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Report: Decision on Jameis Winston likely to come after ACC title game

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The final decision on whether or not charges will be brought against Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston for his alleged role in a sexual assault case probably won’t come until after the ACC title game, according to a report on Tuesday from CBSSports.com.

The State Attorney’s Office probably needs the next two weeks or longer before deciding whether to bring charges against the Florida State quarterback, assistant state attorney of the Second Judicial Circuit Georgia Cappleman told CBSSports.com on Tuesday.

“It’s mostly likely (after next week),” Cappleman said.

The state attorney is waiting on evidence that hasn’t yet arrived, said Cappleman, who declined comment on specifics of the investigation.

Heisman votes are due on Monday, Dec. 9, two days after the ACC title game, so that means Winston could potentially head to New York as a Heisman finalist later that week with a felony charge in tow and the ballots already cast.

What’s more, Florida State could secure a spot in the BCS title game before poll voters know Winston’s ultimate fate. If Winston is charged, he will likely be suspended by FSU until the case is resolved. That means the Seminoles could be headed to Pasadena with a third-string quarterback, freshman Sean Maguire, as their starter.

This would be the ultimate nightmare scenario for the BCS powers-that-be, not to mention the Heisman Trust.

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  1. dad2ze says: Nov 26, 2013 8:08 PM

    typical Willie Meggs…

  2. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 26, 2013 8:08 PM

    That settles it. This is all being done to cast a cloud over his Heisman candidacy and that’s all there is to it. What other “evidence” is there? The rape kid can’t prove anything, or else there would have been charges.

    Unless she has video evidence of the alleged incident, backing her story, or some other proof showing that Winston bragged about doing so (good luck with that), there isn’t anything else to gather. So again, who is behind this, and what is their angle? Justice for the accuser isn’t it. Meggs can’t charge with what he has, so what’s the hold up here?

  3. barbeaux says: Nov 26, 2013 8:11 PM

    That’s bs

  4. jhagman99 says: Nov 26, 2013 8:20 PM

    Meggs doesn’t have what he needs to charge (if he did, the rape kit would’ve shown it and he’d have even charged by now) and so he’s tryin to make it look like he dotted every I and crossed every t. The plus to that, for him, is that the odds of idiots letting it negatively affect Jameis’ Heisman chances increase by the day. Willie Meggs may not get the pound of flesh he wanted but he’s gonna get a pound regardless.

  5. jimmy53 says: Nov 26, 2013 8:21 PM

    You can’t penalize a kid for something he didn’t do. There are no charges so they need to judge him on the work he’s done on the field.

  6. erockfox says: Nov 26, 2013 8:27 PM

    my theory is they’re waiting for facebook and Twitter to dig up her old profiles for them to review.

  7. mdp44 says: Nov 26, 2013 8:28 PM

    Can’t let a criminal investigation get in the way of football. Signed A. Hernandez

  8. classyjacklambert says: Nov 26, 2013 8:31 PM

    That’s horsepucky! There is no reason it should take several weeks to even realize if you have enough to charge a guy. If that’s the case, you don’t, and you should let him get on with his business. At least you can release a statement saying “Unless further evidence comes to light, we will not be pressing charges”. Putting a cloud over a redshirt freshman QB in this climate is just grandstanding at this point.

  9. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 26, 2013 8:37 PM

    classyjacklambert says: Nov 26, 2013 8:31 PM

    That’s horsepucky! There is no reason it should take several weeks to even realize if you have enough to charge a guy. If that’s the case, you don’t, and you should let him get on with his business. At least you can release a statement saying “Unless further evidence comes to light, we will not be pressing charges”. Putting a cloud over a redshirt freshman QB in this climate is just grandstanding at this point.
    ————–

    Classic Meggs. It’s old hat for him. People outside of the FSU community are just now hearing it for the first time (apparently). Somehow ESPN and all the other irresponsible outlets aren’t questioning THAT angle, and repeating that Winston has the cloud of the allegations over his head 174 times per game and every SportsCenter. It’s beyond reprehensible for both Meggs and media outlets who are not accurately reporting everything and questioning the obvious and dubious timetable that Meggs is operating under.

  10. blacknole08 says: Nov 26, 2013 8:40 PM

    I am so sick of Meggs and his over-inflated ego. Look, you are either gonna charge him or not! Simple as that. Stop with the innuendo already!

    Enough of this circus! A kids reputation and name is being smeared daily and for what? For some old ass man and non-accuser can get their 15 minutes?! Geez.

  11. classyjacklambert says: Nov 26, 2013 8:45 PM

    It’s a politician’s game, I think most career DA’s would do the same as Meggs maybe not to such an extent but I think it is the rule to use these things to get your name out there as a tough but fair prosecutor. I just really hope it backfires so that others will take note.

  12. classyjacklambert says: Nov 26, 2013 8:50 PM

    I really just want a journalist to ask Meggs the question, “Would you take three solid weeks to determine if an unknown kid was accused with date rape with the amount of evidence you have?” Either way he answers that, he’s wrong.

  13. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 26, 2013 8:55 PM

    Any evidence that would take this long to materialize would be evidence that exonerates Winston like cell phone records or text messages between the alleged victim & alleged rapist.

    Also it could be deleted data from social media sites that the alleged victim already deleted because of pictures or posts that document a prior and or ongoing relationship. Apparently there was a ton of stuff regarding these two on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other social media sites until the story broke. Then all of it suddenly disappeared. Lots of #fsucleatchasers posts.

    Even though posts & images were deleted by the alleged victim there’s certainly numerous copies cached on multiple servers within each of the social media sites infrastructure, in their cloud that could be restored & documented if subpoenaed by Meggs. And this would take time, if there is a lot of data to be restored.

    Nothing ever gets fully deleted from the internet, once it’s posted there’s always a copy of it somewhere…forever.

    So what ever was there a few weeks ago is still there just not available over the public internet.

    Or as others have suggested Meggs may just be dragging this out to either extend the national spotlight on his office or to diminish Winston’s chances of winning the Heisman.

    The longer this takes the less likely anything comes of it. Though it could cost Winston the Heisman in the process.

    If there was a shred of evidence that pointed to a crime Winston would already be charged.

  14. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:03 PM

    It’s the question the media (most notably ESPNTMZ and all the others) irresponsibly “reporting” on this REFUSE to include in all their mutating “updates” on this whole thing. The very fact that her lies are not congruent, the stories keep changing, the accuser’s attorney continues to ruin her own “case” by hurling libelous and slanderous accusations through the media and trying to swing popular opinion — all with the intention of getting back at him by ruining his Heisman candidacy. That’s ALL this is about. Watch when (if we ever do) hear the truth about her social media posts that are always going to be cached, no matter how much she thinks she deleted them forever. It’s a spite move, and the newness of this current development isn’t even about her, it’s about someone connected to her who has this agenda.

  15. cedaly1968 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:17 PM

    This summer, Carols Hyde, RB, Ohio State, was at a bar and a woman took a swipe at him. He walked away and then went back and tried to slap her back. He missed. No charges were filed. He sat 3 games in his senior year for putting himself in the position (and the team) for the scrutiny. In 10 games, he has rushed for over 1000 yards. If he had played in the game against Cal, Buffalo and FAMU (what a crap schedule) he likely would be going into the Michigan game with 1600 rushing yards and a chance to hit 2000 yards through the end of the Big10 season. Instead, he sat. Jameis Winston has NO ONE TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF. He’s the one who decided to have a “girl on the side” and whether he sexually assaulted her or not, he put himself and his team in a compromising position.

    If I were a Heisman voter, he would not get my vote because it would be detrimental to the award and the sport to have 2 Heisman trophies vacated in the course of 10 years. Likewise, if FSU makes the title game and he is ineligible to play, it’s just as bad. But should FSU deem he should play in the title game and he is charged and he is found guilty, he would by default be guilty to lying to the NCAA and the season and the title would be vacated.

    While everyone in Florida thinks this is bogus, you are approaching the situation as if Winston is innocent. He is not. He is guilty of using extremely poor judgment that has damaged his reputation, his team’s reputation and his school’s reputation. That’s part of the problem.

  16. jhagman99 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:22 PM

    “I think it is the rule to use these things to get your name out there as a tough but fair prosecutor”

    Which in Meggs’ case would be silly because the seventy something yea old lot already says he isn’t running for office again. The guy is bonkers.

  17. chicagocane says: Nov 26, 2013 9:23 PM

    Guys. Do you think it might be possible that he IS guilty? You seem much closer to the details so…are you all 100% sure he didn’t rape her?

  18. halbert53 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:29 PM

    Whole mess stinks. A grand jury should either indict him if there’s sufficient evidence or else issue a “no true bill ” which is affirmatively saying he is innocent. One prosecuting attorney is playing God and the victim’s attorney is getting lots of publicity to build her practice.

  19. jhagman99 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:31 PM

    ” He is guilty of using extremely poor judgment that has damaged his reputation, his team’s reputation and his school’s reputation. That’s part of the problem.”

    The hell? I’d say get off your sanctimonious high horse but sheesh, you’re really stretching for this one. So he (allegedly) had a side piece? Yes, shame on him for doing something that no other 19 year old college kid has ever done, whether it’s shady or not, and for not having the foresight to know this was going to become the circus it has turned out to be A YEAR LATER. Gimme a friggin break. And to tie it to some argument for a Buckeye Heisman candidacy?? Yeah, you’re not interested solely in fairness and morals or anything.

  20. classyjacklambert says: Nov 26, 2013 9:31 PM

    @Cedaly

    I don’t disagree with your argument, but at the same time if we start prosecuting every college student that uses poor judgment, our court systems are going to be clogged for years until we decide that was a waste of time. Even if we just prosecuted every college student that cheated on their significant other… That would be about 40% of the college population… And 80% of those that had a significant other before entering college. We can only really take taxpayer dollars to pursue those cases that are actually crimes and pass the sniff test. If something takes several weeks to even get a whiff… well maybe it’s time to chase another scent.

  21. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:32 PM

    Why is it lost on you that if they had grounds to charge him, that they would have? Especially someone who has had no qualms about doing so with much less with several players in the past?

    I am really starting to believe that their moves right now are to gather the social media data so that they don’t get this thing dragged back in front of them later. If THOSE are the “loose ends” that Meggs were speaking of, then I will let it cook.

  22. doggeatdogg says: Nov 26, 2013 9:38 PM

    erockfox says:
    my theory is they’re waiting for facebook and Twitter to dig up her old profiles for them to review.
    ——-
    ding ding ding
    They know who she is all over campus and other web sites. She is a jock chaser and known to JW. Her social media accounts will be her doom. They were shut down not long ago and I’m hearing she was rah rah team.

    Also, the race angle is not being discussed because historically this has been bad ju ju for race relations. Her parents/family are most likely her concerns.

    Also the prosecutor has been on this road before with girl feeling sorry she did IT then accuses boy of rape after wards. If he prosecutes JW and is wrong, there goes his career in that state. I don’t think he could survive even in Miami.

    @becauseisaysothatswhy
    —-
    I disagree that Meggs’ delays are intentional, or to damage Winston’s chances at the Heisman. On the contrary, searching for incriminating information she posted on social media before and after the incident will only shed light on this matter. That she removed it is a huge red flag and the DA will not be happy he had to do all this data mining crapola.

    Also, Winston leads the Heisman race and would win it by a overwhelming vote without this cloud hanging over him. If he does not win it and let’s say he is exonerated post Heisman presentation, he can sue the accuser, her family, and her attorney for all they are worth if he can prove he would have won it. He can garnish her wages until she pays judgment.

  23. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:40 PM

    halbert53 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:29 PM

    Whole mess stinks. A grand jury should either indict him if there’s sufficient evidence or else issue a “no true bill ” which is affirmatively saying he is innocent. One prosecuting attorney is playing God and the victim’s attorney is getting lots of publicity to build her practice.
    ————–

    And no one in their right mind would retain her services with how irresponsibly she has conducted herself (if there actually was a case, she would have shot it to smithereens with her public comments). It just reeks of ulterior motives OUTSIDE of seeking justice for the woman, even if she had been raped.

  24. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:44 PM

    doggeatdogg: correct.

  25. halbert53 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:46 PM

    Winston wouldn’t get my Heisman vote nor JF after his crap. Both have made poor choices , whether a crime was involved or not. I’d probably vote for the RB who has 2,000 yards. But Winston deserves a shot on his merits without a cloud of suspicion of a rape charge up in the air. But if he was double dipping and voters hold that against him , that’s on him.

  26. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 26, 2013 9:49 PM

    doggeatdogg

    I hope you’re right. I too believe it’s either cell phone / text message records or deleted social media but if that’s not the case my next guess is that Meggs, like many posters on this college football site is prude, holier than thou etc…and simply doesn’t approve of the lifestyle. Therefore foot dragging as long as possible in efforts to thwart Winston’s Heisman chances.

  27. ashleyspashley says: Nov 26, 2013 9:54 PM

    personally, I feel there is no evidence of rape; this IS shoddy police involvement (reporting it to the state attorney’s office, information of Winston’s DNA being released regarding the incident, the police report that doesn’t match Winston’s description…..)

    …I think many early assumptions were based on awful police work (admittedly, my own as well), but now I wonder how many incidents, especially in the age of social media, have gone this way…and not just in sports

  28. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 26, 2013 10:03 PM

    jhagman99 says: Nov 26, 2013 9:31 PM

    ” He is guilty of using extremely poor judgment that has damaged his reputation, his team’s reputation and his school’s reputation. That’s part of the problem.”

    The hell? I’d say get off your sanctimonious high horse but sheesh, you’re really stretching for this one. So he (allegedly) had a side piece? Yes, shame on him for doing something that no other 19 year old college kid has ever done, whether it’s shady or not, and for not having the foresight to know this was going to become the circus it has turned out to be A YEAR LATER. Gimme a friggin break. And to tie it to some argument for a Buckeye Heisman candidacy?? Yeah, you’re not interested solely in fairness and morals or anything.
    —————–

    More and more on social media, I am seeing embarrassing commentary from Ohio State fans. It is galling and makes me aghast to read it. They allege that all FSU fans care about is Winston’s exoneration and for the team to move on to the National Championship with Winston possessing a Heisman in hand.

    I have seen outlets where I see them STARTING arguments over SOS (while people are discussing the actual case itself), bringing up run-of-the-mill guys like Carlos Hyde, and some completely irrelevant situation during the summer, trying to tear down FSU’s schedule, when Ohio State’s has them exactly where they should be, and have even (first-hand accounts on the part of people I know in Ohio) been openly hoping that this allegation is true, not because they believe it based upon what evidence has been leaked, but because they want to rip Winston and lobby for some Ohio State guy to win the Heisman, while thinking that if Winston is charged, that FSU will somehow lose to UF and Duke, and hoping that Auburn beats Alabama.

    They don’t care about justice, just their boring, overrated team that has yet to play an FBS team in 2 1/2 years.

  29. sillec28 says: Nov 26, 2013 10:03 PM

    About a week ago Meggs said he just had 4 or 5 “loose ends” to tie up. Now it’s going to take that week plus next week to tie up those “loose ends?” And what a coincidence – it just so happens that by waiting that long Winston gets to play in the UF game (not that FSU should need him for that game) and the ACC title game. After the ACC title game I can just hear Meggs saying “a decision will be made the morning after the NC game. “What a crock of BS. But hey, anything to help out the FSU football team.

  30. blacknole08 says: Nov 26, 2013 10:16 PM

    While everyone in Florida thinks this is bogus, you are approaching the situation as if Winston is innocent. He is not. He is guilty of using extremely poor judgment that has damaged his reputation, his team’s reputation and his school’s reputation. That’s part of the problem.

    ————————————————————–

    OMG he is a 19 year kid who just happened to achieve success at such a young age. Are we really gonna ask a 18-19 year old to have a high morale compass?

    Even though his judgement was “bad,” (as far as cheating on his g/f), that does not mean that he did any wrongdoing or what he is being accused of doing.

    People need to get off their high horse.

  31. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 26, 2013 10:24 PM

    Mr. Wright 212

    That’s the hypocrisy.

    If we proclaim Winston’s innocence it’s only because we want to win the NC and for Winston to win the Heisman but when they proclaim his guilt it’s only out of concern for the victim.

    Because CollegeFootballTalk is changing it’s name to Dr. Phil’s Oprah Book Club Discussion Group and the bleeding hearts for the alleged victim care not for football…it’s all genuine outrage for the victim…because the evidence is so compelling and we have all the facts…

  32. gatorfan1 says: Nov 26, 2013 10:29 PM

    Let me get this straight. The supposed victim & Attorney have already come out and said they had no prior relationship. And also came out and refuted the picture in TMZ.

    So she and her attorney meet with Meggs, who undoubtedly asked her about the rumors and if they know each other. So they lied, knowing full well you can’t ever delete something permanently. From a computer or from a phone.

    Maybe the two affidavits, which coincidentally, have been identified as being two FSUfootball players, are being reviewed with some suspicion, and they are closely examining their timelines.

    One thing I would like to know. The night in question, did she know the other 2 players? And I sure would like to see the detectives notes from the first night through the identification of Winston. Did the detective think it was a solid case until he discovered it was involving Winston. All very interesting questions that will be answered in time.

  33. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 26, 2013 10:36 PM

    gatorfan1

    Why don’t you post a link to any news site reporting your claim that “two affidavits, which coincidentally, have been identified as being two FSUfootball players, are being reviewed with some suspicion, and they are closely examining their timelines.”

    Is it the same site that you found the negative test results from last December? Or Winston’s blood test results from April? Both of which didn’t exist?

    Getting nervous about Saturday? With or without Winston it’s gonna be ugly in the Swamp…

  34. gatorfan1 says: Nov 26, 2013 10:39 PM

    becauseisaysothatswhy:

    No I’m not nervous about this weekend, I expect us to lose. Conversely, can you post anything that is credible concerning a previous relationship.

    I’m doing exactly as you are in guessing about certain things, like finding facebook posts and texts.

  35. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 26, 2013 10:49 PM

    gatorfan1

    no, you’re not doing exactly like I am.

    when you wrote “two affidavits, which coincidentally, have been identified as being two FSUfootball players, are being reviewed with some suspicion, and they are closely examining their timelines.”

    that’s not giving your opinion on what might be going on, you’re making a statement as if it was true, had been reported somewhere…and it hasn’t

    you have this problem with making sh*t up…then getting called out for it

    two words…Georgia Southern…

    enjoy

  36. Deb says: Nov 26, 2013 11:21 PM

    @halbert53 …

    If you’re an FSU fan, you don’t want this thing going to the grand jury. That would just drag it out longer–and if a prosecutor wants to charge, he will probably get the grand jury to go along with him. That’s pretty much what grand juries do: rubber stamp whatever the prosecutor wants. They’ve said they don’t plan to bring this before a grand jury, and that’s better for Winston because it will speed up the process.

    Three weeks may seem like a long time to investigate a rape allegation, but it’s not. The nearly 12 months that passed before the last three weeks was insanity. But if this investigation runs another two weeks, that’s reasonable. Because Winston is a now public figure, everything they do from this point forward will be scrutinized. They can’t afford to make anymore mistakes.

  37. gatorfan1 says: Nov 26, 2013 11:49 PM

    becauseisaysothatswhy:

    Nice try taking something out of context:

    Maybe the two affidavits, which coincidentally, have been identified as being two FSUfootball players, are being reviewed with some suspicion, and they are closely examining their timelines.

    You do see the “Maybe”, right?

    Sort of like you posting pictures and without “referencing” supposedly.

    I personally think the longer it takes the worse for Winston. My opinion.

  38. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 12:07 AM

    gatorfan1

    Georgia Southern…

    and what did I take out of context when I copy & pasted your exact words? how do I take your exact words out of context?

    plus just adding maybe still doesn’t fix “two affidavits, which coincidentally, have been identified as being two FSU football players, are being reviewed with some suspicion, and they are closely examining their timelines.”

    because the two affidavits haven’t been identified as both being from football players. one is a football player who also supplied a DNA sample and the other witness has not been identified.

    and nothing has been stated by Meggs or his office regarding the affidavits at all meaning your whole “being reviewed with some suspicion, and they are closely examining their timelines.” is totally made up, unsubstantiated horsesh*t

    what was said by Meggs office is that they are waiting on specific pieces of evidence that they don’t have. they’ve had the affidavits since the beginning of the process and they are the same affidavits submitted in Feb.

    Georgia Southern…

  39. psychologyofsports says: Nov 27, 2013 12:09 AM

    Let them take their time and get it right here is my take–http://psychologyofsports.com/2013/11/23/the-jameis-winston-rape-case-reflects-the-best-and-worst-of-us/

  40. gatorfan1 says: Nov 27, 2013 12:25 AM

    becauseisaysothatswhy:

    Say what you want, everyone here is guessing and projecting what they believe is going on, that includes you.

    You need to understand what taking something out of context means if you don’t get that you copied and paste only part of a thought or sentence. Again, the word “Maybe” precluded the sentence you copied. You conveniently left that.

    And the one who is getting nervous is you, the longer something takes the worse, not better.

  41. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 12:36 AM

    gatorfan1

    maybe doesn’t fix the “which coincidentally, have been identified as being two FSU football players”

    Maybe refers to “are being reviewed with some suspicion, and they are closely examining their timelines”

    which is specifically why I keep asking where you came up with “which coincidentally, have been identified as being two FSU football players” because they haven’t…

    I could care less about your theory that the affidavits “are being reviewed with some suspicion, and they are closely examining their timelines” I accept this is your opinion and dismissed it as made up horsesh*t because it’s implausible due to Meggs office saying that they are waiting on specific pieces of evidence that are not yet in their possession.

    the affidavits are in their possession. they can examine them under an electron microscope for all I care, they have them in their possession Sherlock, the delay is for evidence they don’t have…

    Georgia Southern

  42. halbert53 says: Nov 27, 2013 6:36 AM

    @Deb
    Short term having prosecutor decide to prosecute or not may help FSU use his services. As for Heisman, huge amount of damage has been done and probably is irreversible.
    Grand jury adds ONE DAY to process but could benefit him for his lifetime if he ‘s innocent. If this was a simple case involving a bar fight, drugs or robbery where there is sufficient probable cause for an arrest, having prosecutor make decision is fine. This however involves a lot of he said/she said and a civil lawsuit (s) is virtually guaranteed regardless of criminal charges.

    But, giving Winston the presumption of innocence, what is best for Winston in the long term is not necessarily what is in FSU ‘s short term best interest and I would say what is best for Winston trumps what is best for FSU.

    If one individual, the prosecutor, decides not to prosecute, how does Winston regain his name? Many people, right or wrong, would think he was guilty and being shown favoritism. If the prosecutor alone decides to prosecute, lots of people will think he is being singled out.

    There was a situation in Mississippi several years ago where the wife of a former NFL player was found dead in suspicious circumstances and there was rampant speculation on TV and in print that the husband killed her. The DA presented evidence to grand jury, which issued a “no true bill.” This was not simply a failure to indict by not acting. The grand jury was emphatically saying there was insufficient evidence to indict or arrest. And the. NFL player largely got his reputation back.

    Which, if Winston is innocent, is in his long term best interest. Plus, the standards of proof for an indictment and a civil suit are similar and far less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt for criminal conviction. So if a grand jury does not indict Winston , he will have more ammunition to ward off or defend a civil suit that would take 1-2 years .

  43. gatorfan1 says: Nov 27, 2013 7:25 AM

    becauseisaysothatswhy:

    Evidence they are awaiting, could most definitely be referring to any fact checking on affidavits there genius. Do you think they just believe what the affidavits say and are not fact checking or gathering timeline evidence concerning the stories, wake up man!

    Since you mention getting records, how about, maybe, they want records like texts between Winston and the two witnesses. Did that cross your mind?

    Since Winston won’t speak to Meggs, which is his right, they have to get the correct information outside of him. At this point, the only thing Meggs can go on is her word and the detectives. So you just automatically assume he knows she is lying, WHEN Meggs can’t get the other side of the story. You just want the case to be dismissed, damn be the thoroughness of the DA.

    And if you think Meggs found out she had a prior relationship or FB contact, and didn’t drop the whole matter, than you are naive. This case would already be over. No grandstanding, no nothing. Done, over!!

    You sound like a guy who has 15 windows open at once reading every blog concerning this. And if you find someone not “goosestepping” in line with your “theory” you immediately attack.

    Listen, even if Winston is charged, doesn’t win the Heisman or FSU doesn’t win the NC; YOUR life will remain the same. The sun will come up tomorrow and you will still have your whole life in front of you. When everything is said and done, this doesn’t effect you, or how YOUR life ends up.

    Let’s hope not anyway!

  44. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 8:26 AM

    gatorfan1

    hey Rainman check my first post:

    becauseisaysothatswhy says:
    Nov 26, 2013 8:55 PM

    Any evidence that would take this long to materialize would be evidence that exonerates Winston like cell phone records or text messages between the alleged victim & alleged rapist.

    Also it could be deleted data from social media sites that the alleged victim already deleted because of pictures or posts that document a prior and or ongoing relationship. Apparently there was a ton of stuff regarding these two on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other social media sites until the story broke. Then all of it suddenly disappeared. Lots of #fsucleatchasers posts.

  45. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 8:30 AM

    gatorfan1

    also your own statements contradict the points you attempt to make, you can’t have it both ways

    IE: “Since you mention getting records, how about, maybe, they want records like texts between Winston and the two witnesses. Did that cross your mind?”

    VS

    IE: “And if you think Meggs found out she had a prior relationship or FB contact, and didn’t drop the whole matter, than you are naive. This case would already be over. No grandstanding, no nothing. Done, over!!”

    So what is it? Are they looking for call records / text message records or did no prior relationship exist???

    You’re all over the place there MPD. try to figure out what your point is then attempt to make it…

  46. peymax1693 says: Nov 27, 2013 8:47 AM

    This whole incident raises so many questions in my mind.
    If the complaining witness was sleeping with Winston and was motivated to make a false allegation because he dumped her, why did she report a rape the same night but not immediately identify Winston as the perpetrator?
    If she really lied about having a relationship with Winston was it reasonable for her to believe that she would be able to erase any evidence from social media?
    If she had the chance to stop the investigation and avoid any embarrassing details from emerging, why didn’t she do it? I don’t know Meggs, but maybe he has the same questions I do and he wants to make sure he has as many “facts” as he can before he decides to make a decision that one way or another would have a tremendous impact on the lives of the two people at the center of this incident.

  47. ronarch13 says: Nov 27, 2013 8:54 AM

    Well, the good ol boys are still alive and well…. In 2 weeks they will be waiting on the examination results of a hippo at the zoo and use that as an excuse to not make a decision. Just say it: He can’t be charged because he has to play these games and that will make us a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!
    Just like the accuser was allegedly told: This is a football town. (how does that look now)

  48. buddah4snow says: Nov 27, 2013 9:08 AM

    chicagocane: What we think is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what the prosecutor can prove to a jury “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Barring some proof of injury to the accuser, and do you really think it would have stayed hidden this long if it existed, it becomes a case of one persons word against another.

    That said, Meggs should already know if he has enough evidence or not. Get on with it.

  49. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 27, 2013 9:50 AM

    I have to say this is some of the worst judicial process I’ve EVER seen. I don’t know what if anything that Winston did, but this does no good to ANYONE involved to hold out this long.

    If you’re the victim, and he really did it, why should you have to watch this guy get to continue to play football games on national tv week in and week out and be the darling of the CFB world.

    If you’re Winston and you really didn’t do it, why should you be required to hold this cloud of uncertainty over your head for an extended period of time.

    Either you have the evidence or you don’t…. make a decision, there is absolutely no reason why this should take weeks… and to be honest, post ACC title game would move this investigation into the ‘years’ category….

  50. gatorfan1 says: Nov 27, 2013 9:52 AM

    becauseisaysothatswhy:

    Unlike you, I am able to process more than 1 thought or possibility. Since you so eloquently stated in a previous post that Meggs is looking to receive several items of evidence, means that it could be related to 1 or more different things surrounding the case. Where do you have ANY credible link or evidence whatsoever, saying they are looking at her records and contacts. See it goes both ways!

    So what your saying is the DA is not capable of considering several different scenarios of the events.

    Wow, you live in a dream world.

    Georgia Southern bothers me a let less than you hearing “he’s being charged” which obviously would ruin his life.

    They may be “cleatchasers” but you are definitely a “jock sniffer”, too funny. What a shallow life you must lead.

  51. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 10:14 AM

    gatorfan1

    1. Glad you can laugh at your own joke….called me a jock sniffer….wow. How long did it take for you to come up with that one?

    2. Regarding my ability or lack there of to process multiple thoughts or possibilities….again Rainman if you read my initial post you’ll clearly see I put out multiple possibilities…get someone close to you to read it to you.

    3. And right after you state that I can’t process more than one thought or possibility you then state that I, using your exact words “eloquently stated in a previous post that Meggs is looking to receive several items of evidence, means that it could be related to 1 or more different things surrounding the case”

    So which is it captain contradiction; can I or can’t I process multiple items simultaneously?

    Just to be clear, if there was any real evidence that Winston was guilty I would never look the other way over football or anything else but you & so many others literally want him to be guilty. Lust after his guilt. Willing to concoct any way possible for him to be guilty. Find it so implausible that the accuser would be lying…

  52. gatorfan1 says: Nov 27, 2013 10:38 AM

    becauseisaysothatswhy:

    “Glad you can laugh at your own joke….called me a jock sniffer….wow. How long did it take for you to come up with that one?”

    Probably quicker than you coming up with “rainman”!!

  53. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 10:42 AM

    gatorfan1 akaGeorgia Southern CSI,

    I find that hard to believe based on how long it took you to reply to my last post….

  54. rkl0244 says: Nov 27, 2013 11:15 AM

    He did it. You know it and I know it. Look at his s–t eating grin. Guilty. Lock him up and toss the key.

  55. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 27, 2013 11:18 AM

    rkl0244 says: Nov 27, 2013 11:15 AM

    He did it. You know it and I know it. Look at his s–t eating grin. Guilty. Lock him up and toss the key.
    ________________________

    If we’re locking up people because of their smile somebody go grab Cam Newton…. that dude obviously broke a BUNCH of laws.

  56. Deb says: Nov 27, 2013 11:31 AM

    @halbert53 …

    That’s an isolated case. As a rule, grand juries screw up more reputations than they save because their proceedings are secret. They can indict on the flimsiest evidence without having to produce any of it.

    As for Winston’s reputation … Mark Sanchez was arrested for rape while at USC, and you rarely hear anything about that. If the case goes away, the notoriety surrounding it will fade with time.

    The more troublesome aspects of this situation are the fact that the investigating officer apparently did lie to the accuser–which is why everyone is dealing with this situation neary a year later. That, more than anything else, makes it appear something sinister is going on–whether or not that’s the case. And it’s a little bothersome to me that Winston is represented by FSU’s counsel. His attorney should have his, and only his, interests in mind.

  57. gatorfan1 says: Nov 27, 2013 11:41 AM

    becauseisaysothatswhy:

    Well some of us actually get up from the keyboard and do things.

    So let me get this straight: The accuser’s lawyer says she received toxicology results back saying victim was not drunk, easily verified by Meggs. Also, accuser’s lawyer claims victim did not know Winston, again easily verifiable by Meggs. So I’m going out on a limb and saying these two things are correct.

    But hey here good news for you becauseisaysothatswhy: I know some lawyers that graduated both from FSU AND Florida. They say that the courts actually look at how drunk someone is, and if there really drunk, that goes against defendant, because it will be viewed as the victim being “to drunk” to consent. Wow, never heard that or thought about it that way.

    So a point in your column possibly. I know this will get you all giddy and allow you to get out of bed and have a productive day.

    But Meggs might have other issues running parallel to this case. These same lawyers cannot understand how once Winston was identified it was not amended to the original complaint. That is a problem according to them. And having this situation, how could Winston possibly know he was picked out for identification. Especially since the detective refused to interview Winston or take a blood sample. There is no reasonable connection to Winston finding out, so they say.

  58. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 12:20 PM

    gatorfan1 AKA Georgia Southern CSI – SVU

    Neither the results of the blood work or the alleged victim’s claim of not knowing Winston prior to the alleged incident have been confirmed by Meggs. Haven’t even been addressed by Meggs…you are so cavalier in your recollections…Go ahead and show me where any of your claims are “easily” verified by Meggs, PLEASE.

    The ONLY items that have been confirmed are:

    1. Alleged victim & Winston had intercourse

    2. Winston’s DNA tested positive

    Those items were leaked by the alleged victim’s attorney.

    All Meggs office has confirmed is their constantly changing timeline to wrap up the investigation. That they have and continue to interview witnesses. That they are waiting on evidence they currently do not have in their possession.

    Regarding the alleged victim’s being intoxicated or not is as follows. In her alleged initial report she claimed she had been drinking, was impaired. Then four months later her alleged blood work shows she was not intoxicated.

    Her, the alleged victim, claims evolve and change as often as Meggs timeline to complete the investigation.

    Lastly to address the State Attorney’s resources regarding the office having other cases being worked etc… There are more than enough resources to run multiple cases simultaneously, this IN MY OPINION is an excuse due to a lack of incriminating evidence to allow Winston to be charged at the moment. And again IN MY OPINION I think any new evidence, this late into the process can only exonerate Winston or incriminate the alleged victim.

  59. sillec28 says: Nov 27, 2013 12:29 PM

    If rape wasn’t such a serious offense the wild stories FSU fans are making up to exonerate Winston would be amusing. At this point we have no evidence other than the two affidavits from football players which, we assume without knowing, support Winston’s claim. OTOH, we have the DNA tests, we have her complaint, we have her trip to the hospital immediately after the incident and subjecting herself to “rape kit” testing that tend to support her claim.

    Not that any of those things are conclusive but they’re at least something in the way of objective evidence that supports her claim as opposed to nothing except a couple affidavits from fellow football players to support Winston’s. Maybe he’s guilty, maybe he isn’t. But the fact that so many FSU fans are inventing these wild tales about her dancing with him, girl friends from out of town making her mad, etc. is, as I said, almost amusing.

  60. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 12:50 PM

    sillec28

    please show me where ANY newsgroup, website, cable / TV news service has reported that both affidavits are from football players.

    You & gatorfan1 AKA Georgia Southern CSI – SVU keep repeating this unsubstantiated claim.

  61. normtide says: Nov 27, 2013 1:42 PM

    I’m a little confused. Why would the DA want to cloud his Heisman chances? How much future does a 70 year old have to protect?

    Alleged rape has to be treated seriously. The investigation can’t be subject to a football timeline. Blame TPD for not turning this over to the state in a timely manner. This could have been avoided. Delaying sending this to the state had made this political. That’s where this case went wrong.

    Last, if he is innocent, her name should be released.

  62. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 1:47 PM

    normtide

    her name was released by TMZ; Erica Kinsman

  63. normtide says: Nov 27, 2013 2:05 PM

    Wow. But my point is, a false accuser should face the same punishment. At least her reputation. On Nov 27, 2013 12:47 PM, “CollegeFootballTalk” wrote:

    > becauseisaysothatswhy commented: “normtide her name was released by > TMZ; Erica Kinsman”

  64. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 2:25 PM

    normtide

    I couldn’t agree with you more

  65. gatorfan1 says: Nov 27, 2013 2:30 PM

    sillec28:

    Don’t worry about what becauseisaysothatswhy says.

    He posted a “supposed” picture of the victim and defendant together,without acknowledging it may be them. Later refuted by the accuser.

    He keeps saying the evidence is HER phone records and FB account. That they knew each other.

    He has never put any substantiated information on here. However, what he will do is when he sees something that doesn’t fit in with his theory, he then gets bent out of shape and prowls the internet looking “substantiation” all the while putting his own unsubstantiated out there. Can you say hypocrite or illiterate, not sure which, maybe both!!

  66. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Nov 27, 2013 2:54 PM

    gatorfan1 AKA Georgia Southern CSI – SVU

    …still no link to where you came up with both affidavits confirmed as football players…really I wasn’t expecting any…

    when your argument stalls, falters, fails, falls apart and you can’t seem to change the subject then attack the messenger as opposed to the message.

    you keep bringing up a picture I posted a link to well before it was debunked. all I did was pass along information that was posted all over the internet unlike you who makes sh*t up, gets called out for it, tries to change the subject when you can’t find any links to back up your BS then repeat cycle….and when you called me out for the picture not being her I took it on the chin. I’m man enough to admit when I am wrong, what’s your excuse?

    sounds like your just tense, bracing for the upcoming mounting of your Gators in the Swamp this Saturday…good times

  67. tmb333 says: Nov 27, 2013 3:20 PM

    The question everyone should be asking is would he already have been charged if he wasn’t a football player? If so, which is more probable than not, it shows he is getting favorable treatment.

    Everyone dining jw should think how they would react if it was their daughter. You should give this victim the sane consideration.

  68. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 27, 2013 3:22 PM

    Oh God, another one of THOSE ^^^

  69. realfootballfan says: Nov 27, 2013 9:11 PM

    tmb333,

    Or would the charges already be dropped if he wasn’t a football player, especially since Meggs goes pretty hard on them. He has a history that you could read up on to substantiate this if you care to look. In that case, what if he was your son?

  70. packergator says: Dec 1, 2013 11:05 PM

    After all, what better way to stick it to someone who hasn’t even been charged yet by ruining his chance at the Heisman Trophy?

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