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Those complaining about Heisman voters leaving Winston off ballots are misguided

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A phony meme has circulated since Jameis Winston won the Heisman this past Saturday.

Namely, that the 115 Heisman voters who left the Florida State freshmen off their ballots are somehow defective people who have it in for the Seminoles quarterback.

Former Heisman winner Ricky Williams sure isn’t happy about it:

Williams is so certain that Winston deserved the honor that he has some doubts about the brains of those who didn’t see it that way.

“When you get a Heisman vote it doesn’t mean you’re intelligent or smart or anything like that,” Williams said with a smile on Monday when asked by HuffPost Live host Josh Zepps about the 115 voters who left Winston off their ballots

Blacksportsonline was also miffed:

“They really should make everyone who left him off the ballot explain themselves.”

Deadspin noted in its lede on Saturday that Winston was left off of 115 ballots, as if it was a particularly newsworthy point.

The problem with raising a stink about Winston being left off of that many ballots is that it’s a completely normal occurrence in Heisman voting. In fact, Winston was left off of fewer ballots than many past Heisman winners.

Barry Sanders, who was a landslide winner of the Heisman after producing one of the greatest seasons in college football history, was left off of 224 ballots in 1988.

Archie Griffin was left off over 200 ballots in 1975. Marcus Allen was left of off over 300 ballots in 1981. So was Herschel Walker in 1982.

So, please. Stop complaining about Winston being left off of these ballots. It’s something that happens to every Heisman winner.

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62 Responses to “Those complaining about Heisman voters leaving Winston off ballots are misguided”
  1. dcroz says: Dec 17, 2013 6:06 PM

    Wow, the guy wins by one of the largest margins ever, and there are those still not satisfied with the margin? I’m sure some didn’t vote for him because he’s a freshman, while you might find a few who legitimately thought there were three other guys more worthy. And, of course, I’m sure quite a few of them were still concerned over the rape allegations despite no charges being filed. Explain themselves, as if the award is an entitlement rather than an honor? Get serious.

  2. rutherej says: Dec 17, 2013 6:18 PM

    That is such a bad argument. Just because people in the past have done/made bad; stupid and/or irresponsible decisions does not make it ok. If anything it’s a sign that the system is flawed. I agree with Williams, if you’re watching football you should be able to at least recognize and and then acknowledge a great achievement. That doesn’t mean you have to vote that person #1 but to leave them off completely allows to many other factors to affect the outcome ie race, political, personal, etc.

  3. rutherej says: Dec 17, 2013 6:20 PM

    Addendum. The players you mentioned having been left off of so many ballots – I believe it’s no coincidence that they are all African-American!

  4. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 17, 2013 6:23 PM

    Why do you feel a need to defend these people? Interesting.

  5. barbeaux says: Dec 17, 2013 6:31 PM

    Archie griffin is white, idiot.

  6. pike573 says: Dec 17, 2013 6:48 PM

    That’s news to Archie Griffin

  7. dbldmr says: Dec 17, 2013 6:49 PM

    No, Sammy Sosa and Michael Jackson became white. Archie Griffin is most assuredly black.

  8. realfootballfan says: Dec 17, 2013 6:53 PM

    Barry Sanders, who was a landslide winner of the Heisman after producing one of the greatest seasons in college football history, was left off of 224 ballots in 1988.
    ——

    And you’re defending these people? If anything, it just underlines what the guy said about some people not needing to be voting when you have idiocy like that on display. Also, where did the guy bring up race? Just because it’s a website about black sports doesn’t mean it’s not pointing out a valid point anymore than College Football Talk could point out a valid point about pro basketball.

  9. ronm1963 says: Dec 17, 2013 6:57 PM

    Trusting your stats, Mr Huston, kudos to you for digging up the facts and producing a fine piece of journalism.

    We hear alot these days — and for the most part, rightfully so — about lousy blogging and it being the bane of good journalism in our nation today. But, while that may be appropriate in many cases, it doesn’t change the fact that when a good job of enterprising reportage does come along, it deserves praise.

    If not for your story, I must admit I probably would have gone along blissfully ignorant on the issue and wondered like so many others who the idiots were who neglected Mr Winston. Thanks to you, I instead now have the facts and the real story behind the story.

  10. fester73 says: Dec 17, 2013 7:07 PM

    I bet that woman he raped didn’t vote for him.

  11. ronm1963 says: Dec 17, 2013 7:09 PM

    @ barbeaux — Archie griffin is white, idiot.

    __________________________________

    barbeaux — After a post like that, punctuated with the dismissive “idiot,” I don’t think I would ever again have the guts to post anything. Either on this blog or possibly any other, using the name barbeaux. God, I hope you do not have children.

  12. ajarkoski says: Dec 17, 2013 7:20 PM

    When someone comes out and insists it is soooo obvious that everyone should have done as they did is the sign of the real idiot (and I don’t use that term loosely). A real good point is it is possible many didn’t see him play more than one game when they might have seen any of the others playing and doing wonderful athletic acts. Then you only depend on reports and highlights but they should vote as they see fit and not just follow the crowd. And there are convictions people can reasonably have like > No Freshmen on my ballot and/or no one with potential baggage than can tarnish the trophy (like Reggie Bush although I think the rape charges are much worse and the winner should carry themselves in an honorable manner and avoid trouble).
    And like DCROZ says, is this an entitlement or an honor to not only win but to get nominated. Take the honor and move on.

  13. Deb says: Dec 17, 2013 7:32 PM

    Really didn’t expect to learn anything new when I clicked over here to scan the comments, but by golly … Archie Griffin is white!

    That’s new!

  14. BrownsTown says: Dec 17, 2013 7:34 PM

    Think he meant Archie Bunker.

  15. auburntigers34 says: Dec 17, 2013 7:35 PM

    He won in a landslide. But going out of your way to find something to be offended over is standard operating procedure for a lot of people these days.

  16. auburntigers34 says: Dec 17, 2013 7:37 PM

    barbeaux says: Dec 17, 2013 6:31 PM

    Archie griffin is white, idiot.

    too….much….irony.

  17. irishdodger says: Dec 17, 2013 7:37 PM

    Can we quit calling him a Freshman? He’s a redshirt freshman…huge difference.

  18. Deb says: Dec 17, 2013 7:44 PM

    Okay, apology in advance for not knowing, but what was Manziel–a true freshman or a redshirt freshman?

  19. oldforester says: Dec 17, 2013 7:52 PM

    The Heisman Trust doesn’t even follow its own mission statement that the award is for excellence in football with “integrity”. Recommendation, start a new award for the best football player. Qualifications, win one of the best position player awards, Doak Walker Award, Nagrski, etc.. That becomes the pool of players you select your Heisman from. Would more equally represent all football positions, and certainly be a more honest representation of what we all are looking for. Lets start a poll now. All those in favor, thumbs up, opposed…….Vote now!!

  20. Deb says: Dec 17, 2013 8:06 PM

    Not to change the subject, but I’ve been switching back and forth between here and PFT the last few minutes and … I love it here. None of this hilarious Archie Griffin conversation would have been posted there because you’re not allowed to call anyone an “idiot” … or to remark on anyone being white … or African American … or to get into conversations with other commenters … or … or … or …

    I love it here.

  21. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 17, 2013 8:08 PM

    Hilarious.

  22. gmenfan1982 says: Dec 17, 2013 8:28 PM

    Just because it has happened a lot in the past doesn’t mean it’s not stupid. I agree with Ricky Williams. You’re an idiot if you didn’t vote him for first place.

  23. be4bama says: Dec 17, 2013 8:33 PM

    Deb it sounds like the posters on PFT are libs.

  24. mrlaloosh says: Dec 17, 2013 8:35 PM

    Why so many voters? Ridiculous.

  25. be4bama says: Dec 17, 2013 8:35 PM

    Oldforester 👍

  26. Deb says: Dec 17, 2013 8:44 PM

    @be4bama …

    Please … let’s not get political.

    Florio knows how to run a blog, but his has become so big, and he’s got fingers in so many pies that others now moderate PFT. And they approach it from a typical rigid corporate perspective.

  27. tigersfandan says: Dec 17, 2013 9:02 PM

    Sad that it’s becoming impossible to hold a minority viewpoint without being labelled an ‘idiot’.

  28. be4bama says: Dec 17, 2013 9:05 PM

    You’re right Deb….I should of said something like….I would not enjoy a group where everyone is easily offended, likes to whine, and complain. The grammar nazi in here are bad enough.

  29. alligatorsnapper says: Dec 17, 2013 9:11 PM

    After the day I had, I needed to turn to this blog. This is funny stuff. I needed to laugh.

    I guess Archie’s skin color would be a revelation to his parents and siblings, all those who coached him and played with him, and against him. Maybe he suffered from a skin disease and followed the treatment Michael Jackson did?

    I don’t need no TV comedy. This stuff is better!

  30. irishdodger says: Dec 17, 2013 9:26 PM

    @Deb:

    Manziel was a RS Freshman. He enrolled early in the Spring of 2011 and red-shirted his freshman season. He came back in his second season at TAMU to turn in his historic Heisman season last year. There has never been a TRUE freshman that won the Heisman. I think Adrian Petersen & Herschel Walker were the closest…& both probably deserved it.

  31. irishdodger says: Dec 17, 2013 9:30 PM

    @be4bama

    Florio is worse than the posters at injecting his political leanings into his blogs.

    be4bama | Dec 17, 2013, 7:33 PM CST
    Deb it sounds like the posters on PFT are libs.

  32. auburntigers34 says: Dec 17, 2013 9:41 PM

    Deb,

    ITA about CFT>PFT. Florio deletes anything and everything that he disagrees with and he has no peers when it comes to beating dead horses. Then there’s his political crusades. I can’t stand the guy.

  33. John Taylor says: Dec 17, 2013 9:57 PM

    I love it here.

    And we love having you here, Deb. :-)

  34. Deb says: Dec 17, 2013 10:41 PM

    @JT …

    Thank you!!! You know you are one of my favorite people anywhere!! :)

  35. boomgrounder says: Dec 17, 2013 10:47 PM

    This Just In: Ricky Williams ain’t no Rocket Scientist!

  36. Deb says: Dec 17, 2013 10:57 PM

    @auburntigers34 …

    You may not like Florio’s viewpoints, but he’s not personally deleting anything. I was knew the person originally responsible for overseeing the moderators and interact regularly with their current supervisor. And in fairness, they don’t have an easy job. The issue is a difference in philosophy about how to deal with the audience. I prefer JT’s philosophy of creating a community where people can express themselves freely as long as they don’t abuse the privilege.

    As for Florio … he can be annoying but you have to respect a fan like the rest of us, with no sportswriting experience, who created a Web site in his spare time and turned it into a media empire. He beats things to death because those stories generate page clicks and that generates ad revenue. Wish I’d thought of it first :)

  37. longtallsam says: Dec 17, 2013 11:03 PM

    From what was said in this article, apparently Winston was left off fewer ballots than most winners, even less than Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker. I would love to see a list of all the previous winners and how many ballots they were left off.

    Another point, I think some folks are confused about the number of players the voters can vote for. They only vote for a first, second and third.

    From something I saw on another blog, some folks apparently think the voters vote for a top ten, since the top ten vote getters are listed in the results!

  38. gmenfan1982 says: Dec 17, 2013 11:37 PM

    Nothing wrong with a “minority” opinion, but c’mon, how could anyone not have Winston number 1? It’s as obvious as it gets that he was the most game changing player in CFB. I’m a Notre Dame fan and even I think he was hands down the most outstanding player.

  39. smcgaels1997 says: Dec 18, 2013 2:09 AM

    Raping a girl tends to turn some folks off

  40. vincentbojackson says: Dec 18, 2013 8:15 AM

    Heisman voters in the 1970’s and 1980’s didn’t necessarily have the ability to watch any or all of the games that Archie Griffin and Herschel Walker played in. Depending on where you live you may have only had access to one or two game per week.

    With every game now televised there is no such excuse for voters these days.

    There’s no crime in not voting for Winston, but leaving him off entirely when he wins in a landslide suggests either ignorance or bias. Neither trait is positive for a Heisman voter.

  41. 1509lucky says: Dec 18, 2013 8:36 AM

    smcgaels1997 | Dec 18, 2013, 2:09 AM EST
    Raping a girl tends to turn some folks off

    Really? Were you or any of the other 115 folks in the room when this took place,because if so,then please enlighten us,if not STFU

  42. hor2012 says: Dec 18, 2013 12:27 PM

    Barry Sanders, Marcus Allen, Archie Griffin, Herschel Walker, I guess they had a issue with RBs winning the trophy. I mean that looks like the only thing they all had in common

  43. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 18, 2013 12:29 PM

    auburntigers34 says: Dec 17, 2013 9:41 PM

    Deb,

    ITA about CFT>PFT. Florio deletes anything and everything that he disagrees with and he has no peers when it comes to beating dead horses. Then there’s his political crusades. I can’t stand the guy.
    _______________

    I’ll attest to that! I have had SO many posts deleted for attacking things like posting hot college football topics on PFT just to get the clickthroughs…

    Plus I’m now convinced that there are several posters that seem completely insane that are run by the blog just to drum up retaliatory posts. (ie @logicalvoicesays)

  44. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 18, 2013 12:30 PM

    barbeaux says: Dec 17, 2013 6:31 PM

    Archie griffin is white, idiot.
    __________________

    I think you’re thinking of Peter Griffin….

  45. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 18, 2013 12:34 PM

    And those complaining about him being left off ballots need to chill out.

    Like it or not, he was accused of rape…. just because he’s not being charged doesn’t mean he’s innocent or even that the SA thinks he’s innocent, it just means there isn’t enough evidence to be sure either way.

    If I had a vote I would have voted for him but, I can completely understand voters taking some pause there.

  46. Deb says: Dec 18, 2013 2:18 PM

    @8to80texansblog …

    Felt bad for slamming the PFT moderators and tried to throw them a little understanding in my post to auburntigers34. Based on my morning, that was a big mistake. Huge. (Beating head against keyboard.) Of course, posting to them that they need to be spanked probably didn’t help ;)

    And I agree with you about those trolls. Some of the weirdest, most obnoxious commenters seem to have full run of the place.

  47. thepftpaperchase says: Dec 18, 2013 2:35 PM

    8to80texansblog:
    Plus I’m now convinced that there are several posters that seem completely insane that are run by the blog just to drum up retaliatory posts. (ie @logicalvoicesays).
    __________________________________I’m glad I’m not the only one who has thought the same thing. I’m sure there are other posters who feel likewise. Have you ever noticed how quickly (within minutes) some of these posts show up? Some of the responses are several paragraphs long. I could never figure out how the person could read the original post (most of them MF’s) and have time to type a response in a matter of minutes. Must be speed readers and typers, LOL.

  48. cobibones13 says: Dec 18, 2013 3:17 PM

    This story is very misleading. 1st of all there were a lot more votes for the Heisman back then, so % wise he was left off more ballots.

    Also there was no internet and youtube for everyone. Heck there were barely any sports channels on TV back then so many voters couldn’t watch a lot of games by players in different areas.

    Winston was left off more ballots than Cam Newton, even though Newton was caught red handed stealing someone’s laptop, and was caught cheating in school at UF(nevermind what his dad was up to).

    Johnny Rogers won the Heisman after he was convicted of a felony and no one has been crying about integrity since 1972. But I guess giving the award now to a guy who’s never been charged with a crime is terrible.

    This was a year when there was no legit #2 or #3 contender so you can’t BS about why he was left off.

  49. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 18, 2013 3:19 PM

    @pftpaperchase

    @logicalvoicesays is almost always the first to post when he/she posts. He/she never responds to other posters. The things he/she says no one could ever say with a straight face… these types of just way out there, in your face types of comments lead to all sorts of retaliatory comments which increases click-throughs… which is essentially how websites get graded by advertisers.

    It’s an interesting strategy if they are truly doing it…

    The list of handles I think so far that are PFT run
    @logicalvoicesays
    @thepftpoet
    @The Cowboys Are Gods Team
    … to be continued.

  50. cobibones13 says: Dec 18, 2013 3:23 PM

    8to80texansblog says: Dec 18, 2013 12:34 PM

    And those complaining about him being left off ballots need to chill out.

    Like it or not, he was accused of rape…. just because he’s not being charged doesn’t mean he’s innocent or even that the SA thinks he’s innocent, it just means there isn’t enough evidence to be sure either way.

    If I had a vote I would have voted for him but, I can completely understand voters taking some pause there.

    ———————-

    No he is innocent. It’s innocent until PROVEN GUILTY in this country. If you don’t think he’s innocent go talk to the Florida State Attorney’s Office and give them that extra evidence you have.

  51. Deb says: Dec 18, 2013 3:36 PM

    @8to80texansblog …

    JoeMontanaFlacco, a troll who gets carte blanche on the Steelers threads. Steelers regulars are censored up and down the threads no matter how reasonable their posts might be, but JMF can easily get 10-12 comments posted per article–all saying essentially the same thing. His comments are always trollish, childish, and provocative … yet grammatically correct :)

    I’m at war with the moderators today. Wish the earth would open and swallow them.

  52. seabronco says: Dec 18, 2013 4:12 PM

    He should have been left off of way more!

  53. doctorlb says: Dec 18, 2013 4:43 PM

    cobibones13
    You are entitled to your opinions but not your own set of facts.
    1. Voters have the choice of which THREE players they wish to rank 1, 2, 3. There are a number of people that don’t think JW was the best player, particularly in this group. Think about swapping QBs between their teams and see what you think would have happened. Manziel on FSU would have outdone JW. JW on A&M would have done worse than JM. McCarron has the best career performance. There were some very good players in the mix.
    2. Cam did not steal a laptop at UF, he bought one cheap and realized it might be fishy when the cops came to check it out. He threw it in the dumpster. Stupid mistake for a freshman. Cheating was alleged, but not proven. (Allegations are cheap, you know) The NCAA investigated out the wazoo (and into the wazoo, as well!) and cleared Cam. You post smells of jealousy.
    3. JW is assumed innocent of rape, but is admittedly guilty of some fairly negative “actions” that would not meet the Heisman Trust mission statement. Regardless, he may or may not face a civil suit and could later be charged criminally – we don’t know.

  54. auburntigers34 says: Dec 18, 2013 5:00 PM

    Deb,

    Hate to hear that you’re having a bad day on PFT. What bothers me the most about PFT is that Florio is an obvious troll that runs his site like a tyrant.

    He can write/post an article that is littered with inaccuracies and/or lacking facts that support the side that he disagrees with and then deletes(whether it’s actually him deleting them or one of his mods) anything most ,if not all, attempts in the comment section that attempt to bring those facts into the discussion.

    It’s his site. He can run it anyway that he likes, but I’ll never have any respect for a clown like him.

  55. Deb says: Dec 18, 2013 5:24 PM

    @auburntigers34 …

    After the day I’ve had with those little jerks, if you said let’s get the pitchforks, tar, and feathers … I’d say “You betcha!!!”

    Supposedly the moderators are directed and supervised by NBC. But at this point, I’m having trouble understanding how a corporation of that caliber could allow some of the junior high antics going on over there completely unchecked. Then again … look at Enron.

    Finally just told them they’re not good people and what goes around comes around, then deleted all my PFT bookmarks. Feeble … but that was all I had left :) Will just stay off the site through the holidays. Not worth it.

  56. rutherej says: Dec 18, 2013 5:32 PM

    I am simply stating that the heisman voting system is severely flawed. It really needs to be revamped, but people get stuck in their ways/tradition and refuse to change or alter how things are done.

  57. stopthemadness101 says: Dec 18, 2013 5:41 PM

    Screw that. JW should have been unanimous. Maybe next year he will be. Suck it haters

  58. gborange says: Dec 18, 2013 7:36 PM

    I’m sure it was all about his race. Maybe one day we will break this vicious intolerant cycle and award the heisman to an African American and maybe someday, just maybe, elect a black president !

  59. ozarkannie74 says: Dec 19, 2013 11:19 AM

    It would be interesting to know the percentage of black Heisman winners as compared to white – I kinda think it would be a much higher percentage. It has nothing to do with race – get over it!

  60. dhardy8207 says: Dec 20, 2013 7:07 PM

    Nevermind Winston, how could anyone leave Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker off?!?

    Not taking away from the season Winston had but good grief to leave either of these two RB off is just unexplainable.

  61. dhardy8207 says: Dec 20, 2013 7:15 PM

    Also, since the voters of the Heisman award are a majority of past winners and of course the USA being a FREE country, it is absolutely their right to vote the way they want without being scrutinized. Furthermore, he WON so the fact that every Heisman voter didn’t have him as # 1 or chose to leave him off totally is really irrelevant.

    How about just being honored for being the receipient of the award and let it go!!!!

  62. cobibones13 says: Dec 24, 2013 7:36 PM

    doctorlb says:
    Dec 18, 2013 4:43 PM
    cobibones13
    You are entitled to your opinions but not your own set of facts.
    1. Voters have the choice of which THREE players they wish to rank 1, 2, 3. There are a number of people that don’t think JW was the best player, particularly in this group. Think about swapping QBs between their teams and see what you think would have happened. Manziel on FSU would have outdone JW. JW on A&M would have done worse than JM. McCarron has the best career performance. There were some very good players in the mix.
    2. Cam did not steal a laptop at UF, he bought one cheap and realized it might be fishy when the cops came to check it out. He threw it in the dumpster. Stupid mistake for a freshman. Cheating was alleged, but not proven. (Allegations are cheap, you know) The NCAA investigated out the wazoo (and into the wazoo, as well!) and cleared Cam. You post smells of jealousy.
    3. JW is assumed innocent of rape, but is admittedly guilty of some fairly negative “actions” that would not meet the Heisman Trust mission statement. Regardless, he may or may not face a civil suit and could later be charged criminally – we don’t know.

    ————————-

    1. list all of those people that thought Winston wasn’t a top 3 college football player this year. No one came close. McCarron had a better season last year and was in the NCG, but he wasn’t even top 10 last year

    Swapping QBs, complete nonsense. FSU had the exact same team last year with a 5th year senior QB that went in the 1st round and he didn’t have half the season Winston had.

    You only talked about 2 other guys so you can’t even come up with 3 guys and you are trying to.

    2. No, Cam did steal a laptop. There were even witnesses that saw him throwing it away when police knocked on his door. His “story” was that he bought it and coincedentally happened to not have a shred of evidence to back it up. He ended up pleading to a lesser charge because it he didn’t have a record as an adult. If he was innocent and had facts to back it up why did he plead to a lesser charge.

    The NCAA investigated his father about bribing, not looking into cheating allegations. Irving Meyer is were it came from but I’m sure he just made up complete lies out of nowhere, I’m sure that looks good to future recruits.

    3. All Winston did was have sex with someone when he was in college. So no, he didn’t do anything wrong. And he has as much integrity as anyone playing college football.

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