPIRACY THEORY coming from the great state of Texas……there are still questions behind the President’s assassination in Dallas on November 22, a963……a day that unfortunately changed the world and not for the good. A horrible non-call! Those refs should never work a game again!

  14. mogogo1 says: Oct 4, 2013 5:47 PM

    Worst call I’ve seen in a very long time. You can clearly see in the one angle where the ball carrier hits the ground and the Iowa State guy already has the ball and is running out of the pile by that time.

    Initially, I had figured it was a bad call regarding forward progress which made it impossible to overturn. How helpful for the Big 12 to clarify that wasn’t the call and thus the only explanation was that the fix was in.

  15. kylepalm says: Oct 4, 2013 5:55 PM


    You can spin it any way you want but it doesn’t change what happened. I agree that ISU had some bonehead playcalling and and that they didn’t necessarily help themselves. That’s not the issue here though.

    The issue is the blatant mistake the officials made, and I use the term mistake loosely because I think the officials did exactly what they intended to do. I would also question all the PI calls on uncatchable balls that happened on UT’s last drive (ISU averaged 3 flags a game until this one where they got 11 flags for 127 yards, most of them keeping UT’s final drive alive; what a strange coincidence).

    Without even getting into the officials like Randy Christal and Dana Bible who have direct relationships with UT, it’s pretty obvious that UT has more control over this conference than any school should have in any conference. There is a reason that four Big 12 schools left and all of them blamed UT as their reason for leaving. And it’s also quite the coincidence that whenever one of these big screwjobs happens, whether it’s been Kansas that gets screwed, or Nebraska, or Texas Tech, or Texas A&M, or Oklahoma State, or Iowa State that it’s always when they are playing Texas and it’s almost always on a game determining drive in a close game.

    There’s not a doubt in my mind that the Big 12 Officiating members know that if they are the one who rules against UT on a play that determines a game outcome they will find themselves looking for a job. That is unless they happen to be someone like Walt Anderson who graduated from UT and just has built in bias.

    In the SEC, Big 10, Pac-12, etc they have rules against refs officiating games for schools they graduated from, live in the same city as, or have close ties with. But the Big 12 doesn’t bother with those rules because UT wouldn’t have it.

  16. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 6:01 PM


    Well said

  17. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 6:30 PM

    Tgaustin,Another person looking at the world through burnt orange glasses.

    Let’s play name that school.

    1. Their AD replies to a question from a reporter about “Keeping up with the Jones.” “Keeping up with the Jones?, We are the Jones!” What school does that AD represent?

    2. When asked by the University of Nebraska AD, Tom Osborne at the Big 12 AD meetings point blank whether or not this school’s AD would stop development of a TV network outside the scope of conference procedures and guidelines. The AD said “No, the TV network is about developing Tier 3 revenue to our school.” What school does that AD represent?

    3. Mere days after losing the National Championship in Football to Alabama ( a game in which the team has STILL not recovered from, Roll Tide Roll), This University’s President openly solicits a move to the B1G in a brazen attempt to piggy
    back on a massive federal research grant that the entire conference worked on for over a decade to staff, build up for and have their respective states allocate taxpayer
    revenue for? What school does that President represent?

    4. When rebuffed by the B1G, This University’s President accompanies his school’s football team to the West Coast to seek admission to the PAC-12. When asked if he
    would subordinate a newly formed TV network to conference guidelines and protocols for the duration of the contract with ESPN, this School’s President said he would have to get back to the conference office because this school’s AD handles that
    aspect. What school NEVER replied to the PAC-12?

    and finally,

    (5.) When turned down by the B1G and the PAC-12, What school approaches the ACC in an attempt to join their conference since the television structure is the same
    as the Big 12? When the ACC turns this school down, the school applying is so indignant, they openly try to recruit Clemson and FSU to join the Big 12. FSU is so
    pissed that this school even asked because the faculty of FSU wanted nothing to do with this school nor the conference because of the “poor” academics. Name
    that school.

    Texas, doing less with more and pissing off Universities and the Presidents since 1967.

    That is why Texas is viewed as a street walker.


  18. mogogo1 says: Oct 4, 2013 6:32 PM

    If this exact same situation had occurred and cost Texas the game, not only would the Big 12 have already issued an apology, but all the officials would already be suspended or outright fired.

  19. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 6:50 PM


    The refs would be shot from a grassy knoll

  20. tulsacyfan says: Oct 4, 2013 6:50 PM

    I am beyond disgusted with the Big 12. I will always be an Iowa State fan, but the Big 12 is a joke. Since all that matters is “TV sets”, my household’s TV set will be on SEC games from now on when ISU is not playing.

    Bottom line: Texas = Toxic

    Why the 9 members of the Big 12 don’t rise up and revolt against these arrogant idiots is beyond me. Where else could Texas go at this point but independent? No conference in America would take them given the baggage and history. What teams would the Big 12 be able to add if schools threatened to leave? Memphis? Tulane? Tulsa? Any logical expansion alternatives have already moved on to greener pastures and only a complete and total FOOL would join this pathetic excuse for a conference.

  21. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 6:54 PM


    I’ll talk HaHa Clinton Dix all day long, While we’re at it let’s talk Mike Davis and Mack Brown’s comment on “competing”.

    The blog is all ears to hear you defend the indefensible.


  22. kylepalm says: Oct 4, 2013 7:19 PM

    At the very least the other 9 members of the Big 12 should get together and come up with a set of rules to govern who can be an official in this conference.

    All they need to do is call the SEC and get the verbiage used in their bylaws regarding officials. I know the SEC has it’s issues, but on the surface they sure seem to value treating all of their members equally.

  23. rabbi187 says: Oct 4, 2013 7:36 PM

    It’s amazing the outrage of a bad call. The same people could care less when this happened early this year I. The PAC 12. All of you morons are right. This call saved Texas’s season. Idiots.

  24. tgaustin says: Oct 4, 2013 7:37 PM

    Poor Amos,

    You sir, are filled with hate…kind of feel sorry for you. You proved my point for me. You are a conspiracy theorist my friend. It really is funny to think a single school can control all that you claim. That’s why Texas is kicking ass and taking names this year???? Think about it…and of course you’ll take paying a player over Davis’ cheap shot(that of which I’ve already said he should be suspended 2 games for), this is what the SEC is know for.

    You obviously know very little about Nebraska leaving(Tom Osborne isn’t exactly an angel)…and throw in Aggie for that matter as well. Do your research. Texas is exactly where everyone wants them to be right now…and all those in town know it and know change is coming. But it’s Delta Bravo’s like yourself that hate just for the sake of hating!

    Yeah, you’re right, the game was fixed…this is so laughable that it’s hard to type. But go ahead and tell us more about your closet love for hating the University of Texas and spit out some more irrelevant stats. Texas didn’t win anything with this game!!! How hard is that to get through your ROLL TURD head…talk about arrogance….every post…RTR…RTR…look at us…we are the $EC.

    Fact is, DeLoss Dodds has done more for the University of Texas than possibly any other AD is NCAA history…you claim arrogance and greed. Any other school would take him in a heartbeat and not think twice about it. He focuses on his University and not conspiracies in others.

    Good luck with Georgia State this weekend!

  25. kylepalm says: Oct 4, 2013 8:18 PM


    I know you probably think that acting like a Pac 12 fan to make people think you’re an unbiased third party instead of a Texas fan is clever, but most people see right through it.

  26. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 8:51 PM


    Don’t feel sorry for me.

    I can’t help it if the University of Texas, President Bill Powers, Deloss Dodds, Chris Plonsky, Mack Brown, et al took a huge dump in their collective mess kit. I’m tickled pink that Texas has fornicated things up so much in the Big 12 that Texas ALLOWED the SEC to come en masse to Texas to develop deep roots in Texas High Schools for your athletes AND your TV markets. We have two great schools from the Big 12 in our conference. We thank you!

    Texas A&M is far better as a member in the SEC than Texas would ever be because we don’t need any drama queens like Texas.

    Face it, you have to give up that ratings giant LHN, ratings 0.0, to be even CONSIDERED for membership in either the B1G or the PAC-12.. Texas is not going to give up $30 million a year. So you’re stuck in a boutique conference with no conference
    championship game with ten members.

    Face it, you STILL haven’t faced the fact that you STILL haven’t recovered from the National Championship game when Alabama owned you like the street walker you are.
    BTW We’ll enjoy the Georgia Southern game. We won’t need the refs to pull out a victory for us.

    Texas is a legend in it’s own mind and actually thinks it’s relevant when every conference is laughing at you. The B1G said no, The PAC-12 said no, The ACC said no,
    and now even your own conference members are tired of your Norma Desmond act.

    Come back after the OU game and we’ll talk Texas Football, because after all

    “We’re Texas!”

    Come back when you put your big boy pants on.


  27. lbijake says: Oct 4, 2013 8:59 PM

    As President Kennedy said “Nothing good ever happens in Texas.”

  28. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 9:15 PM


    Quite the contrary, I am VERY well versed on why Nebraska left on a personal and a professional level.

    Nebraska left the Big 12 because they got fed up with Deloss’s dictates to the rest of the conference.

    It started when Texas demanded and received from the Conference of two aspects that were crucial to Nebraska football. (1.) Partial qualifiers and (2.) The Nebraska county scholarship program which was an effective walk on program.

    Couple that with Deloss’s utter contempt for other schools disagreement with the development of the LHN and the majority of the conference members NOT having any options, Nebraska and Colorado chose to find stable and consistent confernces rather than deal with Texas. Nebraska gave up millions of dollars in TV revenue due them to pay as an exit fee, just to be free of Texas. Colorado did the same. Missouri tried to go to the B1G but failed.

    Missouri and Texas A&M got fed up with Texas’s act and we gladly accepted them into the SEC. Guess what? We’ll probably end up with Oklahoma and OSU in our conference after you
    fornicate up another conference.

    You either give up the LHN or have to go independent. In order to play any one of substance
    you’re going to have to subordinate your perpetuity rights to where an Alabama or an Ohio State retains ownership rights to their product. If you don’t, enjoy playing New Mexico State and North Texas, because the B1G, SEC, PAC-12 and the ACC know your game.

    Baylor, OU, OSU, Tech and TCU are coming for you. Looking at a minimum of five losses.

    7-5, a prime example of Texas doing less with more.


    Come back when you put your big boy pants on.

  29. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 9:24 PM

    To get you in the right frame of mind for the RRR
    next weekend in Dallas.

    A splendid example of all those top 5 recruiting classes Mack likes to tout.

    Texas, doing less with more


  30. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 9:32 PM


    My bad! That was two years ago. This should show just how much progress mighty Texas has made in just one year. After all, Texas has all those top 5 recruiting classes

    Tell me Tgaustin, where does Texas get all that magnificent talent?

    Texas, doing less with more.


  31. rabbi187 says: Oct 4, 2013 9:46 PM

    I am a Texas fan. That’s not the point I was making. People come on these message boards claiming outrage, but if the same bad if not worse officiating happens elsewhere the same person could care less.

    It’s blatantly obvious that you’re terrified, asunlikely as it might be, Saban might come to Texas. Pretty sure you comment on every Texas thread. You’re pathetic bro.

  32. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 4, 2013 10:05 PM


    Nope, nice try though.

    I spend my time talking with Bama people on winning national championships. You know, like when Bama beat Texas? Too bad if actual facts butt hurt Texas fans. Texas has cause all their own grief.

    Saban isn’t coming, but being one of those legions of Texas fans that are legends in their own minds. Keep up with your delusions.

    Saban won’t come simply because he is an obsessive freak about detail and he would not want to have anything to do with LHN because it takes him away from football.

    Texas, doing less with more since 1881


  33. normtide says: Oct 4, 2013 10:33 PM

    Of course the big Texas league made no mistake, Texas won, didn’t they?

  34. sallust99 says: Oct 4, 2013 10:48 PM

    The horns are the most overrated program off all time. Next year university. I can name and have named 10 programs better than horns. The comment that said legends in own minds is 100 percent accurate. Most arrogant fans that have absolutely nothing to be arrogant about. Half a hundred more times than I can count. Pathetic organization.

  35. kylepalm says: Oct 4, 2013 11:00 PM

    Not to derail the thread amosalanzostagg, but what would the SEC possibly want with Oklahoma State? I can’t see that happening because the SEC doesn’t typically take two teams from the same state, much less a state (and program) that has little market penetration or national appeal.

  36. tgaustin says: Oct 4, 2013 11:11 PM

    Yep, it’s official…Miss Stagg is a closet Horn fan! WOW!!!!!!! Dude/lady, you know more about the University of Texas than Wiki! That’s just weird man! Dude/Dudett, just come out and say it…you secretly love to hate the Horn nation.

    Either you Google like know one ever has, or you have WAY too much time on your hands. I just spit my beer all over my keyboard reading your post(s)…naming every high ranking official at Texas. I wonder if you even know who our country’s VP is, or would that be a waist of your time??

    You have problems my friend…I would suggest you go put on your Brodie Croyle jersey, drink a beer or ten, and relax. This is just too good…I wonder what you were like in the JP Wilson years…you know, 7 years ago???? I bet you burned a big “A” in Mike Shula’s yard when he was there too??!!

    Please, for all of CFT nation, tell us how much you know about all the other Universities in the FCS. Or does your “hard on” only extend so far…ending with Texas?

  37. bajagopher says: Oct 4, 2013 11:13 PM

    Yes ISU you got hosed again. But then why did you think UT stayed in this conference? That play was one example; there has been other similar pro-UT calls and the there will be others in the future as long as UT controls this conference. On the bright side, when the Clones inevitably end up in the Mountain West you will be one of the Big Boys! Not enough to blatantly have b.s. calls go your way all the time but at least Colorado State won’t constantly get them called their way either.

  38. goodfieldnohit says: Oct 4, 2013 11:42 PM

    If there is only one certainty in life, it’s that tgaustin will relentlessly attack anyone who does not worship at the altar of the University of Texas.

    Get some help dude.

  39. be4bama says: Oct 5, 2013 9:43 AM

    Tgaustin, do you really think UT (Texas) has been kicking ass and taking names? LOLOLOLOL

  40. tgaustin says: Oct 5, 2013 9:54 AM


    You still don’t get it. LOLOLOLOL is right…go back and learn to read. Understand context Stagg! You make it tooo easy!


    Yeah, I defend the school when people run their mouths and criticize. You too LOVE to hate the Horns…AND YOU LIVE IN AUSTIN YOU TOOL! So, keep my government out of your mouth. You and Stagg should get together over some martinis.

  41. v2the4 says: Oct 5, 2013 10:03 AM

    wow…amazed at some of the comments I’m reading coming from your keyboards…stunned at the amount of vitriol, hatred, disdain and quite possibly “green eyed envy” some of you have for the University of Texas.

  42. goodfieldnohit says: Oct 5, 2013 10:19 AM

    tgaustin, when he has nothing left, resorts to adolescent name calling of other posters on this board.

    Get some help, you really need it.

  43. be4bama says: Oct 5, 2013 10:22 AM

    V2the4…..envious of Texas??? I just spit my coffee all over my computer screen!!! Please enlighten us as to why anyone would be.

  44. v2the4 says: Oct 5, 2013 1:26 PM

    be4bama…shouldn’t you be watching your scrimmage vs Georgia st? 28-0 already, what a joke…didn’t yall just have a scrimmage vs Colorado St two weeks ago?

    anyway, to recruiting…I think amos said something about the floodgates of Texas recruits heading to the southeast was about to happen because the aggies are a part of the southeast is a list of the schools in the southeast and the number of Texans on their roster:

    Alabama- 6
    Florida- 0
    Georgia- 1
    LSU- 10(90plus homegrown players)
    Ole Miss-9
    Miss St -4
    South Carolina-1
    Tennessee-1(used to recruit Texas heavy)
    college station-92 Texans on roster out of 109

    other schools
    Oklahoma St- 69 Texans, 38 Oklahoman’s
    OU-42 Texans, 30 Oklahoman’s
    Kansas- 21 Texans
    K-State 19Texans
    Colorado-1 Texans
    FSU-8 Texans
    Miami-7 Texans
    Ohio St-13 Texans
    Boise St-12 Texans

  45. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 2:03 PM


    OU and OSU are tied at the hip by the State of Oklahoma. It started back in 1986 when Deloss went to the SEC to see if Texas could become a member. This was at the height of the SWC pay for play scandals involving every school but Rice and Arkansas. Texas sought admission to the SEC, there was minor interest, but Texas A&M was told of the prospective move, and the Aggies and the Texas legislature were successful in keeping Texas in the old SWC by telling Texas that the University and the UT system would lose state funding. Texas stayed.

    The Oklahoma legislature sought to keep OU from moving, (at that time, back to the old SWC) by passing legislation that if OU moved to another conference or league, OSU would have to be included. That is what kept OU from going to the PAC-12. The PAC-12 was okay with OU and Texas (as long as Texas subordinated the LHN to PAC-12 protocols and conference guidelines.), but the PAC-12 didn’t want OSU nor TTU. Since OU cannot move to another conference without OSU, there is an inordinate amount amount of interest in both Oklahoma schools for the SEC. Why? Money.

    The advent of the super conferences will add over a billion dollars to the NCAA coffers. The playoff is in it’s infant stages starting next year. College Football wants to create a “January Madness” ala “March Madness” in Men’s Basketball. It is one of the reasons the NFL has moved the draft back to May. The initial goal is to have a “Super 16” playoff culminating in a National championship game dovetailing as a lead in to the Super Bowl. The National Championship on a Saturday night and the Super Bowl on Sunday.

    Enjoy college football now because these are the good old days

    Thanks for asking


  46. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 2:15 PM

    v2the 4,

    Nice analysis. You have info based on recruiting BEFORE Texas A&M joined the SEC and was still a member of the Big 12. Texas allowing the SEC to come into Texas with meaningful games in the State of Texas is only going to have an exponential increase in quality athletes looking to play in meaningful games elsewhere. Before A&M joined the conference, SEC recruiting budgets did not factor in an aggressive allocation for travel, recruiting development, and establishing an active recruiting tree in Texas. Any coach that has done recruiting in his/her region in their respective sport knows what I am talking about.

    Personally, I’m delighted that Texas opened the entire State of Texas to SEC recruiting, just like they gave us two great teams in Missouri and Texas A&M.


  47. normtide says: Oct 5, 2013 2:18 PM

    It’s not how many players from Texas a team has, it’s which players. Iowa state’s Texas athletes probably were not offered by places like Oklahoma.

  48. waynefontes says: Oct 5, 2013 2:31 PM

    v2the4 says:
    Oct 5, 2013 1:26 PM
    be4bama…shouldn’t you be watching your scrimmage vs Georgia st? 28-0 already, what a joke…didn’t yall just have a scrimmage vs Colorado St two weeks ago?

    Funny you would bring up Alabama. Alabama shut out Ole Miss. How did Ole Miss fare against your Longhorns?

    That was priceless seeing all those sad faces in Austin as Ole Miss ran up and down the field on the pathetic Shorthorn defense. Just like BYU.

    Alabama vs Texas this year would be another one of those scrimmages.

    One national title in over 40 years with all those resources. One of the worst defenses in all of college football. A coach who is well past his prime. Another stomping by Oklahoma next weekend.

    Enjoy mediocrity, Texas. You wear it well.

  49. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 2:34 PM


    My experience is over 44 years in working professionally with Universities and Colleges in Athletic and Administration functions all across the nation. I have life long relationships with some great people in Universities and College athletics that I would not trade for all the tea in China. I have done work for some of the old SWC schools, Big Eight, Big Ten, PAC-10, SEC, Atlantic 10,WAC, Big12, PAC-12 in those four plus decades. I have enjoyed each and every moment. So yeah, I have
    experiences that most people don’t have.

    Every program has it’s doldrums. Let’s have a discourse on Alabama and Texas as you eloquently outlined, great, let’s talk about Dennis Franchione hire in addition to Mike Shula. Care to discuss David McWilliams, Fred Akers, and what’s his name, oh, yeah , John Mackovic at Texas?

    Edwin Simmons ring a bell?


    Texas doing less with more since 1967.

  50. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 2:37 PM

    waynefontes says: Oct 5, 2013 2:31 PM

    v2the4 says:
    Oct 5, 2013 1:26 PM
    be4bama…shouldn’t you be watching your scrimmage vs Georgia st? 28-0 already, what a joke…didn’t yall just have a scrimmage vs Colorado St two weeks ago?

    Funny you would bring up Alabama. Alabama shut out Ole Miss. How did Ole Miss fare against your Longhorns?

    That was priceless seeing all those sad faces in Austin as Ole Miss ran up and down the field on the pathetic Shorthorn defense. Just like BYU.

    Alabama vs Texas this year would be another one of those scrimmages.

    One national title in over 40 years with all those resources. One of the worst defenses in all of college football. A coach who is well past his prime. Another stomping by Oklahoma next weekend.

    Enjoy mediocrity, Texas. You wear it well.


    That left a mark.

  51. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 7:14 PM


    It’s spelled “waste” not waist, Joe Biden is the V.P.

    Now a question for you, please.

    Will you have a set to show up on the blog when OU beats Texas next weekend?


  52. tgaustin says: Oct 5, 2013 7:37 PM


    For a guy with such an impressive resume, you sure are a class act…said nobody ever! Your hard-on for bashing the University speaks volumes! Save your “44” years of custodial work for someone who cares. You are priceless!
    And for what’s it worth, I don’t think Texas has a a chance in HELL to beat OU…but, if you would actually read and understand what I have been saying you would get that. You should worry more about ROLL TURD than Texas…or is that just your thang? It seems like you have forgotten the years before Nicky got there…I guess thosee 44 years have taken a toll on your memory lapse.

  53. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 8:20 PM


    Thank you. I have read your musings. You need an intervention and a call to your rehab counselor.

    I know, I know you don’t have to thank me. I have true compassion for the mentally handicapped like yourself AND do understand that you lashing out is
    a desperate cry for help.

    That is to be expected when you have Texas as the college team you support, particularly when you face OU next weekend.

    Stay away from sharp objects and have your counselor on your speed dial.

    You’re excused from coming on the blog next weekend after the game, I know you’ll
    thank me later.

    Now go along and watch the LSU Mississippi State game and see how real football
    is played.


    PS- Keep on trying, I know you can defeat your demons.

  54. tulsacyfan says: Oct 5, 2013 8:43 PM

    A reprimand for Paul Rhoads for speaking the truth and a reprimand for Davis for a gutless hit that could have ended a player’s career.

    Just another day in the Texa$ Banana Republic Conference.

    All these efforts to protect Texa$ but no amount of coddling and protection is gonna help next weekend when the Sooners throttle you AGAIN.


  55. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 9:04 PM


    Still don’t think Texas runs the conference on and off the field?

    The Associated Press

    IRVING, Texas — The Big 12 Conference has publicly reprimanded Iowa State coach Paul Rhodes and Texas receiver Mike Davis.

    The conference reprimanded the two on Saturday following Texas’ 31-30 win at Iowa State two days earlier.

    Rhoads complained about a ruling concerning a near-fumble by Texas’ Johnathan Gray late in the game. Iowa State’s Jeremiah George grabbed the ball and began running the other way, but officials awarded Texas possession. The Longhorns scored the winning points on the next play.

    Rhoads says his view “showed a guy who was not down and our guy with the football.”

    Davis’ reprimand came after he illegally hit Iowa State defensive back Mike Broomfield in the knees on a third-quarter play. Davis was penalized for a personal foul.

    Commissioner Bob Bowlsby, Deloss Dodd’s butt boy, says Davis broke a rule “prohibiting physically abusive acts toward an opponent’s team members during a contest.”

  56. tgaustin says: Oct 5, 2013 9:06 PM

    Sharp objects???? Yawn!! Keep it classy Miss Stagg. I live in Austin, Tx…no matter how well the team does, I get to wake up here every day! My life is glorious…you are the one who has to throw out her resume to justify the bashing of other universities! I feel sorry for you…good thing you have CFT for your latter years.

  57. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 9:43 PM


    Sorry if the actual facts of what Texas has done over the decades offends your tender sensibilities. May be now you can see that the nation as a whole could care less about Texas and their minions in the Big 12. But keep taking your meds and call your counselor,daily if necessary.

    We know that you can focus on defeating your demons.

    BTW, I noticed you failed(as usual) to answer a direct question.

    “Did you you see that the Big12 reprimanded Mike Davis?

    Not the two game suspension that you said he should receive. It just shows

    (1.) your perceptions of what should be done and your REALITY of the influence Texas actually
    exerts on the Big12 is as lucid as your musings.

    (2.) The Hill Country is beautiful but over built. Not enough water to sustain Central Texas.

    BTW I’m a secure male and not interested in your advances. Please desist.


  58. tgaustin says: Oct 5, 2013 10:04 PM

    Over decades…you’re right Miss Stagg…the decades do matter. I guess they just lucked into the 869 career wins. (2nd all time). Ouch…I guess I should be careful with my “actual facts.”

    44 years eh…well, I guess if the bashing of other universities is your cinemax, then takking trash about where others live is your S&M. You’re a sad, sad individual…coming from the guy who lives in Alabama. Time to write another check to HaHa Miss Stagg.

    You still don’t get it…but, like I said before, you make this easy. Go ahead and tell the world why you hate Texas…I have more beer to drink and some live music to see.

  59. taintedlombardis says: Oct 5, 2013 10:43 PM

    Texas is #1. In stupid.

  60. be4bama says: Oct 5, 2013 10:44 PM

    I think this is the first time I’ve ever agreed with Tainted.

  61. amosalanzostagg says: Oct 5, 2013 10:59 PM

    Be4bama and tainted,

    There are great people in Texas, unfortunately Tg is not one of them.


  62. jdillydawg says: Oct 10, 2013 11:51 PM

    Wait wait wait! What am I missing here? I’m pretty sure that the implementation of instant replay was agreed upon to avoid this exact sort of thing from happening. So how is it that instant replay didn’t get it right?

    Oh yeah, because instant replay sucks. It always will and has made sports a pain in the ass to watch.

  63. be4bama says: Oct 11, 2013 9:44 AM

    Let me clear……the only comment of TG’s that I agree with is Texas is #1 in stupidity.

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