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Heisman Update

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Here’s how the top Heisman candidates fared this weekend:

Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State – 19 of 21 for 277 yards, 2 TDs, 0 interceptions, in a 59-3 win over Syracuse.

The redshirt freshman had a great game against the Orange and maintained his status as the (tentative) Heisman front runner.

Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor – 17 of 31 for 335 yards, 3 TDs, 2 rushing TDs, in a 63-34 win over Texas Tech.

Petty put up five total touchdowns for the second-straight week and gained strength in the Heisman race as a result. A big game against OSU looms next week.

Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon – 19 of 27 for 288 yards, 3 TDs, 0 interceptions in a 44-21 win over Utah.

Mariota benefitted from a quality outing, plus  he earned a likely bid in the Pac-12 title game as a result of USC’s win over Stanford. That’s another game for him to improve his numbers and impress voters.

AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama – 18 of 32 for 187 yards, 2 TDs, 2 interceptions in a 20-7 win over Mississippi State.

He needed a big game to gain momentum heading into next week’s game against Chattanooga. He didn’t get it.

How the vote would go if it was held today:

1. Winston

2. Johnn Manziel

3. Petty

4. Mariota

5. McCarron

6. Jordan Lynch

7. Teddy Bridgewater

8. Andre Williams

9. Braxton Miller

10. Derek Carr

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15 Responses to “Heisman Update”
  1. Anoesis says: Nov 17, 2013 1:33 AM

    It’s Winston’s to lose. I don’t see him collapsing against either Idaho or Florida.

  2. pinchegringo12 says: Nov 17, 2013 2:12 AM

    But look at the short passes and yards after catch that make up winstons #s…looks good in paper, hope viters are smarter than that.

  3. pike573 says: Nov 17, 2013 2:52 AM

    If his offseason issue grows legs, that would be his undoing.

  4. randywith8as says: Nov 17, 2013 2:56 AM

    Marcus Mariota has 34 TD’s, 0 INT, and 3 Fumbles Lost. His team has 1 loss and 1 win over a ranked team.

    Johnny Manziel has 39 TD’s, 11 INT, and 1 Fumble Lost. His team has 2 losses and 0 wins over ranked teams.

    According to Sagrin Ratings (one of the 6 factors in the BCS polling) Oregon has played a tougher schedule than A&M.

    So tell me…. Why is Manziel ahead of him in the Heisman race?

  5. gotampabay52 says: Nov 17, 2013 3:21 AM

    AJ won how many champs am a VOL season tix holder he is the winner

  6. face21000x says: Nov 17, 2013 8:29 AM

    Mariota does not have the rushing yards or TDs that manzel has. Plus A&M Is nothing without him. Oregon was this good before mariota. They don’t compare. FYI, I hate A&M.

  7. liverpoolred04 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:44 AM

    I could put up AJ’s numbers behind that O-line, running game and their receivers…he’s not that great.

  8. amosalanzostagg says: Nov 17, 2013 9:24 AM

    Manziel is the best player I have seen play since Archie Manning.

  9. djjackson81 says: Nov 17, 2013 10:16 AM

    There’s a case to be made for like 3 of these guys. Let’s be honest either way you all sell your picks doesn’t matter cause none of you get to vote.what’s cool to me is the fact these QB names are going to give some of our pro football teams a reason to sell more tickets and take some bad teams up the standings. This award means nothing when these guys play on Sunday.

  10. bobsnygiants says: Nov 17, 2013 11:02 AM

    WINSTON SHOULD NOT WIN, FLORIDA WOULD WIN WITH OUT HIM . TEXAS AM WOULD NOT WIN WITHOUT MANZIEL.

  11. longborer69 says: Nov 17, 2013 11:05 AM

    Updating, I dropped out McCarron. When you don’t put up massive stats you have to be errorless. He wasn’t.

    Rather than list quality opponents, I used Sagarin’s strength of schedule.

    Petty has played 9 games, the others 10.

    PASSING:
    Winston 185-261, 2938 yards, 11.26 yds/attempt, 28 TDs, 7 INT, 17 sacks (120 yards).
    Petty 152-233, 2992 yards, 12.84 yds/attempt, 24 TDs, 1 INT, 8 sacks (38 yards).
    Mariota 183-285, 2819 yards, 9.89 yds/attempt, 25 TDs, 0 INT, 16 sacks (98 yards).
    Manziel 230-315, 3313 yards, 10.52 yds/attempt, 31 TDs, 11 INT, 15 sacks.

    RUSHING:
    Winston 58 carries, 145 yards, 2.6 / attempt, longest 20 yards, 3 TDs.
    Petty 53 carries, 127 yards, 2.4 / attempt, longest 20 yards, 10 TDs.
    Mariota 66 carries, 477 yards, 7.2 / attempt, longest 71 yards, 9 TDs.
    Manziel 110 carries, 611 yards, 5.6 / attempt, longest 49 yards, 8 TDs.

    TOTAL OFFENSE:
    Plays includes carries and passes.
    Winston 3083 (308.3 / game), 319 plays (9.7 avg)
    Petty 3119 (346.6 / game), 286 plays (10.9 avg)
    Mariota 3296 (329.6 / game), 351 plays (9.4 avg)
    Manziel 3924 (392.4 / game), 425 plays (9.2 avg)

    Manziel has much higher total yardage, but actually is the lowest in yards per play.

    FOURTH QUARTER PARTICIPATION:
    Volume stats are affected by the level of participation late in games. Fourth quarter attempts gives useful perspective when comparing volume stats:

    Winston: 18 passes, 5 rushes
    Petty: 11 passes, 5 rushes
    Mariota: 21 passes, 6 rushes
    Manziel: 46 passes, 21 rushes

    That’s an extra 4-5 plays per game for Manziel compared to the others, and is the primary factor in his higher total yards.

    TEAM PERFORMANCE:

    Winston. FSU unbeaten, lowest margin 14 points (BC, 6-4), no other close games.
    Petty. Baylor unbeaten, lowest margin of victory 10 points (KSU, 6-4), no other close games.
    Mariota. Oregon one loss by six (Stanford, 8-2), no other close games.
    Manziel. A&M one loss by seven (Bama, 10-0), one by four (Auburn, 10-1), close wins by 3 (Ole Miss, 7-3), ten (MSU, 4-5) and twelve (Arkansas, 3-7).

    QUALITY OF OPPONENTS

    Winston. FSU’s Sagarin SOS is 67.83 (ranked 58).
    Petty. Baylor’s SOS is 64.92 (ranked 85).
    Mariota. Oregon’s SOS is 72.18 (ranked 35).
    Manziel. A&M’s SOS is 69.66 (ranked 47).

    GAMES AGAINST NON-AQ OPPONENTS:
    FSU: 2 (one more to come)
    Baylor: 3
    Alabama: 2 (one more to come)
    Oregon: 1
    A&M: 3

    TURNOVERS IN KEY GAMES:
    Manziel two in each loss, two in the close win at Ole Miss, three in the close win against MSU. One turnover against Bama was a pick six.

    Winston had 1 INT against Clemson, two against Miami.

    Mariota had one fumble lost against Stanford, no turnovers against either Washington or UCLA.

    Petty had one fumble lost in the close game against KSU, one fumble lost against Texas Tech, and no turnovers against Oklahoma.

    LOOKING AHEAD:

    Winston — 2 games left against weak opponents, then conference championship against maybe Duke?
    Petty — 3 games left, including at Oklahoma State and at home against Texas.
    Mariota — 2 games left against solid but not ranked opponents, probably a conference championship against a top 15 opponent (ASU or UCLA).
    Manziel — only 2 games left, both against ranked opponents.

    MY OPINION ON THE WEEK (which others may dispute):
    Still Winston’s to lose.

    Petty’s amazing yards per play coming down a little against tougher opposition, but accounted for four TDs (vs 1 fumble lost) against a decent (if not top) team. If Petty can put up a monster game against a top ten team on the road next week, he could put pressure on Winston’s position. 4 TDs to one fumble lost was a good performance.

    Mariota obviously still can’t run, but a good game keeps him in the hunt if Winston stumbles.

    Manziel had no INTs, publicized negative off-field incidents, nor tacky on-field celebrations this week.

    But that’s just my long and boring opinion.

  12. longborer69 says: Nov 17, 2013 11:12 AM

    @face21000x “Mariota does not have the rushing yards or TDs that manzel has.”

    He has one more rushing TD, and more yards per carry (despite being hobbled the last three weeks). It’s just that he hardly plays in the 4th unlike your guy.

    @amosalonzostagg “Manziel is the best player I have seen play since Archie Manning.”

    Then you need to start watching games outside the SEC. I recommend you watch FSU against Clemson or Oregon against Washington (when Mariota was healthy). You’ll see QBs making great plays without the risky stuff Manziel does to put up his stats.

  13. imacdane says: Nov 17, 2013 1:00 PM

    Manziel haters try to discount his numbers because he plays into the 4th quarter most games…because of A&Ms crap defense. If they were even just mediocre, A&M would be undefeated and the no. 1 team in the country, and Johnny would completely run away with this award. If you’re gonna knock him for his two losses, then you can’t hold it against him that he has to play in the 4th quarter. The reason for both is the same…the defense.

  14. sanduskyshowerspecial says: Nov 17, 2013 1:05 PM

    Winston only played the 1st half as well**** It’s not his fault his team is ridiculously good and lets the interns clean up after half time.

  15. longborer69 says: Nov 17, 2013 5:15 PM

    imacdane, I don’t discount his numbers for playing into the fourth. I also don’t blame him for two losses, other Heisman winners have been on teams with losses.

    Fact remains that the others don’t have the same chance that he has to put up big numbers. It’s not fair to hold it against them that they have a good defense and their coaches aren’t running up the score in the fourth.

    What I do hold against Manziel is he has 11 INTs, and he has had multiple turnovers in each of their two losses and in each of their two closest wins. Eliminate the pick 6 against Alabama and for all we know they’d maybe still be playing overtime.

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