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Jameis Winston not charged with sexual assault

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Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston will not be charged with sexual assault, state attorney Willie Meggs announced Thursday.

“We have a duty as prosecution to only file those charges if we have a reasonable likelihood of a conviction,” Meggs said Thursday. “After reviewing all the events we did not feel we could meet that burden.”

Meggs’ investigation concluded three weeks after reports surfaced that a woman told police she was raped by Winston last winter. A sexual encounter did occur, Meggs said, though he said his investigation didn’t find enough evidence to prove it was not consensual.

Winston’s DNA matched evidence from the day of the incident, though Winston’s Tallahassee-based attorney, Tim Jansen, has argued the encounter between the FSU quarterback and the accuser was consensual. The accuser’s family has denied that claim, and in a statement released last month said the accuser was told by Tallahassee police she would be “raked over the coals” for accusing an FSU player of rape.

Meggs stopped short of criticizing the Tallahassee Police Department for not initially pursuing the case, though said some things would’ve been easier for him had he been able to conduct his investigation last December or January, as opposed to a year after the incident.

“Obviously it would’ve been better if it had been handled a little different, a little earlier,” Meggs said. “But hindsight’s always 20/20.”

A search warrant was released to the public prior to Meggs’ announcement, in which details of the accusation are revealed (via the Associated Press):

In the warrant, the alleged victim told police she and friends had five to six shots at Potbellys and her “memory is very broken from that point forward.” She said she remembered being in a cab with a “non-descript” black man and going into an apartment where she was raped.

The alleged assault took place about a year ago. The woman didn’t identify Winston, who is black, until about a month later.

The warrant said she tried to fight the man off, and at some point, another man came into the room and told him to stop. But the two went into a bathroom “where he completed the act.”

Her next memory was of the suspect dressing her, putting her on a scooter and dropping her off at a campus intersection. She said she had no idea where the alleged assault took place.

Meggs said the accuser had some trouble remembering the events of the evening, though her BAC was only .04 when it was taken and no evidence of drugs were found in the accuser’s system.

Meggs’ investigation took so long because some unknown DNA was found, later discovered to be from the accuser’s boyfriend. That DNA was not associated with the accuser’s complaint. Meggs also added he never considered charging the accuser with filing a false report.

As for the timeline of Meggs’ investigation, it came to a conclusion two days before Winston and FSU play in the ACC Championship and four days before Heisman ballots are due. Meggs, though, said he never felt compelled to conclude his investigation to fit a timeline for Florida State football.

“There was no pressure,” Meggs said. “I have not consulted with the football schedule or who the starting quarterback might be or might not be.”

UPDATE: Florida State, Seminoles coach Jimbo Fisher and the accuser’s family released statements after Meggs’ press conference, and are both below.

From the accuser’s family and attorney, Patricia Carroll of Dade City, Fla.:

“The victim and her family appreciate the State Attorney’s efforts in attempting to conduct a proper investigation after an inordinate delay by the Tallahassee Police Department.

“The victim in this case had the courage to immediately report her rape to the police and she relied upon them to seek justice.

“The victim has grave concerns that her experience, as it unfolded in the public eye and through social media, will discourage other victims of rape from coming forward and reporting.”

From Florida State president Dr. Eric Barron:

“Recent weeks have provided a painful lesson, as we have witnessed harmful speculation and inappropriate conjecture about this situation and the individuals involved. As a result, we have all been hurt. A respect for the principle of due process is essential to the integrity of our community. Our commitment to each and every one of our students is unwavering and will remain our priority.”

From Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher:

“As you might imagine, I was pleased to hear that the State’s Attorney’s Office exonerated Jameis in the matter. I’m not going to answer any questions about the situation, but I would like to point out that our community and our university are blessed to have really good people in place to review matters like this. I know Jameis is pleased he can focus on being a student at a great university and he’s excited about helping our team achieve its goals this year. Right now, we’re all looking forward to what we have in front of us on Saturday.

Note: Winston was not actually exonerated, as Fisher’s statement reads. Meggs only determined there was not enough evidence to pursue a trial against him.

Winston’s attorney, Tim Jansen, said he was confident from “day one” that his client would not be charged:

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96 Responses to “Jameis Winston not charged with sexual assault”
  1. grudenthediva says: Dec 5, 2013 2:00 PM

    Haters gonna hate.

  2. wabbitslayer says: Dec 5, 2013 2:01 PM

    Better headline would have been “Winston Gets Off”

  3. bloodisred says: Dec 5, 2013 2:05 PM

    Alleged victim had more than one male DNA sample in/on her … story kind of tracks with her membership in #FSUCleatchasers.

  4. realfootballfan says: Dec 5, 2013 2:08 PM

    I’m shocked. And like somebody said on here early on, looks like there was some kind of train or group sex going on that night, which just embaarrasses this young woman and Winston too for that matter.

  5. peed1 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:09 PM

    Be careful son. Learn from this. Your actions can have consequences. Get a clear consent before proceeding. Have ur lawyer prepare one.

  6. thejabronisayz says: Dec 5, 2013 2:09 PM

    Punk deserves to be in jail, let alone playing for a national title and being a candidate for the Heisman.

  7. kosarkid says: Dec 5, 2013 2:11 PM

    Perfect fit for the Steelers once he decides to go pro.

  8. stopthemadness101 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:12 PM

    thejabronisayz you are the punk. Just watched the interview with Meggs. She had sex with Jameis and another male who she dated before AND after the incident. You can go screw yourself troll. Suck it.

  9. thefiesty1 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:13 PM

    Meggs is a piece of work. What is he dipping? He can barely speak. Typical lawyer speak.

  10. randomguy9999 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:14 PM

    bloodisred says:

    Alleged victim had more than one male DNA sample in/on her … story kind of tracks with her membership in #FSUCleatchasers.

    —————————————————-

    you mean the story kind of tracks with the good old “felony, what felony? these guys are good at football so there’s no way they could have done it” that happens at Universities all the time.

  11. mrbeanbean3 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:14 PM

    I guess the USA is starting to use Sharia law for Rape now. Unless there are witnesses we won’t go to trial. DNA = Do Not Accuse a star athlete. If an athlete was to get attacked, that would be different, oh yeah, very different, then we’d see the justice that applies to the rich and famous, not to be confused with the justice that the rest of us have to live with.

  12. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:15 PM

    http://www.talgov.com/uploads/public/documents/assets/news/tpd-documents.pdf

    All right there in black and white.

    Then again, a lot of you could barely be bothered to read more than just a few incendiary headlines, so I don’t expect you to read an 86 page PDF.

    Taste them tears.

  13. overratedgators says: Dec 5, 2013 2:15 PM

    I’m anticipating that all the FSU fans who claimed that this was all politically motivated BS by Meggs now will soon be apologizing for such accusations, right?

    ***crickets***

  14. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:19 PM

    That’s cute – you see the guy holding court now and soaking up all the media attention, but you want to try and ignore the fact that for weeks people have been claiming there was an FSU coverup and that there was an actual rape.

    Man, the mental gymnastics a lot of you people attempt are just hilarious.

  15. coldtool says: Dec 5, 2013 2:20 PM

    So… his semen in her panties isn’t enough evidence… I have zero faith in our justice system.

  16. ttalarico says: Dec 5, 2013 2:21 PM

    What a surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. overratedgators says: Dec 5, 2013 2:23 PM

    “For weeks” Meggs has been doing his job and investigating. He can’t control the wild speculation of third parties while the investigation was going on.

    I mean, I suppose he could have wrapped it more quickly by just charging Winston and saying “fuck it, we’re in a hurry, let a jury sort it out”. Perhaps you would have preferred that outcome?

  18. imaduffer says: Dec 5, 2013 2:24 PM

    Florida State loses on Saturday.

  19. rayfinkleisonehellofamodelamerican says: Dec 5, 2013 2:24 PM

    Love how people can’t live with the fact that an athlete got off. If there isn’t enough evidence to bring it to trial, then they aren’t going to do it. Just because there was an accusation does not mean he’s a POS. People are falsely accused all the time.

  20. ceraser45 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:24 PM

    Why would we read something only FSU jackasses care about….lol….FSU is trash, always has been and always will be nothing….I hope they make the NC game so another SEC team can shut them up

  21. frank booth says: Dec 5, 2013 2:25 PM

    jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:19 PM

    That’s cute – you see the guy holding court now and soaking up all the media attention, but you want to try and ignore the fact that for weeks people have been claiming there was an FSU coverup and that there was an actual rape.

    Man, the mental gymnastics a lot of you people attempt are just hilarious.
    ==================================
    Actually, you don’t think they are hilarious. You’re really angry and have a burning desire to prove that you’re right. It’s an insecurity thing.

  22. godofwine330 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:25 PM

    This could happen to any person, athlete or not. You cannot prove concensual sex. As Billick put it, ”No means no, maybe means no, and yes means no in the morning.” I have known women who have actually been raped and they don’t keep the items unwashed for a year. This woman likely cost him the Heisman Trophy, and now he is likely going to beat the stuffing out of my horrible Ohio State defense who made Michigan bums look like Tom Brady’s second coming.
    Glad he got off because it was flimsy at best, but there are men in jail right now for even flimsier charges against them with no proof.

  23. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:26 PM

    “So… his semen in her panties isn’t enough evidence… I have zero faith in our justice system.”

    I have zero faith in your understanding of the justice system because DNA is NOT conclusive.

  24. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:28 PM

    “I mean, I suppose he could have wrapped it more quickly by just charging Winston and saying “fuck it, we’re in a hurry, let a jury sort it out”. Perhaps you would have preferred that outcome?”

    You mean like the people here who wet their pants wondering why Jameis wasn’t booked and cuffed from the MINUTE this story broke? The people who spent weeks accusing Meggs and the TPD of dragging this out so that he could keep playing?

    Okay!

    “Actually, you don’t think they are hilarious. You’re really angry and have a burning desire to prove that you’re right. It’s an insecurity thing.”

    Um, everything I’ve been suspecting about this case and the police report has unfolded like expected, and the mouth breathing idiots crying coverup and rape are now pissy because it blew up in their faces. Not angry in the least, skippy. Perhaps you are the insecure one, no? ;)

  25. grudenthediva says: Dec 5, 2013 2:30 PM

    The bitter butthurt crybabies…the stupid, it hurts.

    Ya’ll were wrong. Dead wrong. Just take it like men and slink away.

  26. realfootballfan says: Dec 5, 2013 2:36 PM

    Read between the lines. The woman didn’t even want to tell them who’s been sleeping with her (black guy). This is the classic, “My parents don’t know what I like to do with those black salamis,” and it got out of hand. Absolutely ridiculous. She says she was drinking heavily; yet her toxicology reports show she was barely over the legal limit at the height of her drinking. No drugs, no date rape drugs, etc. She lied after realizing that she seriously screwed two different men at the same time the night before, and it got out of hand. TPD tried to make it go away, for her sake not Winston’s because this is extremely embarrassing, but her Florida booster aunt and perverted “journalist” who used to cover her volleyball team back home called TM sleaze to start the “investigation” up. Now, do you all feel better that you know this girl had a train run on her?

  27. th56 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:37 PM

    I see, he took advantage a drunk chick. Evidently it’s not rape if she was drunk and perfectly acceptable behaviour for a star athlete in Florida.

  28. bloodisred says: Dec 5, 2013 2:38 PM

    randomguy9999 – dude you are SO lost. Multiple people in the room, multiple witnesses AND “a mixture” of male DNA as well as a month elapsing before pressing charges should tell you all you need to know.

  29. dkhhuey says: Dec 5, 2013 2:39 PM

    So she had 2 different guys DNA on her panties – that most certainly brings up many questions to mind! I’ll leave it at that!

  30. frank booth says: Dec 5, 2013 2:42 PM

    “Actually, you don’t think they are hilarious. You’re really angry and have a burning desire to prove that you’re right. It’s an insecurity thing.”

    Um, everything I’ve been suspecting about this case and the police report has unfolded like expected, and the mouth breathing idiots crying coverup and rape are now pissy because it blew up in their faces. Not angry in the least, skippy. Perhaps you are the insecure one, no? ;)
    ================================== No, not insecure at all, but you are. Of course, you are right about the case, and have pointed this out with multiple postings on multiple threads. Calling people names with intent to demean like (“skippy”) are a dead giveaway as to your anger and insecurity.

  31. realfootballfan says: Dec 5, 2013 2:42 PM

    th56,

    Yea, toxicology reports shoed at the most she had put her at 0.1. Got any other theories, Champ? The fact that she stopped cooperating, didn’t want to tell anyone (in a criminal investigation mind you) who she’s been sleeping with, etc. should tell you all you need to know but keep barking up that tree.

  32. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:42 PM

    And now he has an exclusive one-on-one with ESPN. KEEP telling the people who’ve known this creep for decades that he isn’t a press whore. Keep digging yourself deeper.

  33. realfootballfan says: Dec 5, 2013 2:43 PM

    And there’s good ole Willie Meggs, laughing and snickering it up with all these reporters “he’s gotten to know.” But nah, he wasn’t living for the spotlight on this one. No way.

  34. frank booth says: Dec 5, 2013 2:43 PM

    realfootballfan says: Dec 5, 2013 2:36 PM

    Read between the lines. The woman didn’t even want to tell them who’s been sleeping with her (black guy). This is the classic, “My parents don’t know what I like to do with those black salamis,” and it got out of hand
    ==================================
    Are the Black Salamis bowl-eligible this year?

  35. jmb795 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:44 PM

    Kinda curious where all the apologies are to JW and HIS family.
    Again, haters gonna hate.

  36. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:44 PM

    “Calling people names with intent to demean like (“skippy”) are a dead giveaway as to your anger and insecurity.”

    Oh if you could only see the smile on my face. No need to get your panties all atwist. Congrats on that psych degree from Matchbox U, though.

  37. frank booth says: Dec 5, 2013 2:47 PM

    jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:44 PM

    “Calling people names with intent to demean like (“skippy”) are a dead giveaway as to your anger and insecurity.”

    Oh if you could only see the smile on my face. No need to get your panties all atwist. Congrats on that psych degree from Matchbox U, though.
    ==================================
    It’s OK. You know what you are.

  38. bloodisred says: Dec 5, 2013 2:47 PM

    jhagman99 – you are correct sir, thanks for posting the URL — the affidavids on pgs 63 and 64 tell the whole story.

  39. richiebburg says: Dec 5, 2013 2:48 PM

    hoes gone be hoes

  40. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:53 PM

    Your daddy.

    And it’s a hoot.

  41. frank booth says: Dec 5, 2013 2:55 PM

    Can’t stop answering, can you?

  42. th56 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:55 PM

    realfootballfan says:
    Dec 5, 2013 2:42 PM
    th56,

    Yea, toxicology reports shoed at the most she had put her at 0.1. Got any other theories, Champ? The fact that she stopped cooperating, didn’t want to tell anyone (in a criminal investigation mind you) who she’s been sleeping with, etc. should tell you all you need to know but keep barking up that tree.

    —————-
    Oh, she was just a little drunk. I know it’s hard when you find out your heroes are trash, but keep believing. 0.1 is legally drunk BTW and I’ve seen girls flat out wasted on far less.

  43. mauldawg says: Dec 5, 2013 2:58 PM

    Did anyone really think another football scum bucket would get charged. Schools cover this crap up. Police have no balls,and schools will do what it takes to protect the cash cow.

  44. stopthemadness101 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:59 PM

    Hey th56. Is it rape when the supposed victim give you a blowjob first and takes off her own clothes. Read the pdf released by the police department you douche.

  45. realfootballfan says: Dec 5, 2013 3:02 PM

    th56,

    That’s cute. I don’t have “heroes.” I’m a grown ass man, but dragging somebody through the mud over some nonsense is not acceptable. Maybe in your world it’s okay though. I’d love to meet a woman who’d be “wasted” off of a glass of wine because you do realize that would be what would put an average woman over the legal limit don’t you. But like I said, keep barking up that tree, Champ.

  46. goodfieldnohit says: Dec 5, 2013 3:03 PM

    Johnny Manziel would have autographed her ass.

  47. realfootballfan says: Dec 5, 2013 3:09 PM

    stopthemadness101,

    He’s going to tell you that they took advantage of her. Some people will hold onto the straws until the last minute.

    In the real world for the rest of us, this thing is closed.

  48. realfootballfan says: Dec 5, 2013 3:11 PM

    mauldawg,

    Go read the report, dummy. I guess all of those people in the room are lying. I guess “victims” give their rapists head before they get raped. SMH. Wake up.

  49. Deb says: Dec 5, 2013 3:11 PM

    godofwine330 says:

    I have known women who have actually been raped and they don’t keep the items unwashed for a year.
    ————————————————-
    Truest comment on this thread.

    And speaking only for myself on the subject of civil suits … the last thing on earth I would want is for my attacker to pay me money as though that would “compensate” me. What does that sound like???? The idea of that makes my skin crawl.

  50. oldforester says: Dec 5, 2013 3:14 PM

    And the following night Winston’s girlfriend flies in to see him for the weekend. Heisman = Excellence and Integrity No doubting the excellence, but…………..

  51. Jew Bledsoe says: Dec 5, 2013 3:15 PM

    Honestly, these gold-digging womyn who slander guys with baseless rape allegations need to charged with a crime too. It’s too much of an easy win-win for them, they either get a conviction and a monetary settlement due to their pathetic whining and lies, or they drag the person’s name through the mud and if the guy is innocent like Brian Banks, the she-devil is out nothing but her time and fake tears.

    Winston should sue this harpy for defamation.

  52. dryzzt23 says: Dec 5, 2013 3:17 PM

    This kid put himself into this situation. He KNEW what was going on yet he CHOSE to stay and participate. He deserves to have his rep tarnished because of this.

  53. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 3:17 PM

    “p.33 “Ms. Carroll advised and her family were concerned because Winston is a big name on campus and she is afraid of the consequences.””

    BUT the TPD were the ones who pressured and coerced the girl, I thought? Oh wait, that was never on record – that came directly from the mouth of Carroll, and people ate it up…and it was all a LIE.

  54. Deb says: Dec 5, 2013 3:26 PM

    th56 says:

    Oh, she was just a little drunk. I know it’s hard when you find out your heroes are trash, but keep believing. 0.1 is legally drunk BTW and I’ve seen girls flat out wasted on far less.
    ———————————————–
    Not an FSU fan, not a Winston fan, and I have no idea what happened that night beyond the quotes from the accuser’s statement cited above. I’m comment solely based on her statement.

    Her BAC was .04 at the time she was tested–which is slightly buzzed, not drunk to the level of memory impairment she described. If she was impaired to that degree at the time of the incident, it’s because she went to Potbelly’s and did multiple shots with her friends. Apparently there was no designated driver because no one among her friends stopped her from leaving with a group of men she didn’t know.

    I’m sorry, but as a rape survivor myself, I get tired of women who drink themselves into oblivion, crawl over every man in the room, then decide they were raped. You have to take some responsibility for your own behavior. If I walk into a bank with a gun and wearing a mask but then change my mind at the last second–after the alarms have been pressed and everyone has hit the ground–I can’t very well expect the police to believe I wasn’t a willing participant in trying to rob the bank.

  55. villain612 says: Dec 5, 2013 3:35 PM

    Clearly Meggs has it out for Ron Burgundy.

  56. goodknave says: Dec 5, 2013 3:38 PM

    So, will Urban Meyer and his minions get their money back after trying to pay off the girl to make up a story? This came out before Alabama lost.

  57. vikingapologist says: Dec 5, 2013 3:40 PM

    Some of you are just flat out stupid! Blaming our justice system??? Saying a scum athlete got away with Rape? Are you serious? The whore bag had multiple traces of “cum” in / on her! She was a glamour whore who loves following the high profile athletes , and willingly put out for JW! Aren’t you fools embarrassed to cry foul??? As a Fan of the gophers and zero emotional ties to this either way, it’s just plain idiotic to call it anything but what it is! A road whoRe with a vendetta! Justice is served!

  58. th56 says: Dec 5, 2013 3:40 PM

    stopthemadness101 says:
    Dec 5, 2013 2:59 PM
    Hey th56. Is it rape when the supposed victim give you a blowjob first and takes off her own clothes. Read the pdf released by the police department you douche.
    ———————–
    Y

  59. raysfan1 says: Dec 5, 2013 3:41 PM

    It amazes me how a lot of folk just want to believe the worst of someone, or at least of someone who happens to be an athlete on a team they don’t like.

    No charges of course doesn’t mean innocent, but it does mean there isn’t enough proof to even make a trial worth doing–it means the state attorney’s office is at minimum conceding there is a reasonable doubt as to his guilt.

    His semen was found? That means they had sex, not that she was raped. Has there ever been any indication of force/violence? No, other than her accusation.

    Can there be a conviction without an eye witness? Yes, but it requires sufficient physical evidence, and the presence of semen is not enough since that is also expected in consensual sex.

    Can a woman be “totally wasted” at BAC ” far less” than 0.1? No, don’t be ridiculous. Blood alcohol content is a concentration, not a total quantity consumed. To get as drunk as she described (in/out of consciousness, memory lapses), the BAC should have been in the 0.2 range.

  60. th56 says: Dec 5, 2013 3:42 PM

    stopthemadness101 says:
    Dec 5, 2013 2:59 PM
    Hey th56. Is it rape when the supposed victim give you a blowjob first and takes off her own clothes. Read the pdf released by the police department you douche.
    ———————–
    You mean the part were she said “stop” or his “buddy’s” statement. You obviously have selective reading skills.

  61. ryanrockzzz says: Dec 5, 2013 3:47 PM

    Hmm….i’m surprised this got shot down in an area where College Football has all the power…wait, no I’m not.

    True or not, the truth never had a chance if it involves a star player in this area of Florida.

  62. sportsdrenched says: Dec 5, 2013 4:00 PM

    Some of you need to remember it’s against the law to rape someone. It is not against the law to be a scumbag.

  63. jhagman99 says: Dec 5, 2013 4:05 PM

    Peter Warrick would disagree with you.

    And Travis Johnson. And Greg Dent. And James Wilder Jr. And Laveranues Coles….

  64. IndependentThinkin says: Dec 5, 2013 4:08 PM

    It absolutely disgusts me that a woman accuses him of rape several months later and people just assume he’s guilty. Hey! Let’s detroy a kids future and reputation as a person, student and athlete all because some girl got drunk and did something she regretted in the morning. Disgusting.

  65. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 5, 2013 4:19 PM

    I find most of realfootballfan’s posts to be ignorant, distasteful and disagreeable. On this thread and this subject, however, he is spot on.

  66. suprmous says: Dec 5, 2013 4:25 PM

    When it takes a yr to bring things out somethin has to be wrong one way or another. And it stands to reason there’s usually somethin or somebody behind it. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. And as a result somebody’s bound to be hurt and usually it’s the innocent that ends up bein the hurt party in it.

  67. ukeone says: Dec 5, 2013 4:53 PM

    Clearly, all the frustrated, demoralized and embarrassed Alabama fans are ‘venting’ their ‘life-ending loss to Auburn’ in this thread. Their ‘only hope left’ for getting back into the national title picture just escaped from a rape conviction that could have ended his career and ruined his life. Now, Winston will be leading his #1 rated FSU team to the national spotlight as deserved. I totally agree with the prosecutor’s assessment that convincing evidence just didn’t exist for a conviction. And as for the so-called victim: had this naive and clearly stupid 19 year old girl had just stayed ‘safely’ at home instead of going-out and being the irresponsible teenager she still is, nothing could have possibly happened to her, with or without her so-called consent. “If you don’t ‘knowingly’ put yourself into the path trouble in the first place, then you won’t ever get into trouble!” Ya think…!

  68. fpstratton says: Dec 5, 2013 5:02 PM

    How can any of us really comment on whether he is guilty or not? We don’t know the specific facts about this case. People will rush to judgment and say he is guilty, but there have been cases where people have been falsely accused of rape. There have also been cases where famous people have gotten off the hook in spite of criminal behavior. Only Jameis Winston knows for sure.

  69. fpstratton says: Dec 5, 2013 5:37 PM

    As a football fan, I’m glad Winston is going to play. He is one of the most exciting players in college football today, and Florida State has a great chance to cap off a tremendous season if they get by Duke and then play in the championship. The Seminoles have been so dominant in all of their games. They haven’t needed any miracle finishes, and this team, should it win its last two games, might rank as the best FSU team ever, and that’s saying something.

  70. frank booth says: Dec 5, 2013 5:42 PM

    suprmous-

    I don’t think what you are saying is necessarily true, especially in the case of sex crimes. When you look at the issues with the Sandusky case, Catholic priests, and other molestations, those often don’t come up until years later, and oftentimes, they never come out because the victim is shamed, damaged, or fears being ostracized.

    They are plenty of male-on-female rape victims out there where they have never reported the crime for various reasons.

  71. Deb says: Dec 5, 2013 6:53 PM

    ukeone says:

    Clearly, all the frustrated, demoralized and embarrassed Alabama fans are ‘venting’ their ‘life-ending loss to Auburn’ in this thread. Their ‘only hope left’ for getting back into the national title picture just escaped from a rape conviction that could have ended his career and ruined his life.

    —————————————
    Excuse me? I’m an Alabama diehard. Please tell me what you’ve found in my posts to justify this accusation. You are an ass.

  72. sillec28 says: Dec 5, 2013 7:05 PM

    When I think of FSU I think first of crimes, then of Bobby Bowden praying for a misdemeanor, then of giving athletes answers to exam questions before the exam is taken, then of NCAA penalties and probation, then of Deion Sanders playing football but never going to classes for an entire semester, then of FreeShoesU. If someone reminds me that FSU is a university I sometimes get around to thinking about FSU’s academics too.

  73. tg1896 says: Dec 5, 2013 7:40 PM

    Dear sillec28 – no one cares what you think.

  74. darcrequiem says: Dec 5, 2013 9:00 PM

    I read through the documents released by the police that Jhagman99 posted. I see why they didn’t pursue charges. The case seems suspect at best. The DNA they got off the victims face and panties backs up the statement given by one of the witnesses saying it was consensual. It looks like the police tried to re-interview her due to the conflicting statements and she stopped cooperating.

  75. gatorcheme says: Dec 5, 2013 9:48 PM

    One thing we certainly have no shortage of on this board is generalizations and baseless accusations.

    Like him or hate him, Meggs made the correct call in the end. There is “insufficient evidence” to bring charges on Jameis. Other than her sworn statements, the accuser’s claims of rape aren’t supported by existing evidence. Note: DNA evidence only places him at the scene.

    NOR is there any evidence to support that a rape did NOT occur. Hence, Meggs’ very specific wording on the matter. And also that there was no mention of the victim being accused by the DA of making a false statement.

    Most rape victims find it extraordinarily difficult to press charges. Rape is intimate, traumatizing, and humiliating. For victims, they have to relive this experience over and over with family, friends, and strangers as they attempt to make their claims. At every level, they are challenged by others about the veracity of their claims. Their lifestyles, choices, and attitudes are questioned and often exposed to public opinion, much of which is, at best, uniformed and, at worst, vicious and defamatory.

    Being falsely accused of rape is no picnic, either. And can expose the accused to the same vicious and defamatory opinions in the court of public opinion. I won’t even go into the possibility of a false charge leading to a conviction.

    But speaking of certain vicious and defamatory posts here, the general lack of respect for both Jameis and the accuser on this board is mind-boggling. Have some class already. It makes me really question the maturity of a lot of folks here.

  76. ukeone says: Dec 5, 2013 11:07 PM

    Deb says:
    Dec 5, 2013 6:53 PM:

    “Excuse me? I’m an Alabama diehard. Please tell me what you’ve found in ‘my posts’ to justify this accusation…etc.”

    Excuse me, Deb, but who was targeting YOU in particular? Not me, you paranoid twat. (Since you think you can call me, a perfect stranger, an ‘ass’, I think I’m entitled then to return the favor by calling you a ‘twat.’ Hey, what’s fair is fair.).

    So, you include yourself as an “Alabama diehard?” Hurrah!!! Big Deal!!! Then you may (or may not) include yourself among those I was speaking of (even though you have already admitted to it…thank you). But, you go ahead and choose, OK? However, I don’t really care if YOU are or not. I was speaking in generalities. I have, however, admittedly erred in using the word “all” instead of “many.” I do apologize for that.

    I’m sorry I helped escalate your paranoia, Deb (or was it the BIG ‘EMBARRASSING’ LOSS that still burns in your heart?…WOW, that final play was for the ages, wasn’t it?!!!’). Sorry, but the ‘BEST TEAM’ WON, so stop getting so bloody paranoid and get over it! This shame you harbor should wear-off in about thirty years (give or take a decade or more), so just be a little more patient. You’ll see victory for your tide ‘sometime’ again.

    In regard to the ‘victim’ (and to ‘any’ other stupid and naive teenager today who knowingly walks into trouble, then tries to pin-down someone else to cover for his/her own bad choices): if you ‘choose’ to go where trouble is, then trouble you shall have (consensual or not)!” The truth hurts; otherwise, just stay home where it’s safe!

    GO AUBURN TIGERS: the ‘BEST TEAM’ in the state of ALABAMA!!!

    And, CONGRATS to Jameis Winston on the outcome of this ‘senseless’ investigation, as ‘nothing’ is left in his way now to rightfully lead FSU to #1 in the land and to his well-deserving Heisman Trophy!

    Go Seminoles!!!

    SEC-ya! SEC-ya! SEC-ya!

    Sorry, Deb.

  77. frank booth says: Dec 5, 2013 11:20 PM

    ukeone says:

    Clearly, all the frustrated, demoralized and embarrassed Alabama fans are ‘venting’ their ‘life-ending loss to Auburn’ in this thread. Their ‘only hope left’ for getting back into the national title picture just escaped from a rape conviction that could have ended his career and ruined his life.
    ==================================
    Who are all the Alabama fans that are venting on this thread? BTW, calling a woman a “twat” isn’t the same as calling someone an ass- but you know that. Clearly, your intention is to invoke another word.

    But anyway, who are all the Alabama fans on this thread who are venting about the loss to Auburn?

  78. ukeone says: Dec 5, 2013 11:30 PM

    @ frank booth

    Clearly, you must one of them or you wouldn’t be responding in such a hateful manner.

    Likewise, ‘Twat’…’Ass”…it’s all anatomy.

    ROLL TURDS ROLL!!!

  79. realfootballfan says: Dec 6, 2013 12:14 AM

    wisconsinhillfolk,

    Good to know I have a fan with the backhanded compliments. I know when I find someone so disagreeable like the logicalvoices guy on PFT, I just skip over their comments.

  80. psychologyofsports says: Dec 6, 2013 12:15 AM

    This is the system we have in place it might not be perfect but it is our legal system and has to be respected. All the way around we can and should do better. Here is my take—http://psychologyofsports.com/2013/11/23/the-jameis-winston-rape-case-reflects-the-best-and-worst-of-us/

  81. dkhhuey says: Dec 6, 2013 8:32 AM

    Read the police report and it appears to be her side of the story and everybody else’s. Her story seems to have some serious lapses of critical details like I was in the cab with 3 dudes and the next thing I know – I wake up and having my clothes taken off. The other side seems to be much more clealer on exactly what happen and it doesn’t paint the same picture – in fact, shows she was completely the aggressor. Obviously I wasn’t there but the police report is a very interesting read!!!

  82. psychologyofsports says: Dec 6, 2013 11:22 AM

    The Jameis Winston case is filled with inconsistencies and questions about people’s motives, timing and actions during the course of the entire event which is ongoing. This only serves to further heighten people’s response.
    But this is to be expected as it speaks to our abilities, cognitive capacities, emotional makeup and memories.
    http://psychologyofsports.com/2013/12/06/jameis-winston-ruling-faulty-memories-and-poor-judgment/

  83. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 6, 2013 12:11 PM

    Thanks for buttressing my point.

  84. frank booth says: Dec 6, 2013 12:22 PM

    ukeone says: Dec 5, 2013 11:30 PM

    @ frank booth

    Clearly, you must one of them or you wouldn’t be responding in such a hateful manner.

    Likewise, ‘Twat’…’Ass”…it’s all anatomy.

    ROLL TURDS ROLL!!!
    ==================================
    No, I’m not. I don’t really like Alabama nor do I pull for an SEC school.

    My post is hardly hateful-not sure where you got that from. Yours, on the other hand, is filled with hate.

    So, I ask again- Who are all the Alabama fans on this thread who are venting about the loss to Auburn?

  85. florida727 says: Dec 6, 2013 12:27 PM

    Note: Winston was not actually exonerated, as Fisher’s statement reads. Meggs only determined there was not enough evidence to pursue a trial against him.

    ——————————————–

    Not quite accurate. True he was NOT exonerated. But also, meggs didn’t pursue this because he wasn’t certain of a conviction, not because he didn’t have enough to go to trial. He just wasn’t certain he could win.

    At the end of the day though, good news for Jameis and all ‘Noles fans. The Tallahassee Police Department on the other hand… they still have a lot of explaining to do.

  86. Deb says: Dec 6, 2013 12:49 PM

    @frank …

    As you’ve already determined, ukeone is just a Bama-hater, an SEC-hater … and apparently, a misogynist who thinks college women are teenagers and equates calling out someone’s jackassery with calling a woman a “twat.” No Bama fans have been on these threads ranting about Winston. He just invented that so he could engage in his usual Bama/SEC bashing.

    No doubt you’ve also determined he’s short several brain cells. Sad, really.

  87. potzrebie says: Dec 6, 2013 12:55 PM

    Wonder where Willy’s going to put all the money.

  88. frank booth says: Dec 6, 2013 2:17 PM

    Deb-

    Yep. He’s a little messed up. He’ll hopefully mature as he moves through the school system.

  89. sillec28 says: Dec 6, 2013 3:05 PM

    Like Winston’s lawyer, I too was “convinced from day one” that Winston wouldn’t be charged. Why? If Winston had been charged and FSU’s season derailed (along with Winston’s Heisman) Meggs would have been demonized in Tallahassee for the rest of his life. He wouldn’t be safe, his family wouldn’t be safe, he and they would have to either move away from Tallahassee (where he’s lived for virtually his entire life) or be prepared to have his life made miserable forever. It would take a far far stronger SA than Meggs to have brought charges against Winston under those circumstances. Of course he also wouldn’t be reelected but that’s minor compared to the other consequences he and his family would have suffered if he charged Winston.

  90. ukeone says: Dec 6, 2013 4:08 PM

    @ frank booth and Deb (new-found lovers):

    So you figured-out that I’m an Alabama and SEC hater. Congratulations. You are remarkably observant. However, being one is not necessarily an ‘immature trait’ as I am in the company of MANY (in fact much of the country) who feel exactly the same way: that the Tide was thoroughly embarrassed on national TV! You see, Deb, I purposely follow you around all the threads to see just how much of a fucking hypocrite you are. You call me a ‘hater'; however, you equate single instance cases with entire schools of fans yourself (e.g. Notre Dame and B1G) and you show your distaste of many outside of the SEC, insulting them and telling them to get out of “your thread” because they have no business being there. Who made you the fucking lawyer in these threads? If you don’t like what I have to say (or others who don’t agree with your fucked-up logic), then YOU leave, twat.

    But hey, friendships are made in worse places than talk threads; so, if it can bring the two of you together in some perverted online twat slurping relationship, then I say ‘go for it!’ I’m all for it.

    Now that you two have found one another on this thread, may you both live happily ever after (in the swamps, licking your wounds).

    ROLL TURDS ROLL!!!
    SEC-ya!

  91. ukeone says: Dec 6, 2013 4:55 PM

    frank booth said:
    Dec 6, 2013 12:22 PM

    “No, I’m not. I don’t really like Alabama nor do I pull for an SEC school”…etc…”So, I ask again- Who are all the Alabama fans on this thread who are venting about the loss to Auburn?”

    For someone who is NOT into Alabama or the SEC, you have a unusually strange desire to know something that is of no concern to you. If you want to know the Alabama fans’ names, go ask for them yourself, asswipe. Or better yet, ask the lovely Deb (her sniffing capabilities are second to none).

    This little cat-fight has gone far enough…
    To all the Alabama fans out there….BAHHHH-HAHAHAHA!!!!

    To AUBURN: CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING THE BEST FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE STATRE OF ALABAMA And THOROUGHLY EMBARRASSING ALABAMA AND THAT SHMUCK, SABAN!…NO SCHOOL DESERVES IT MORE!

    SEC-ya….and catch you in another thread, dick!

  92. frank booth says: Dec 6, 2013 5:34 PM

    @ukeone

    First, Deb and I are just curling and bowling partners, and we are trying to find a way to hybridize the two sports and get into the Olympics. We had support from Juan Antonio Samaranch, but then he died and I contacted Antonio Sabato, Jr. for help, but found out that the name “Antonio” actually has nothing to do with the Olympics and that he was just an out-of-work actor. But enough of that.

    You’re next intelligent thought may be your first, but the good news is that if you keep stringing together words, you may accidentally come up with something of value.

    Your immaturity has nothing to do with your hate of Alabama and the SEC- I’m guessing that you were confused with afterbirth in your infancy and were thrown into a bin for a few days with no human contact and your development was stunted and you never caught up. Don’t worry, you’ll get there, and I’m pulling for you, and I’m fairly sure you’re pulling yourself.

    You were the one who brought up “all of the Alabama fans who are venting on this thread…” but when asked to show who they are, you run away like a little child playing ding-dong ditch. Don’t worry, it’s expected.

    The fact that you admit stalking someone (Deb) around on these threads is pitiful. What an empty pursuit. Try something more fruitful, like stalking your imaginary girlfriend. When you get older, I hope you find more things to do. You can be unemployed or on disability or even the President of your own treehouse. Reach for the stars.

  93. ukeone says: Dec 7, 2013 12:06 AM

    @ frank booth (an assassin’s bloodline)

    I seem to be pissing you off, sonny boy.

    Gosh, the anger and frustration is just showing its (your) ugly face, over and over, again and again with your rants. Allow me to quote many contributors from down your way (you know, down where footballs are worshiped and siblings are ‘the other white meat’): “haters gonna hate…la-la-la-la la-la!” BAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Do you take tranquilizers, sonny boy? Alprazolam works wonders, as does a nice, soft down-pillow. Or, maybe you prefer moonshine, the sound of soft banjos dancing in the wind and across the tide, bowling balls, curling (twats) and traditional, southern inbreeding?

    Gosh, just imagine: all the Alabamites now have almost a whole year of absolutely nothing meaningful to do (since they’re LOSERS and won’t be playing for the NC…thanks to AUBURN); so, go give comfort to your suffering sweetheart, the twat. Cuddle-up with her in your trailer and find something useful to do with her (and just be careful that she doesn’t site you for rape, as Alabama jails are nasty: filled with rape-crazed, gay hillbillies; but, you know that already, right?) It’s about time your mother and 27 sisters find someone else to have fun with (for a change).

    Am I still pissing you off? I’m sure I’ll get another ‘nervous’ response from you quite soon.

    Actually, I love reading your rants. You are so funny! But, seriously now, frank, the ‘war IS over’. Really! (Just cross the Mason-Dixon line and you’ll see that there are flowers blooming and birds singing!) You need to get a hold of yourself and just relax, as I’m certain the sight of all those black & white TVs flying out of Tuscaloosa trailer-park windows is taking hostage of your senses by now. I’m sorry about that…NOT.

    I’ll just sit back and continue reading (stalking) your twat’s rude comments to everyone (both here and at the other threads) and your rants as well. However, if I don’t respond, it’s not because I don’t like you, frank…NO…as the LOSERS need some friends they can call their own right about now (after that embarrassment, you know).

    Good luck to you, frank wilkes booth…keep your gun cocked and aimed at your target, and sincerely,
    BAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    SEC-ya (and say hello to ‘that twat’ for me!) !

  94. ukeone says: Dec 7, 2013 12:12 AM

    I’m done!!!

  95. powercorrupts2 says: Dec 7, 2013 12:48 AM

    There is an enormous power inequality between Jameis Winston and his accuser. The legal system, if it is functioning in a just fashion, should enforce the laws in an equitable way so that the weak are not taken advantage of by the powerful. This did not happen in this case and it reflects badly on the current state of affairs with respect to our legal system. I hope the accuser is able to recover from this and move on with her life.

  96. frank booth says: Dec 7, 2013 1:49 AM

    ukeone-

    You don’t make me angry. Not much does. You amuse me- I press a few buttons, and you dance like a little monkey for me. I get under your skin, and then you accuse me of the very things that you are. You’re easy.

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