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LSU AD says SEC schedule format will not change

Desmond King, Jeremy Hill AP

Forget about moving to nine-conference games in the SEC. Just getting the current eight-game format to change is enough of a chore. LSU Athletics Director Joe Alleva says the athletic directors in the SEC are not likely to budge on the current scheduling format that calls for six division games, one permanent crossover match-up and a rotating spot for the eighth game.

“The ADs will not change their votes,” Alleva said, according to The Advocate. “The only hope for change is for the (SEC) presidents to realize it’s not an equitable schedule. They have to have the foresight and wisdom to change it.”

Alleva and head coach Les Miles are stumping to change the eight-game scheduling formula that would eliminate the permanent crossover match-ups and allow for two rotating opponents on the schedule. The simple solution would seem to be moving to a nine-game scheduling format, as the Pac 12 and Big 12 currently use. The Big Ten will move to a nine-game format in 2016. The ACC uses an eight-game conference schedule, not including guaranteed games with Notre Dame, and has been discussing options for future scheduling plans. As Alleva notes, the SEC moving to a nine-game schedule is not ideal for the conference because it means adding one more loss for a number of teams, perhaps costing a school a shot at a postseason game.

“That means seven more losses for certain teams,” Alleva said. Seven losses in a 12-game schedule means a school would be ineligible for postseason play with a losing record. No bowl game means no bowl payout for the school and the conference.

It’s always about the money, right? If that is going to be the case, how the SEC Network influences the philosophy of the ADs around the SEC should be of interest in the coming months.

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  1. cometkazie says: Mar 19, 2014 6:49 PM

    Nice to hear something that makes sense.

  2. mydixienormus says: Mar 19, 2014 7:21 PM

    Queue the knuckle draggers who will tell us that 8 SEC conference games are harder than 9 of any other conference.

    Question, what do Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Florida and the Mississippi Community Colleges have in common?

  3. suprmous says: Mar 19, 2014 10:27 PM

    And Bama will be wantin to know why did Saban agree to have us do like everybody else tryin to show he wants upmanship over em? You just know he’ll be whistlin “Anything You Can Do I Can Do Better”.

  4. imaduffer says: Mar 20, 2014 12:22 AM

    Which means, that in late November they will play a FCS team and then have a bye week. That way there is no way any SEC team will drop in the polls.

  5. alligatorsnapper says: Mar 20, 2014 12:27 AM

    This permanent cross-over intra-division opponent is dumb. The SEC is expanding so to allow players who remain for 4 years on their team the opportunity to play all SEC opponents during that time, is appropriate and will eliminate the skewed schedules that come out the Scheduling Department at Alabama SEC in Birmingham.

    If the SEC wants to be competitive with other conferences, they will need to go to a 9 game SEC schedule within the next few years.

  6. manik56 says: Mar 20, 2014 12:45 AM

    Scared

  7. Professor Fate says: Mar 20, 2014 1:26 AM

    Once upon a time seven or eight conference games wasn’t a problem when there were only eight or ten teams in the conference. Some conferences are now 14 teams and many conferences will likely become even larger.

    Assuming a maximum of 12 games in the regular season, perhaps the NCAA should consider requiring a minimum number of conference games. It could be on a percentage basis or something like requiring every team in a conference to play every other team in the conference at least once every two years.

    That might limit future conference expansion, but not playing some teams in the conference for two or three years in a row is certainly not an equitable situation. It would certainly reduce OOC games and thus limit the number of times an FBS school could pad its schedule with FCS teams.

    If the conference is big enough to be split into divisions then a minimum required number of conference games could insure that teams play at least a couple of games on a rotating basis against teams in the other division. If college football should go in the direction of super conferences it might eliminate all FBS/FCS matchups. In my opinion that would be a good thing.

  8. longborer69 says: Mar 20, 2014 4:25 AM

    Well, at least they are being honest about it. The eight game schedule gives them an advantage in getting into bowls over other major conferences. That wouldn’t be the case if they were at risk of losing those OOC games, would it? So they are admitting, right up front, that they are scheduling an extra OOC cupcake to give them a better chance to get in bowls.

    And then, they’ll claim that they are obviously better because they have more bowl-eligible teams and a better OOC record. But that better OOC record comes from an extra cupcake on the schedule. That’s what it is all about.

    “We don’t want a level playing field. We like having an advantage.”

    Really, really looking forward to the year when their conference champion has two losses, and gets left out of the playoffs because of playing a pathetic OOC schedule.

    And full credit to schools like Tennessee and (going forward) TAM, who schedule real home and homes against real OOC opponents. It’s not every SEC school that loads up on cupcakes.

  9. germanflats13a38 says: Mar 20, 2014 7:11 AM

    If your conference is split into division their is absolutely no equitable competition-based scheduling formula, as long as each team plays only a fraction of the teams in the other devision.

    If you want schedules with true competitive value, then the NCAA needs 6 conferences of 16 teams. Each team only plays it’s division. Then each team must play at least 1 team from each of the other conferences. There is your 12 game schedule.

    The winner of each division play goes to the conference championship.

    This allows for a statistically sufficient number of games between conferences to accurately gauge SOS and strength of conference. It is then possible to pick the 4 best teams out of the 6 champions, for a 2 game playoff.

    Their are too many college teams 120+ to come up with a more equitable system, unless you are willing to make these college kids play more than 15 games.

    Non-playoff bound teams may still go to a bowl, but against a team that is identified by a formula that is used to match teams based on conference SOS and competitive balance.

    This way the max number of games college kids have to play is capped at 15 for the champ. Conference champions get 14, bowl eligible teams get 13.

    Their is no competitive value in a system that permits for the possibility of playing a team twice. Any such system is more concerned with determining a champion, than with determining who is the best team. It could also have money as it’s motivating factor. Cross-Divisional games are about money.

    PAC-12 plays 9 conference games because of costs and the difficult travel schedules (and extra costs) that schools in the west must incur.

    BIG-12 plays 9 conference games because they only have 10 teams.

    BIG-10 is moving to 9 conference games so they can claim to be like PAC-12, their brother conference.

    Which reminds me of the PAC-12/BIG-10 nepotism rule.

    I do not believe that the PAC-12 and BIG-10 care about competitive schedules or true competitive value. Their history is the story of impediment. They have continued to hoard games & bowls between themselves to the exclusion of every other team. Even today they would prefer to play small schools, each other, or Notre Dame during the season. While their are obviously exceptions, the vast majority of their OOC games are dedicated only to each other. Furthermore, they would prefer that the Rose Bowl become limited to only them, so they can continue to monopolize college football.

    It was the BCS that finally broke the walls of much of the PAC/BIG monopoly that allowed other conferences to flourish. Otherwise, we return to the day when the PAC-12 hides out west, calling themselves the only good conference, who occasionally invites the BIG-10 to come challenge its best teams in its own Bowl game.

    PAC-12 and BIG-10 were the best conferences from 1915-1940, but that started to change in the 80’s. It was crushed when the three Florida schools became powerhouses from 1980’s through 2000.

  10. bender4700 says: Mar 20, 2014 10:27 AM

    The SEC will never stop doing what has helped them be successful for so many years. It’s not even mentioned in this article.

    The SEC has and will always do what they can to ensure their top 3 teams are as close to the top as possible, and it has worked.

    So why would they threaten that? Why even toy with that?

    You think the SEC wins 7 in a row without their little, under appreciated advantage? Their TRUE advantage? One other conferences could, and SHOULD start doing too?

    Please.

    The SEC is David Blaine, and most of the media and fans are the idiots who think he’s really floating.

  11. chunkala says: Mar 20, 2014 10:36 AM

    Big Ten and Pac 12 play small schools? What are you smoking? Some of those teams have never played FCS teams and the Big Ten has decided to ban playing them in the future. These 26 schools only want to play solid teams but they also want some reciprocation from southern schools – like playing in the North in November, etc.
    I like the SEC but their fear of playing quality OOC games is alarming. I think the solution is an NFL Lite (70-80 teams tops) where teams dont get penalized for quality OOC games and that only conference games count towards making the playoffs (because theyll be assigned spots per conference). 8 teams, 4 auto-births (I want 2 conferences to merge) and 4 at large births determined by selection committee.

  12. footballgenius101 says: Mar 20, 2014 10:51 AM

    @mydixienormus :

    I didn’t want to blanket-like your post, but the following phrases deserve honorable mention:

    “Queue the knuckle draggers”

    “Mississippi Community Colleges”

    Oh yeah, and the “mydixienormus” gets a like too.

    ————————

    I sorta agree with your point, but already an SEC team could possibly play 5 top-15 teams in a season, going to nine could make it 6. What other conference has this problem?

  13. germanflats13a38 says: Mar 20, 2014 11:08 AM

    Average Temperatures in November:
    Flint, MI = 32-47 degrees
    Knoxville, TN = 38-60 degrees
    Greenbay, WI = 27-42 degrees
    Montgomery, AL = 44-68 degrees
    Dayton, OH = 34-51 degrees
    Little Rock, AR = 41-63 degrees
    Ft. Wayne, IN = 33-50 degrees
    LA, CA = 54-70 degrees
    San Francisco, CA = 48-62 degrees
    Eugene, OR = 40-53 degrees

    This isn’t the NFL THAT IS PLAYING GAMES IN December and January when the temperature is 10-15 degrees colder (20) for Greenbay, WI. Not sure I find a significance in these November temperatures.

    SIDE NOTE:
    BIG-10 only wants to play conference games and/or Notre Dame in November. So how is the SEC ever going to get a game scheduled during that time. BIG likes to start the season with 3 easy OOC games within their first 4. If they go to 9 games, they will only have room for 3 OOC and I would expect for them to continue playing 2 easy games.

    These teams appear on the schedules for the BIG/PAC:
    N. Iowa, W. Kentucky, Bowling Green, James Madison, Miami-OH, San Jose St., Akron, C.Michigan, Navy, W. Illinois, Nevada, New Mexico, Hawaii, Wyoming, Army, Fresno St., and E. Washington.

    Each conference teams plays two such games, then they like to play Notre Dame and a team from the others conference. The BIG also likes to grab games with Syracuse, while PAC likes to grab BYU.

    Taking 5 of the 7 SOS formats, this was last years result:
    1. BIG – average 42.8 / median 45.5
    2. SEC – average 19.1 / median 15.75
    3. PAC – average 16.1 / median 12.5

    PAC playing 9 conference games +1 big OOC game makes a large difference.

  14. germanflats13a38 says: Mar 20, 2014 11:10 AM

    Sorry for large section of all caps. I’m traveling and typing from the phone. Completely missed it.

  15. 8to80texansblog says: Mar 20, 2014 11:30 AM

    mydixienormus says:
    Mar 19, 2014 7:21 PM

    Queue the knuckle draggers who will tell us that 8 SEC conference games are harder than 9 of any other conference.

    Question, what do Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Florida and the Mississippi Community Colleges have in common?
    ___________________________

    Two of those teams have won titles in the BCS era, one of them won 2… one of them won 9 games the last 2 years, another was in a BCS game in 2013, another of them went on the road to Austin and beat the snot out of them.

  16. 8to80texansblog says: Mar 20, 2014 11:34 AM

    imaduffer says:
    Mar 20, 2014 12:22 AM

    Which means, that in late November they will play a FCS team and then have a bye week. That way there is no way any SEC team will drop in the polls.
    _________________________

    Bama lost to A&M in November of 2012….

  17. imaduffer says: Mar 20, 2014 2:19 PM

    8to8,

    Nov. 23, 2013 Alabama played…………..

    Chattanooga

  18. germanflats13a38 says: Mar 20, 2014 2:41 PM

    1st GAME OF THE SEASON – SEC

    Bama v W. Virginia
    Arkansas v Auburn
    Florida v Idaho
    Georgia v Clemson
    UK v Tenn. Martin
    LSU v Wisconsin
    Miss. St. v Southern Miss.
    Missouri v S. Dakota St.
    Ole Miss. v Boise St.
    S. Carolina v Texas A&M
    Tennessee v Utah St.
    Vanderbilt v Temple

    1st GAME OF THE SEASON – PAC/BIG-10

    Iowa v N. Iowa
    Illinois v Youngstown State
    Indiana v Indiana State
    Ohio State v Navy
    Maryland v James Madison
    Michigan v Appalachian State
    Michigan State v Jacksonville State
    Minnesota v Eastern Illinois
    Nebraska v FAU
    Northwestern v California
    Penn St. v UCF
    Purdue v Western Michigan
    Rutgers v Washington State
    Arizona v UNLV
    Arizona State v Weber State
    Colorado v Colorado State
    Oregon v South Dakota
    Oregon State v Portland State
    Stanford the UC Davis
    UCLA v Virginia
    USC v Fresno State
    Utah v Idaho State
    Washington v Hawaii

    The SEC plays seven games involving major conference teams, Big Ten and PAC-12 combined play seven games involving major conference teams.

    @imaduffer

    By your logic the non-SEC teams are looking for an easy way to pad the schedule. Are you saying that this should be treated as a bye week, or that they take a bye after the easy game. Based on what I’m looking at, the SEC teams play their rivalry game after the easy game. They don’t get an easy game and a bye before the conference championship game.

  19. imaduffer says: Mar 20, 2014 4:02 PM

    flats,

    What I’m saying is it is easier to gain spots in the polls if you lose games at the beginning of the season than at the end. Not all SEC teams play FCS teams at the end of the season but some do. ie. Alabama, South Carolina. 2013.
    Also most conferences once they start conference play they don’t play FCS teams.

  20. normtide says: Mar 20, 2014 5:46 PM

    First off, given the recent success and universal acclaim, why would the SEC want to change? If it did, most of you would have to come up with new excuses. They are actually saving you the trouble.

    I wouldn’t mind a nine game schedule, and with the new network it probably will happen. The permanent rivals won’t change though. Only two teams want to end it. Both are usually looking for someone to help them win a league title. For the record, LSU is afraid of Florida. Florida is on record as saying the are not afraid of LSU. UT was better than Florida this year, so it sort of hurts that argument.

    Let’s be clear, other leagues are changing in an effort to catch up with the SEC. The SEC doesn’t have to chase any other league. As for the excuses, there always going to be there. Excuses make it ok to not actually work to be the best. SEC will get one and probably two teams in the playoff.

    What happened to LSU fans? In 2011 they bragged about playing tough teams. But, since the title game that year, they seem to have changed their tune. The format hasn’t cost you a shot in the title game. I miss the cocky LSU fans…

  21. suprmous says: Mar 21, 2014 11:25 PM

    Normtide, this cocky LSU fan just got thru havin surgery so I couldn’t subscribe to the blogs while I was gone. That said I’m sure some were elated but let me say honestly I would’ve much rather been on here than havin the surgery and now recoverin from it. The Former LSU MIA Fan who missed all of you wonderful people.

  22. cometkazie says: Mar 22, 2014 12:05 PM

    Suprmous, there really hasn’t been much of any news for we NCAA football fans, so you really haven’t missed anything.

    I hope your recovery is speedy and complete and I’m sure the rest of us do, too!

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