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Jameis Winston accuser to hold press conference on day before Heisman ceremony

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The family of the woman who accused Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston of rape will hold a press conference this coming Friday (Dec. 13) to address the report on the investigation by State Attorney Willie Meggs, the accuser’s attorney said on Tuesday.

Why is Friday significant? It just so happens to be the day before the 2013 Heisman ceremony, when Winston will be awarded the coveted trophy in New York City.

This assures that the decision by Meggs and the issues swirling around it are bound to be brought up to Winston by media covering this weekend’s ceremony. It’s even possible that the accuser’s press conference will happen at the same time as the traditional pre-Heisman-ceremony press conference held on Friday with all the finalists.

Whatever the case, the accuser’s family seems intent on keeping this issue alive for now. Time will tell how this will affect the long-term perception of Winston…and the accuser.

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  1. classyjacklambert says: Dec 10, 2013 6:02 PM

    Is this the way you go about getting a reality tv show now?

  2. gfj7000 says: Dec 10, 2013 6:13 PM

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the family (as noted at the beginning of this article) does all their ‘dirty laundry’ THEMSELVES to make some money from the Press in magazines or in articles on the internet. SHE (the accuser) ISN’T bold enough to COME OUT OF THE CLOSET and tell the truth that ‘she was a drunken bum’ and that there were other men involved in the ‘so-called’ rape. On the way out-of-the-room she apparently had selective Alzheimer’s about what happened. Seems that (according to Meggs) that more people were involved that gave their DNA. I won’t continue here as many amongst the public may agree while others may still call Winston a rapist.. Go for it public, The interchange here should be interesting.

  3. jtinnon2009 says: Dec 10, 2013 6:15 PM

    No stills mean “no.”

  4. fsu01 says: Dec 10, 2013 6:16 PM

    I am not going to slam this girl or her family as there may be some real scars with this. However I will say that by constantly having suspect timing with her revelations she is opening herself up to criticism. I wish the best for her and for Jameis going forward.

  5. dhardy8207 says: Dec 10, 2013 6:16 PM

    Now this is just plain out harrassment. If they have a problem with the SA not going forward with charging Winston then take that up with his office.

    Continuing this makes her look desperate to embarrass him or hender his ability to get past this. I know rape particularly “date rape” is a very real problem but by all accounts of the investigation that could not be proven as the case. She should be an example to young college girls everywhere that if you carry yourself in a manner that can be construed as permiscuous then rape becomes a more difficult challenge to prove.

  6. floridacock says: Dec 10, 2013 6:17 PM

    Nothing fiercer than a spurned woman. No does mean NO……if it was said. Word against word.

  7. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 6:18 PM

    they want to be the next Kardashians…meets Here Comes Honey Boo Boo

    no doubt they announce a pilot on TLC…

  8. ttalarico says: Dec 10, 2013 6:21 PM

    Do you really think the press conference will make a difference? There were sure to be many questions anyway directed at Winston.

    As there should be.

  9. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 6:21 PM

    jtinnon2009

    yeah, Winston should have said no. you’re right.

  10. afrancis55 says: Dec 10, 2013 6:22 PM

    Not only is the “victim” an actual whore, she’s also an attention whore. Good grief.

  11. imaduffer says: Dec 10, 2013 6:24 PM

    Write her a check, make her sign on the dotted line and she will go away. See wasn’t that easy?

  12. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 6:31 PM

    imaduffer

    Hell to the No!! If he didn’t rape her he sure as hell shouldn’t pay her…

    If she wants to be a reality star then let her pay her dues, work her way up to “Farrah Abraham Backdoor Teen Mom” status…if she and her family are a bunch of bottom feeders let them feast. If she wants to be America’s Next Kardashian then let her earn it. Kim did.

  13. mydixienormus says: Dec 10, 2013 6:43 PM

    Wow! Some real knuckle draggers posting comments tonight.

  14. sillec28 says: Dec 10, 2013 6:47 PM

    I’m glad to see her family is doing this. The travesty that was Meggs’ investigation shouldn’t just disappear without any comment from the victim or her family. I’m not saying that Winston is guilty of rape, he may be completely innocent for all I know. But there was enough evidence to charge him and let a jury decide rather than one life-long Tallahassee resident/FSU graduate making the decision by himself.

  15. phillyphannnn83 says: Dec 10, 2013 6:47 PM

    Before, I was excited to see who would win the Heisman and didn’t bother speculating or rooting for anyone in particular. NOW I hope Winston wins in a landslide!! The reasons the accusers lawyer said they were withdrawing the accusation was suspect enough, the statements given by witnesses defended Winston, and now this blatant attempt to further sully an innocent man’s reputation is so egregious I can do nothing but support this young man. This publicity stunt is sickening. Reminds me of Duke lacrosse(where is that accuser now? oh yeah, she’s in jail for manslaughter).

  16. moustachedone says: Dec 10, 2013 7:06 PM

    I’m surprised the accuser would attempt this since all the reports were released. Pretty much all the evidence corroborates Winston’s side and her’s leaves many questions. She gave different explanations for blacking out during that evening (hit in head/intoxication) and none of the physical evidence matches either (no injury; BAC 0.04; no drugs). Her own friend, Monique Kessler, made sure to meet with the accuser’s attorney before speaking with police and her testimony matches that provided by the football players; that she willingly left the bar together in a cab. The accuser can’t remember. Kessler says they talked about it and the alleged victim seemed completely sober/lucid.

  17. coltzfan166 says: Dec 10, 2013 7:09 PM

    The voting will be done by then

  18. jerrahsucks says: Dec 10, 2013 7:22 PM

    Imagine this, She pulls a train, then Jameis becomes famous, and she wants….money, fame, to be a slut like a kardasian……..wow

  19. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 7:22 PM

    sillec28

    still so bitter that he wasn’t guilty or is your mangina flaring up?

    you’re just glad that others, like you, just won’t let it go…so you can still act so sanctimonious…the “travesty that was Meggs investigation”? there was no evidence of a crime. you don’t charge someone without evidence, ask a lawyer…if there was any evidence Meggs would have charged him, ask Peter Warrick, Greg Dent among many other FSU players charged & convicted during Meggs 20 plus year career

    #falseoutrage

  20. jimmy53 says: Dec 10, 2013 7:28 PM

    sillec28:

    There’s absolutely no way you read the reports or you would not be so ignorant as to say that there was enough evidence to charge Winston.

    3 highlights:

    - her version of the story changed 4 times!

    - she said she was so drunk she didn’t know where she was and could not speak (even if she was .1 at the time, it would not impair her motor functions to this degree), and the police noted that she seemed tired but in no way drunk or drugged

    - There were no drugs found in her system–no GHB, no nothing…

    - then she claimed she was hit on the head–oh, but she doesn’t remember when or how or by who—and there were NO MARKS FOUND ANYWHERE

    - there are TWO eye witnesses who were there at the time that saw her give him a BJ, and then when one of them busted in on them having sex (as a joke) she was on top–got up and ran to the door and told him to get out, then closed the door and sex noises continued to come from the bedroom. Does that sound like rape???

    –These three highlights alone are reason enough to not charge Winston.

    –And before I hear the “it’s a football town–Megg’s is crooked” let me tell you that anyone from Tally knows and will tell you that Meggs is a bastard and has charged football players without batting an eye (look up Greg Dent, Greg Reid, and James Wilder just to name a few.)

    -That family is out for cash plain and simple and their 15 minutes are up.

    Next time do some research or try reading the arrest records before you start spouting off nonsense.

  21. floridascuba1 says: Dec 10, 2013 7:48 PM

    She could hide but she is now giving up her shield. Although everyone knows who she is. But she is about to get dragged thru the mud and tmz will turn on her for more mud.

  22. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 7:58 PM

    floridascuba1

    if you saw the videos of the accuser, Erica Kinsman twerking in a bikini all over the internet then you should know how low to set your expectations…

    #daddyslittlegirl

    #happyasapiginshit

  23. thebadguyswon says: Dec 10, 2013 7:59 PM

    Money-grubbing whore.

    Go away.

  24. doggeatdogg says: Dec 10, 2013 8:08 PM

    I knew this was coming. Either on Heisman day or NC day. They just might do it concurrently with the Heisman announcement to take away the shine from him.

    If the family will continue with the ‘she was raped’ accusation, they are just goading him to take it to a court of law via defamation lawsuit.
    I don’t know what they think they can get out of this when the evidence points to a young lady having regrets over her actions.

    In this suit he will have to disclose his sexual history and and she will too and what happened that night. Otherwise this family will be his lifetime albatross. He needs to do this now or forever carry these people around his neck.

  25. jason9696 says: Dec 10, 2013 8:15 PM

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he did it. But because he’s a star QB he’s getting away with it. I’m sure he’ll do something in the near future. The guy just looks like a punk.

  26. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 8:26 PM

    jason9696

    you must be trolling…nothing about the way this kid acts, the way he carries himself, his outward persona is in the least bit “like a punk” or thug or any other negative social behavior. was he acting like a punk when Heather Cox ambushed him on national television live just as the ACC championship game ended? has he acted like a punk with the media during this almost month long ordeal? has he had any melt downs or lashed out in any way at anyone? why don’t you go ahead a document some of this “punk” behavior…I mean there are only like thousands of videos of him on youtube, espn etc…

    if anyone has received special treatment at this point it’s the accuser…”she’s getting away with it” as you put it.

  27. guinsrule says: Dec 10, 2013 8:39 PM

    Good, a press conference is needed to address the issues of the fake ID and underage drinking.

  28. dcandyman1 says: Dec 10, 2013 8:46 PM

    personally i feel another high profile athlete got away by a terrible police dept. I dont care about the underage or anything else but a young lady being forced upon.That is total bull shit, if it was your daughter how would you feel.
    Sure she was probably wrong in some way but what happened is wrong!

  29. golfrangeman says: Dec 10, 2013 9:05 PM

    Obviously anyone putting the blame on the girl doesn’t have a daughter. I can assure you if he raped my daughter he’d never play football again.

  30. chiefagc5675 says: Dec 10, 2013 9:08 PM

    Did this comment page get tied with in “we be misogynists” somehow? The guy is from FSU- what more proof is needed?

  31. classyjacklambert says: Dec 10, 2013 9:13 PM

    @golfrangeman
    So are you an idiot, a redneck, a very small man, or just a very naive person? Or are you just totally delusional and actually believe you would go all Chuck Bronson on Jameis Winston…? If there was an actual rape, you would have every right to be very angry about it and I wouldn’t blame you for pursuing any avenue to pursue justice, by any means. But you wouldn’t post about it online if that was even ever a possibility…. Unless you’re one the previously mentioned stereotypes.

  32. desal2ds says: Dec 10, 2013 9:19 PM

    Pretty little white girl has consensual sex with black man in college. Now she is ashamed because she doesn’t want to disappoint Daddy. What’s one way to get out of her guilt? Call it rape by making Winston the real victim knowing how criminal justice system in the south looks at cases like this. Problem is darling. Your lies don’t add up to the crime. Rape is a very heinous act and anyone who does it should be punished. But lying (perjury) is a slap on the wrist and the reputation of both parties is tarnished in this case.

  33. wildbill7200 says: Dec 10, 2013 9:26 PM

    She didn’t get the Money so the press conference is on the advise of her attorney. Her story changed so many times, only two people actually know what happened. Enough of her BS. And yes, if my daughter had been assaulted I would have been knocking down doors from the beginning.

  34. Deb says: Dec 10, 2013 9:33 PM

    People posting “no means no” and there was enough to charge–let a jury decide, clearly haven’t read much on this case. Of course, no means no. But you have to say that before you willingly engage in sex acts–not after. And no, there was not enough to charge by a long shot.

    I’m not an FSU fan and have no idea whether Jameis Winston is a person of good character. But it does a disservice to real rape victims when women choose to participate in sexual activity, then claim assault. And real victims don’t usually engage in stunts like this one.

  35. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 9:42 PM

    dcandyman1

    if he forced himself on her there would be evidence, there isn’t because she was a willing participant

  36. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 9:44 PM

    golfrangeman

    easy on the bravado…if this was your daughter then you’d know what you were dealing with long before she had consensual sex with a football player only because he was a football player…

  37. golfrangeman says: Dec 10, 2013 9:48 PM

    Only 2 people really know what happened. I can safely assume the ones that put the blame on the victim don’t have a daughter. If he raped my daughter I can assure you he would never play football again.

  38. golfrangeman says: Dec 10, 2013 9:49 PM

    So I guess you were there

  39. golfrangeman says: Dec 10, 2013 9:55 PM

    It’s really sad when people are more concerned with the well being of a football player then the well being of a rape victim.

  40. remarcer says: Dec 10, 2013 10:01 PM

    This thing was over until this women’s aunt wannabe celebrity attorney got involved. She is the force behind this. The next Nancy Grace. Winston may not be prosecuted, but he was wrong, regardless of whether he raped her or not. Only two people really know that answer. If Winston is smart, he will keep his mouth shut as this case can be reopened if new evidence appears.

  41. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 10:06 PM

    golfrangeman

    so what you’re saying is that she’s telling the truth that she was somehow drunk regardless of her blood work, partially unconscious but texting coherent texts, waking up on the back of a scooter??? did the scooter have seatbelts? if she was riding on the back of the scooter, behind Winston then how does she not fall off? how do you wake up on the back of a scooter? also it’s astonishing how her texts are coherent, no misspelled words, nothing in any of the texts from 1:45 AM on about being raped, needing help, not knowing where she is, she’s still with Winston when the texts between 1:45 – 2 AM were sent, after the alleged incident..nothing but business as usual until for what ever reason she called the police at 3:30 AM…don’t take my word for it, go to the 86 pages .pdf released by the state attorney…

    so you believe that so how from 12:50 – 1:45 AM the gap between text messages when the alleged assault occurred, she was drunk, drugged, blacking out, being raped, in & out of consciousness but right at 1:45 AM emerges from her semi-coma state and is fully functional back to coherent texting? but wakes up on the back of a scooter…and after the fact gives a different story to multiple friends about being hit on the head & blacking out, different story to police no mention of being hit on head. no injury to head, DNA from multiple donors on body and face, rape counselor doesn’t think she seemed impaired only tired but lucid…seriously your buying all that?

  42. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 10, 2013 10:12 PM

    golfrangeman

    it’s really sad when an innocent person gets framed…luckily it didn’t work this time…shouldn’t you be worrying about your daughters? is the shotgun in your lap?

    #locknload

  43. realfootballfan says: Dec 10, 2013 10:14 PM

    Please tell this woman to go away.

  44. golfrangeman says: Dec 10, 2013 10:23 PM

    I’m not some redneck that sits behind a gun,clearly you are you ignorant fu.k

  45. Deb says: Dec 10, 2013 10:23 PM

    @golfrangeman …

    Actually, I’m a rape survivor and my only concern is the many victims I’ve dealt with through the years who have a more difficult time pressing charges–should they wish to do so–and coming to terms with what happened to them because of the notoriety generated by women such as this one.

    Only two people know what happened? Not true. More than two people were present in the room where she engaged in consensual sex acts prior to the alleged rape. And everyone is privy to her statement to police in which she says she downed multiple shots with friends then willingly left the bar with these men. She claims to have been blacking out, but her BAC–public record–shows she was not heavily intoxicated. Her story–again, public record–contains repeated inconsistencies and her DNA report shows she had sex with at least two men, one of whom she refused to identify.

    Rape: It’s an act of violence. It’s an act committed against a minor. It’s an act committed against someone who has been drugged. It’s an act committed against someone who is unconscious and completely incapacitated. It’s an act committed against a child. It’s an act committed by force or through the use of a weapon or other threat. It is not sex a woman willingly participates in while she’s sloppy drunk, then later decides “Oops, guess I shouldn’t have done that.”

  46. golfrangeman says: Dec 10, 2013 10:28 PM

    Once again were you there. Sounds like your a rapist yourself. Some tough guy that thinks he’s above the law. Can’t control himself so has to control women.

  47. realfootballfan says: Dec 10, 2013 10:32 PM

    becauseisaysothatswhy,

    golfrangeman has a daughter, so he knows she’s telling the truth. Damn the evidence. Yea, holding a press conference on a closed case a week after it’s closed right before a Heisman trophy presentation is right up there with typical rape victim behavior. Riddle me this, if they wanted to address this so badly, why didn’t they come out the same day as Meggs and Winston’s attorney last Thursday? They actually knew more of what was going to happen that day than Jansen did as Meggs said he called them prior to holding his press conference. But I guess that didn’t suit the celebrity attorney wannabe, Patricia Carol.

  48. realfootballfan says: Dec 10, 2013 10:36 PM

    Deb,

    This is the saddest part of this whole ordeal. This girl’s whole story doesn’t add up, and there are women terrified who have been through sexual assaults that need attention. This grandstanding by Kinsman’s family is bizarre behavior.

  49. blacknole08 says: Dec 10, 2013 11:37 PM

    Golfrangeman, please get a life. And counseling. U are clearly misguided.

  50. RE LEE says: Dec 11, 2013 2:10 AM

    Did she have bruises or anything?—this woman was pleasuring Winston and then cry rape?! Please… just these men don’t learn anything. Look at Kobe and other players. I hate to say these but there are some women who hate to earn their own money. Men esp those with money or name should smarten up. Think twice before taking home girls. She might just want your specimen.

  51. tendigitpoet says: Dec 11, 2013 7:26 AM

    Golfrangeman isn’t misguided. He’s a troll out to stir as much crap as he can for the sake of controversy.

    I hadn’t followed the case, but when you claim to be drunk and injured but neither case is true, that says more about the accuser than the accused. And Deb’s right…the women who actually get sexually assaulted now have it harder because the police and prosecuting attorneys are made more skeptical by the accuser’s actions…capped off for me by this press conference coming up before the Heisman ceremony.

    What’s next, a lawsuit filed but conveniently delayed until Winston turns pro?

  52. 1historian says: Dec 11, 2013 7:49 AM

    No one is making anyone watch the press conference, no one is making anyone watch the Heisman ceremony.

    But I would imagine that the former members of the Duke Lacrosse team might watch

  53. kastout11 says: Dec 11, 2013 8:01 AM

    Another he said, she said. The truth is between the woman and Winston. Bottom line is if this doesn’t happen to the staring qb, Heisman frontrunner in a big time college football town, the guy would have been charged.

  54. eagle100x says: Dec 11, 2013 8:19 AM

    Referencing Duke lacrosse is a poor comparison at best since that case had no dna evidence.

    Its a shame that people want to believe him and trash her. If your a big time star athlete people will ignore bad behavior.

    Like most people who are honest with themselves, I don’t know if he’s guilty or not. However, I give you 2 facts that don’t make sense. 1) Women who file false rape reports don’t tend to do it the same day as the incident. She first contacted authorities and had the rape kit done within 2 to 3 hours of the incident. 2) Men who are accused of rape when it was actually consential nearly always make a police statement because they know they didn’t do anything wrong and want to clear their name. Winston has never given a statement to police.

    Now I know that people will throw out all kinds of theories as to why these 2 things happened this way, but you really need to stop and think and wonder if he was just a regular guy would he be treated so favorably.

  55. bloodisred says: Dec 11, 2013 9:12 AM

    deb – well stated, as always.

    golfrangeman – seriously? Having a daughter leads you to automatically make every accuser truthful and paint every accused guilty? Really? I have a daughter also (2nd year of college – not FSU) and while I can’t protect her from all the evils men are capable of I did tell her, “Don’t hit anyone and not expect to be hit back, enjoy yourself but be careful with alcohol — damn near every bad decision I made during those years was made ‘under the influence’ and dont be ‘that girl’ – protect your drawers. Oh, I don’t want to see your bits on the internet (she laughed).” Simply put, I told her to be responsible for her actions.

    Since you refuse or are unable to read the report, I’ll point out two things which stand out to me: the eyewitness account of her on top and her reluctance/refusal to divulge the source of the other semen that was found on her person. Call it what you want but it ain’t [sic] rape. See above – ‘that girl’ / ‘responsible for your actions’.

  56. sfsugator says: Dec 11, 2013 9:52 AM

    He said, she said, a couple of college kids got drunk and had sex wow shocker. Her timing is awfully curious give it a break and move on, it was consensual just admit it you gold digging fame wanting she devil.

  57. sovereen says: Dec 11, 2013 9:59 AM

    I think a lot of people would have felt much better about the current situation if Jameis hadn’t immediatley ‘lawyered up’ and refused to talk to the police investigators at all.

  58. tmac4454 says: Dec 11, 2013 10:16 AM

    If this confused child was raped, why would she get on a scooter with the rapist after the rape? Why did she not call the authorities (everyone has cellphones these day). I read the transcripts from all parties involved. Seem to me, there was no case of rape. Confused Child wanted to get some attention from members of the football team, left the bar and went to a strangers apt. Cmon, what was her motive going to a strangers apt. Yes by all means, NO Means NO!!! But in this case, giving oral relations does not add up to rape. She probably felt bad because the witnesses saw what transpired and knew it was going to get out. Too bad J Cochran is not living, he would eat up for breakfast.

  59. stuckonwords says: Dec 11, 2013 10:16 AM

    @Deb

    You said:

    “Rape: It’s an act of violence. It’s an act committed against a minor…It’s an act committed against a child.”

    Umm…you say you have been a victim of rape and I’ll take you at your word. But if you want to represent rape victims, you might want to educate yourself on the basic, fundamental definition of rape. Far more women of legal age are raped than minors. It’s not just that you oopsied in the middle of a rant; you said it twice. You actually believe it.

    Your outrage and rant seemed to sway the thumbs (36-2 at this point) not to mention being well-liked by folks who’ve known you a while, but I have to believe they weren’t voting for your obvious complete lack of understanding of the basic concept of rape. If you want to represent, do it properly.

  60. ronarch13 says: Dec 11, 2013 11:04 AM

    Of course Winston is innocent, the Fl St. grad that was looking at possible charges said they were not pressing charges….. that smacks of honesty.
    If Winston played at Florida and was looked into by a Fl St. grad and not charged…… well that would be less suspicious of corruption. But who cares he gets his day in the sun….. What was interesting was Miggs called the “accuser” a “victim” countless times in his press conference to say that in his opinion she wasn’t a victim..

  61. prayedup910 says: Dec 11, 2013 11:27 AM

    That chick had a

  62. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 11, 2013 12:07 PM

    You folks are missing golfrangeman’s point. What he’s saying is, any time an innocent white woman has sex with an aggressive black man or two, it’s rape.

    Carry on.

  63. golfrangeman says: Dec 11, 2013 12:46 PM

    Most all of you are missing the point. I have no idea if he did or didn’t rape her and I’ve read the report several times but neither do you you weren’t there. If she’s lying then she’ll be charged if she’s lying the he has the right to file a defamation suit. There might be a day when you have a loved one raped or says she’s raped how are you going to feel when social media runs her through the dirt. If you have any moral conscience you might want to rethink you words.

  64. 407magic says: Dec 11, 2013 1:10 PM

    He’s the QB for fsu. Do you really think he needs to rape anyone?
    If a girls says no he has thousands of others that will say yes. My point is he doesn’t need to rape anyone if he wanted sex. Options are plenty for him on campus and in tally. Even if it was before he played a game for fsu.

  65. eglsfan says: Dec 11, 2013 1:24 PM

    Hmmm, on the surface, this does not appear to be a frivilous money grab……ahem…..

  66. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 11, 2013 1:35 PM

    I stand corrected. Golfrangeman is the American TV producers and ad execs count on… completely lacking in common sense and intellectual curiosity.

  67. golfrangeman says: Dec 11, 2013 2:30 PM

    Wisconsinhillfolk
    Here’s a suggestion go back to school (or to school ) and learn how to write with some substance. Most people stop resorting to name calling when they’re say 14 or so and why bring up race do you have a problem with black and white?

  68. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 11, 2013 2:42 PM

    You are aware that we can continue to make fun of you based on your previous posts, right? We don’t need anymore material. You posted foolishness, now take your medicine.

  69. golfrangeman says: Dec 11, 2013 2:46 PM

    It’s funny that YOU would use the term intellectual curiosity. The idea is to learn so that you can hold an intelligent conversation or debate. Clearly you not doing that.

  70. golfrangeman says: Dec 11, 2013 2:50 PM

    What medicine? I can assure you you don’t bother me in the least.

  71. Deb says: Dec 11, 2013 2:58 PM

    @stuckonwords …

    Don’t even know how to reply to your post. Not to be unkind, but when I comment, I assume I’m speaking to a fairly literate audience that will understand fundamental English. Since you didn’t, I will try to explain what should have been clear.

    Rape:

    It’s an act of violence.

    AND/OR

    It’s an act committed against a minor.

    AND/OR

    It’s an act committed against someone who has been drugged.

    AND/OR

    It’s an act committed against someone who is unconscious and completely incapacitated.

    AND/OR

    It’s an act committed against a child.

    AND/OR

    It’s an act committed by force or through the use of a weapon or other threat.

    HOWEVER

    It is not sex a woman willingly participates in while she’s sloppy drunk, then later decides “Oops, guess I shouldn’t have done that.”

    The unspoken AND/OR and HOWEVER were understood. And the thumbs up reflect the fact that most reasonable, thinking adults understood and agreed with the post, not that they “like” me. When they don’t agree with my posts, they don’t hesitate to give me thumbs down.

    Obviously, no one would suggest that only minors or children can be raped. That’s completely illogical. I was not a minor when I was raped. And I don’t give a damn whether you believe my story. I mention it only to declare my agenda in discussing this issue.

  72. tengelker says: Dec 11, 2013 3:16 PM

    Rape is rape and no means no. This athlete is of clearly of questionable character – do you really want him to be a role model for the youth of today? Rape is not about sex, it’s about power. And it is increasingly associated with football athletes and has been in the news across the country starting at the high school level. Why should athletes be above the law? If the press conference starts a dialogue, it is one that is long overdue.

  73. bloodisred says: Dec 11, 2013 3:29 PM

    tengelker –

    What on earth are you talking about? How is this athlete “clearly” of questionable character? Nevermind, it’s obvious you have a bias against athletes and the facts of the case mean nothing.

  74. Deb says: Dec 11, 2013 3:36 PM

    @tengelker …

    “Rape is rape and no means no.” How profound. The problem with your profundity is that in this case, which is the only one relevant to the discussion, no rape occurred. It does not serve a useful purpose to start a dialogue about women who have consensual sex with men, then accuse them of rape. That does a disservice to women who are actually raped and who actually say no while offering some form of resistance.

    Yes, rape is about power, not sex. But when a woman willingly leaves a bar with men and willingly performs various sex acts with men–that’s probably about sex. Yes, there are many instances of football athletes objectifying and violating women. But each case is separate. Not every football athlete accused of rape is guilty. There are also many woman who make false rape accusations. If you don’t want to accept my word for that, visit the Web site of the Innocence Project, and read their case files.

  75. tengelker says: Dec 11, 2013 3:42 PM

    bloodisred-

    I am not biased and I actually love football. But when you are in the national spotlight like he is and you have an obviously bright future why on earth would you even put yourself in that position.

  76. diamondsfordays says: Dec 11, 2013 4:17 PM

    For everybody here who thinks that Meggs or TPD treats FSU players like they’re above the law coulnd’t be more wrong. All you have to do is take some time to look up Travis Johnson. a former FSU star who was charged with rape by Meggs and found innocent by a jury in about 30 minutes, but that wouldn’t be as easy as spewing a bunch of nonsense about how this kid “got away with it because it’s a football town”… http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20131118/FSU03/131118014/

  77. thepftpoet says: Dec 11, 2013 4:49 PM

    Lol

  78. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 11, 2013 5:45 PM

    Are you writing intentionally self-deprecating posts now? Clever tactic, but it’s really not fair.

  79. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 11, 2013 5:50 PM

    What position did he put himself in? If every prominent college football player who banged coeds who wanted to be banged was charged with rape, we’d no NCAA program would be able to field a full squad.

    I’m glad you Puritans weren’t around when I was in college or the Marine Corps for that matter. Geesh.

  80. collegefoosballguy1 says: Dec 11, 2013 7:22 PM

    To those of you who believe Jameis Winston raped the accuser: how do you know?

    To those of you who believe he DID NOT rape the accuser: how do YOU know?

    The point is this: nobody will ever know, so it’s pointless to speculate based off of the facts that are currently known, especially given that a year has passed since the incident in question took place.

    Let it be known that just because a DA or a State’s Attorney chooses not to go forward with a rape charge, or just because an individual accused of rape is acquitted (not the case here), it does not mean that the accused did not commit the rape. All it means is that there was either not enough evidence to prosecute or, in the case of a trial, the defendant’s attorney was more convincing than the prosecutor.

    In each of the high-profile rape cases that have occurred since I began following college sports, the general observation I have made – both in my immediate circle of friends and acquaintances (which is diverse both politically and culturally) as well as in the media – is this: in passing judgment, which we all inevitably do, people have a tendency to turn to the law as the end-all-be-all in determining whether an individual is either morally culpable of a public wrong or worthy of public support. They are misled. The law is a public instrument wielded by those who are fallible, and as such, it has its flaws. Morality, on the other hand, does not.

    When the facts are viewed in a light most favorable to Mr. Winston, the best that can be said of him is that he treated a woman like a rag-doll. Can someone please tell me how having unprotected sex with a woman who was too drunk and incoherent to know where she was when the sex occurred, all the while representing a university that hinges on the reputation of its athletes, is responsible? Honorable? Worthy of the Heisman? In my gut, I truly do not believe that reasonable minds could come to different conclusions.

    Allow me to propose a new standard of judgment, and please keep it in mind when Mr. Winston is endowed with college football’s highest honor this Saturday: would you allow your daughter to spend time alone with this man, regardless of how he is judged by the law? If the answer is no, he does not deserve your support. If the answer is yes, you should review the facts.

  81. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 11, 2013 7:50 PM

    collegefoosballguy1

    Wow, powerful, compelling, self serving, sanctimonious, delusional fiction.

    She wasn’t drunk, her non-drunkness was confirmed by blood work, her coherent text messages, eye witnesses & the rape counselor who stated in the police report that the accuser didn’t seem impaired only tired but lucid.

    The rest of your puritanical, nonsensical dribble just goes on & on…I fell asleep reading it.

    Go back to you “friend circle” or better yet rest your hand…

    #cureforinsomnia

  82. Deb says: Dec 11, 2013 8:09 PM

    @collegefoosballguy1 …

    You make an eloquent argument. But you’re essentially saying it’s impossible to prove a rape has occurred. And that’s not true. I’ve known victims who were held at gunpoint by strangers, whose homes were invaded by force, victims who were beaten, who were drugged, who were violently abused as children, who were severly traumatized, who made deals to save their lives, who had defensive wounds from fighting back against their attackers. Not all of those victims pursued legal cases against their attackers. But in each of those situations, there was ample evidence of rape.

    The waters only become muddied in situations where women willingly and of their own volition consume large amounts of alcohol, willingly engage in some sexual activity with one man or more–usually in front of witnesses–then at some later point claim they were unable to consent. Only when it comes to sex do we expect other people to know that seemingly willing participants aren’t actually consenting.

    To be clear, I am not talking about women who are unconscious and being passed around. I am not talking about women who are protesting. I am talking about women who are actively engaged in sex acts–as this woman reportedly was.

    When people choose to drink then get into auto accidents, we don’t give them a pass because they were unable to consent to killing another driver. We charge them with vehicular homicide and send them to prison. So how can a man be charged with rape for having sex with a willing participant who has advertised herself as being a “cleat chaser,” and who has willingly participated in sex acts with him and at least one other person in front of an audience?

    That does a disservice to all the women and children who were raped without taking any part at all.

  83. collegefoosballguy1 says: Dec 11, 2013 8:51 PM

    becauseisaysothatswhy

    Sorry, I read the search warrant affidavit before I read anything about the toxicology report. I’m in the middle of a move and have had only limited access to internet/electronics. Couldn’t ignore the Heisman race though. Looks like I should get a more solid grasp on the facts before preaching about them, and I’ll concede to one aspect of your comment: BAC of 0.10 isn’t that high (or 0.04, whatever it was at the time the sample was taken). You could have been a little less demeaning though – I fail to see how what I said was self-serving.

    Still not ready to put my faith in Jameis. Ambiguity runs rampant in rape cases, especially as time lapses, and one’s interpretation of a story can be completely different from another’s based on the same fact pattern. Sorry, but it’s true. That’s how rapists get acquitted. Note also that I’m not calling Jameis a rapist. I’ll revert back to my prior comment that none of us know what exactly transpired, nor will we ever.

    You should understand that I’m also not saying there aren’t women out there who fabricate stories for publicity and money, but apparently the accuser and her family plan on making a statement in the days to come, and that might be a little more telling if and when it happens. Women who come forward in these types of cases risk their own livelihood and that of their families, and in my opinion, the costs of coming out outweigh the benefits, especially considering that the DA dropped the charges (which, mind you, provides a powerful weapon for the defense should the accuser decide to file a civil suit). Do you remember the Kansas City high school rape case? That girl had her house burned down.

    Regardless, would much rather see Jordan Lynch take home this one.

  84. collegefoosballguy1 says: Dec 11, 2013 9:03 PM

    Deb

    Are you saying my comment inferred that a rape can never be proven at all, or just in this particular case? I thought I was clear, but maybe not. Just to clarify, I don’t think we’ll ever know in this case unless another piece of evidence comes out that gives the prosecution reason charge. Of course I think rapes can be proven. To say otherwise would be nonsensical!

  85. Deb says: Dec 11, 2013 9:05 PM

    @collegefoosballguy1 …

    Well, you ignored my comment, but yes, you should get your facts straight before posting on rape. The DA did not drop the charges in this case. There were no charges in this case. And actual rape victims have lost much more than they risk by coming forward. But thank you for the benefit of your vast experience on the subject :roll:

  86. Deb says: Dec 11, 2013 9:17 PM

    Let it be known that just because a DA or a State’s Attorney chooses not to go forward with a rape charge, or just because an individual accused of rape is acquitted (not the case here), it does not mean that the accused did not commit the rape. All it means is that there was either not enough evidence to prosecute or, in the case of a trial, the defendant’s attorney was more convincing than the prosecutor.

    ———————————————–
    Yes, it does sound as though you’re arguing the evidence is irrelevant and conviction or aquittal reflects only the skill of the winning attorney. In this case, the accuser chose to drink heavily, but according to the BAC and other evidence, was not drunk to the point of being incapacitated.

    It doesn’t work both ways. If she is a willing participant, he is not a rapist. I’m tired of women who participate being called victims because someone doesn’t think Winston should get the Heisman.

  87. famucancer says: Dec 11, 2013 9:32 PM

    Does anyone really think the cops should charge a man for rape and the sole evidence is simply being accused of it?? that was all the cops had….that’s it. The standard for charging someone with rape damn sure better be more than a “He raped me” unless now we’re going back to the good ole days of just taking the “boy” to the nearest oak tree because of the accusations of Miss Becky.

  88. collegefoosballguy1 says: Dec 11, 2013 9:35 PM

    Deb!

    I have no personal experience on the subject and never claimed to! I thought I was merely making a general assertion based solely on what I’ve read in internet articles, and I corrected myself when I was wrong. Maybe I’m bad at putting my thoughts into type – something I’m working on. Trust me – lucky for me, I know nothing personally of rape or abuse or anything of the sort, but I feel that I’m entitled to give my opinion on the internet, which you confirmed (re. cost-benefit analysis).

    I want to make sure I understand your point fully, and please jump down my throat if I am wrong: a woman who actively engages in a sexual act and then claims rape does a disservice to victims who take no part in the act because it puts the two on even-keel, and that is wrong. Is that what you are saying?

  89. gibbs11 says: Dec 11, 2013 10:09 PM

    When I was reading through the 200+ page report from the SAO, I noticed a couple of things that were interesting.

    At the end of the report they show her tweets. On page 237 she tweets: “And Pitt is the perfect example of why I would never want to go to school in the north. #everyonesugly #FSUvsPITT”

    The next tweet after that says: “Interception, f*kyou Pitt”

    She is talking about the football game. A game that was played this past Sept. After the incident.

    More tweets later (pg 242) she tweets: “@fsucleatchasers pic.twitter.com(it’s blackout)”

    When I saw these it does make me believe that she targets football players. The other guys DNA that was also found on her was from another black male who plays on the football team at the college he attends in Ohio.

  90. Deb says: Dec 11, 2013 10:15 PM

    @collegefoosballguy1 …

    Sorry if I jumped down your throat in error. It’s been a long day, and this topic hits too close to home, so I should probably stop commenting on it.

    In the last two decades, there’s been a push to convince women they’re not responsible for the sexual behavior they engage in while drunk. In one case, a couple of college students hooked up in a bar while both were intoxicated, went back to his room, and engaged in consensual sex. The next morning she declared he had raped her because she was intoxicated and unable to consent. Since both were drunk and she willingly participated, how was he responsible for her supposed inability to consent? When law enforcement refused to press charges, women’s groups on campus made him their project, following him and posting everywhere that he was a rapist. If I remember correctly, they destroyed his college career.

    That is not an isolated incident. It’s happening more and more–and in some cases, leading to convictions. This situation with Winston is more of the same. The woman went to a bar, willingly downed multiple shots, willingly went home with these guys, and willingly engaged in sex acts according to witnesses. Then later she decided she didn’t really consent to all that. So she says she was raped–putting herself in the same context with women who have been drugged, assaulted, threatened, abused, etc. And the weakness of her story makes it that much harder for a woman who was truly victimized to be taken seriously.

    To be completely candid, I don’t consider this situation comparable to those. And it bothers me to hear other people equate them.

  91. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 11, 2013 10:45 PM

    gibbs11

    link to 200+ page report, please. I’ve only read the 86 page report

    thanks

  92. gibbs11 says: Dec 11, 2013 10:52 PM

    http://www.tallahassee.com/interactive/article/20131206/NEWS/131206008/View-Jameis-Winston-investigation-documents

    The 86 page report is from TPD and the 200+ page is from the SAO.

  93. collegefoosballguy1 says: Dec 11, 2013 11:20 PM

    I can understand why you feel the way you do, especially if someone close to you (“you” either in the collective sense or literally) has been falsely accused of rape. If I were in college, went home with a drunk girl, and was falsely accused of rape, I would be horrified. Even if I were completely exonerated, I would forever be tarnished by a seed of doubt that would undoubtedly manifest itself in the back of anyone’s mind I ever encountered in the future – co-workers, friends, maybe even family. Women who engage in such acts are the lowest of the low, not merely because of the effects of their actions on the accused, but even more so because of the reasons you so rightly illuminated: the effect it has on the victims of more pronounced and violent forms of abuse. It’s the boy who cries wolf, only the girl who cried rape.

    I’m reluctant to concede without giving full consideration to the accuser and the accuser’s family. What if I had a daughter who was in the same position, maybe even promiscuous? Let’s say she is 19, attends a college party (against my advice), gets drunk, and decides that she wants to have sex with a football player? But when she gets back to his apartment, intoxicated yet still coherent and able to stand, she changes her mind. Does that make her a cleat chaser? Maybe. But do cleat chasers relinquish their right to be free from unwanted sexual contact, even after provocation? I don’t think this is arguable, but many disagree. Am I supposed to tell her that she should not have put herself in that position in the first place? In essence, that she deserved it? It is undoubtedly true that she should not have been there in the first place, just like the drunk driver should not have gotten behind the wheel of the car. But there is a subtle nuance that distinguishes the two hypotheticals: once you put the key in the ignition, you are per se responsible for any damage that results. I don’t believe the same can be said for the drunk cleat chaser because she can still say no. If a girl teases me all night, I have no right to penetrate her when she says no. If I’m inside of her and she says stop, I must withdraw.

    I’ve skewed from my original point and I apologize for that. I originally thought Winston was morally culpable because he had sex with an incoherent drunk girl, but becauseisaysothatswhy corrected me on the facts (albeit snarkily), and if what gibbs11 says regarding the tweets of the accuser are true, her case is even less credible. I’m still interested in hearing her public statement though, if that actually happens.

    Bottom line: if Winston didn’t do it, he doesn’t deserve the treatment he’s getting. The accuser should be held liable to the fullest extent for whatever criminal and civil remedies the state of Florida offers. But if he did, he deserves prison. But there’s not enough evidence, which might mean he didn’t do it. But there’s always the seed of doubt.

  94. golfrangeman says: Dec 12, 2013 11:12 AM

    Deb
    Give this some thought. Let’s say this happened to be your best friend or a loved one would you stand behind her or tell her she’s doing a disservice to all rape victims out there. Her family knows her,her close friends no her,they would have a much better understanding of what she’s going through then you would. You say their were two other people that witnessed this keep in mind they were both friend and teammates of him. People on this site have neglected to mention that a nurse reported bruising on her and blood on her shorts. I get that there wasn’t enough evidence to charge him, I get that her story is very inconsistent but who knows maybe she was slipped a rufey, I don’t know if she was ever tested for that.
    If she lied then she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law but if there’s a chance I mean any chance she is a victim she shouldn’t be demonized by social media.

  95. classyjacklambert says: Dec 12, 2013 4:00 PM

    I’m pretty sure if she had been slipped a rufi, it would have shown up on the toxicology report.

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