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Winston accuser’s attorney calls for investigation into case, Tallahassee Police Department

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The attorney for Jameis Winston’s accuser called upon Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi to conduct an independent investigation into the sexual assault case against the FSU quarterback and Tallahassee Police Department Friday morning.

The accuser’s attorney, Patricia Carroll, said in a press conference said the conduct of the Tallahassee Police Department and state attorney Willie Meggs was an “investigation of a rape victim, not a rape suspect.”

Carroll said she and the accuser’s family are not considering a civil suit against Winston at this time.

Carroll pointed to search warrants issued for the accuser’s phone records by Tallahassee Police Department Detective Scott Angulo, instead of obtaining a search warrant for Winston’s DNA last January when the alleged victim identified Winston as the perpetrator.

Additionally, Carroll blasted Meggs’ focus on discovering who the second sample of DNA belonged to — later to be discovered as that of the accuser’s boyfriend. The prying into the accuser’s past sexual history opened her up for inquiries that wouldn’t stand in a court of law, Carroll said.

When the case reached Meggs, Carroll requested Winston’s phone records be obtained, but Meggs told her those documents were no longer available — though Carroll said those records actually could’ve been obtained.

“They didn’t try,” Carroll said.

Among the other issues Carroll raised with the investigation, both by the Tallahassee Police Department and state attorney’s office:

– The medical records used in the investigation did not include certain information that were on the medical records given to Carroll by the accuser’s family. Among the omitted information: The clinician’s opinion a sexual assault had occurred.

– Carroll said the symptoms reported by the accuser were consistent with a date rape drug being used, but Carroll also said the alleged victim took a shot from “a big black guy” at a bar, and her memory was intermittent afterwards. The blood provided by the accuser was never tested for the presence of a date rape drug, Carroll said.

– The report written by Angulo contained inconsistencies, such as listing two different heights provided by the accuser though nowhere in the report did Angulo state the accuser gave a different height. Many of Angulo’s interviews with the accuser were not recorded.

– Carroll said Meggs relied heavily on affidavits given by two of Winston’s teammates — Chris Casher and Ronald Darby — stating that the sexual encounter between Winston and the accuser was consensual. Carroll blasted the reliance on Casher and Darby’s affidavits, saying both players were unreliable and inconsistent in their statements.

Meggs announced last week that he did not have enough evidence to charge Winston with a crime.

The timing of Carroll’s press conference appeared calculated with the Heisman Trophy ceremony on Saturday and Winston expected to win the prestigious award. Carroll, though, said the press conference was “not tied to the timing of the Heisman announcement” and came today because she needed sufficient time to review the documents provided by Meggs’ investigation.

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  1. webbiam says: Dec 13, 2013 11:16 AM

    Date

  2. webbiam says: Dec 13, 2013 11:18 AM

    Date rape drug??? She was tested for everything under the sun and came back negative. She knows this, she has the report, yet she still claims date rape drug? I don’t understand the strategy here.

  3. jimmy53 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:26 AM

    Anyone that’s saying there was collusion between Meggs and FSU, doesn’t live in Tallahassee and know Willie Meggs. Meggs has charged and tried Nole players for anything and everything under the sun—this isn’t a rubber stamp system like gainesville under Meyer. See: Travis Johnson. Greg Reid, and Wilder jr. Two of those had a severe lack of evidence and he charged them anyway stating that “FSU football players should be held to a higher standard.”

    Carroll is a horrible lawyer, and I feel like anyone who watched that conference today found that out pretty quickly–the rest of you are just spouting off with =out any info.

    Go read the reports–it’s obvious this girl’s case doesn’t hold water.

    He said-she said didn’t work, so now she’s trying she said-TPD said…good luck with that gold digger.

    YOUR 15 MINUTES ARE UP.

  4. joewilliesshnoz says: Dec 13, 2013 11:26 AM

    The dirt gets deeper. Can you say, Penn St. ?

  5. balfe13 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:27 AM

    This woman (the accuser’s attorney) is irresponsible and should be sanctioned. She’s going to feel safe making these wildly inflammatory claims because she knows the terrible DA is highly unlikely to continue discussing any details of the case in public.
    If she had ANYTHING on Winston that would be even reasonably likely to show that a sexual assault occurred, she’d be pursuing a civil suit, where the burden of proof is only a preponderance of the evidence as opposed to beyond a reasonable doubt. This attorney is an absolute joke and it sure looks like she’s using this “case” as a way to keep her name in the media and earn some future business. Pathetic.

  6. bloodisred says: Dec 13, 2013 11:40 AM

    If the timing of the press conference wasn’t calculated and she “she needed sufficient time to review the documents”, how could she schedule a press conference three days ahead?

  7. noleitup says: Dec 13, 2013 11:40 AM

    Geez lady let it go. Maybe he did it maybe he didnt. Only a few people know the truth but this is over. Carrolls timing also seems to be a little suspect. “we knew what we would say a week ago but lets do it right before the heisman ceremony”.

  8. afrancis55 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:43 AM

    If I were the Winston family I would consider turning the table on her and bringing up a lawsuit against her for defamation. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.

  9. blacknole08 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:43 AM

    Seriously disbar this woman!! This woman needs to shut her mouth. The report said she wasnt drunk or drugged!! And where is the personal accountability from the accuser? Her niece should not have opened up her legs to multiple guys.

  10. Deb says: Dec 13, 2013 11:46 AM

    The accuser’s blood sample was taken as part of the rape kit. By law, under the Violence Against Women Act, that sample must be maintained with the rest of the case evidence. Since the sample was tested for BAC, it seems odd that they wouldn’t also have run a tox screen to detect the presence of date rape drugs. But if true, the sample could still be tested. In fact, if the accuser’s attorney believes a date-rape drug was used, she could have paid for an independent test prior to her press conference and provided the results to the media, rather than just making speculative accusations.

    I am curious why a woman would drink a shot given to her by “a big black guy” or any stranger in a bar.

    As for subpoenaing the accuser’s phone records … when you claim you were being assaulted but others claim you were sending conversational texts at the time, your phone records are relevant. A competent attorney should know that … just as she should know the presence of more than one man’s DNA is relevant in a rape investigation where only one man has been named as an assailant.

  11. wadaea says: Dec 13, 2013 11:50 AM

    Wow you can certainly tell from the comments that all these people want is for the FSU criminals to win the National championship and for their qb to be a Heisman winner. I have a relative that is an attorney in Tallahassee and he sure fells like this is a cover-up. Even though both parties in this should have some responsibility ..thinking you can do anything to anybody because you think you are immune from the laws because you have been told by everybody around you how great you are is wrong.

  12. theworkhorsebackdotcom says: Dec 13, 2013 11:54 AM

    There are no winners when choosing sides in a alleged rape.

  13. coltzfan166 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:01 PM

    Can Winston counter sue for defamation?

  14. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 12:03 PM

    wadaea

    sure you do…have a relative that is an attorney in Tallahassee and he sure fells like this is a cover-up

  15. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 13, 2013 12:06 PM

    It is pretty obvious that FSU fans have already decided that Winston is innocent.

    Not having enough evidence to charge does not equate to innocence.

    Now some of what she is saying here doesn’t make sense, but if any of it is true, she’s correct, there needs to be an investigation in how this incident was handled.

    But FSU fans, don’t go thinking that just because he wasn’t charged that there’s NO chance that he actually did this. I tend to agree that he didn’t do it… but I’m not 100% convinced at all.

  16. ajarkoski says: Dec 13, 2013 12:06 PM

    FSU – Free Shoes universirty has gotten away with do much crap over the Bowden era that I am sure many of the same people are around that could have covered this up, including the police dept. Maybe this will end up being an FBI investigation. It could be either way, but we all know sports conspiracies have occured before. I feel this needs to be investigated by a private firm, not excluding higher levels of enforcement.

  17. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 13, 2013 12:08 PM

    coltzfan166 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:01 PM

    Can Winston counter sue for defamation?
    ______________________________

    He’d have to be able to PROVE that it was consensual, and just like proving it the other way, it would be mostly his word vs her word. Very hard to prove it did or didn’t happen.

  18. ajarkoski says: Dec 13, 2013 12:08 PM

    A date rape drug would explain the delay in her recollection and charges.

  19. js20011041 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:13 PM

    Did any of you actually read the documents released by the state? There is no physical evidence. At all. None. They had a DNA match for Winston. If the victim displayed any kind of vaginal injuries not consistent with consensual sex, Winston would have been locked up.

    Further, there was no evidence that the accuser was drugged, nor any evidence that the accuser was intoxicated. Winston has two witnesses that gave identical accounts of the night. Accounts from police officers don’t support the accuser being drugged. Hell, even the accuser’s witness gave an account that said the witness didn’t appear to be drugged or intoxicated.

  20. Deb says: Dec 13, 2013 12:14 PM

    wadaea says:

    Wow you can certainly tell from the comments that all these people want is for the FSU criminals to win the National championship and for their qb to be a Heisman winner.
    ————————————————-

    I’m an Alabama fan, not an FSU fan, and as is tradition in the SEC, will be rooting for Auburn in the title game. My comments don’t have anything to do with supporting a football player. I’m a rape survivor. Like the other victims I’ve known, I experienced a violent attack and am tired of reading these debates about women who went out partying, willingly performed sex acts with a group of men, then decided somewhere along the line that was rape. When someone breaks into a home, uses a weapon, attacks a child, physically overpowers a woman who is fighting like crazy–that’s not debatable.

  21. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 12:31 PM

    Directly contradicts what the attorney said about toxicology, rape drugs…done by University of Florida [ironic]

    http://www.tallahassee.com/interactive/article/20131206/NEWS/131206008/View-Jameis-Winston-investigation-documents

    Toxicology

    On 11/15/13, XX’s toxicology kit was submitted to Dr. Bruce Goldberger of the University of
    Florida Pathology Laboratories for a second evaluation. Dr. Golberger tested for other possible
    drugs that may have been in XX’s system causing her to black out and have a spotty memory. All
    tests were negative for 172 different drugs or drug metabolites. Dr. Goldberger determined the
    blood alcohol content to be .04g/dL and the urine alcohol content to be .09 g/dL. The blood that
    was sent to Dr. Golberger was resubmitted to FDLE to confirm the blood that was tested was that
    of XX. DNA analysis confirmed the blood tested was that of XX.

  22. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 12:34 PM

    Attorney also took numerous statements of affidavits WAY out of context regarding the video recording of the consensual intercourse. Casher stated that he took a short recording on a cell phone but that the recording was deleted & the phone discarded…she made it sound like he deleted the illegal recording to conceal evidence and failed to mention that he no longer has the phone, has a new phone that he allowed the police to search

    http://www.tallahassee.com/interactive/article/20131206/NEWS/131206008/View-Jameis-Winston-investigation-documents

  23. jmb795 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:35 PM

    Haters gonna hate, no matter.
    Contempt prior to investigation is a hard trait to overcome.

  24. blacknole08 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:37 PM

    No one is trying to cover up anything and no one is saying Winston is completely innocent. But at the same time why cant it be that this girl fabricated a lot of her story? The reports said she wasnt drunk or drugged, she willingly left the bar with them, willing gave him some dome, and her friend, Casher and Darby confirmed this. She kept changing her story, kept remembering and not remembering…. Her social media was deleted afterwards…. how is that not suspicious? She deserved to be investigated as well!!

    Meggs did a good job of not embarrasing this girl during the investigation. And if the media would have known more about this 2nd DNA this would have been an immediate open shut case as far as public opinion goes.

  25. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 12:43 PM

    and she failed to explain the multiple DNA samples on her clients face including her boyfriend’s DNA who the attorney said wasn’t in Florida on 12/07/12…but if he wasn’t present then how did his DNA get on her face? she tried to imply that the boyfriends DNA on her shorts had dried there, was very old

    in all they only identified Winston’s DNA and the boyfriends DNA, as per the rape kit swabs there’s still unidentified DNA…the second donor of facial DNA has yet to be identified

    Exhibit 2E:
    The DNA profile obtained from the face swabs (Exhibit 2E) demonstrated the presence of a mixture.
    Assuming two donors to the mixture, a partial DNA profile foreign to 119.071 (2)(n (Exhibit 2A) was
    obtained from the face swabs (Exhibit 2E). This partial foreign DNA profile is consistent with the partial
    foreign DNA profile obtained from the panties (Exhibit 3).

  26. realfootballfan says: Dec 13, 2013 12:56 PM

    Yes, everybody is in on the conspiracy. Cuckoo. Sad that she had to expose her niece to everyone knowing what she was doing sexually up in Tallahassee.

  27. realfootballfan says: Dec 13, 2013 1:12 PM

    becauseisaysothatswhy says:
    Dec 13, 2013 12:31 PM
    Directly contradicts what the attorney said about toxicology, rape drugs…done by University of Florida [ironic]
    http://www.tallahassee.com/interactive/article/20131206/NEWS/131206008/View-Jameis-Winston-investigation-documents
    Toxicology
    On 11/15/13, XX’s toxicology kit was submitted to Dr. Bruce Goldberger of the University of
    Florida Pathology Laboratories for a second evaluation. Dr. Golberger tested for other possible
    drugs that may have been in XX’s system causing her to black out and have a spotty memory. All
    tests were negative for 172 different drugs or drug metabolites. Dr. Goldberger determined the
    blood alcohol content to be .04g/dL and the urine alcohol content to be .09 g/dL. The blood that
    was sent to Dr. Golberger was resubmitted to FDLE to confirm the blood that was tested was that
    of XX. DNA analysis confirmed the blood tested was that of XX.
    ——
    This guy must be in on the conspiracy too, I tell you. People need to stop entertaining this loon and let her know to tell her niece that it’s 2013, and nobody cares that she likes to bang black guys. The Kardashians got famous on it. Coverup, football team runs Tallahassee, Meggs is an FsU graduate.

  28. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 1:17 PM

    the funniest contradictory statement, to me, made by the accusers Attorney was how she claimed that the victim was being portrayed as a promiscuous drunk….quite the contrary she’s being portrayed as a promiscuous not-drunk or drugged etc…

    and the testimony of the victim’s witnesses was that she was not drunk or not that drunk…

    if she was dosed with any date rape drug the effects of the drug would have been more than the 55 minute gap between text messages. there’s only from 12:50 AM -1:45 AM where the victim isn’t coherently texting with her friend, eye witness Monique Kessler. if she was dosed with GHB or slipped a ruffi she would have been out, for hours…and I mean out cold, unconscious. not partially conscious or in & out of consciousness.

  29. realfootballfan says: Dec 13, 2013 1:18 PM

    becauseisaysothatswhy says:
    Dec 13, 2013 12:43 PM
    and she failed to explain the multiple DNA samples on her clients face including her boyfriend’s DNA who the attorney said wasn’t in Florida on 12/07/12…but if he wasn’t present then how did his DNA get on her face?
    —–

    This dumbass isn’t even keeping up with her own amateur train of thought. I guess that’s where the niece had told her, Moms, and Pops that she had stopped banging her boyfriend, who I assume is black too from her reluctance to disclose his identity. Oops, he just went all over her face on his way out of town I guess; or she doesn’t wash her face. Who knows?

  30. chachooga says: Dec 13, 2013 1:21 PM

    My opinion is there is a Civil Suit being set up. With the timing and the emphasis on an Independent Investigation that they know won’t happen…it allows a civil suit to be a “last resort”. And I am an FSU fan and a Winston Fan but he got himself into this and if she wins a civil suit, I don’t feel bad for him that is for sure.

    As far as criminal suit, there is a history with Meggs and FSU athletes. It is not a history of leniency (see Travis Johnson). With all the media attention, if there was a shred of evidence that allowed him to bring it to trial, he would have. So when Carroll blasts Meggs, it seems like a reach.

    Either way this case…or possible case… has definitely taken the luster off our great season. I blame Winston for that.

    Go Noles!

  31. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 1:28 PM

    realfootballfan

    she isn’t… keeping up with her own amateur train of thought

    she stated that the boyfriend wasn’t in Tallahassee on 12/12/12…well the incident occurred on 12/07/12…

    she said the affidavits [Casher & Darby] made contradictory statements yet nothing they said was contradictory from anything they said previously…then she changed contradictory statement position to illegal video recording and deleting evidence…she wants him charged for the recording & deleting it when there is no evidence of the recording to use as evidence…can’t understand why the state attorney isn’t all over this smoking gun…

  32. eddienole says: Dec 13, 2013 1:29 PM

    Quit letting evidence and witness interviews get in the way of peoples opinions of guilt or innocence.
    There is a reason the SAO didn’t file charges. If he had the slightest bit of evidence Meggs would have charged Winston like he did Travis Johnson.

  33. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 13, 2013 1:34 PM

    So I just read the case report and I still hold the same opinion… I THINK it was probably consensual… but it’s far from being sure.

    The meat of the case is the 2 affidavits and the scientific data.

    The two affidavits carry little weight to me because if it were actually a sexual assault they would both be accessories so they obviously have a motive to lie and had ample time to get stories straight.

    The scientific data though seems to say that an assault may have occurred with the victim having several bruises on her body and arms. But again, it seems far from conclusive.

    It really does seem to boil down to he said she said.

  34. bgarrityirb says: Dec 13, 2013 1:34 PM

    Symptoms reported are consistent with the date rape drug?? Maybe, but they are more consistent with being a liar. Part of the reason there was nothing brought forward against winston is she changed her story four times in the matter of a few days. Now its “I took a shot from a big black guy” before it was “I was hit over the head at a party”. So which one is it, were you at a bar drinking or at a party and knocked unconscious? You can’t claim misconduct when you’ve been telling lies from the get go. The investigators have to be able to trust the accuser before they bring forth charges.

  35. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 1:36 PM

    chachooga

    I don’t think it realistic to say Winston put himself in this position.

    Ask yourself, how many 19 year old males, in a bar, being pursued by a female are going to say no, I won’t have sex with you…you’ll most likely accuse me of rape? And I don’t limit this to athletes, African Americans, any ethnicity…I mean any hetero male.

    All this he put himself in this position stuff is totally disingenuous…he’s a 19 year old male, 18 at the time of the alleged incident.

    And according to his & her witnesses she followed them out as they left, according to his eye witnesses she wasn’t invited but jumped into the cab…he thought he was getting a freebie…little did he know…

  36. erockfox says: Dec 13, 2013 1:45 PM

    Carroll said Meggs relied heavily on affidavits given by two of Winston’s teammates — Chris Casher and Ronald Darby — stating that the sexual encounter between Winston and the accuser was consensual. Carroll blasted the reliance on Casher and Darby’s affidavits, saying both players were unreliable and inconsistent in their statements.
    ————————————–

    Why are they both unreliable? Is it because they’re football players? Is it because they’re black? Is it because they were his roomate?

    If they fit her characteristics of being unreliable, based on “inconsitency”, then her client is just as, if not even more, unreliable.

  37. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 1:47 PM

    8to80texansblog

    exclude the affidavits, base only on science & the text messaging / time line. the accuser can’t have it both ways. there’s only from 12:50 – 1:45 where she isn’t texting with Monique Kessler. none of the texts mention anything about the assault. it’s to short a time 55 minutes, some of which was in the cab if they arrived around 1 AM at apartment, she was dropped off by 2 AM…to much had to happen all during this partial coma, the texts between 1:45 – 2 AM she’d still be with Winston? But waking up on back of scooter? Her testimony.

    FSU’s arch nemesis University of Florida validated the toxicology; no drugs, no date rape drugs, low blood alcohol content…her own friends say she wasn’t drunk or wasn’t that drunk… UF verified that they looked for drug metabolites as well…if anything was in her system they would have found at least traces of it or the by products after being metabolized by the body…what 4 -5 hours after ingestion.

    nothing really backs up any of the victims claims

  38. mogogo1 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:50 PM

    I know it’s the rage to be shameless these days, but you’d think she’d want to preserve what’s left of her reputation and fade away before she’s a household name wherever she goes. Even her own friend’s testimony undercuts her case. Not to mention her constantly shifting story with everything from drugs to a mystery head injury…with no evidence to support any of it.

    I suppose the plan may be a civil suit to grab some of his NFL money, but the facts will make that extremely difficult for her to win. More likely it’ll lead to even more details embarrassing to her. (Any bets this wasn’t the first football player she hooked up with, for example?)

  39. tictoccpthook says: Dec 13, 2013 2:11 PM

    Lot’s of talk questioning the victim; zero about FSU and their hero. That says it all. Penn State fired it’s president for failure to act, FSU is hyping for a Heisman.

  40. realfootballfan says: Dec 13, 2013 2:13 PM

    becauseisaysothatswhy,

    That’s what’s so annoying about this whole thing. Because of the sensitivity of the subject matter, people are afraid to call this what it is, a tall tale. She wasn’t drinking heavily, but she claims she was. She doesn’t know where she went, and I’ve lived in Tallahassee so if you’ve been there a couple of months, you know your way around and what’s what if you’re not drunk. No tlike you’re in the middle of some sprawling metropolis. Winston “rapes” her but apparently Casher “tries to save her” (even though now they’ve turned on him and he’s unreliable). Maybe she was drugged, except two different sources tested her blood and confirmed that’s a lie, too. Not to mention that if you ingest date rape drugs, you don’t wake up until sometime the next day. In addition, you claim to be heavily sedated, but you have DNA on your face consistent with someone who’s been giving dome. Then, on top of all this, her “rapist” is so polite to put on her clothes and take her home on his phantom scooter that no one knows exists. And the topper, her friend was the one who called police because she started this tall tale, not her. She just went with it and it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger until she stopped talking to the police until her aunt and the pedophile journalist decided to get on the case. If you read that back with no names attached, sounds like a Martian tale.

  41. realfootballfan says: Dec 13, 2013 2:18 PM

    tictoccpthook ,

    No one is questioning her. This is just the evidence that contradicts her official statements. But you keep grasping at those straws there.

  42. noaxetogrind says: Dec 13, 2013 2:44 PM

    Don’t really have anything scientific or legally to add to the discussion. Many on here have done a good job of it already. I am with the vast majority of posters on here who feel the decision to not file charges was correct based on the evidence and a rational approach to the veracity of the accusers story. However I do think some folks on here have voiced some valid opinions. Keeping in mind that it is an opinion, I do think Jameis bears some level of responsibility for this situation. He did act somewhat selfishly which allowed him to get into a situation which was avoidable. A situation that ultimately could have impacted his teammates. Contrary to what some posters have said on here, not all red blooded heterosexual males would have availed themselves of this opportunity. In addition to the way my parents raised me and my religious convictions I can tell you that my college coaches always warned us about these types of scenarios and to run from them. I am not saying that I always made the correct and moral choice when interacting in privacy with a woman during my college years but I can say that me, and most of my teammates, would not have put ourselves in this type of position. I apologize for the language, but most guys know better than to get involved with a girl pulling a train. If for no other reason than STD’s. I am not passing judgment on Jameis but I am also refuting the notion that Jameis is just a “guy being a guy”. Jameis doesn’t get propositioned anymore than Tim Tebow did, both of them are guys.

  43. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 2:50 PM

    tictoccpthook

    there’s a little thing called liability especially when you accuse someone of committing a crime…hence the accuser’s attorney not being willing to say that Winston “got away with rape” towards the end of today’s press conference when asked by a reporter if her position was that Winston got away with raping the victim. she stated point blank that she didn’t want to get sued…how’s that for confidence in the allegations?

    the state attorney & the police don’t think a crime was committed hence the questioning of the alleged victim. the search warrant for her call & text message records, the desire to see all the deleted social media; Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc…maybe the victim was acting suspicious by deleting her online social presence, maybe her text messages do not corroborate her claims etc…maybe they think she’s lying

    they don’t want to be liable for charging someone if there’s no evidence of a crime…there’s liability and if they go off half cocked making false claims, there is this other thing called damages…$$$$

  44. jimmy53 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:10 PM

    A lot of you just flat out don’t know what you’re talking about. You didn’t bother to read the report, and you haven’t been keeping up with the details of the case. You just come on here and spout off about what you’ve seen on an ESPN byline.

    Then you accuse Seminole fans of being biased—the difference is the Nole fans have been keeping up—did read the reports, and a lot of us live in Tallahassee, and know the people involved and their histories.

    Someone on here actually compared FSU to psu—YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT. This has zero to do with the university. Meggs has no biased towards the university, if you bothered to check out his history you would know that. But no, by all means go on and get your news from the scrolls at the bottom of the screen.

    Morons. He wasn’t charged. I’ll be interested to see how you would behave if someone from your intimate past went to the police and charged you with sexual battery—apparently no one would care whether you did it–or even charged with it–the public will just drag your name through the mud for absolutely no reason.

    That’s a sorry state of affair, and it says a lot about our society. The ignorance on these boards sometimes is just astounding.

  45. blackdonnelly says: Dec 13, 2013 3:11 PM

    I watched a bit of that silly news conference this morning (thanks ESPN for cutting away at the right time – the event had gotten ridiculous) Our lawyer came off as incredibly disorganized and seeking out the requisite 15 minutes, which sadly came and went some time ago. A personal injury lawyer with a serious and dedicated cocaine habit could’ve done a better job of “pleading the case” to the few media that actually did show up.

  46. noffy32 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:43 PM

    Court of public opinion is always wrong. I love the commentary by the arm chair lawyers on here. Most probably have a high school diploma at best.

  47. vincentbojackson says: Dec 13, 2013 4:06 PM

    Does this woman have a Heisman vote?

  48. mogogo1 says: Dec 13, 2013 4:09 PM

    tictoccpthook says:

    Lot’s of talk questioning the victim; zero about FSU and their hero. That says it all.
    _____________

    Really, all it says is you haven’t bothered to read the facts of the case. She says she was drunk but the blood tests and witnesses contradict her. She says she may have been drugged, but drug tests all came up negative. She thinks she maybe got hit in the head, but no injuries. She claims rape, but was happily texting with her friend all night long, both before and after the alleged attack. You could go on and on. She’s totally unbelievable.

  49. chachooga says: Dec 13, 2013 5:13 PM

    @becauseisaysothayswhy

    I really am a big fan of FSU and Winston. Alumni from the glory days of Weinke and playing in three straight title games.

    But I really don’t care. Yes I expect 19 year olds who are in a relationship not to have sex with someone else. In fact I would bet Jameis says it was a mistake, even without the rape charge.

    These things are a product of a society that has trivialized sex into a casual act sort of like kissing.

    It isn’t limited to athletes and really, I don’t feel bad for people who end up in scrutinized situations because of poor decisions.

    Hooking up with someone you meet in a bar is a poor decision.

    Go NOLES!

  50. happster says: Dec 13, 2013 5:48 PM

    That’s probably because he doesn’t want to investigate his own looming, BS civil case. Ride their coattails… waste their time shaking the trees to see if any rotten fruit drops.

  51. realfootballfan says: Dec 13, 2013 5:58 PM

    chachooga,

    Yea, cause none of this stuff was going on in the 50′s. News flash, just because people used to hide their dirty laundry behind closed doors doesn’t mean it didn’t exist back then. Just like back then, there are people who have casual sex, and there were people who did not. You can believe that’s change alot over the years if you like to keep those fairy tales viable. Just because the girls in high school who got knoccked up back then had to “go away” for a few months and now they just have the babies right in your face, it’s still not changing the underlying truth that this world is a big place full of people from all walks of life with different personalities that tick in different ways. Always has been.

  52. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 6:27 PM

    realfootballfan

    keep in mind the demographic of those that marry the first & only person they ever have sex with….

  53. ahp1016 says: Dec 13, 2013 6:38 PM

    “Carroll said she and the accuser’s family are not considering a civil suit against Winston at this time.”

    …They want to wait until after he signs his NFL contract before they bring a civil suit.

  54. jerrahsucks says: Dec 13, 2013 6:53 PM

    This tired bitch reveling in her 15 minutes, should really be helping niece instead of shaming her. Tell her to get off of her knees, or to swallow so DNA isn’t allover your face.

  55. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 7:12 PM

    One thing that I keep forgetting to mention is the text message the alleged victim claims to have received telling her to meet them out in front of the bar around 12:30 AM. The same text message Monique Kessler claims to have read & remembers it because it showed it came from a phone number not from a programmed contact in the alleged victims phone. The Search Warrant pulled all text messages and there is no text message telling her to meet them outside….I mean there are just pages & pages of text messages for days leading up to 12/07/2012 and there just is no record of any text message on 12/06 or 12/07 telling her to meet them out in front of the bar.

  56. Deb says: Dec 13, 2013 8:02 PM

    @becauseisayso …

    Even if there were such a text message … why would a woman meet a group of men who are strangers to her outside a bar just because they texted and asked her to do so? And how could they have texted and asked her to do so unless she gave them her phone number?

  57. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 13, 2013 8:17 PM

    Deb

    It’s in the affidavit, Chris Casher said that he was talking to her before she set her sights on Winston and that she gave him her phone number. That he joked with Winston at the bar that she gave him her phone number, that he met her first.

    Then in the alleged victim’s testimony & the testimony of Monique Kessler they say the victim got a text telling her to meet them out front. Then the victim asked Kessler, who allegedly saw this text message if she should go. Kessler allegedly told her “if you want to” because Kessler didn’t think the alleged victim was drunk.

    There is no text message in the many pages of text message records supplied by Verizon, Apple etc…

    Both affidavits; Darby & Casher say she followed them out as they were leaving, jumped in the cab uninvited.

    Nothing the alleged victim has said has checked out, can be verified.

  58. jrotundo8868 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:07 PM

    Updating the story with information that State’s Attorney Pam Bondi and Governor Scott have both stated that there is nothing new to warrant a special investigation would be appropriate. This, however, would not play into the desired story line. I wonder how quickly an update would be made if they had decided to investigate?

  59. realfootballfan says: Dec 14, 2013 12:47 AM

    becauseisaysothatswhy,

    Those don’t even exist. If you put those people to a lie detector test, 9 times out of 10, those “I married the only person I ever had sex with” people are lying, too. They were usually carrying on affairs behind each other’s backs. I had an ex-girlfriend with a mother who espoused many of these views, but when my ex grilled her on it and did a little digging (okay, I did a little stirring things up because I got tired of eharing about how us “shacking up kids were going to hell), woe and behold, mommy wasn’t so pure either. She’d screwed around with a few guys before she married that “one and only” and had an affair for years behind her father’s back before they got divorced. How many old time celebrities have we been treated to of their quiet infidelities and extramarital offspring. And you think the common people of that time were any better than them? Just saying, I grew up around people who I know for a fact are hypocrites because they romanticize a time that never was as they just practiced more discretion.

  60. becauseisaysothatswhy says: Dec 14, 2013 8:37 AM

    realfootballfan

    I couldn’t agree with you more. So many “do as I say, not as I do” types…that’s what I was eluding to as well. That so many casting the first stone were in no position to do so…passing judgment on something they to were guilty of…being hypocritical etc… and yes I also believe Winston and both his affidavits would pass polygraph tests where as I think the victim & some of her witnesses would fail. Not all of her witnesses but Monique Kessler I think would fail IE: Phantom text message etc…

    The main reason I think Winston’s witnesses would pass is that they & Winston are the only people involved with anything to lose. I don’t think they are lying and I don’t think either would lie to cover up a rape for Jameis if he committed one. Many of these athletes come from meager backgrounds, have worked their entire lives up to this point to get where they are and then suddenly, for an unproven 3rd string QB who had been on campus all of three months they are just going to risk everything?

  61. sillec28 says: Dec 14, 2013 4:49 PM

    Many here are missing the issue. It isn’t whether Winston is guilty of rape or not. That’s what should have been, but won’t be, determined by a jury. The issue is whether there was enough evidence to justify a charge and trial, which there unquestionably was.

    Does anyone really think that as a life-long Tallahassee resident, FSU graduate, and FSU football fan he would have had the courage to ruin FSU’s national championship hopes and Winston’s Heisman hopes by charging Winston? He would have become the most hated man in Tallahassee. And does anyone really think that a woman who engaged in consensual sex would immediately contact the police, then go to a hospital and subject herself to testing with a rape kit?

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