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Urban Meyer knocks BCS, muses about future playoff

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Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer called the BCS a ‘flawed system’ during his weekly press conference on Monday and mused that the coming four-team playoff will also invite controversy.

“I think it’s a flawed system,” Meyer said. “When you logically think about it, what the BCS people have done, which obviously we’re all part of it, I think it was great for a while.

“I think it took an imperfect system and did the best you can without a playoff. There’s going to be controversy in playoffs, too, now. There’s not a 64‑team playoff. You’re going to have four guys. What is that fifth team going to feel like?”

It’s a bit ironic for Meyer to criticize the BCS now that he’s coaching a team that might miss out on a chance to play for the title despite going undefeated. But when he was the head coach at Florida, he benefited from late-season BCS quirks that put the Gators in the title game over teams with identical records in both 2006 and 2008. That must have been the time he was referring to when when he said the BCS was ‘great’ for a while.

Of course, calling the BCS flawed is no stretch. Any system designed to make sense of the sprawling chaos that is college football is going to have some flaws to it. Even a playoff system has its flaws.

In the end, the best we can do is tinker with the post-season without ruining the most meaningful regular season in sports. Besides, perhaps it’s in Ohio State’s best interest to not be given a chance to get beat by Alabama or Florida State. If the Buckeyes finish undefeated while getting shut out of the title game, it will always be able to claim it was the No. 1 team in the land. And you know what? No one will be able to prove them wrong.

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  1. udub says: Nov 18, 2013 7:28 PM

    Here’s a nice idea if you want the BCS to work for you…

    Play a team that is actually good.

    The highest ranked team they’ve played in their winning streak was Northwestern. They’ve now lost 6 games in a row

  2. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 18, 2013 7:28 PM

    What a hypocrite. Everyone remembers how UF got that bid when they shouldn’t have. Where was this sentiment from him THEN?

    And once again, as desperate as he has appeared of late with his voting Ohio State ahead of Florida State, digging up and convoluting this trumped-up story about Winston hoping that it distracts the Noles, it’s all making sense with each passing day.

  3. mrlaloosh says: Nov 18, 2013 7:30 PM

    Hey Urban, if you should make the playoff there won’t be any Youngstown States in it. In typical OSU fashion you would get crushed by any team in the playoffs.

  4. tmb333 says: Nov 18, 2013 7:33 PM

    Under the current system the best playoff would be a 16 team playoff.
    Require all 11 conferences to establish a championship game. The winner of each conference championship game will receive an automatic bid into the playoff.

    The losers of the conference championship games will be the only teams eligible for one of the five at-large bids. This format requires teams to at least win a division in their conference to be eligible for an at-large bid. Independents will only be considered for at-large bids and only one independent will be awarded an at large bid. The highest ranked independent will be added to the eligible pool of at-large teams.

    At this point, at-large teams should be ranked in order of the final BCS poll. The top five are given the bids.

    Once all 16 teams are determine, seeding would be completed by using the final BCS poll.

    All games could be ‘bowl’ games. The NCAA would permit sites to bid on hosting the games just like the do in basketball. If a ‘bowl’ organization wants to bid, let them.

    The games could begin the week after Thanksgiving. This would require the conference championship games to be held over Thanksgiving weekend instead of the week following. The tournament would then play two rounds and then take one week off. After the weekend off, the final two rounds would be played.

  5. 10of14 says: Nov 18, 2013 7:35 PM

    OSU has NOT played a top 10 team since 2011. Great, you’ve gone something like 21 games without a loss (you would have had one had you played Alabama in last year’s title game…count your blessings). But with all due respect, other than a very good MSU team (that lost to ND) and a respectable, but not great UW team, the B10 is awful. OSU has not played one, I repeat, one good defense this year. If they beat MSU by more than 3 TD’s then they might have something; then again, I don’t see them scoring more than 17 points vs. MSU (did I mention they lost to ND!!???). Urban is such a whiner; it benefits from the BCS in the past and says nothing and now complains when his team hasn’t impressed enough to get in themselves. Start playing a good, not even great, non-conference schedule and you might overcome the dismal conference schedule you play. When California is the best team on your non-conference schedule, you have nobody to point a finger at other than your own AD and Coach. Enjoy your loss to Oregon in the consolation game this year.

  6. pastabelly says: Nov 18, 2013 8:11 PM

    Meyer easily could have landed an SEC job, but took the easy way out going to a much weaker conference. Now, he’s whining.

  7. timh1955 says: Nov 18, 2013 8:16 PM

    His best defense that the BCS is flawed would have been to say OSU was ranked #3 when they should me around #6 and Baylor should be #3.

  8. teambringitstrong says: Nov 18, 2013 8:17 PM

    SMH. This MFer here.

  9. BrownsTown says: Nov 18, 2013 8:30 PM

    Meyer has littered this great nation of ours with spurned and bitter ex-girlfriends.

    Who’s everybody taking in the big Alabama-Chatanooga game this Saturday? I’d love to play the spread, but I can’t find one. I wonder why.

  10. BrownsTown says: Nov 18, 2013 8:34 PM

    Ga Southern at
    Florida

  11. BrownsTown says: Nov 18, 2013 8:34 PM

    Coastal Carolina at
    South Carolina

  12. BrownsTown says: Nov 18, 2013 8:36 PM

    First Vandy, then Bama. The Ladies of the SEC ain’t just a calendar….

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-09-26/sports/chi-alabama-michigan-state-sec-schedule-20130926_1_conference-football-schedule-sec-schedule-alabama-coach-nick-saban

  13. gquesen says: Nov 18, 2013 8:44 PM

    Sorry, Mr. Wright. I hate being a jerk on these websites. But each and every time you accuse Meyer of leaking the Winston story, your credibility just goes out the window. Your a grown man (I think). Stop referencing the Newton thing and show real, credible evidence. Pathetic.

  14. pastabelly says: Nov 18, 2013 8:53 PM

    @brownstown – SEC teams don’t need to worry about non-conference schedules. Their in conference schedule is brutal. No worries, your Buckeyes will be joined in the Big Ten by Rutgers and Maryland soon enough.

  15. hehateme1 says: Nov 18, 2013 8:55 PM

    What’s his issue? Quit your crying ya little baby? When’s the last time ohio state even played a decent ranked team? 2 years ago? They pretty much play junior college teams every week. They would get crushed against a decent team. Urban is a tool. What kind of name is urban anyway?

  16. reallythinkhere says: Nov 18, 2013 8:56 PM

    The real question is what do we want to determine at the end of the season? The current BCS system determines nothing but an arbitrary “Champion”.

    A 4 team playoff will probably do a good job of determining the “Best” team in any given year because the true best team will rarely if ever get left out of the top 4. However, it will not help us to really know how people 2+ should be ranked or really stack up.

    A 16 team playoff will probably do a pretty good job of determining who the top 4 teams are and in what order. You will avoid leaving out a team that is truly #3 in the country. But don’t pretend a 16 team playoff will be made up of the true 16 best teams. It is just that the top few will definitely get in there and be able to prove themselves.

    I honestly don’t think you can avoid much controversy until you have at least 24 teams in the playoff. 8 Teams that win their conferences get first round bye. The other conference champions and 13 “at-large” teams are selected for the first round. Have the committee determine seeding and who the at-large teams are with the only rue being no more than 3 from any 1 conference. Seed it so that no 2 conference teams meet each other until the quarter finals (round of 8). The upside of this system would be actually determining a true champion and it could also help end the “which conference is best” argument every year because the truly elite and competitive conferences will land 2-3 in the quarter finals. Will some teams that should be in the top 24 be left out? Yes. Will they be truly elite teams? No.

    The only real downside I see with going to 24 teams and a first round bye is if your favorite team is really good you get potentially one less game to watch them play. :(

  17. reallythinkhere says: Nov 18, 2013 8:58 PM

    Oh, and all this Ohio State is weak – Ohio State is great talk will get silenced in January one way or another. They will have to play in either the title game or almost assuredly against Oregon in the Rose Bowl. We will find out then how good they really are. Nobody can argue their competition will not be elite when they play in their bowl game.

  18. grudenthediva says: Nov 18, 2013 9:05 PM

    Keep crying, Urban. If you get your wish and face Bama, you’ll be begging to run and “spend more time with your family” by the end of the first quarter.

  19. Anoesis says: Nov 18, 2013 9:25 PM

    Meyer isn’t saying anything different than anyone else since the BCS began, but he is being disingenuous by waiting until now to criticize it.

    The “new” system will do one thing for sure: Move the heartbroken team that doesn’t get in from #3 to #5. If that’s considered an improvement then the bar obviously wasn’t very high to start with, something else we all know.

  20. jrs45 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:34 PM

    FSU played Clemson and a Miami team that lost to duke and va tech. The non conference games are against a 4 win Florida, Idaho, Bethune cook man and Nevada. Enough already lol.

  21. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:38 PM

    jrs45 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:34 PM

    FSU played Clemson and a Miami team that lost to duke and va tech. The non conference games are against a 4 win Florida, Idaho, Bethune cook man and Nevada. Enough already lol.
    —————–

    Whining about SOS is for retards whose teams are looking up in the rankings. Anyone can twist SOS to suit their agenda if they wanted.

  22. jrs45 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:41 PM

    Everyone rips on our SOS why not Fsus?

  23. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:45 PM

    I don’t, and couldn’t care less about it, until they try to say that they deserve being ranked ahead of the Noles.

  24. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:45 PM

    Nor does any Noles fan I see anywhere else (until again, they run into the same thing — Ohio State fans trying to tear down the Noles SOS in order to make Ohio State look good).

  25. timh1955 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:53 PM

    Ohio State is the new Boise State

  26. gbditka says: Nov 18, 2013 9:58 PM

    I think these below average out of conference opponents are a good start to why Urban needs to evaluate his program and see that if he wants respect….go play tougher competition in September.

    vs Buffalo – W 40-20
    vs San Diego State W 42-7
    @ California W 52-34
    vs Florida A&M W 76-0

    The whole SEC still laughs that his medical condition started when his recruiting shortfalls to Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn and South Carolina affected his heart. Condition quickly improved when he found work in a lesser conference at a team that had a foundation already laid (just like at Florida thanks to Ron Zook.)

  27. BrownsTown says: Nov 18, 2013 10:00 PM

    “Ohio State is the new Boise State”

    Why didn’t you pick Utah?

    Oh, wait….

    http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=290020333

  28. armstrongsmissingball says: Nov 18, 2013 10:01 PM

    Everyone said the same thing about tOSU against Miami Florida U. Watch out. Urban knows.

  29. armstrongsmissingball says: Nov 18, 2013 10:11 PM

    Hey gbditka ….tOSU played that schedule without their #1 halfback and quarterback. Nuff said.

  30. ohioguy614 says: Nov 18, 2013 10:25 PM

    First of all, OSU does play higher ranked opponents like USC, Texas, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma just to name a few that have been on the schedule, and will be in the near future. You can’t predict who will or will not be relevant when schools schedule 5-10 years in advance. So please, quit using this excuse. Cal was somewhat relevant about 4-5 years ago when they were put on the schedule for this year.

    Secondly, which team has been in more BCS games with a 6-3 record? THE Ohio State University! We’ll take on Oregon in the Rose Bowl again this year if we have to. Seems to me the last time we played them, we won. TOSU has more tradition than most of the top 25 teams combined with NC’s, Heisman’s, and bowl victories. Most of you that post can’t say that about your teams. Yep, the SEC is king right now but that could change in a year or two. Big 12, ACC, Big 10, Pac 12? At least we can hope, because I know I’m not the only one sick of them. And it has EVERYTHING to do with every SEC fan that posts on here.

  31. sportsguy3434 says: Nov 18, 2013 10:36 PM

    I know an easy to put up or shut up…

    Urban, Nick Saban is on line 1 and would like to fill an open date.

    Alabama has done one of the best jobs of scheduling some traditional powers early- Michigan, VT, Penn State, Clemson, etc. Some of them took a fall after playing Bama. They would not hesititate to play tOSU.

  32. jrs45 says: Nov 18, 2013 10:37 PM

    Bravo ohioguy614 Bravo! Well said!!!

  33. ezwriter69 says: Nov 18, 2013 10:39 PM

    Hypocrisy, Urban is thy name.

  34. dkhhuey says: Nov 18, 2013 10:45 PM

    Anytime you mention Urban – you can count on a ton of butt hurt posting! Works for me since nobody gives a shit about a bad coach and based on all the hate – he must be really really good!

  35. Deb says: Nov 18, 2013 10:54 PM

    Whoa! What has happened to Urban? Almost didn’t recognize him from that photo. Gee, he’s aged! :shock:

    @ohioguy614 …

    This SEC fan has always been respectful of other teams, including Ohio State, and defended your program during the Tressel situation. For that, I’ve been repeatedly told I’m stupid, bigoted, ignorant, stuck in 1955, don’t understand what healthcare is, and every other vicious stereotype many of your fans could come up with to slam Southerners, SEC fans, and Alabama fans. So spare me your self-righteous indignation. It’s all BS.

    We’re proud of our conference. And my team has won more championships than any other, so we’re not jealous of your trophies. What you’re sick of is seeing the SEC win seven consecutive championships. To cope, the childish and petty among your fans have spewed poor sportsmanship all over these boards. It’s sad when little whiners respond to other people’s success by telling them how stupid, backward, and bigoted they are.

    You are sick of the SEC fans here? Well, baby, that’s nothing to what we feel for the bitter, nasty, vicious jerks we’ve had to deal with.

  36. timh1955 says: Nov 18, 2013 11:09 PM

    @BrownsTown – That’s the best you can do? You have to go back seven years ago to find something?? Incidentally, that was Saban’s first year at Alabama and Utah was undefeated. Do you want me to find the links for the last two times Bama played Florida w/Urban Meyer when Bama totally owned them both times and Urban claimed he had to quit coaching and spend time with his family? Maybe you guys can get a blue field like Boise State then you can be just like them! Lastly, please make sure your facts are correct before posting them on a public board. OSU does NOT have the most bowl game wins as they have 19. Bama has 35 which is nearly twice as many as OSU and is the most of any team. Bama also has 15 national championships…OSU has 7. Bama also has a lot more tradition than OSU will ever have.

  37. BrownsTown says: Nov 18, 2013 11:16 PM

    http://deadspin.com/5975168/the-definitive-list-of-actual-no+bullshit-college-football-national-champions-or-why-alabama-is-a-liar

  38. philliephaninva says: Nov 18, 2013 11:24 PM

    Thank you Coach Obvious.

  39. sillec28 says: Nov 18, 2013 11:26 PM

    He’s right but for the wrong reason. The flaw is that OSU conceivably could play in the NC game despite a schedule that hasn’t included a very good team all year. That’s a major flaw. The BCS should have a rule that unless a team has a certain strength of schedule it isn’t eligible to play in the NC game or a BCS bowl game.

  40. gbditka says: Nov 18, 2013 11:38 PM

    The entire Big 10 Conference has ZERO “out of conference” wins versus a current Top 25 program in the 2013 season.

    Michigan beat at the time, #14 ranked Notre Dame who is now no longer ranked. (And after watching Bama blowout Notre Dame last year, how were they ranked after being exposed as overrated?)

    Cut & dry, the Big 10 is not respected in today’s college football climate and only the fans in that territory think it’s good.

  41. youcantmakemepickausername says: Nov 19, 2013 12:06 AM

    timh1955 says: Nov 18, 2013 11:09 PM

    @BrownsTown – That’s the best you can do? You have to go back seven years ago to find something?? Incidentally, that was Saban’s first year at Alabama and Utah was undefeated.——————————————————————Actually, that was Saban’s second year there, sport. Not all that important a point since Saban has three titles since then, but if you’re gonna be a pompous douche talking about facts later in your post, at least get your own facts right.

  42. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:10 AM

    I have no problems with SEC fans.

  43. halbert53 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:55 AM

    While generally agreeing with the thrust of an expanded playoff, I totally disagree with limiting it to conference or division champions. Case in point, if Bama were to lose to 1- loss Auburn, then the defending national champion and # 1 ranked team all season wouldn’t make the field because they didn’t win their division despite being a Top 10 team. The same thing could happen in the ACC or PAC 12. UCLA recently had to get a waiver as PAC 12 South champ because of poor W-L record. In a 16-team playoff all conferences should not be guaranteed a spot, they should earn them with a ranking that factors SOS.

  44. louhudson23 says: Nov 19, 2013 4:47 AM

    Playoff is more of the same thing,just 4 teams for people to bitch about instead of 2. And a March Madness Tournament scenario is impossible with Conference play as it is now,and attempting to award Conf. Champs a slot is back to the old style NCAA b-ball model,which denied many great teams a chance. NFL style won’t work either,unless you are going to play for 6 months……simple fact is that nothing is perfect and even in our little virtual world we live in,somebody just isn’t going to get things exactly as they see fit. BCS has worked pretty damn well and no amount of whining is going to make things better….paly good teams and win your games. There is only one Champion and nothing can make there be more….

  45. boomgrounder says: Nov 19, 2013 5:57 AM

    Urban is a phony!

  46. jrs45 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:24 AM

    Doesn’t division II and III have a playoff system? Why not I?

  47. michael1027 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:54 AM

    The Urban Cryer and the recruiter, coach and enabler of the murder Hernandez has zero credibility! When it suited him, extolling the virtues of the BCS was all he could do to leap frog into the championship game!!! Nice try Urban

  48. thraiderskin says: Nov 19, 2013 11:08 AM

    So Urban Meyer says the BCS is flawed and everyone is jumping down his throat? Why? Did he not answer a question the way most CFB fans have been for years? Nothing in the comments posted in the article even imply hypocrisy, let alone whining, he is stating fact. The BCS is flawed, though sometimes it worked out right. The new format will also be flawed, wait till its your team is at the 5 spot. So why all the crying, what did he say that isn’t true?

    As for Mr. Wright, still trolling huh? Again, what a shocker.

  49. thraiderskin says: Nov 19, 2013 11:11 AM

    Mr. Wright, send me your address so I can mail you a deluxe box of tissue and tampons. I assume there will be plenty of OSU articles in future, I’m sure you will need both.

  50. fissels says: Nov 19, 2013 11:47 AM

    Poor Urban. He’s gotten tired of running up the score on his un-ranked opponents

  51. jdillydawg says: Nov 19, 2013 12:22 PM

    Isn’t the regular college season sort of a playoff? I mean, aren’t 10-12 games enough to know who’s better than who for the most part?

    Doesn’t seem like we need a 24 team playoff, or even a 16 team playoff. Four is a good start, but eight seems more than reasonable. If there are 11 conferences, figure out an 11 team playoff. (Math was never my strong suit).

    The problem with putting so many teams in a playoff is that a team that has 3-4 losses could ultimately be the NC. Are they really the best team? This system would reward sub-par teams by giving them a chance they shouldn’t have in the first place. It’s like having a bunch of wild cards.

  52. ohioguy614 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:33 PM

    @Tim1955……OSU does NOT have the most bowl game wins as they have 19. Bama has 35 which is nearly twice as many as OSU and is the most of any team. Bama also has 15 national championships…OSU has 7. Bama also has a lot more tradition than OSU will ever have.
    ————————
    Never said TOSU had more bowl victories, just more BCS games with the best BCS record. Be careful when you try to prove a point. You lose credibility when you get it wrong. I never dissed Alabama’s record. It really is a great record, but the way the SEC talks about TOSU you’d think we never achieved anything in college football. We have, and we’re just as proud as any other major college football fan base.

  53. ohioguy614 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:40 PM

    @ Deb….. All college football fan bases have ‘poor sports’. Even the SEC. You act as if BIG 10 fans are the only crybabies that post here. LOL, believe me they are not. We have our share, and so do you. Funny, I don’t remember any SEC fans ever supporting TOSU during the Tressel fiasco. They were loving every minute of it….just as other fans will love every minute of the next controversy against the SEC when it happens. It’s just human nature, and it keeps these boards going.

  54. dp4life22 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:22 PM

    URBAN is a joke, yes OHIO plays nobody your conference is weak. I hope you did play FSU they would put 60 on your guys unless you throw that little yellow flag in your pocket that comes out everytime an your about to get beat. YOur the NCAA darlings thats why your ranked up there..im not FSU fan but OHIO your not what you think you are.

    Urbans heart hurt from not being in title game. give him 3 more years and see how he runs out after its discovered how many violations they have..

    BAMA v FSU thats 2 best teams and I careless about either.

  55. ratsfoiledagain says: Nov 19, 2013 1:35 PM

    Urban Whiner

    The process works great when it benefits your team.

    When it doesn’t benefit your team, the process needs fixing.

  56. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:09 PM

    thraiderskin says: Nov 19, 2013 11:11 AM

    Mr. Wright, send me your address so I can mail you a deluxe box of tissue and tampons. I assume there will be plenty of OSU articles in future, I’m sure you will need both.
    ————-

    Why would I care? They are beneath my team LMAO

  57. Deb says: Nov 19, 2013 2:14 PM

    @ohioguy614 …

    Give me a break! You flat-out stated that your diatribe was based on the behavior of “every SEC fan that posts on here.” At least I had the graciousness to couch my comments by saying “the childish and petty among your fans” rather than tarring the entire B1G fan base. My post was a direct response to your unprovoked diatribe.

    As for me defending Tressel, the comments on this thread are just a few of the many times I went to the wall saying people needed to back off OSU.

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/30/tressel-encouraged-to-resign-for-good-of-the-program/

  58. thraiderskin says: Nov 19, 2013 3:02 PM

    Mr. Wright… what’s your point? I’m aware the Seminoles are ranked higher than my Buckeyes, but you’re still on here crying about Ohio State… that is all u do! You’re either a child or some little weakling, who doesn’t know what to do now that his team finally matters. FSU is #2, y are u on every buckeye story trolling? Obviously u care way to much about a team that doesn’t matter to u. So again, I will send u tissues and tampons, so u can get over it… I just need an address! Nothing in this story has Urban Meyer saying OSU is playing better than Bama and FSU. Damn, all he said was the BCS is flawed and so will the playoff system. I cant understand what all the butt hurt is about.

  59. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 19, 2013 3:16 PM

    My point??? You sit here with your uncreative “tissue and tampons” comment, and I want to know why I need them when Ohio State is beneath us both in the rankings and in general. Are you that lacking in cognition?

  60. thraiderskin says: Nov 19, 2013 3:39 PM

    I wasn’t shooting for creative, I wanted to make sure you were covered for all your angst. You are the one hounding a team, who you say is beneath FSU, so u are either incredibly insecure, stupid or both. If OSU is so beneath u, why all the heart ache? Why are u on Buckeye stories griefing them? I think these are fair questions, but you can’t seem to answer them, should I diagram them for you in crayon or are you a hands on kind of guy and need playdo sculptures? Either way troll, wtf is your point?

  61. jdillydawg says: Nov 19, 2013 7:58 PM

    Where is the LOVE people? Can’t we all just get along? SEC this…ACC that…B1G this…B12 that.

    Oh, the insanity!

    That said, I’m a Baylor fan. It’s a program steeped in a long and fruitful tradition of losing. Sure, all you tOSU and Bama fans can brag all you want, but you’ve NEVER felt the pain we Baylor fans have felt for the past 20+ years. Even our most famous product failed miserably as a coach (Mike Singletary, 49ers) and our beloved RGIII just isn’t…well, RGIII anymore!

    Of course, that quirky gal Angela from the Office that digs Dwight is a product of Baylor, and we’re awfully proud of that. And we’re proud of the fact Waco is the birthplace of Dr. Pepper too.

    So, take it from a Bear. In the end, no victory is so sweet as that tasted after (many, many years of) bitter defeat. Once BU cracked the Top 10 this year, every win has been like winning the National Championship.

    While it is arguable who is best, the one thing you can be sure of: We Bears will never forget the sweet taste of glory that has come our way this year (and hopefully in the years to come).

    Can I get a hallelujah?

  62. dhardy8207 says: Nov 20, 2013 10:09 AM

    I’m wondering how long before Meyer has a major distraction with the mess that is going on in Florida/New England surrounding Hernandez and the Pouncey twins. Although most is just speculation at this point, the FBI currently has an investigation going into a double murder in Florida that occured during Hernandez’ time at UF. Should an inquiry into the matter produce some evidence that the two are connected, I wonder what that would mean for Meyer vs the NCAA and him possibly being banned from coaching in an NCAA governed institution.

  63. jdillydawg says: Nov 20, 2013 11:47 AM

    dhardy – are you saying Meyer is somehow an accomplice to murder?

    Wow! Now that’s an allegation. I thought the allegations of him planting the Winston sex story were funny, but this takes it to a whole new level!

  64. dhardy8207 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:04 PM

    @jdillydawg:

    No I’m not saying he had a hand in the act of murder. What I’m saying is that the heat has been kicked up on Hernadez’ case and now has indications of possibly more than just Hernandez involved, hence my inclusion of the Pouncey twins. You do know that one of the Pouncey brothers has been served a subpoena to testify infront of a grand jury as to what he knew.

    IF (see all caps) there turns out to be some validity to the speculation and further charges are filed, how can he (Meyer) claim no knowledge of possible wrongdoing occured without his knowledge but yet 3 starting players could possibly be involved….

  65. jdillydawg says: Nov 20, 2013 1:01 PM

    Not as familiar with the story or the Pouncey twins as you are, but what wrongdoing are you suggesting Meyer knew about? It certainly seems you are suggesting he knew more about this murder, in which case he very well could be charged as an accomplice.

    Although I was jesting with my original comment, you’ve opened up a whole new can of worms of here.

  66. dhardy8207 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:38 PM

    “Although I was jesting with my original comment, you’ve opened up a whole new can of worms of here.”

    ————————————————–

    No, lets be honest here you were not “jesting” with your original comment. By the way it appears you took MY comment as a personal attack on Meyer. go figure all the other negative comments you focused on just one. Are you his brother/kin and feel you need to protect his reputation? I’m sure he would feel special knowing you are taking up a personal crusade to take up for him. And just exactly how do tell did “I open up a whole new can of worms” when all I said was “I wonder what implications this would have on how he ran UF’s program” Do you get that now? See how the word “wonder” indicates my interest over how this could affect him and his future in coaching college football. At no time did I insinuate that he had any part in the actual crime/crimes, but what he might have known about some oh HIS player’s off the field activities.

    Again are you related somehow that you know beyond a doubt that he would be above keeping his mouth shut if he thought he had a player/players on his team that could be capable of that type of crime? I mean with a $40 million contract in hand, dumbass Hernandez still put himself in a situation to where he is now staring at a capital murder charge.

    Lastly, on any other occassion that a player on any given team gets into a serious issue with the law, bloggers on here are quick to hold the coach accountable. I’ve read it a gazillion times about “coaches are responsible for their players off field behavior or atleast be aware of those that are potential problems for the team and the university”. So that being said, how he is above the standard for coaches when it comes to knowing what their players are up to off the field?

  67. ohioguy614 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:34 PM

    OK now, the last few comments from jdillydawg and dhardy8207 about what Meyer said are completely off base. You people are just ridiculous.

    I’m not sure why you hate someone so badly just becuase he took some time off from coaching. Maybe he needed a mental break from it all. Many people do that all the time in every profession. Then when his dream job at OSU comes open and he takes it, you all freak out!

    Why the hate? He’s as good of a person, or coach as anyone out there. Your obsession with hating Urban Meyer is entertaining since all he’s done is coached, won NC games, and took his dream job. That’s what he’s paid to do. His original comment on what this thread is about was not that off base or controversial. It was just his observation. BIG FREAKING DEAL!!

  68. CBFAN says: Nov 20, 2013 4:36 PM

    Go Bucks! – Just keep winning, the rest will take care of itself. The fact that one comment by Urban has generated a 66 post thread on this site tells me that people have taken notice.

  69. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:48 PM

    ohioguy614 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:34 PM

    OK now, the last few comments from jdillydawg and dhardy8207 about what Meyer said are completely off base. You people are just ridiculous.

    I’m not sure why you hate someone so badly just becuase he took some time off from coaching. Maybe he needed a mental break from it all.
    —————-

    If you are that naive, I have a few bridges in New York to sell you.

    And to the clown who thinks someone is “taking notice” of the Rose Bowl participants and not striking back out of incredulity to Meyer’s ridiculous comments, voting his team higher than FSU and being behind this Winston mess, please get over yourself.

  70. CBFAN says: Nov 20, 2013 4:53 PM

    Ahh Mr. Wright. The fact that you have spent so much of your energy on this thread for a team that you feel is not relevant speaks volumes. LOL

  71. dhardy8207 says: Nov 20, 2013 6:09 PM

    ohioguy614 says:

    “OK now, the last few comments from jdillydawg and dhardy8207 about what Meyer said are completely off base. You people are just ridiculous.”

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    First, I never stated that “Meyer said anything” so I would kindly appreciate you rereading my post before you accuse me of repeating anything that Meyer said….

    “I’m not sure why you hate someone so badly just becuase he took some time off from coaching. Maybe he needed a mental break from it all.”

    Nope never said I hated him nor did I speak about why he took a hiatus from his coaching job at UF.

    All I stated was wait for it here it goes slowly again: I wonder what is going to happen if the FBI finds that there was a UF football player (Hernandez) involved in a murder in Florida when he was a player under Meyer. Just by that mere statement “Judge Mathis” “AKA jdillydawg” started interrogating me like I had personally accused Meyer of riding shotgun with Hernandez which was totally over the top and not what I said. It is ironic though that any other college coach would fall under scrutiny but yeah he’s just a great guy and not capable of allowing a player to conduct himself in that manner.

  72. jdillydawg says: Nov 20, 2013 7:22 PM

    Wow, dhardy, you’re a might defensive. Actually, I WAS joking with my original comment. I don’t know Urban Meyer from the tooth fairy, so how the hell would I know what he would or wouldn’t do? I can’t really make heads or tails or your argument anymore, either, for that matter. Do you think he’s an accomplice or not? (That’s a rhetorical question. Please don’t answer it)

    I’ve read an awful lot of posts on here about how Meyer planted that Winston sex scandal story. I’m sure you think EVERY one of those guys is serious, too, don’t you? (Spoiler alert – some of those guys were kidding…) My comment was a jest on that.

    You, kind sir, need to take the stick out of your ass and realize the world really isn’t against you.

  73. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 20, 2013 9:03 PM

    PRECISELY, jdillydawg lmao

  74. dhardy8207 says: Nov 23, 2013 8:50 AM

    @ jdillydawg

    My apologies if I took your first few responses out of context. Some times you can’t really tell when someone is serious or using a bit of sarcasm. The need for fans to protect their coach and favorite team often prompts bloggers to twist words and start a whole new arguement on the subject. Again my apologies and for the record, I actually don’t think Meyer had anything to do with the Winston mess, I think eventually that monster would have taken legs of its own when the wrong media outlets went on a snoop hunt. I believe that his almost instant celebrity status within college football has made him a target for any type of bad press.

    I would hope after a lengthy career Meyer comes out unscathed reputationally speaking with the Hernandez case.

    BTW, I’m not a sir, but no offense taken….

  75. jdillydawg says: Nov 23, 2013 2:41 PM

    No worries, dhardy! I always love a good debate and like to the stir the pot on occasion, just to see what happens. Sadly, my sarcasm/humor fonts rarely work on here.

    So, are you saying you haven’t been knighted by the queen? :)

    Apologies on my end for the assumption.

    Sic ‘em Bears!

  76. keets55 says: Nov 24, 2013 9:14 AM

    I’m patiently waiting for someone to mention how badly Baylor would crush OSU, either one of them.

  77. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Nov 24, 2013 1:15 PM

    A few points since I am late to the party.

    1) So much for Oregon being ‘elite.’

    2) So much for this Baylor situation.

    3) Last year Bama would not have been in the MNC with both tOSU and Notre Dame being undefeated. Tressel says ‘You’re welcome’.

    4) FSU is fantastic this year. Well, they look that way. Outside of Clemson, I’m not sure they have been tested and I’m not entirely sure that was a test. The Noles have not faced a legit Defense all season and let us not forget the Boston College game–see we all have those type of nights.

    5) FSU is 1-5 in BCS bowls. The ACC is 3-13. Do we really need to have that conference argument?

    6) The CFB landscape is now littered with numerous losses by teams that were predicted to win. Say what you will about tOSU’s competition, but show me another school that has won 23 in a row. You can’t. It aint easy folks. If you ignore that and go right to the ‘You don’t play anyone’ argument, you are simply a hater who doesn’t understand the concept of ‘any given Saturday.’ Ask Stanford, Oregon, Florida, Michigan, etc.

    7) You don’t have to like tOSU — why would you if you are not a fan — but ignoring their accomplishments will always weaken your argument and lessen your credibility.

    8) Go Bucks!!!

  78. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Nov 24, 2013 1:16 PM

    Oh,

    9) Get over the Urban Meyer thing. With the exception of Alabama fans, any one of you would KILL to have him leading your team.

    Bonus: Deb was very kind to us during the Tressel thing, so don’t give her a hard time.

  79. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 24, 2013 1:28 PM

    angelheartsbuckeyes says: Nov 24, 2013 1:16 PM

    Oh,

    9) Get over the Urban Meyer thing. With the exception of Alabama fans, any one of you would KILL to have him leading your team.

    Bonus: Deb was very kind to us during the Tressel thing, so don’t give her a hard time.
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    And Florida State. We’ll take The Process over a lying, cheating scumbag any day. But then again, you Ohio State fans think the world revolves around you, when in reality no one outside of flyover states care.

  80. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 24, 2013 1:41 PM

    LMAO@”not tested.”

    No, they’re just that much better than everyone else. And once YOU clowns face a legitimate defense, you’ll be piping down. Difficult to slow down the best offensive line and best receiving corps in the nation, regardless of whose defense you want to put in front of FSU.

    Relying on SOS when your team is WORSE in SOS is delirium at its finest. The eye test shows that FSU is just leagues better than everyone. Period.

  81. jdillydawg says: Nov 24, 2013 11:03 PM

    “I’m patiently waiting for someone to mention how badly Baylor would crush OSU, either one of them.”

    You’ll probably be waiting a long time, unless you dial one of those 976 Fortune Teller lines, spend a few hundred dollars and have them tell you what you want to hear.

    After you’ve been through 20+years of futility as Baylor has (as has its fans), every victory – no matter who it is against – is a gift. This season is a gift.

    Baylor is a small Baptist school that very nearly was forced out of the Big12 because it literally could not compete. While most of this board argues who is Team Supreme, Baylor was on life support five years ago.

    Doesn’t matter what Baylor does right now, it has earned the respect of its peers on the playing field. Opposing fans can run the team down, (as all good fans should), but I guarantee you, no team goes up against Baylor these days thinking it will be an easy contest.

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