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Should one-loss SEC champ jump unbeaten Buckeyes?

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It began quickly, perhaps even before the first fan’s foot hit the Jordan-Hare turf en route to celebrating yet another miraculous finish. “One-loss Auburn should get the nod ahead of undefeated Ohio State for a BCS title game slot because, well, S-E-C!!!  S-E-C!!!”

One-loss Missouri was soon added to the mix, with AU athletic director Jay Jacobs ever-so-swiftly going on the offensive by playing what amounts to the “do you know who I am?” card.

“An SEC team can’t get left out of the (championship game) with one loss,” Jacobs told USA Today in the afterglow of the Tigers’ upset win of top-ranked Alabama. “We just beat the No. 1 team in the nation, and a team ahead of us struggled today, I understand,” the AD said, referring to Ohio State’s one-point win over hated rival Michigan on the road.

“And a one-loss SEC team that wins in Atlanta — if it’s us or Missouri — you can’t get left out of the BCS after you beat the No. 1 team. We have a better argument because we beat the No. 1 team. … It’s already happened in 2004, and it would be a disservice to the nation if we got left out.”

On ESPN‘s SportsCenter Sunday morning, he called such an outcome “un-American.”

Just a couple of things before moving on.

One, Auburn was unbeaten when it got left out in 2004, so that’s an apples-to-carrots argument.  Two, I’ve scoured the BCS rulebook and failed to find any stipulation which states a one-loss SEC champion is automatically guaranteed a spot in the title game.  And, three, it’s unclear if, as Jacobs was stating his case, there was a video monitor just over his shoulder showing a father having a catch with his son as the sun set on a freshly-plowed field, an American flag wafting in the background.

This, though, is what the whole of college football will be facing over the next six days: Ohio State, assuming it passes what will be a tough test against one-loss Michigan State in the Big Ten title game, of the plodding and downtrodden Big Ten vs. the SEC and its seven consecutive BCS titles.  The SEC office is already in full campaign mode.  So is a certain regional-radio-host-turned-ESPN-personality.

I’ve already made my opinion very clear on the matter.  Now it’s your turn to vent and vote your conscience/conference allegiance.  But, before we get to that, here are the respective résumés of Auburn, Missouri and Ohio State; I would’ve included Florida State but, when you’re waylaying opponents by an average score of 54-11, you’re recused from these proceedings based on a preponderance of the evidence that you’re hands down the best damn football team in the land.

Anyway, here’s a snapshot look at the résumés of each of the three teams, which includes this week’s conference championship opponents when applicable:

AU-Mizzou-OSU

Before getting to the poll, here are a few notes that didn’t fit neatly into the chart:

  • Florida State’s strength of schedule is ranked 85th by the NCAA and 66th by Sagarin.
  • Ohio State had Vanderbilt scheduled for a 2013 game before the Commodores backed out, with OSU replacing them with San Diego State.  Vandy is Sagarin’s 45th-ranked team, SDSU 96th.
  • Auburn’s lone loss was by 14 on the road to LSU.  Missouri’s lone loss was at home in double overtime against South Carolina.
  • Much like the SEC’s seven straight BCS titles, the fact that Ohio State has won 24 straight dating back to the beginning of the 2012 season is a non-factor.  This is about 2013 and 2013 alone.
  • Current conference championship lines, per Danny Sheridan: Ohio State -6 vs. Michigan State; Auburn -2.5 vs. Missouri; Florida State -29.5 vs. Duke.
  • As it constitutes one-third of the BCS rankings, the coaches’ poll released today was utilized for this endeavor.

Now, onto the our little poll…

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88 Responses to “Should one-loss SEC champ jump unbeaten Buckeyes?”
  1. packergator says: Dec 1, 2013 2:34 PM

    I can only say “Push” between Auburn and Missouri. They are neck-and-neck in the polls/BCS, but I would take a one-loss SEC champ over unbeaten OSU. Sorry, one conference winning SEVEN straight national titles DOES matter – if the matchup is about getting the best two teams on the field.

  2. thefiesty1 says: Dec 1, 2013 2:37 PM

    Absolutely! OSU hasn’t played anybody. It’s easy to go undefeated when you play the Little Sisters of the Poor (Big 10) and sprinkle in a Ball State, Toledo or Miami of Ohio. And they just lucked out against Michigan. Beating Indiana and Purdue, that’s a tough job. It’s all moot anyway when they lose to Michigan State in their BIG Championship game.

  3. lbijake says: Dec 1, 2013 2:39 PM

    I would do it just to limit the arrogance of the fans who insist on putting the effeminate “t” in their name. Similar to athletes who talk about themselves in the third person.

  4. jimbo75025 says: Dec 1, 2013 2:47 PM

    As an admitted SEC homer, I will only say-difficult question.

    If I was a fan of tOSU, I would be worried. Another stinker (which could very well happen against FSU) and their hopes for getting another chance will be gone for a long time as they will officially be the Buffalo Bills of NCAA FB.

    Personally, I do love the chaos though so it would do my heart good to see both FSU and tOSU lose next week just for my own jollies. Talk about a mess and PR campaign by multiple schools that would rival any Presidential campaign, hoo boy.

  5. floridascuba1 says: Dec 1, 2013 2:52 PM

    Sec is a shame. They talk about 7 NC. But Bama shouldn’t have even played in one of them. Talk SofS. LSU ranked as high is another shame. They squeaked by inferior teams. FSU blew away an SEC power house in UF. If you use their record to defend your point your making my stronger.

  6. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 2:55 PM

    Any random SEC fan argument a couple years back when it was between Alabama and Oklahoma State getting into the title game…”If Oklahoma State wanted to play for the title they should not have lost to Iowa State.” Fascinated to 2013 If Missouri wanted to play for the national title they should have beaten South Carolina or if Auburn wanted it they should not have lost by 2 TDs to LSU. Sorry but that argument works both ways and it is not one that I created, that is an SEC created argument.

  7. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:01 PM

    thefiestyone:

    “And they just lucked out against Michigan.” I am sorry but that is the worst argument you could have used there to make your point. Did you see the way Auburn won its last two games? The epitome of lucking out.

  8. mountaindont says: Dec 1, 2013 3:05 PM

    You can’t fault OSU for being ranked #2 in almost all the preseason polls. They took that ranking and won every game on their schedule. Why did the voters/coaches rank them so high in the first place? They knew the OSU schedule and the weaknesses of the Big 10. It’s not like this was a surprise. Based on past polls and formulas OSU deserves to be where they are.

  9. jetnotjets says: Dec 1, 2013 3:13 PM

    @FSU01

    You can’t seriously compare a 6-4 Iowa State team from 2011 who had a losing record in their own conference (3-4) to a 7th ranked South Carolina team who was a Missouri loss away from playing in their conference title game and an LSU team who lost to Alabama and 2 other SEC schools by only 3 points. It sounds to me like you’re just tired of hearing about how weak the ACC is year after year and how strong the SEC is year after year. The SEC Champion would be a better game for FSU. If Ohio State gets past MSU and the BCS computers to play in the title game, they will lose by a minimum of 17 to FSU. It won’t even be close, ala the Fighting Irish last year in the title game. Don’t be afraid of playing the SEC school. Just be thankful to be relevant again. -A Notre Dame fan

  10. bender4700 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:16 PM

    It’s not a question! The only stat that matters in this debate is 0 losses versus 1 loss.

    and I hate the Buckeyes.

    The SEC obsessed media will just have to deal with it.

  11. stevent92 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:18 PM

    In a word – NO. One-loss SEC does NOT leapfrog unbeaten Big Ten team. Nor should they leapfrog unbeaten ACC, Pac 12 or Big 12 either.

    In that case, let’s just have ALA, AUB, MIZZOU and SCAR all play round-robin for the BCS Championship. The other conferences can just stay home & watch.

  12. bender4700 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:18 PM

    Fiesty1′s post proves how stupid this debate is.

    OSU barely wins a game called the biggest rivalry in college sports, and Auburn wins because the Bama kicker wasn’t able to get it down field a couple yards and the Bama special teams screwed up.

    Seriously. How stupid.

    You can’t change logics mid argument. What a moron.

  13. bender4700 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:20 PM

    Seriously. the Auburn win is as lucky as any team has EVER gotten.

    Yes, let’s punish Ohio State for winning all their games, which Auburn can’t say.

    So stupid.

    Unbelievably stupid.

    The media just can’t get out of it’s own way.

  14. bender4700 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:21 PM

    Fiesty: “And they just lucked out against Michigan.”

    You are the dumbest person to ever post in a CFT with that statement.

    Seriously, how are you THAT STUPID!?

  15. imaduffer says: Dec 1, 2013 3:22 PM

    No way. But,if the SEC would stop playing cupcake game towards the end of the season so as to not lose ground in the polls I would maybe think about it. OK, I thought about it. No way.

  16. DonKellyBaby says: Dec 1, 2013 3:24 PM

    I live in Michigan and I am forced to watch that horrible team every week. OSU is a very overrated football team and isn’t deserving of a national championship bid. They played 2 ranked teams all season, both of which would be destroyed by mediocre SEC schools.

    Auburn should jump OSU after their most recent win.

  17. drummerhoff says: Dec 1, 2013 3:24 PM

    No one in the country could go undefeated in the PAC 12, Big 12 or SEC. It’s only possible to go undefeated in the weaker conference like the ACC and B1G. The purpose of the BCS is to match the 2 best teams. Not the last 2 without a loss… Just the two best teams in the country. That’s how I would vote, but if the voters decided otherwise than that’s what we gets. Period. End of story.

  18. wabbitslayer says: Dec 1, 2013 3:27 PM

    I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate OSU and it’s coach even more. However, SEC agreed to be in the BCS. If there are two undefeated conference champs they should face each other…and this year instead of SEC v. whoever it will probably be ACC v. Big Ten.

    You want a SEC team in the NC game?
    Root for the Spartans!

  19. iangas33 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:30 PM

    OSU has not played anyone the past two years. That’s all there is to it. If northern Illinois can go 12-0 it’s not surprising that the poisonous nuts are undefeated. The big 10 and PAC 12 will suffer tremendously under a playoff series. Looking forward to not seeing this crap program at the top in the future

  20. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:32 PM

    jetonjets,

    comparing the argument not the teams. I agree there is a difference in quality, though not much see LSU’s record (and that was not an overtime loss that was a 2 TD loss). Point is SEC fan said if they wanted it they should not have lost. Ohio State did not lose (at least not yet) therefore the same argument holds water.

  21. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:34 PM

    And by the way I am not afraid of playing the SEC team. Could care less. Honestly would love to see FSU win a title, but regardless of who they play (assuming a win over Duke) win or lose the sun comes up the next day. I have learned a long long time ago not stake my whole happiness on a group of 18-22 year old kids that I have never met.

  22. auburntigers34 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:35 PM

    you left off “four, Ohio State sucks and their schedule is a joke.”

  23. DonKellyBaby says: Dec 1, 2013 3:36 PM

    Duke and MSU are both going to win.

    Bama vs Mizzu

  24. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:39 PM

    Let me rephrase that last sentence when you stake your happiness on 18-22 year old kids that will let you down because they are after all just kids regardless of what they are classified as in the legal system.

  25. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 3:46 PM

    DonKellyBaby:

    Would be interesting to see Duke in a BCS game would probably make for a low rating Orange Bowl: Duke vs. Central Florida.

  26. derekgorgonstar says: Dec 1, 2013 3:51 PM

    Remember when you argued you should be in the title game, Urban Meyer? Because you played in the SEC?

    Hell, you whined like a little bitch about that….

  27. footballace says: Dec 1, 2013 4:02 PM

    If the top 25 teams played Ohio States schedule, I bet half would go undefeated.

  28. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 4:02 PM

    Arguments are always made about conferences since your out of division opponents are on a rotation lets look at division strength:

    FSU’s Division ACC Atlantic: 0.583 winning percentage

    Ohio State’s Division Big 10 Leaders: .633 winning percentage

    Auburn’s Division SEC West: .654 winning percentage

    Missouri’s Division SEC East: .571 winning percentage.

    Now I do not know how you would interpret that or even if it is relevant or not but I just wanted to throw that out there for the sake of discussion.

  29. goodellsadouche says: Dec 1, 2013 4:08 PM

    Florida St is missing one crucial bit of evidence. The rape kit that will soon be used to charge their QB with RAPE.

  30. goodellsadouche says: Dec 1, 2013 4:09 PM

    No means no Jameison!!! Or if she’s to inebriated to say no, I guess that doesn’t count in Tallahassee.

  31. sportsfan18 says: Dec 1, 2013 4:13 PM

    Folks, please think about this.

    Let’s say Mizzou wins the SEC conf championship game.

    Let’s also say they had joined the Big Ten two yrs ago instead of the SEC.

    Many thought Texas A&M and Mizzou would struggle upon entering the mighty SEC.

    If Mizzou was 11 & 1 right now in the Big Ten, all the SEC homers would be saying they haven’t played anyone!

    They’d say if they were in the SEC they’d be lucky to be 8 & 4.

    Well guess what folks? A team from another conference CAN come into the mighty SEC and do very well.

    Very few would have thought Mizzou would do this well in yr #2 in the SEC.

    Due to this, who is to say what Ohio States record would be if they played in the SEC?

    Ohio State deserves to play FSU if they get past Michigan St.

  32. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 4:16 PM

    Sorry about the last post: since FSU, Ohio State, Auburn, and Missouri do not play themselves I will had to refigure those conference standings without their respective records.

    ACC Atlantic: 0.514
    SEC West: 0.614
    SEC East: 0.514
    Big 10 Leaders: 0.433

  33. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 4:17 PM

    I had not will had (my southern is showing).

  34. txstatebobcats1868 says: Dec 1, 2013 4:21 PM

    Texas State should be in the championship game

  35. normtide says: Dec 1, 2013 4:23 PM

    Let’s see how next week plays out. It could be as crazy as an iron bowl rematch. Not likely, but clearly possible. If you want to unconditionally win the title, you need to beat the SEC champ.

  36. guinsrule says: Dec 1, 2013 4:28 PM

    If you’re going to ignore the records and you simply must have an SEC team even with a loss, then the answer is simple-it should be Alabama. If you go by who you “think” is the best team and the team that would be favored against each of the other top 3 teams, including Auburn, then it should be Bama in the BCS championship game. Would you bet against them if your money was on the line?

  37. kcrobert10 says: Dec 1, 2013 4:29 PM

    I’m just going to keep repeating it national championship should come cause u beat the best. Sec is hands down the best conference. The winner of that championship should get a nc shot. I won’t argue anymore. Lets see how next week pans out. If were to stand today I would advocate that fsu and Ohio st play home games in 2 weeks against Alabama and the winner of the sec championship. Prove uguys are the best but my guess is u wouldn’t want to chance the fact that 2 sec schools might come to ur house and beat u badly.

  38. villain612 says: Dec 1, 2013 4:34 PM

    Ohio State squeaks out a road win against a 7-4 Michigan team which happens to be one of the most intense rivalries in all of sports and everyone is unimpressed.

    Auburn squeaks out a home win against a 6-4 Georgia team on a 4th and 18 hail mary pass that won’t ever be replicated, and all of a sudden their America’s team.

    Unbelievable.

  39. fsu01 says: Dec 1, 2013 4:35 PM

    normtide, using that logic the national title game should be South Carolina vs. LSU since those two teams have beaten Missouri and Auburn respectively and neither South Carolina nor LSU are even in the argument.

  40. normtide says: Dec 1, 2013 4:38 PM

    I’m using the rankings. If auburn, duke, and msu win next week. Do the math. On Dec 1, 2013 3:35 PM, “CollegeFootballTalk” wrote:

    > fsu01 commented: “normtide, using that logic the national title game > should be South Carolina vs. LSU since those two teams have beaten Missouri > and Auburn respectively and neither South Carolina nor LSU are even in the > argument.”

  41. pricecube says: Dec 1, 2013 4:43 PM

    Ohio State President Gordon Gee on undefeated TCU and Boise State circa November 2010:

    “We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor. We play very fine schools on any given day. So I think until a university runs through that gantlet that there’s some reason to believe that they may not be the best teams to [be] in the big ballgame.”

    The problem is in 2013 OSU did play the “Little Sisters of the Poor”. The B1G is a total joke this year. Karma.

  42. lamontjoe says: Dec 1, 2013 4:43 PM

    1st let me say, I hate Ohio St., but I’m a fair man and if they hav’nt lost, then a 1 lose SEC team should not be able to jump them. I’m glad this is the last year of this BS BCS, and will welcome a 4 team playoff.

  43. cometkazie says: Dec 1, 2013 4:48 PM

    The BCS gurus have been trying to come up with an objective way to select the teams playing for the championship and it doesn’t work because it isn’t subjective.

    Crunch the numbers and come up with two teams.

    Let the crybabies cry.

  44. clonefan says: Dec 1, 2013 4:49 PM

    How do peoples opinions change if we correct the data a little? Auburn only beat 8 bowl eligible teams. OSU beat 6. Do peoples opinions change more if you reword it to how many teams did OSU and Auburn beat with winning records? OSU – 6 Auburn – 5

  45. remyje says: Dec 1, 2013 4:52 PM

    I kind of want to see Boise St….I mean Ohio State play Florida State so they can get embarrassed….

  46. villain612 says: Dec 1, 2013 5:00 PM

    If we’re going to grill Ohio State’s margin of victory, even though they haven’t lost, let’s look at Auburn.

    Lost to a 3-loss LSU team by 2 touchdowns.
    Beat Ole Miss by 8.
    Beat Mississippi State by 4.

    And while I congratulate them for winning that Georgia game, we all know that hail mary fluke was incredible luck.

    Ohio State has blown out plenty of teams this year. Not as many as Florida State, but they still have. They’ve also not lost at all. Even for a few close games, they get a little leeway because of this all so important fact.

    If you want to criticize Ohio State’s close games, then fine. Trust me, I have my own criticisms of the consistency of the defense. But don’t do that, and then give Auburn a free pass for all theirs.

  47. lbijake says: Dec 1, 2013 5:15 PM

    villain612 says:
    Dec 1, 2013 5:00 PM

    If we’re going to grill Ohio State’s margin of victory, even though they haven’t lost, let’s look at

    ———————————————————
    Villain, you make a very cogent argument. I was on the fence before but, pending the championship games, Auburn should be selected to the BCS game. Good luck.

  48. dkhhuey says: Dec 1, 2013 5:18 PM

    F@#$ No!!! A 12 – 0 from one of the big boy conferences beats 11 – 1 every single time!!!

  49. halbert53 says: Dec 1, 2013 5:23 PM

    None of the top 4 this year is as good as Bama was last year. They all have flaws. FSU and OSU went undefeated against weaker schedules. (So far) Auburn and Missouri each have one loss (So far) but have played a tougher schedule.

    The ND fiasco last year ought to show the folly of putting a team in the NC just because they are undefeated.

    Early season rankings don’t mean squat because we really don’t know at that point how good teams are. Late season rankings, if made based on the body of work that consider revised strength of schedule , are far more reliable.

    Margin of victory as a stat doesn’t impress me. Points scored and points allowed provide more insight.

    FSU beat a good Clemson team that beat a good and healthy Georgia team. How good they are is uncertain but have earned a NC game berth.

    OSU can’t control the quality of its conference schedule. But if OSU is deserving of a NC game berth , the fact they allowed average teams like Illinois and Michigan to score 30-40 points show this years team is nowhere near as good as some of the great Buckeye teams in the 60s.

    Of the top 4 teams, Auburn is the only one that has proven on the field that it can play with a #1 ranked team. Yes they won a game with a deflected pass to defeat Georgia and the FG run back against Bama allowed them to win in regulation what they would have won in OT.

    So while OSU won a rivalry game against an unranked opponent by intercepting a 2-point conversion, Auburn won its rivalry game against the nation’s top-ranked team.

    For OSU to win its conference it has to defeat a Top 10 team. Auburn would have to defeat its second Top 5 opponent in two weeks. There’s a good chance at least one will stumble.

    A #2 ranked team deserving of that ranking should be able to handle a #10 team better than a # 3 team handles a #5 team. There is a sizable gap between #5 and #10, so the. # 10 team should be easier to defeat.

    Bottom line to me is that the burden of proof is on OSU to win more impressively than Auburn in their respective conference championship game.

  50. mountaindont says: Dec 1, 2013 5:26 PM

    Since Ohio State “didn’t beat anybody” last year or this year why were they the consensus #2 team in the country in all the preseason polling? Those experts/coaches knew the OSU schedule prior to the season yet they ranked them #2. OSU is right where the experts predicted they would be.

  51. watchfullhose says: Dec 1, 2013 5:50 PM

    I don’t look at Auburn’s schedule and see a gauntlet that would justify them jumping FSU or OSU.

    Arkansas State, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Western Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Arkansas & Tennessee are garbage. Alabama, Texas A&M and to a lesser degree Georgia are decent wins, but it’s not like they played the New England Patriots and the Denver Broncos week in and week out.

    In my opinion, a case can’t be made for Auburn to play in the national championship game ahead of an undefeated Ohio State or Florida State.

  52. luxinterior78 says: Dec 1, 2013 6:17 PM

    One thing you left out of your notes:

    Virginia Tech backed out of their game against FSU, leaving them with Idaho to fill the void. This was when VT thought they were going to do something this year. The way it worked out wouldnt change strength of schedule very much, but it is still worth noting.

  53. auburntigers34 says: Dec 1, 2013 6:21 PM

    how could VT back out of a conference game? that doesn’t make any sense.

  54. Deb says: Dec 1, 2013 6:33 PM

    Do I think OSU played a strong enough schedule to be ranked #2? No.

    Do I think this is the week someone should suddenly realize OSU hasn’t played a strong enough schedule to be ranked #2? No.

    Their schedule should have counted against them long before now. Since it didn’t–they should sit where they are pending the outcome of this weekend’s games. Unless something happens that warrants dropping them, they go to the title game … much as I’d rather an SEC team would go instead.

  55. auburntigers34 says: Dec 1, 2013 7:46 PM

    calling the Big 10(or 11 or 12 or whatever they are calling themselves these days) a “big boy conference is one of the funniest comments i’ve ever seen on this site.

    half of the conference is made up of the cupcake quality teams that Big 10 fans complain about the SEC teams scheduling as OOC games.

    Ohio State and MSU are strong teams, Wisconsin is pretty good, and the rest of the league is mediocre to weak.

    The SEC’s top 3 teams are a combined 33-3, then you have South Carolina at 10-2, LSU at 9-3, and UGA, Vandy, and Texas A&M at 8-4.

    the two conferences aren’t even in the same universe. but go ahead, Big 10 homers….bring on the thumbs down for posting facts.

  56. onbucky96 says: Dec 1, 2013 7:58 PM

    Hmm. With ESPN “helping” with the launch of the SEC network, I wonder which way the World Wide Leader will slant their commentary this week. Oh yeah, Jesse Palmer can take off his SEC cheerleader skirt anytime now.

  57. packhawk04 says: Dec 1, 2013 8:55 PM

    When i got home from work on saturday and saw the ohio st. Michigan score, my first thought was “they beat michigan by 1, and they want to play for the national title??? Hahahahahahahahaha”

  58. BrownsTown says: Dec 1, 2013 11:03 PM

    I hate to see grown men cry, so it’s hard to watch these SEC fans sobbing so much over the past 24 hours.

  59. mediocrebob says: Dec 1, 2013 11:39 PM

    Yes. OSU played nobody. The undefeated argument only works when you’ve proven yourself. Wisconsin is the best win of the year? Hmmm. And if you want to stick to your guns about the undefeated argument, why wasn’t the NCG last year northern Illinois against notre dame?

  60. gravedigger93 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:48 PM

    Any football fan with an objective opinion will agree that it is much harder to go undefeated in the SEC or even the PAC 12 than it is in the B1G. It just is. You have better quality talent top to bottom and more of it. You may not play a team with the best record every week, but you’re playing teams with players that are big, strong, and fast every week. That takes a physical toll that makes it hard to stay on top of your game every week. There are a couple teams in the B1G that are big, some are strong, and some are fast, but no one is all 3. That’s not to say B1G teams aren’t good, OSU has talented players and plays hard, but they have proven nothing. Their best win is against a Wisconsin team that just got beat by Penn State, that’s not something to brag about. And before people say Auburn got “lucky”, keep in mind that the reason all it took was a last second score to beat Bama is because they were stride for stride with a team everyone unanimously agreed was THE dominant team in the NCAA. Does OSU have anything like that on their resume? Do they have a single win anyone can point to as a signature win? Does FSU for that matter? I suppose Clemson maybe, but they just got beat by the 4th best team in the SEC. FSU beat up a Florida team decimated by injuries, on their 3rd string QB with their elite talent on D mostly gone. That’s a win over a big name school, an SEC school, but not a quality win. The Miami blow out seems to have lost it’s luster after Miami’s tumble.

    People forget that this game is about pairing the two best teams in the NCAA against each other. Take the conferences out of it and look at each team individually. Everyone was sure that Notre Dame was the best team in the country last year and their schedule, which was similar to OSU’s 2013 schedule, prepared them for a 1 loss SEC school. OSU has done less than 2012 Notre Dame to prove they belong with the big dogs. Auburn has a signature win, they have run the gauntlet of the SEC and survived with only 1 loss. They have proven themselves worthy.

  61. railcarcowboy says: Dec 2, 2013 12:27 AM

    Yes! Duh…

  62. donchacho says: Dec 2, 2013 2:07 AM

    Great post gravedigger. Love of ones school makes people blind, I’m a Stanford fan but even I know the SEC is the best conference. The quality of their games is just higher. It’s like aaa baseball vs. a ball(Ohio st. Nd last year) anyone watching objectively can see it, osu don’t belong in the top ten they’re as good as n.ill . The winner of the sec game deserves to play in the bcs champ. game. Osu is going to be embarrassed in whatever bowl game they play in, then hopefully ppl will see being undefeated in the amateur leagues doesn’t mean nada.

  63. detroitpride says: Dec 2, 2013 2:59 AM

    As a Michigan State fan, nothing would make me happier than to see OSU get screwed out of a championship game but undefeated is undefeated. Let those arrogant cheaters get destroyed if they can get past our defense

  64. Deb says: Dec 2, 2013 3:08 AM

    The last few posts suggest the really intelligent, objective commenters only come out to play in the wee hours. Maybe they’re vampires.

  65. waynefontes says: Dec 2, 2013 6:25 AM

    As much as it pains me to say this, I don’t think Auburn or Missouri should jump over Ohio State if the Buckeyes beat Michigan State.

    An undefeated team from a major conference should almost never be overlooked for a team with one loss. Maybe if it was a case where the one loss was by a FG or less and they destroyed everyone else on their schedule.

    Auburn lost by 14 to an LSU team that really isn’t that good this year. They were extremely lucky to beat an average (by that point in the year) Georgia team. I wouldn’t say they were lucky to beat Bama. However, if Saban had chosen to kick a 30 yard FG in the 4th quarter there is no miracle at the end of the game.

    If Missouri hadn’t choked against South Carolina, I think they should get the nod over OSU. But they didn’t, and to be honest their schedule isn’t that great either. Who have they beaten, besides Texas A&M? The same Texas A&M that lost all four games they played against ranked teams.

    The SEC is the best conference in football, and the Big Ten has been regressing lately. But Ohio State beat everyone they played, most (not all) of the games were decisive. Auburn lost to an ok LSU team by two touchdowns. Missouri lost, and they will kick themselves forever for how that game ended.

    I don’t think Auburn or Missouri this year have proven to be that much better than Ohio State. If they are even better at all.

    As an SEC homer (my family and I are alumni of three SEC schools) and someone who despises Ohio State, Urban Meyer and some (not all) of their fanbase.. this pains me to say that they should get the nod.

    But I think that they deserve the title shot.

    Now I have to find some liquor to make me forget I ever wrote something favoring the Buckeyes over an SEC team….

  66. floridacock says: Dec 2, 2013 8:15 AM

    Too early for this question. The winner of the SEC championship, a top 5 matchup, and Auburn is FAR from a given, should jump OSU, which has it’s first tough opponent of the year in MSU. OSU losing would make things so much easier and much less controversial. Then again, the talking heads have to have something to talk about.

  67. columbusfacegames says: Dec 2, 2013 8:27 AM

    Yep, let’s watch the championship game. Something to consider SEC folks, a middling Big 12 team is playing in the SEC championship game in its second season with the SEC. Perhaps you should be wondering how that is possible in the best conference in the nation.

  68. skinsfolife says: Dec 2, 2013 10:10 AM

    It shouldn’t even be a conversation. OSU should have gotten the death penalty. The NCAA is one of the most corrupt organizations on earth. MD basketball got the death penalty for a ride to class. Meanwhile OSU gets services for memorabilia, their coach is fully aware of it, tries to cover it up, and the NCAA does next to nothing. OSU is the worst example of punishment not fitting the crime.

  69. dryzzt23 says: Dec 2, 2013 10:30 AM

    Screw the SEC. I’m so tired of SEC this and SEC that.
    Auburn has played crap teams like Arkansas St, Ole Miss, Miss St, W. Carolina, FAU, and Arkansas. Auburn, like Alabama, are extremely overrated.

  70. halbert53 says: Dec 2, 2013 10:34 AM

    How do you qualify for an NC game? Easy. Give up 30+ points in four games, 20+ points in 7 of 12 games.

    Cal (1-11, 0-9) scored 34.
    Northwestern (5-7, 1-7) scored 30.
    Illinois (4-8, 1-7) scored 35.
    UM (7-5, 3-5) scored 41.

    Four teams. (3 in Big 10) with a total of 5 conference wins score 140 points against OSU.

    None of the 4 in end of season Top 20, and only 1 with a winning record.

    Woody Hays would roll over in his grave.

  71. 12is3times4 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:51 AM

    Auburn needed once-in-a-blue-moon miracle plays to win two of their games. Otherwise they’re not in the BCS picture at all. Certainly I can see voters deciding Auburn just got too lucky too many times to put them above OSU or FSU if all three teams win their conferences.

  72. ohioguy614 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:02 PM

    The arrogance of the SEC fans is astounding. Win ALL of the games put in front of you, then you won’t be crying about how you might be left out. The NC game is not a birthright of the SEC. You still need to earn it by wins and losses. That’s how it’s calculated.

  73. brutusbuckeye2011 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:48 PM

    It strikes me as odd that many of the same people who feel tOSU should get no credit for 24 straight wins thought Alabama should get the nod at being number 1 (before Saturday) because of their previous championships. Saying tOSU would be mediocre in the SEC or ACC is ridiculous. You may remember that TA&M and Mizzou were predicted to be bottom dwellers when they moved to the SEC. In addition, Nebraska was predicted to dominate the B1G when they moved from the Big 12. TA&M and Missouri have done very well. Nebraska has not come close to dominating the B1G. As far as SOS goes, the rankings show that Florida’s is weaker than tOSU and Alabama’s is only average.

  74. gamustangdude says: Dec 2, 2013 1:08 PM

    As much as I hate the B1G and Ohio state Fans, look they’ve gone undefeated in two regular seasons. SoS is an argument that only goes so far. Ohio State and FSU have won and done everything asked of them, Auburn and Mizzou have not. Regardless of SoS, FSU and Ohio State has done what we college football fans have asked any football program to do, win the games on your schedule. So no, as bad as I would want to see another year of a SEC team winning the BCS title, SEC teams didn’t win the games that matter. Ohio state and FSU, if they win out, deserve it more.

  75. halbert53 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:11 PM

    Dear Rent-A-Center,

    We need to reserve two basketball scoreboards for the NC game in Pasadena so the number of points we score against OSU can be properly displayed.

    Northern Illinois University

    Dear NIU,
    Sorry but the two basketball scoreboards you requested are unavailable. MSU had already made a reservation to use them in Indianapolis this weekend.

    Rent-A-Center

  76. gravedigger93 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:14 PM

    It’s not a question of would OSU succeed in the SEC, of course they would succeed after a year or two. People act like Mizzou came in right away and dominated, they sucked last year. They got whipped good by some teams. They learned what they were in for though, they used that SEC brand to attract some talented players, and they caught the SEC East in a badly down year. Would OSU walk into the SEC and dominate like that immediately? Probably not. Give them a full recruiting season to use that SEC brand combined with their already attractive brand and yeah they would do well by year 2. Same would go for Florida St., North Carolina, Clemson, etc. Once you start getting SEC caliber players then yeah you can compete in the SEC.

    Texas A&M already had good players because Texas is a hotbed for talent. And Kevin Sumlin is a dang good coach. If they had stayed in the Big 12 I think they would have been dominant.

    It’s not about can you beat an SEC team one on one, it’s can you survive the gauntlet of SEC teams. If you think that the B1G gauntlet or even the Big 12 gauntlet is the same, you’re not looking at the issue objectively. Facing teams with speed and power week after week after week is so hard. Nothing like that exists in the rest of college football. Getting through the SEC gauntlet with only 1 loss is an accomplishment. Getting through the B1G with no losses is still an accomplishment, but it’s not the same.

  77. wareaglefan says: Dec 2, 2013 1:58 PM

    Auburn has played 5 ranked teams to date: They were at the time ranked: 1 (Alabama), 6 (L.S.U.), 7 (Texas A&M), 24 (Ole Miss), 25 (Georgia). Despite your reasoning for why these teams suck, the fact is, Auburn played 5 top 25 ranked teams, 3 in the top 10.

    Ohio State has played 2 teams ranked at the time they played them. They were at the time ranked 23 (Wisconsin), 16 (Northwestern).

    So yes, OSU did blow out teams more often than Auburn, yes they are undefeated, but no, they did not play more difficult or even the same difficulty of teams that Auburn did.

    When you want to hate on the SEC for their dominance, look at the facts with unbiased eyes and brains, the SEC played harder teams this year, the B1G conference is just down. I would say the PAC 10/12/33 whatever they are now has a more difficult conference, the ACC has a more difficult conference, even the MAC/WAC/Sun Belt have more difficult conferences that B1G. Maybe in a few years this will not be the case, but for this year yes, a 1 loss SEC team is still better than OSU.

  78. normtide says: Dec 2, 2013 2:06 PM

    You have to be judged by your opponents. NIU is undefeated. That doesn’t make them great. ND was a great example of over value because of lack of defeat.

    Let next week play out.

  79. ronarch13 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:17 PM

    Let’s see who could be driving this? ESPN signed a deal with the ??? SEC! Hell, yeah they want ANY team from that conference there, they help themselves.
    To those that seem to have no mind at all, OSU doesn’t have Jimmy Tressel couching a just enough to get buy team. This is a different coach, a different idea on scoring (you know like it is a good thing)…… Judging them on past National championships is well lets do that to Auburn and Mizzou – Auburn last year was 0-8 in the SEC and Mizzou wasn’t far behind that.
    Unfair? Ok. How about the loss to a three loss team? or barely beating 8-4 powerhouse Georgia? I know how about how they manhandled the (6-6) Mississippi St team by 4…..

    The SEC has the tie breaker, when there are three teams UNBEATEN they get the benefit of the doubt, which would hold true if there was an unbeaten SEC school. Since not, they don’t just trump other leagues unless the other leagues can lower their eligibility and gets as many scholarships.

  80. Deb says: Dec 2, 2013 11:30 PM

    columbusfacegames says:

    Yep, let’s watch the championship game. Something to consider SEC folks, a middling Big 12 team is playing in the SEC championship game in its second season with the SEC. Perhaps you should be wondering how that is possible in the best conference in the nation.
    ———————————————
    Honey, yesterday is dead and gone. The only thing I see is an upcoming contest between two great SEC teams. And if Michigan State defeats Ohio State to send one of those two teams to the BCS Championship, I won’t care whether it’s my Tide’s arch rival Auburn or my alma mater Mizzou–I’ll be rooting for another SEC title.

  81. jentitanfan says: Dec 3, 2013 9:07 AM

    The fact that Missouri can go to the SEC championship in their 2nd year in the SEC after being a middle of the road team in the Big 12 for so many years is solid evidence that the mighty SEC may not be as dominant as people think. I guess the Tigers are just lucky they don’t have to play Nebraska or Kansas State, now they can reach a Championship game……

  82. shadeforourbattle says: Dec 3, 2013 10:58 AM

    I have a question for all of you fans who argue the silly undefeated mantra (I know you want to play in the BCS Championship game really, really bad). How many Super Bowl Champions are there and how many of them were undefeated? Crickets. I remember the NFL before the salary cap when the 49er’s and Bears played in a joke conference and the Cowboys, Giants and Redskins played in the best conference, and everybody with any football IQ higher than Forest Gump’s real IQ knew that when these teams met in the NFC Championship game that that was the Superbowl. We all knew that the AFC was a joke. When San Fran blew out the Dolphins in ’85 are there any OSU or Big Ten fans intellectually honest enough to admit that the ’85 Bears would have destroyed the Dolphins just the same (Because all of us real lovers of the game know that to be true)? What about those horrible Bronco teams that were slaughtered by the Giants, Redskins and 49er’s. The three respective losers of the NFC Championship games those years would have destroyed the Broncos just the same (The Redskins and Giants took turns doing just that same thing) All of those blowout Super Bowls where the inferior AFC got annihilated by the superior NFC prove me true. The AFC was so bad that a 300 pound defensive tackle from Chicago scored a touchdown in a Superbowl against the AFC pathetic Patriots. For right now, the SEC is the equivalent of the NFC dynasty at that time in the NFL. Don’t take my word for it. “With 63 draft picks, SEC produces a quarter of the NFL’s talent” http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/28/with-63-draft-picks-sec-produces-a-quarter-of-the-nfls-talent/ Be a fan of your team, but you have to be realistic, otherwise you just look silly and like a person who truly does not understand the game.

  83. gamustangdude says: Dec 3, 2013 3:11 PM

    @jentitanfan

    Comments like yours just show how truly ignorant most commentors are regarding college football. You’re assuming that Mizzou has the EXACT smae players and systems in place they did while they were in the big 12. However you still forget in both 2007 and 2008 Mizzou was the north rep for theBig 12 championship game, so it’s not like a team like Iowa comming in and wrecking shit, Mizzou was a pretty decent team. Be honest the Big-12 has been overrated for years, the Cotton bowl and losses both Kansas State and Ok State proved that over the recent years. Kansas State got Murdered by Baylor and Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl while Ok State losses to Iowa State. Yeah Mizzou looks good compared to an injury depleted UGA team and a horrible Florida team. So the East is down, Mizzou was able to capitalize, just like they were able to do twice in the Big 12. So don’t sit here and like Mizzou is new to success, most of the time they were a middle pack Big-12 team. With the SEC name, they get better recruits, more money, and have to live to a higher standard, so I would hope they would do better here than in the Big-12, the stakes are higher in the SEC.

  84. jentitanfan says: Dec 3, 2013 4:06 PM

    Ignorant is thinking that a year of new “SEC” recruits made missouri so much better, their class ranking actually went down after joining SEC, interesting, huh?! Missou had the 21st ranked recruiting class in 2010. Sure Missouri had some success in the Big 12, but when they left for the SEC no one gave them a chance to win enough games to make a bowl game let alone make the champ game. I just find it interesting how SEC fans continue to spin it to make their conference so mighty when in reality a sub par team from another conference can walk in and take the crown in YEAR TWO! Amazing really.

    But, i am in total agreement, the SEC is down. Exactly why a one loss SEC team should not leapfrog an undefeated B1G team.

  85. gamustangdude says: Dec 3, 2013 8:11 PM

    Whatever, it doesn’t matter, you seriously want to believe that Mizzou is still that same team that payed in the big 12 go ahead, whatever helps you sleep at night. College football fans with common sense know better.

    They went 2-6 last year in the SEC THEY DID NOT MAKE A BOWL GAME. This year they were able to capitalize on a UGA team that was riddled with injuries, they were able to beat a 4-8 Florida team (shocker) They Lost to South Carolina, it’s not like they’ve come in and beat the best the SEC has to offer hell, they didn’t play LSU, Alabama, AU at all this year.

    Congrats for Mizzou I’d give them their props even though I believe they won’t find similar success next year.

    The SEC is not down this year, I said the SEC East was. But let’s say the SEC is down, what does that say for the Big 12 then? If the SEC is down then the Big 12 must be ready to quit football altogether.

    SEC is “horrible” because Mizzou won the East? That’s your stance? What’s your excuse for Baylor’s success in the Big-12? aren’t they considered, as you would say, a middle of the pack Big -12 team? What’s that say about the Big-12 now that Baylor is 11-1 in the Big 12? If OSU losses to OU, and middle tiered Big -12 team will win the Big-12.

    I’ll tell you what, you can rag on the SEC once the Big 12 wins the Cotton Bowl, the last five years haven’t been that great. The last Big-12 team to beat a SEC team in the cotton Bowl? The spawn of your hate….Mizzou.

    Good night guy, I’m done with you.

  86. pinchegringo12 says: Dec 4, 2013 12:34 AM

    Yes, would make for an interesting BCS game

  87. 10kmp says: Dec 6, 2013 8:29 AM

    @wareaglefan says:
    I would say the PAC 10/12/33 whatever they are now has a more difficult conference, the ACC has a more difficult conference, even the MAC/WAC/Sun Belt have more difficult conferences that B1G.

    My goodness, why do you even comment on college football sites? You actually say “look at the facts with unbiased eyes and brains” and then in the same breath say that the MAC, MWC, Sunbelt and ACC are better than the B1G. Good lord, like many in SEC country you’ve logged way too many hours standing next to your still making moonshine. What a dope…

  88. v2the4 says: Dec 6, 2013 11:46 AM

    here is food for thought for this weekend

    we will go ahead and put Florida St in the title game. Duke will give them their best shot, but FSU has way too many athletes at various positions to lose to the dukies.

    Michigan St beat Ohio St in the B1G title game, knocking the Buckeyes “down” to the grand daddy of em all, the rose bowl, to play Stanford/Arizona St.

    Missouri beats Auburn in the SEC title game. Mizzou was ranked 5th in the latest BCS poll behind FSU, tOSU, Bama and Auburn.

    if that scenario takes place, which one loss team goes to face FSU in the BCS title game? will it be Alabama, or Mizzou….or Oklahoma St, who will be in the top four with those teams.

    remember, Auburn AD Jay Jacobs said its “Un-American” for the SEC champ to be left out of the national title game, and I can bet if this scenario happens, the SEC will work the phones and contacts like a politician begging for your votes for the crimson tide, and dis their champ Missouri, a newcomer to the league, starting around 1030 on Saturday night….

    but, all bets are off if tOSU beats Sparty in Indy…then it will be buckeye vs nole in Pasadena on Jan 6.

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