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Jameis Winston’s baseball suspension comes to an end

Jameis Winston Crab Legs

Well, as expected, that certainly didn’t take long.

Four days ago, Florida State baseball manager Mike Martin announced that Jameis Winston had been indefinitely suspended from his squad after the two-sport star was cited for shoplifting seafood from a local supermarket.  The suspension, which was endorsed by FSU football head coach Jimbo Fisher, would remain in place until the reigning Heisman Trophy winner completed 20 hours of community service required on the legal side of the equation.

Martin confirmed to the Tallahassee Democrat Sunday that Winston has been “reinstated” after “[h]e finished his community service” earlier in the day. Winston came straight from completing that stipulation in his citation and was in his baseball uniform for the Seminoles’ game against Minnesota.

The baseball suspension is expected to be the extent of punishment Winston will be facing from the athletic department as the player will not be on the receiving end of any type of punitive measures from his football coach.

As the Orlando Sentinel wrote, Winston’s “citation is not a criminal offense and does not require a suspension under FSU athletics’ code of conduct, but Martin and football coach Jimbo Fisher released statements indicating it was best for Winston to be removed from baseball play until he fulfilled all his legal obligations.”

Winston had apologized for the imbroglio in a lengthy statement for his “youthful ignorance” and understanding “that I am in the public spotlight and my conduct needs to be above reproach.”

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  1. blacknole08 says: May 4, 2014 6:16 PM

    He did the crime, he served his punishment.

    Haters will hate however.

  2. mauldawg says: May 4, 2014 6:25 PM

    Just another thug who will throw away his gift. JF will kiss his ass and welcome him back with open arms.

  3. dhardy8207 says: May 4, 2014 6:26 PM

    “Winston’s “citation is not a criminal offense”

    Well then I bet there are a lot of theives in prison or jail right now that need to know they didn’t commit a criminal offense and were incarerated for nothing!

    Since when is theft not a crime? They should just go ahead and give him the keys to the city of Tallahassee as everyone can see as long as he’s tossing a pig skin for FSU he can do no wrong….

  4. irishmanknowsall says: May 4, 2014 6:35 PM

    That’s one hell of a college code of conduct for athletes. ” If you are caught shoplifting, you will serve a short suspension and then be re-instated, so don’t worry about anything. You help bring in millions to this university’s athletic department, which in turn pays for all other sports, so you are above reproach. Please, however, do not commit murder.”
    Wow.

  5. monsterright says: May 4, 2014 6:49 PM

    Sell your own things – 5 games to 1 year
    Steal someone else’s things – 4 days during the offseason

    Good to know.

  6. gatiger says: May 4, 2014 6:54 PM

    @monsterright

    The difference…one violation was of NCAA rules. Result swift and harsh.

    Winston only violated the Law. Far less stringent penalties.

    Dude….you have a point.

  7. Professor Fate says: May 4, 2014 7:05 PM

    It never ceases to amaze me how quickly, and favorably, the wheels of justice turn for the rich and/or famous.

  8. musketmaniac says: May 4, 2014 7:12 PM

    Next it will be a player committing a hard felony around Halloween, and the coach will come out for the press conference and look the media dead in the eye and Say` he is a good young man, this incident will help develop character, he will be officially suspend for next Thursday chess challenge, and we will go from there.,` Next step is for the ncaa to sanction basket weaving, water polo, and checkers and we will never accuse the ncaa for not punishing their athletes again.

  9. tigersdawgs says: May 4, 2014 7:19 PM

    As for me, I would personally be embarrassed to play in front of anyone in any sport, you know they are talking and making fun of you! I would feel like a complete fool! But thats just how I was raised….. Some people have no shame!

  10. gatorfan1 says: May 4, 2014 7:51 PM

    Let me get this straight – 20 hours of community service in 3 days. Yeah Ok!!

  11. polegojim says: May 4, 2014 8:02 PM

    So… If he wasn’t ‘in the spotlight’… he’d still be stealing???

    Wow…. News flash… stealing is wrong. Period.

  12. asimonetti88 says: May 4, 2014 8:45 PM

    gatorfan1 says:
    May 4, 2014 7:51 PM
    Let me get this straight – 20 hours of community service in 3 days. Yeah Ok!!
    ————————————————-

    That’s what I thought too, but it’s less than 8 hours a day. I’ve had 8 hour volunteer days before, so I guess it makes more sense when you think about it.

  13. gradysez2014 says: May 4, 2014 9:03 PM

    “Great ….. Free at last… Free at last … Now with a haircut, some sunglasses , and a ride from my drunk girlfriend I can be back in the crablegs business and nailin” a drunk white ho in notime at all” J……..

  14. gatorprof says: May 4, 2014 9:04 PM

    Did anyone honestly expect any” differently?

    Remember, this is the same “institute of higher learning” that “mishandled” a sexual assault allegation.

  15. rodge1 says: May 4, 2014 9:52 PM

    Hilarious pic

  16. stl333 says: May 4, 2014 9:54 PM

    Props on the picture. That’s hilarious.

  17. Deb says: May 4, 2014 10:12 PM

    God knows I’ll be vilified for saying this, but I’m allergic to willful stupidity.

    He received an ADULT CITATION, which carries about the same weight as a traffic citation. And what he did was less dangerous than driving 70 in a 40 zone–which some of you paragons of virtue have probably done.

    This is the law in this jurisdiction, folks. And it’s the same law that applies to everyone, not just to Jameis Winston. YOU may be SOOOOO overwhelmingly disgusted that a football player shoplifted $32 worth of crab that you think Florida should build extra prison space to house such a DANGEROUS offender … or release a few convicted murderers and child sex offenders so we can accomodate more shoplifters … or cut off Winston’s hands so he can never steal another crab leg. But in Leon County, it’s sufficient for him–and other first offenders–to pay a fine and do community service.

    As I’ve said, I’m not a fan and don’t really like the guy. But it blows my mind that so many of you actually think he’s getting a different deal than any other first offender in this situation. Is ignorance as blissful as they say?

  18. 11inthebox says: May 4, 2014 10:13 PM

    If this was Johnny Manziel, it would just be a case of “boys being boys.”
    But if the prankster looks like Winston, the rank and file audience will immediately toss it into the “thugs being thugs” file.

  19. saints97 says: May 4, 2014 10:31 PM

    11inthebox, what cocoon were you in when Manziel was getting bashed in the press for over-sleeping?

    Manziel caught a ton of flack for a laundry list of things that weren’t even crimes.

    Oh, and he’s never had anyone accuse him of rape.

  20. 939913noles says: May 4, 2014 10:32 PM

    Finally agree with deb! And for you gaytor haters how bout a free taco!! And what about your bath salt purifoy boy!! Snitches get stitches!! Like blacknole08 said haters gonna hate!

  21. username5891 says: May 4, 2014 10:59 PM

    I guess people here have never heard of believe half of what you see and none of what you hear…just take a deep breath and think if any of this makes sense. I feel like I’m Allen Iverson “we talkin’ bout crab legs?!”…An adult citation deserves a press conference from Leon county police? And a prepared statement from Jameis Winston and Jimbo and the baseball coach!…Just think for a second why they all made sure that the story was he stole crab legs. Now my conclusion is he got the hookup for the crab legs by someone, he is a famous person around that area, he took it that’s an NCAA violation so they cited him and gave him a slap on the wrist. Yea I know they say they got video of the “THEFT!” but who’s seen it. Then people get outraged at Jameis for putting soda in the little ketchup cups like they never did that in their life. Almost everything he does is an overreaction.

  22. sternf says: May 4, 2014 11:20 PM

    Rape? No problem.

    Theft? No problem.

    A national championship and a Heisman invest you with super powers.

    What’s next Jameis?

  23. mauldawg says: May 5, 2014 5:50 AM

    Poor old Deb,once again she is clueless. She has been a left winger for to long. She is about as sorry as they come. Commit a crime,big or small and lets just excuse it. I mean after all its no big deal. It is people like her that believe thugs should be give at least 40-50 chances before they pay the price for the crimes they commit. Deb is just a sorry dirt bag herself. I bet if she had her way all thugs would be released from prison because they were mistreated as children. What a waste of good air.

  24. 1historian says: May 5, 2014 7:05 AM

    I’m shocked!! I tell you I am SHOCKED!!!!

    Oxymoron of the day – ‘FSU athletics’ code of conduct.’

  25. whydoupost says: May 5, 2014 7:42 AM

    Mauldawg – like Deb or not, she’s accurate with what she said. You, you’re just an idiot!

  26. jimmy53 says: May 5, 2014 8:27 AM

    Deb hit the nail on the head. FSU did NOT have to suspend him at all since no arrest took place. They went above and beyond only because of the public outcry they would have received in the press if they did nothing.

    The citation is equivalent to a noise complaint citation—should we now be suspending every player who got a noise citation?

    All of those people calling him a thug obviously don’t know anything about him. He’s not a thug–he’s an immature child. He need to grow up and fast, but he’s not a thug. He’s actually an extremely intelligent kid who had a good GPA in H.S., and continues to maintain a good GPA in college while competing in two different sports. He’s also extremely polite and respectful–he just needs to grow up. He slept with the wrong woman consensually, and now he made a really dumb mistake–none of that makes him a thug–a man-child maybe–but not a thug.

    But many of you have already made up your mind based off faulty reporting–that’s sad.

  27. gatorfan1 says: May 5, 2014 10:38 AM

    jimmy53:

    I have a problem with the premise that he’s a good kid and just immature.

    The Burger King issue is not major, but let me ask you. If you went with 3 friends, why wouldn’t you just use your friends cup for a refill. Who just walks in grabs ketchup cups AND then asks for a regular cup after being caught.

    Then he and a bunch of FSU players shot out 13 windows at an apartment complex. So after you shoot 1, you just keep playing for days and continue to harass your neighbors by shooting out window?The manager wanted to kick them out but the school got involved. Now the manager can’t remember the incident. How convenient! My son once was visiting a friend and knocked a ball through an apartment window. Cost me $85.00. That’s a $1000.00 worth of windows, never minding the fact of having respect for those around him.

    Won’t mention the rape allegation, however, there has been another complaint filed against him about supposedly consensual sex. What college girl seeks counseling for a sexual encounter in college. She says it was consensual but felt violated. Who does this on a college campus where sex is rampant. Can you say “is terrified to go through what the other girl went through”. Have you ever had a sexual encounter that was consensual with someone AND they still felt violated and needed counseling?? And people say there is no cause for concern about this kid.

    Finally, no longer than two weeks after reading a scathing report about himself in the New York Times revealing the other sexual complaint, you go out and “steal” crab legs. And no doubt you apologists will say he probably got caught stealing the “first time” so he’s learned his lesson.

    Sorry, I can’t buy the youthful innocence part, especially after the article appeared in NY Times. Nobody in there right mind would immediately go out and break the law. There’s issues here!!!

  28. sw19womble says: May 5, 2014 10:48 AM

    The kid’s an idiot.

    But apparently a valuable one.

  29. fanofthegame79 says: May 5, 2014 11:13 AM

    Well said, and perfectly put, Deb (I thought it was smart enough to post twice):

    Deb says:May 4, 2014 10:12 PM

    God knows I’ll be vilified for saying this, but I’m allergic to willful stupidity.

    He received an ADULT CITATION, which carries about the same weight as a traffic citation. And what he did was less dangerous than driving 70 in a 40 zone–which some of you paragons of virtue have probably done.

    This is the law in this jurisdiction, folks. And it’s the same law that applies to everyone, not just to Jameis Winston. YOU may be SOOOOO overwhelmingly disgusted that a football player shoplifted $32 worth of crab that you think Florida should build extra prison space to house such a DANGEROUS offender … or release a few convicted murderers and child sex offenders so we can accomodate more shoplifters … or cut off Winston’s hands so he can never steal another crab leg. But in Leon County, it’s sufficient for him–and other first offenders–to pay a fine and do community service.

    As I’ve said, I’m not a fan and don’t really like the guy. But it blows my mind that so many of you actually think he’s getting a different deal than any other first offender in this situation. Is ignorance as blissful as they say?

  30. psublueandwhite says: May 5, 2014 11:48 AM

    Yes Deb, clearly what everyone meant is to let murderers and rapists go so he can go to prison then lock him up and throw away the key. Seriously?

    It’s not the legal ramifications people are arguing about. While yes, it was just a citation issued, longer and more severe suspensions have been issued for lesser infractions.

    People are simply pointing out that FSU seems to hold their student athletes to the bare minimum of moral standards rather than hold them to a higher standard.

  31. granadafan says: May 5, 2014 12:24 PM

    “that I am in the public spotlight and my conduct needs to be above reproach.”
    ==============================================

    Newsflash to the FSU PR department. If you’re going to write a statement for an athlete, at least make it believable that someone with his low IQ would actually write and not make it sound like an attorney.

  32. florida727 says: May 5, 2014 12:33 PM

    As a Florida fan, it would be easy (REALLY easy) to jump on the “bash FSU’s handling of this” bandwagon, but the truth is EVERY major university is guilty of this sweeping-it-under-the-rug process. Heck, in Gainesville, we made it the popular SOP (Standard Operating Procedure).

    Face it, The Golden Rule always prevails… he who has the gold, makes the rules. There are only two sports in all of college athletics that turn a profit: football and basketball. And basketball is a money-loser at some schools at that. Have a friend that’s a Kentucky graduate. Football program sucks. Basketball teams has EIGHT national titles AND 16 Final Fours? The football team brings in more money to the university. Just have to accept the reality that universities are always going to be willing to let things like this pass in the interest of the “greater good” (read: MONEY).

  33. Deb says: May 5, 2014 12:42 PM

    @psublueandwhite …

    Actually, a lot of people are posting that he’s getting special treatment from the criminal justice system–and that’s what I was addressing in my post. As jimmy53 said, FSU is under no obligation to penalize Winston in any way for an adult citation. They chose to punish him in an effort to rein in his behavior. Rather than commending them for that (and no, I am not an FSU fan and rooted against them in the title game), everyone is slamming them for not doing anything.

    What would you all suggest they do? Under NCAA rules, they don’t have to do anything, but they chose to suspend him. And that’s still not enough to satisfy the bloodlust on CFT.

  34. Deb says: May 5, 2014 1:01 PM

    @sternf …

    Whom did he rape? When was the trial?

    Rather than going light on criminals, my concern is that our overloaded criminal justice system not waste time on petty crimes while ignoring serious, violent offenders. A lot of people want to declare Winston a rapist and the TPD dirty–but I wonder how many of those people have read the forensic reports from the rape kit and the interviews with the accuser.

    Try putting yourself in that police officer’s shoes.

    A woman comes to him and says she’s been raped. She says she was in a club with a friend. She’d had at least five shots–she didn’t buy them herself because she was underage. She won’t give the name of the friend who bought them because he was also underage but had a connection with one of the bartenders. Some stranger in passing offered her a shot and she drank that, too. She speculated she might have been drugged, but the tox screen showed she was not.

    She’d been talking to some guys she couldn’t accurately describe. They texted and asked her to come outside, where she willingly got into a cab with four men she didn’t know and went home with them. The forensic report showed she’d had sex with two people, but she didn’t want to name one of them because she said he had nothing to do with this incident. It also indicated she might have had oral sex with two people, including Winston, but she did not allege oral rape, so that must have been consensual.

    She claimed she’d texted for help, but a download of her phone revealed she’d just texted a friend and BS’d while the alleged assault was occurring.

    The officer suggested she think long and hard about pursuing charges. She later told him she’d decided not to pursue it.

    gatorfan1, I have no idea why another woman would need counseling after an encounter with Winston or that the counseling had anything to do with Winston. But that woman made clear her encounter with Winston was consensual.

    The rape victims I’ve dealt with were kidnapped at gunpoint, repeatedly raped as children, drugged, beaten, etc. If we’re going to send someone to prison for 30 years, we need to make sure he’s a danger to society. And I’m not prepared to call a man a rapist without something more substantive than what’s here.

  35. gatorfan1 says: May 5, 2014 1:56 PM

    Deb:

    Here’s what we know. Two women have now reported a sexual encounter with Winston where both claim being “violated”. One claimed rape, the other just claims to be “violated.”

    That doesn’t give you pause for concern?

    I think you would agree, that most women do not talk about assaults and never report them. So it would certainly seem likely that these are not “isolated” incidents and there are more women out there.

    As an advocate for women, how would you characterize these two incidents? If not rape, violence against women perhap?

    It is obvious that the male population of Tallahassee is not ever going to believe anyone against Winston. It is up to the female population to track Winston on campus and protect themselves!

    If a young lady knowingly has sex with Winston now, it seems there are likely to feel dehumanized and violated and may need to seek counseling. I never thought having sex on campus could be so traumatizing.

    We have a tendency in this county to never connect the dotes until to late. Let’s hope this person is not one of those.

    Also Deb, you only commented on a small piece of my post. I laid out the reasons why I think Winston’s issues are more serious than what a lot of people seem to believe and think. No comment on my overall post? I’d like to hear your comments on the totality of his actions and what you think?

  36. Deb says: May 5, 2014 2:57 PM

    @gatorfan1 …

    As previously noted, I’m not a fan of the guy. Yes, there are red flags. But I think some people are getting carried away.

    If you ask me about a college kid shoplifting crab legs, piping Coke into ketchup containers, and–along with other players–firing BB guns at windows, that’s all piddling prank stuff. No, I’m not condoning stealing, but it’s all penny-ante, goofball stuff. And I’m pretty sure that if it were kids on the football teams of the people commenting here, they wouldn’t have much to say. Yeah, it’s stupid and reckless given his other legal issues. And of course his coaches need to address it–which they have. But it’s still doesn’t rise to the level people are taking it.

    I don’t know what to tell you about a woman seeking counseling for what she says was a consensual sexual encounter. You’re drawing conclusions without any information. As you’ve said, we have no idea why she needed counseling. But consent is the operative word–and it’s her word.

    In the last decade, there have been dozens of instances where a college woman has gotten drunk, willingly gone home with a college man, willingly consented to sex with him, then later declared it “rape” because she said she was too drunk to consent. Never mind that he, too, was drunk and she did consent. I have a hard time equating regret with rape–which is a crime of violence. It’s difficult for me to justify sending a college student to prison for 30 years or labeling him as a sex offender because he participated in what he believed was a consensual act only to have the woman later say she didn’t really consent. I don’t know if that’s what happened in Winston’s case, but based on the accuser’s own account, there’s certainly room for reasonable doubt. You may feel violated, used, or stupid. But that doesn’t mean you’ve been raped.

    As I said, there was no ambiguity with the rape victims I’ve known. They were drugged by their assailants. They were facing a weapon. They were physically fighting with all their strength. They were children being attacked by adults. To me, it does those women a disservice to claim that some girl who was a willing participant was victimized as they were. And we shouldn’t be wasting jail space on someone who isn’t dangerous to society.

  37. kinggator says: May 5, 2014 3:09 PM

    Fast Suspension U.

  38. florida727 says: May 5, 2014 3:11 PM

    Well stated, Deb. Thumbs up for sure. No guy on this blog can EVER understand what a woman goes through when she’s raped… at least “raped” as Deb properly described it. Thanks for the post, Deb.

  39. 8to80texansblog says: May 5, 2014 3:13 PM

    How convenient for Jimbo Fisher too by the way. Suspend him for a few days in the baseball season so the football team doesn’t have to suffer. Do I think Winston should miss a football game for this, no.

    And to Deb, I’m not saying that we need to put him in jail but to compare thievery with speeding is a bit off. Sure they are the same level of crime in the penal code but that’s like saying that tax evasion and rape are the same since they are both first degree felonies.

  40. Deb says: May 5, 2014 3:31 PM

    @florida727 …

    Thank you.

    @8to80 …

    I didn’t compare thievery to speeding. JT’s article said: As the Orlando Sentinel wrote, Winston’s “citation is not a criminal offense and does not require a suspension under FSU athletics’ code of conduct … People were going ballistic over the Sentine’s comment that a citation is not a criminal offense and were declaring that it WAS a criminal offense. I merely tried to explain that IN THIS CASE, he was CITED, not charged–which is comparable to receiving a speeding ticket. I’m not making moral judgment (like everyone else is) about theft. I’m simply talking about THE LAW and how it’s applied to first offenders in these cases.

  41. gatorfan1 says: May 5, 2014 3:56 PM

    Deb:

    Thanks for the response! You gave me a very technical, reasoned and legally sound response. Which I expected from you. With your background and interest in law (brother-in-law) you obviously deeply believe in innocence until proven guilty. That seems to be your advocacy that seems most prevalent to me in your writings.

    But what about your intuition? Sometimes I feel your advocacy for “proof of guilt” doesn’t allow you to always be objective and see things as they build up. You seem to take each incidence as a singular event and not look at a pattern of behavior. That’s only my opinion of course.

    My whole point and post is, what is your feeling concerning Winston? You do not seem willing to advance any type of conjecture beyond just stating that you are not particularly a fan of his.

    I go back to my statement concerning connecting the dots after people’s continuing lack of caring and seemingly having an attitude of being above any authority, let alone the law.

    I’ll go out on a limb and say I believe this kid could be another OJ Simpson. And before I get blasted, I would have said the same thing about Hernandez If I had known some of the incidences that he was involved in when at Gainesville, including a rumor he was involved in a shooting.

    It seems to me that Winston has a severe entitlement attitude, especially with how quickly after the Times article appeared he broke the law with absolutely no reservation! That to me is a very telling indictment on his belief of his own omnipotence. Let’s hope not.

    He has a lifetime to prove me right or wrong! We’ll see.

  42. Deb says: May 5, 2014 4:12 PM

    @gatorfan1 …

    In this case it’s difficult to draw conclusions because there’s little to substantiate the sexual allegation, and the other incidents–considered by themselves–were petty. It’s obvious he hasn’t taken any of it too seriously up to this point, which could indicate a sense of entitlement, dimwittedness, immaturity–or all the above. But now he’s had a short suspension from the baseball team and probably been reamed out by Jimbo and other school officials. How he handles himself going forward will say a lot. He’s had it all laid out for him and knows he’s got to behave himself from here on. If he doesn’t, then he may have some real issues.

  43. puigzig says: May 5, 2014 5:44 PM

    >
    I am IMPRESSED…..

    Florida State is an amazing academic institution!
    Law enforcement around the school is obviously top notch.

    They dont mess around at FSU…
    You would think FSU is an SEC school

    A Heiman- winning, crab-stealing rapist completed his community service!!! Wow. Like I said, what a good example for our young kids… Keep up the good work ya’all.

  44. puigzig says: May 5, 2014 5:49 PM

    Cited, charged…. lets not fool around.

    This guy is a THIEF.

    You guys know it, HE knows it and everybody in the country knows it.

    Even my elementary school kids know he stole (and did not ‘forget’).

    In a moment of “youthful jgnorance…”, crying out loud, this guy is not a kid!

  45. puigzig says: May 5, 2014 5:54 PM

    #
    #
    #
    JAMEIS WINSTON….. is nothing but a DISHONEST, SEXUAL OFFENDER….

    And that’s all there is to say!

  46. John Taylor says: May 5, 2014 5:56 PM

    “And that’s all there is to say!”

    Took you three different comments to get there, but kudos on making it! :-)

  47. jeffreyperria says: May 5, 2014 8:05 PM

    Hard working fellow, when motivated.
    Wanted sex… motivated to assault a woman
    Wanted heismen…. motivated to practice hard
    Wanted food….. motivated to steal it
    Wanted to play baseball… motivated to do 20 hours in 3 days… that is 6.67 hours a day on community service…
    He is one highly motivated person… priceless

  48. onlyoneleft says: May 5, 2014 9:57 PM

    Deb is a Bama fan. Bama players get no punishment. The only coach better than Jimbo with suspensions is Spurrier. Old Spurrier would guarantee him that he has, at least four more strikes, and ‘HOPEFULLY’, that he will learn from his mistakes.

  49. dhardy8207 says: May 6, 2014 8:41 AM

    Despite we appear to have a wealth of legal knowledge on this thread I decided to look into the interpretation of the punishment for petty theft under Florida State Law.

    “Petit Theft of the Second Degree. In Florida, the lowest level theft offense is called “petit theft”, rather than the more commonly known “petty theft.” If the property stolen is valued at less than $100, the offender commits petit theft of the second degree, which is a misdemeanor of the second degree. (Fla. Stat. Ann. § 812.014.) A sentence of imprisonment of not more than 60 days and a fine not to exceed $500 can result from conviction of a misdemeanor of the second degree in Florida. (Fla. Stat. Ann. § 77.082, 77.083.)”

    Strange that there is nothing worded in this law’s description regarding a “citation”. The notion that a citation is the ordinary punishment for a petty theft charge is inaccurate. The reason he only got a citation is because Publix management decided they would not go forward with charges. Had the Sherriff’s department not issued the citation and this became public knowledge then special treatment would have been blatant.

  50. Deb says: May 6, 2014 12:46 PM

    dhardy …

    Sorry if it offends you to have someone post from a base of knowledge. Mine didn’t come from having a brother and sis-in-law who are criminal defense attorneys, but from having covered legal issues for many years. I covered my first state Supreme Court case while still a college student at Missouri and have covered special criminal court cases overseas. Yes, you can look up statutes in law books if you are that desperate to prove yourself right. I’m simply trying to shed some light on what happened here and stop people from getting juiced up on the idea that an FSU player got special treatment when that’s not what happened.

    I never said the ordinary punishment for petty theft is a citation. I said that people don’t do hard time for petty theft on a first offense–and they don’t. I also said that LEON COUNTY has an adult citation program for offenses of this type that applies to ALL offenders, not just Winston. Since you are DETERMINED not to believe me or the press reports on that, here is a write-up on that program. It was proposed in 2012 and had nothing to do with Winston. I worked with a similar Youth Diversion Project in Central Florida years ago.

    Sorry to step on your wealth of legal knowledge.

    http://wclcriminallawbrief.blogspot.com/2012/11/leon-county-proposes-adult-civil.html

  51. dhardy8207 says: May 6, 2014 1:35 PM

    Deb says;

    “Yes, you can look up statutes in law books if you are that desperate to prove yourself right. I’m simply trying to shed some light on what happened here and stop people from getting juiced up on the idea that an FSU player got special treatment when that’s not what happened.”

    ———————————————————-

    On the contrary, I’m not “desperate” to prove anything. You can spout on the “knowledge” you supposedly have about apparently a lot of things that pertain to Winston and what he did or did not receive, but here’s the thing, I could accuse you of “desperately” trying to make your points relevant by the mere number of chapters you have posted stating only your opinions and self claimed knowledge.

    I posted what is documented as “Florida State Law on Petty theft”. I didn’t rearrange any wording, take anything away or add to what is documented with the Florida State Bar as the description of the “Petty theft” law that is currently on the books.

    You are assured he’s not receiving special treatment, I’m convince he has. No one and I mean no one would get the chances this guy has gotten with brush ins with the law and never spend a day in jail or even booked/charged for what now appears to be the third run in he’s had since arriving in Tallahassee.

    Thanks for the chidding there, but I’m an adult, capable of having my own opinion and chose to research the “laws that are currently documented for the state of Florida”.

  52. dhardy8207 says: May 6, 2014 1:54 PM

    @ Deb,

    BTW I read your little link there that you posted. The issue I have with this whole thing is this….

    Accused of rape: TPD drug their feet, evidence was lost or not captured in a timely manner, DOE is now investigating FSU for how that whole thing was handled.

    BB gun incident: Damage to personal property. No arrest, no restitution.

    Crab Heist: Walked out of a store with merchandise, intentionally avoided store security, and despite an explaination of “youthful ignorance” never came back to pay for the merchandise he took.

    All of these things add up to he’s untouchable as long as he’s throwing a ball for FSU.

  53. Deb says: May 6, 2014 1:55 PM

    dhardy …

    If I were you, I wouldn’t chastise anyone else for posting chapters on any topic. That’s a little pot/kettle. Yes, you’ve been able to pull paragraphs from the statutes. Comprehension, however, eludes you.

    The adult citation program is operating in Leon County. I don’t understand why you’ve chosen to be in denial about this or why you don’t grasp that different counties have different programs in play just as different states have different laws in addition to federal law. Thank you for repeatedly quoting the “laws that are currently documented for the state of Florida.” I would, however, suggest that if you ever find yourself in trouble, please hire an attorney. Your ignorance of how the law operates will be your undoing.

    You are twisting reality to fit your own agenda. I have no axe to grind here. Winston means nothing to me. FSU means nothing to me. My only interest is accuracy. Call it an occupational quirk. Then again, I’m not supposed to mention my occupation because being preoccupied with the facts based on training and experience is somehow ego driven. But you making damning judgments about the characters of dozens of people you do not know without a single fact to go on … well, that’s just a reasonable adult woman capable of doing research.

    For centuries, the majority was convinced the earth was flat. I’m sure they thought they were reasonable adults, too. That didn’t make them right or credible.

  54. Deb says: May 6, 2014 2:13 PM

    dhardy …

    Look, I have no doubt you’re sincere. And I think Winston’s a jerk. I’m just talking from a legal perspective. By law, they can’t consider the rape allegation when dealing with the shoplifting. The BB gun thing involved multiple players, not just Winston. I don’t know what happened there or why, but if no arrest was made, they can’t consider that, either. If it involved multiple players, it could be a case of sheltering the football team. Or it could have been kids getting rowdy and something not worth pursuing.

    We’ll have to wait and see what happens with the investigation into the handling of the rape allegation. Based on the accuser’s statement and the forensic reports, it’s a weak case. They ran a rape kit, downloaded her cell phone in an effort to corroborate her statements, and took witness statements. They can’t force him to give a statement, but he did give a DNA sample. It’s difficult to see what evidence might have been lost. But that will be for the independent investigation to decide. Based on his current record, though, he was a perfect candidate for the citation program.

  55. pensfan1 says: May 6, 2014 2:27 PM

    Free again to rejoin the baseball season. Umps have been forewarned to watch for crab butter on his uniform and the potentially offensive “butterball”.

  56. dhardy8207 says: May 6, 2014 3:25 PM

    @Deb;

    I’m really not interested in your personal take of why I posted on this thread. Don’t need your permission to think independently for myself and the many many many cases of people who have been jailed in the state of Florida for “petty theft” gives creed to the my opinion that Winston is being favored. He lucked up with the young lady involved in the rape allegation because her own reputation worked against her. However, the fact that a crime of that magnitude could be covered up to keep FSU for catching negative press and be forced to suspend their star QB is not just an isolated thought or random opinion. By the current investigation by the DOE, they apparently disagree with your sentiments that all was investigated properly and this was just a gold digger trying to catch some fame and money.

    My original point is that if he was treated like anyone else;

    1) the TPD would have investigated the accusations in the rape case accordingly and FSU would have done so as well.

    2) There would have been consequences for damaging personal property.

    3) He wouldn’t have had a squeaky clean record when stealing seafood from a super market.

    I m really perplexed at why you are going to such great lengths to defend him? I mean this is far from the moral, ethical person that I’ve read post from many many times. The extent to which you have gone to in defending him as just a “kid”, “didn’t do anything really serious, lets just chalk this up to youthful ignorance” really goes against the supposed activist for victims that you’ve claimed to be in the past.

    No one here has called for this young man’s head, no one has recommended a lengthy prison sentence. But what I and some are saying is that by appearances and the details that have been made public, FSU and the town of Tallahassee are doing everything they can to protect him in his moments of “youthful ignorance”…

  57. Deb says: May 6, 2014 4:03 PM

    I posted a very gracious apology to you on another thread, which you ignored. Now I’ve tried to notch back the vitriol a bit here and you’re being nasty about that as well.

    I don’t care why you post. I don’t care that you keep posting statutes pulled from law books as though that’s all there is to the administration of law. I don’t care that you’ve posted as many dissertations as I have but seem not to realize it, that you seem as dead set on damning this kid as you say I am on defending him. Your lack of self-awareness is your problem.

    It’s really not perplexing. I’m not defending Winston, I’m defending a principle. I’m posting the reality of the adult citation program in Leon County, in which all offenders in this situation would be handled the same way. Beyond that, I’ve posted that people are innocent until proved guilty. No matter how the assault allegation was handled, you cannot condemn someone as a sexual predator without proof. It has nothing to do with Jameis Winston. I made the same arguments of innocent until proved guilty–equally unpopular–a couple of years back when the issue was LSU football players involved in a fight outside a bar. I have strong views on team sanctions for NCAA violations and argued them when it involved Ohio State and USC just as I did when it involved Alabama.

    The principles have nothing to do with the personalities or teams involved. Can’t speak for you, but a lot of the people damning Winston now would be defending him if he played for their team. And a lot of those defending him would not if he played for Florida. It doesn’t work that way with me. For me, it’s got nothing to do with him as a person.

    And yes, some have called for his head. They’ve treated this with significantly more seriousness than petty theft deserves.

  58. dhardy8207 says: May 6, 2014 4:39 PM

    No one is trying to be nasty Deb, you and I have had a respectful difference of opinion in the past. However, sometimes your post in response come across as condescending in nature. You may not be aware of the tone and I’m well aware that most of us (myself included) can post something that we believe as important but the tone can come across as demeaning.

    I for one, praised Winston’s success in the early stages last season and recognized him as being a very talented player from Hueytown Alabama. However, after repeated incidents I feel the young man has issues. I also think that because of the severity of the rape accusation, FSU did themselves and Winston a disservice by not handling the investigation correctly. That being said time moved forward, they won the national championship and now we have another incident.

    I understand the fact that jails are overcrowded and that this “citation” is a way of handling misdeamenor charges, however it still does not negate the fact that he has had mulitple incidents none of which were handled in the manner that they would have been had it not been for who he is and the position he holds. I call a spade a spade, a theif a theif. It shouldn’t matter if what he took cost .50 it is stealing and to further make excuses will not help this young man but unfortunately send him the message that as long as he performs and dazzles the seminole nation, not to worry he can steal the town and he’ll be an exception to most rules…

  59. Deb says: May 6, 2014 5:08 PM

    I’m not trying to be nasty either–or condescending. I’ve written a lot of educational materials, and may adopt that tone at times.

    To be perfectly honest, I could care less about FSU. I’m in Central Florida and my friends are about half Gators, half ‘Noles. But I’m all Tide :) If I have a sensitivity, it’s hearing constantly (here and on PFT) that athletes are being shown preferential treatment, when a closer look usually shows it’s not true. Most of the time, you’ll find other offenders would have been treated the same way in the same circumstances. That’s why I keep bringing up the adult citation program–because this situation was handled as it should have been.

    Data does show black defendants are usually treated more harshly than white defendants across the country, north and south. It might be interesting to see whether black defendants in Leon County are usually given the opportunity to participate in the adult citation program. If not, then you could argue Winston got preferential treatment because of his football ties. Otherwise, the program worked the way it should have.

    As for the sexual assault allegation, based on my reading of the New York Times exposé, it appears Tallahassee’s police department has an overall record of poorly handling rape allegations that’s not limited to Winston’s case. It also sounds as though the department has leadership issues that predate this situation. Again, I’m not sure you can say these screwups are a direct result of Winston’s football ties.

    Some of these criminal justice issues are close to my heart. I believe strongly that we need to overhaul the system to ensure the truly dangerous offenders are put away and unable to get out. The National Sex Offender Registry has been overloaded with frivolous cases (an 18-year-old guy having consensual sex with his 16-year-old girlfriend, a guy sexting his girlfriend, a guy peeing in an alley). As a result, dangerous offenders have slipped through the cracks. A young woman was raped an murdered in California when a registered sex offender was lost by his parole officer. Most of the child murders you hear about were committed by someone who was already in the system and let go. That’s why I want to see the penny-ante stuff handled in a better way and prisons reserved for people who are dangers to everyone.

    So … I tend to be like a dog with a bone on these kinds of issues. It really doesn’t have anything to do with Winston. Although this is petty stuff, I don’t condone theft to any degree. If he doesn’t straighten up, he’s going to be another Ryan Leaf and wind up squandering all the opportunities God has given him.

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