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Terrelle Pryor, four other Buckeyes suspended for five games in ’11

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Ummm, wow.

Following up on reports that Ohio State was investigating several members of the football program possibly receiving impermissible benefits, that “possibly” has morphed into “definitely”.  And, before the 2010 season has even come to an end, has placed a serious shadow over the their 2011 season.

According to a release issued by the university, a total of six players will be suspended for a game or games at the beginning of 2011 for selling awards, gifts and university apparel and receiving improper benefits in 2009.  Included in that total is quarterback Terrelle Pryor, who figured to be in the thick of the Heisman race next year but now must decide whether it’s worth even coming back another year.

Pryor, the release states, must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants, a gift from the university.  He will be suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season, or nearly half of his final year of collegiate eligibility.

Joining Pryor on the sidelines for the first five game of ’11 — or the NFL, whichever the case may be — are offensive lineman Mike Adams, running back Boom Herron, wide receiver DeVier Posey and defensive lineman Solomon Thomas.  Like Pryor, all four of those players are juniors and thus eligible for the April draft.

The university declared the student-athletes ineligible on Monday (Dec. 20) and requested reinstatement from the NCAA.

As part of their reinstatement, Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring and Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services worth $150.  Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50.

“We were not as explicit with our student-athlete education as we should have been in the 2007-08 and 2008-09 academic years regarding the sale of apparel, awards and gifts issued by the athletics department,” athletic director Gene Smith said in a statement. “We began to significantly improve our education in November of 2009 to address these issues. After going through this experience, we will further enhance our education for all our student-athletes as we move forward.”

“Once a student-athlete understands a violation has occurred, they must immediately come forward to report it,” he said. “That did not happen, so the additional one-game penalty was imposed.”

Perhaps the only “bright spot” for the Buckeyes in this latest NCAA investigative mess is the fact that all of the players will be eligible to play in the Sugar Bowl against Arkansas.  Among the factors that led the NCAA to allow the quintet to play in the bowl game was that it was determined the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred.

Ohio State is currently conducting a press conference that includes head coach Jim Tressel, and obviously we’ll have more on this stunning development throughout the day.

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  1. cubano76 says: Dec 23, 2010 12:18 PM

    DAMN! Best of luck in 2012 OSU.

  2. pghsteel412 says: Dec 23, 2010 12:20 PM

    so.. other schools when a player is declared ineligible has them not play in upcoming bowl game… but ohio state suspends players for the next year, all players who are eligible to leave and enter draft after this year??? sounds fishy

  3. eddyjf says: Dec 23, 2010 12:28 PM

    I think those with one year of eligibility remaining are suspended for all of the 2013 season also.

    This was gutless.

  4. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 12:29 PM

    No big deal that’s why 5 games instead of 6 or
    (1/2 the season)
    Home–Akron, Toledo, Colorado, Mich St
    Away– at a feeble Miamii with a new coach

    Game 6 would have been at Nebraska and that is toooooo big a national cash cow for the Big 10 and the NCAA to include that one.

    Too say they are suspended for the first 5 games of ’11 but not for the Sugar Bowl further validates everyone’s belief that the NCAA is all about the big cash grab and they don’t want to hurt the lucrative Sugar Bowl ratings at the expense of fairness. No matter whether you think this is fair or not—if they are to be punished it should start immediately and not make some feeble excuse that they weren’t given proper instruction by The Ohio State. BS BS BS

    I am glad they will play in the bowl because it will be a better game but the way the NCAA hands out punishment is laughable.

    Will Ohio State coaches and athletic admin be suspended as well or even longer since the NCAA found them to blame for the athletes being uninformed?

    It’s past time for the power conferences to bolt the NCAA and form their own coalition.

    I can’t say it enough BS BS BS………..

  5. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 23, 2010 12:29 PM

    Five games? Seems right. I mean, its not like his father sold him to the Buckeyes or anything.

  6. Ryon says: Dec 23, 2010 12:29 PM

    From goldpants.com:

    “The Gold Pants Club began with a simple mission: Beat Michigan. While this is still at the heart of our mission, the Gold Pants club wishes to evolve to follow the words of Woody Hayes and ‘pay forward’.”

    HAHAHAHA. I think Terrelle must has misread it to say “follow the words of Woddy Hayes and ‘get paid’.”

    What a d**k. Shows how much he values even his own school.

    Best of luck to you Terrelle. Since the best you can hope for is NFL utility player for maybe 3 games, I hear the McDonalds in Jeannette, PA is looking for a drive-thru manager.

  7. tryagainplease says: Dec 23, 2010 12:32 PM

    omg- i thought this was all tattoo crap and would have been pissed had they been ineligible for that but this is freaking ridiculous— the morons sold their rings? pryor sold his SPORTSMANSHIP ring- lolol.

    i never thought mallett was a genius but at least he’s not completely retarded….

  8. buckeye044 says: Dec 23, 2010 12:37 PM

    @pghsteel412
    NCAA handed down the punishment, not tOSU.

  9. seanmmartin says: Dec 23, 2010 12:40 PM

    How do you sell a championship ring? Doesn’t that mean anything to you?

  10. dkhhuey says: Dec 23, 2010 12:44 PM

    Nicely done idiots! Looks like I’ll be doing a bunch of other things on Saturdays next year instead of watching football! IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS.

  11. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 12:45 PM

    @sean

    It’s easy if you haven’t been given the proper counseling…….they didn’t know any better!
    ROFLMAO

  12. florida727 says: Dec 23, 2010 12:47 PM

    How do you put a price on a championship ring? I know a guy who has two, and they’re his pride and joy. They represent all the hard work and then ultimate payoff. What’s even more weird, to me anyway, is what the heck are you going to do with that PURCHASED, not EARNED, ring if you’re the idiot that plopped down the cash to get it? Going to wear it around town and show it off to all your friends (both of them)?

    “Hey everybody, look at me. I’m wearing a Big Ten championship ring. Was I on the team? No. Actually I never played football. I just made enough money, and am stupid enough, to buy it from some kid. Pretty cool, huh?”

  13. dkhhuey says: Dec 23, 2010 12:48 PM

    Well – since you’ve pretty much trashed the 2011 season – at least make it worth it and win the Sugar Bowl game!

    Nicely done idiots!

  14. lanflfan says: Dec 23, 2010 12:54 PM

    Hey buckeye nation (and your A.D. Mr. Foot-in-mouth), karma’s a female dog isn’t it?

    Look on the bright side, you can always schedule the “Little Sisters of the Poor” for your early games next year.

  15. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 12:57 PM

    @Brownstown

    Conspicuous by your absence…lmao….looks like your boys sold everything that wasn’t nailed down. Lot of pride and loyalty selling anything earned as an OSU athlete.

    Pryor might as well ca$h in now and turn pro……that is if any CFL team will sign him. Otherwise he is between a NFL 6th rder and an invited walkon—roflmao

  16. edgy says: Dec 23, 2010 12:58 PM

    You might think that Ohio State has it made for those 5 games but they are missing some significant offensive talent and with Pryor out, they could be vulnerable enough to go 3-2 and even if they’re allowed to practice while they’re suspended, it’s going to take them a couple of games to get back into game shape and that could hurt them @Nebraska and @Illinois. This isn’t as big of a cake walk as some people might think and after Illinois, they come out of a bye to face Wisconsin. I think that they did look at the schedule and kept it at 5 but that game against Nebraska got a lot harder because of the layoff.

  17. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:00 PM

    Where are all those moralistic buckeye fans that trash the SEC about their problem athletes–can’t seem to hear you today—lmao.

    Part of the lack of counseling was The OSU admin forgot to tell the players they could get more $$$ on ebay than from the corner tattoo guy…roflmao

  18. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 23, 2010 1:01 PM

    lanflfan, dont let a few idiots tarnish a name

    no one says florida isnt a well qualified academic institution because sCam Newton cheated 3 times and never got kicked out, nor are they saying that michigan was a dirty school after the “fab five” got busted in basketball

    please think before you post.

    and edgy and blitz i have a serious question for you, why do you think they suspended them for the 5 games and not the bowl game, i dont get why they would do that

    well pryor is a jerk on campus and finally gets what he deserves lol

  19. edgy says: Dec 23, 2010 1:04 PM

    seanmmartin says:

    How do you sell a championship ring? Doesn’t that mean anything to you?

    *******************

    It’s a Big 10 championship ring. Craig Krenzel has a REAL championship ring. :)

  20. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:05 PM

    @ I love Ohio State

    $$$$ more $$$$ ratings Bowl $$$$

  21. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 23, 2010 1:06 PM

    now lemme ask you this, whats the difference between aj green selling his game worn jersey and these kids selling rings

  22. hawkinsob says: Dec 23, 2010 1:08 PM

    Blitz, I couldn’t agree with you more.

    Suspended for 5 games next year (when these players will likely be gone to the NFL anyway), but cleared to play in the bowl game?

    The NCAA is a joke. It has proven itself to be a joke repeatedly this year. The NCAA has no image left to tarnish.

  23. edgy says: Dec 23, 2010 1:09 PM

    Blitz has answered your question, even before you asked. Maybe you should go back and read what he wrote. As for me, I’d have to agree with what he said but I’d also add that they opened up a can of worms with Newton that everyone knew would hurt them in the future and their chickens have come home to roost.

  24. aheasl says: Dec 23, 2010 1:09 PM

    Does the NCAA not have anything better to do. I agree Student athletes shouldnt recieve anything that could sway, where they play, Universities shouldnt be allowed to offer excessive benefits to a student for choosing their school; But if they get into a club for free or a free tatoo, who cares. The NCAA and Universities make millions off these kids, while they get very little in return. The mere fact that they are suspended next year and not for the bowl game, shows the willingness to bend the rules when wanted. If they were not educated at the time, then they shouldnt be suspended at all.. ( I dont buy that )Amazing that were able to determine the wrong doing done here, but couldnt determine if Cam Newton knew his dad was shopping him out for thousands of dollars. This should make the COME ON MAN count down this week cause it is rediculous.

  25. gamecockinfl says: Dec 23, 2010 1:11 PM

    About time they went after the “high and mighty, Legends and Leaders” As to the Sugar Bowl, don’t think they are going to beat an SEC team with or without the crooks. I mean history is not on their side. GO SEC!

  26. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:11 PM

    @ edgy whomever

    NONE–except the one ones that sold multiple items got multiple games and the one who sold only one item got 1 game

  27. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:18 PM

    Let’s be clear here—this started out as a “just for tattoos” story but it was for lots of spendable ca$h as well.

    Next question–what will these players be doing to raise the “payback” $$$ plus raise enough ca$h to keep living the high life on campus.
    They wouldn’t try to solve this by getting a job would they—nah, get real, why work when we can sell stuff……

  28. edgy says: Dec 23, 2010 1:23 PM

    Hey, aheasl, the NCAA really had nothing to do with this. As I’ve tried to say before, the NCAA has a staff of 23 investigators to cover hundreds of schools and unless they luck into information or a school turns themselves in, there’s almost nothing that they find out on their own. This all came about because of a police investigation into the tattoo parlor that turned this up and the police notified the school and the school notified the NCAA.

  29. burntorangehorn says: Dec 23, 2010 1:27 PM

    Why aren’t they suspended for the bowl game?

  30. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:27 PM

    The Big Winner is all Smiles :-)

    Nebraska and their alums and fans says thank you Ohio State for the warm welcome to the Big 10 and the very nice early Christmas gift.

    BTW—we don’t need or want this OSU jewelry so you are welcome to have it back now (wink)

  31. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 23, 2010 1:28 PM

    With the exception of Boom Heron, the bottom line is that they guys thought they were selling their personal property. Is is wrong–yes because there is a rule againt it. Should they be punished–yes.

    However:

    Lets be clear:

    Players selling things in the Big Ten = suspensions.

    Parents selling children to the highest bidder in the SEC = no problem.

  32. tryagainplease says: Dec 23, 2010 1:34 PM

    angelheartsbuckeyes – Players selling things in the Big Ten = suspensions.

    Parents selling children to the highest bidder in the SEC = no problem.
    —-
    I do think Auby should have to forfeit all their wins so I won’t argue that point, but considering OSU is playing an SEC team in the Sugar Bowl and all of OSU players suspensions are postponed until next season, I don’t think you have much of a valid complaint.

  33. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:37 PM

    The Ohio State vs Arkansas = “a$$ whipping”

    Arkansas 31 – The Ohio State Jewelers – 14

  34. rdhdgrl says: Dec 23, 2010 1:39 PM

    Pryor’s father didn’t shop him on the black market and get paid $180,000 for his services to Ohio State so he had to sell his stuff – the economy is in the dumps and he needed the money! C’mon people! Wake up! While I don’t condone the selling of Championship rings and other miscellaneous items, you should be disgusted with the NCAA for sanctioning these 5 players all the while they ignore Papa Newton and his dispicable actions and allow Cam “Feigning Innocence” Newton to play in the Championship game. Hey NCAA – can you say “Double Standard”?

  35. laxer37 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:44 PM

    OSU will have two losses when these clowns are allowed back. Don’t overlook the Toledo game either. They are coached by a former OSU assistant, are loaded with returning starters and will be preparing for that game like it’s the superbowl.

  36. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:49 PM

    Auburn will get what’s due them but it will be down the road.

    The NCAA was consistant in this type of case— players from Alabama, North carolina and Georgia in the beginning of the season all received gifts, sold jersey, etc and they all received between one and 6 game suspensions and 2 UNC players were done for the entire season.

  37. laxer37 says: Dec 23, 2010 1:54 PM

    Terrelle will almost certainly turn pro now that the Heisman is out of the question.

    The question then becomes, what position does he play at the next level? He’s clealy not ready to to be an NFL caliber passer at this stage.

  38. golf47 says: Dec 23, 2010 2:00 PM

    NCAA is amazing!!! Georgia’s A J Green was suspended for 4 games for selling a jersey for $1000 which he repaid and was suspended for 4 games in the same season. His appeal was denied. So..oo..oo
    How is it that the Ohio State players including Mr Pryor get to play in a bowl game and serve a suspension next year.
    Totally inconsistent!!! Big money does talk. Bullsh–
    walks.

  39. gatorprof says: Dec 23, 2010 2:04 PM

    No program is immune to this sort of stuff given the financial disparity between the players (and players’ families) and the respective athletic programs.

    The NCAA is a joke.

    In a lot of cases, these kids come from very poor families and arrive on campus. Yes, they are given an education, fed, provided athletic apparel, etc. All good stuff. They have all of their needs met provided that they stay on campus.

    In a sense, they are somewhat held captive by the NCAA if they come from poor families.

    If they want to do anything else that requires money, they are screwed because they are not allowed to work part time jobs and they can’t take gifts, so if their family can’t give them money, they end up violating NCAA rules.

    Consider the following stuff that most young folks do in college that require money…

    1) Go out to clubs, movies, dinner, etc.
    2) Purchase clothing that isn’t “property of U athletic department”
    3) Try to buy a plane ticket to go home.
    4) Go out on a date.

    Normal poor kids on academic or need based scholarships can still take part time jobs to do this stuff. Athletes cannot because of potential abuses.

    If the NCAA would give them a small stipend or something else so that they could have some cash in their pocket, this stuff may not happen as much. If they did that AND provided the kids with insurance (in case of devastating injury), they might actually stay in school longer and be more in line with the educational mission of the institute.

    I remember having these arguments when I was on the other side of the fence as an athlete…nothing has changed except that the major revenue sports actually are bigger money ventures than 20 years ago and there is a 24 hour news cycle and the web that makes a lot of violations public and forces the NCAA to pay attention.

    For football and basketball, the big programs are just serving as farm teams for the NFL, but they are much more profitable than a minor league team.

  40. laffers says: Dec 23, 2010 2:08 PM

    The NCAA is such a farce! Anytime money is at issue or a sponsor may be affected they adjust discipline. If what these kids did was a violation than they should miss the Bowl Game…….period!

  41. WingT says: Dec 23, 2010 2:21 PM

    How proud all the Buckeye fans must be right now.

    I am still at a loss trying to understand how a player would just discard his CHAMPIONSHIP ring – it obviously didn’t mean anything to the player.

    Come on Buckeye fans, speak up and set all of us straight on all of this. Lets hear you try to bully your way through this one.

    Hypocrites.

  42. xli2006 says: Dec 23, 2010 2:48 PM

    Is the NCAA completely insane or just partially insane? Their “investigation” and “punishment” decision making is borderline garbage.

    The stuff they punish (Sampson Phone Calls, a few Tattoos @ OSU) and the things they don’t (Cam Newton, Bush for years, Bruce Pearl, Calipari) coupled with the reasons they give show a massive hypocrisy in their entire process.

    The NCAA is a joke these days. As if their endless “compliance shenanigans” aren’t bad enough… we might see the day when the BCS and an expanded Bracket to 96 Teams take place in the same calender officially ruining both NCAA FB and BB.

  43. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 23, 2010 2:50 PM

    1) The Geogia player used and agent–that was part of the punishment dealt to him and why it is not the same at this instance.

    2) These guys have MULTIPLE championship rings and MULTIPLE gold pants. Which, by the way they are ALLOWED to sell once they leave tOSU.

    3) What they did was wrong and they should be punished–but this is a little too far. Selling your PERSONAL property (or turns out what you thought was yours to sell) somehow is of more consequence than extorting programs for money. Go Figure.

    4) And heck yes, I am proud. Our players did something against the rules and they are being punished–no feet dragging. This did not change the game on the field, nor was our program enriched as a result. That is the reasoning behind not being suspended for the Sugar Bowl. This matter when from rumor to suspensions in less than 24 hours. Why, because we run a classy program and no need to try to hide any wrong-doing.

    5) They should have just said their dads sold the stuff for them. Viola! No problems.

  44. spudvol says: Dec 23, 2010 3:10 PM

    via bamawriter on some message board-

    I keep bringing it up, but the question must be asked:

    Was Cam Newton aware of what these kids were doing?

    If not, that’s why they get to play in the Sugar Bowl.

  45. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 3:21 PM

    Obviously the “Leaders” have no regard for the “Legends” in this case…..who woulda thunk the The Ohio State would be out of the Big 10’s inaugeral championship game.

    Make no mistake this is the death penalty to the 2011 season.

    The reasoning OSU is not being suspended for the Sugar Bowl is $$$$ and ratings and that’s it!

    The Ohio State Buckeyes = the big 10 leaders in NCAA football violations = the shame
    ROFLMAO

  46. olskool711 says: Dec 23, 2010 3:26 PM

    College football has become a bigger joke than the obama administration — and even more embarrassing.

    Don’t suspend the overrated’s wannabe gangstas until you play your real “little sisters of the poor” you frauds.

    Fraud.

    The fat cats and losers who live in yesteryear, with the help of disneypn, cbs, nbc (does this mean this post will be deleted?), etc… have made college football a joke.

    A JOKE!

  47. dkhhuey says: Dec 23, 2010 3:30 PM

    I love all of the morons on this board calling out the Buckeye fans. Not sure what your issue is but unlike you – I have a life and don’t live on these boards every single second.

    Having said that – what is your point? These kids f@#$ed up and now they’re paying for it and so are the Buckeye Nation! Are we pissed – you bet we are. Like any other big time athletic school, we’ve had our share of idiots. Sorry to disappoint most of you but all of this doesn’t impact our loyalty one bit! They’ll serve the suspension, pick up the pieces, and move on. We have some talent backing up these 5 idiots and we’ll be competitive next year.

    Calling out the Buckeye Nation like we’re all cowering in the corner because of this is quite funny.

  48. daniel1963 says: Dec 23, 2010 3:39 PM

    anglesheartsfuckeyes,

    “Why, because we run a classy program and no need to try to hide any wrong-doing.”

    ROFLMAO! You Fuckeye fans are the biggest homers in the world! LMAO

    Love your badass schedule to start the year! Hope you don’t get beaten down by Akron!

    Wah, NCAA didn’t pound USC for years! Cam Newton! Bruce Pearl! Wah, don’t punish us! We didn’t do nuttin’ wrong!

    Never ends with you morons, does it?

  49. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 3:47 PM

    BTW…Just was at the mall and saw security closing down The Ohio State “legends” memorabilia kiosk—turns out 1 and 2 yr old Big 10 memorabilia is not considered legendary.
    Also there was an issue with “future” sales of Ohio St Big 10 2011 championship rings since there’s zero chance they will come close to being in that game!!!!! ROFLMAO

    @dkhhuey

    This is more of an inside joke with the regs on here. It’s an SEC vs Big 10 thing and when the SEC was in the news at the beginning of the season we took a beating (deserved) and now kharma is a beotch…….

    Funny, most of the Big 10 regs “are hiding” as they are waiting for this to blow over but trust me this will have life until at least the Sugar Bowl bowl.

  50. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 23, 2010 4:02 PM

    oh and blitz who is hiding, im on the internet here showing my face and supporting the buckeyes

    im sorry your jealousy of the big 10 has caused you to hate them

    I know, I know you will be like “oh i just hate the big 10 and im an observed watcher” maybe if your jealousy didnt reek so much we could get your point

    and your idiotic insults will come in 3…2..1..

  51. dkhhuey says: Dec 23, 2010 4:09 PM

    @blitz – got it!

    I always bow out when it gets to the usual my dick is bigger and or my father can beat up your dad level of SEC vs Big 10.

    I thoroughly understand the amazing amount of sh!t that is coming my way from all sides on this one and it REALLY pisses me off that these 6 idiots crapped all over the university all for a couple of bucks are at the cause of it all. However, I think it will continue all the way after the Sugar Bowl since given the amazingly amount of integrity these team leaders have shown, I doubt if they will now even show up on the 4th! Given our glorious record against the SEC – it will no doubt end up in another ass kicking. Oh well – life is usually grand as a Buckeye fan but today, not so much!

  52. tk1966 says: Dec 23, 2010 4:44 PM

    #gatorprof says: Dec 23, 2010 2:04 PM

    In a lot of cases, these kids come from very poor families and arrive on campus. Yes, they are given an education, fed, provided athletic apparel, etc. All good stuff. They have all of their needs met provided that they stay on campus.

    In a sense, they are somewhat held captive by the NCAA if they come from poor families.

    If they want to do anything else that requires money, they are screwed because they are not allowed to work part time jobs and they can’t take gifts, so if their family can’t give them money, they end up violating NCAA rules.

    Consider the following stuff that most young folks do in college that require money…

    1) Go out to clubs, movies, dinner, etc.
    2) Purchase clothing that isn’t “property of U athletic department”
    3) Try to buy a plane ticket to go home.
    4) Go out on a date.

    Normal poor kids on academic or need based scholarships can still take part time jobs to do this stuff. Athletes cannot because of potential abuses.

    __________________________________

    Ya’ know, if these poor abused kids don’t like it, they can do what the rest of us do. They can get college loans and pay for their own education, meals, housing, etc, and finish school deep in debt. These kids chose to accept the free education, so they also chose to play by these rules. Its like a celebrity whining about getting his picture taken while going to dinner. You made the choice, now live with it!

  53. cowboys4life says: Dec 23, 2010 4:48 PM

    Too bad the Razorbacks are gonna send these cheaters off on a losing note….

  54. brownstown2 says: Dec 23, 2010 5:32 PM

    blitz,

    Thanks for thinking of me, but if you had been tracking me, you’d know that I’ve been few and far between here of late. I come today BECAUSE of this fiasco. That said, here are my thoughts:

    Dumb. These guys, whether they technically knew or not, should probably have an inkling that you can’t sell off your U-issued trinkets. You can’t do anything as a NCAA student-athlete. So, they deserve to be suspended. I won’t try and condone what they did by making the relative comparisons with Teflon Cam. Wrong is wrong, no matter how consistent the NCAA is in doling out punishment.

    As far as 2011, the losses can be absorbed, at least after a few games of adjusting. OSU has a good QB recruit coming in and they have an unheralded guy, Guiton, that balls in the spring game. Either of those two could somewhat replace Pryor in the immediate term. Rod Smith would have started over Herron anyway, so no biggee. Posey was good, but has been regressing. Adams has been inconsistent, though was good this year. They’ll reload and contend for the Big Ten title, just without the Heisman contender.

    As far as Arkansas, haha, good one. Did Brantley collect his Heisman yet?

  55. WingT says: Dec 23, 2010 5:41 PM

    Blitz,
    Well stated regarding some of us regs want to hear from the Big 10 regs. I guess they can dish it out but not take it.

    To all Buckeyes – your program is dirty like a lot of other programs – get over it. You got caught and now you have to pay the price – get over it. And it appears that this is not a single isolated case but a problem that has been going on for several years. It was just a matter of time before you got caught.

    It will be interesting to see if Tressell will still allow the players to play in the Sugar bowl. Just because they are not suspended by the NCAA for the game does not mean that the university can send a message to the rest of the players and let them know that if you cheat, you don’t play.

  56. WingT says: Dec 23, 2010 5:55 PM

    @brownstown2
    Do you think Tressell will do anything in the way of punishment toward these players? Do you think he should? Just curious what your take is.

  57. edgy says: Dec 23, 2010 5:57 PM

    I always laugh at the people who talk about the players and their “free” education because they’re also the same guys that piss and moan about the “free” education that a lot of non-athletes get by either being much smarter or having a special talent that they didn’t have.

    BTW, “student” athletes of the past screwed it up for today’s players with their abuse of the “job” programs but in fairness, today’s players would do the same thing. The kids should be given enough walking around money AND as part of program, the school will have to have a week long benefits seminar at the beginning of each semester that each player will attend so that a school can’t use the excuse that their players don’t know better.

  58. dkhhuey says: Dec 23, 2010 5:58 PM

    @WingedIdiot – please enlighten me where I said anything other than saying these kids f@#$ed up and got what they deserved? So your statement that I need to get over seems a little bit on the clueless/ignorant side, eh?

    The entire program is dirty? 6 kids sell some stuff and you burp out the entire program is dirty? Really – stereotype and over reach much?

  59. WingT says: Dec 23, 2010 6:04 PM

    @dkhhuey
    Why all the anger? Why the name calling?

    Like I said before, you need to get over it…LOL

  60. WingT says: Dec 23, 2010 6:09 PM

    oh, I almost forgot

    roll tide

  61. dkhhuey says: Dec 23, 2010 6:11 PM

    @WingIdiot – LOL? What’s next moron… little smiley faces? How much gayer can you get?

  62. WingT says: Dec 23, 2010 6:16 PM

    :)

    ROFLMAO

    roll tide

  63. dkhhuey says: Dec 23, 2010 6:18 PM

    Thanks for proving my point!

  64. radicalhippie says: Dec 23, 2010 6:28 PM

    WHY aren’t they banned from the bowl game???

  65. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 7:03 PM

    @brownstown
    @wingedT

    I don’t want anyone suspended for the game—NO EXCUSES as the HOGS trample all over the dirty Buckeyes Hogs 31 Dirty Buckeyes 17

    Brownstown—knew you hadn’t been around a lot but neither have I. I couldn’t resist this though and have commented to death on this one.
    So nice to receive this early Christmas gift.
    I am surprised that Pryor doesn’t want any memories of Ohio St and would rather sell them as soon as he gets them in his dirty hands…….lol

    Merry Christmas to y’all and Happy New Year

  66. buckeye044 says: Dec 23, 2010 8:00 PM

    For those banging on the program, you need to go back and check what the NCAA found, which was individuals breaking the rules, not an institutional control thing.
    The boys screwed up and they received punishment. The university and athletic dept is not at fault.
    Being an Ohio State fan is like being a Yankee fan. When you are good, there are plenty of haters.

    Of course, that will mean nothing to blitz because he is incapable of understanding the difference.

  67. blitz4848 says: Dec 23, 2010 8:22 PM

    buckeye044

    You are out of touch—I don’t hate Ohio State I just like ragging on y’all since you had your fun in the beginning of the season downing the SEC—do you have a short memory? You don’t need to call names to make your point.

    BTW–you are 100% wrong! Ohio State was found to be wrong as the NCAA stated Ohio State did not provide the proper training on “gifting and regifting” and that is why they were NOT suspended for the bowl game.

    Your statement “Being an Ohio State fan is like being a Yankee fan. When you are good, there are plenty of haters.” MUST explain why you constantly ragged on the Gators at the beginning of the season….does that mean you don’t understand the difference?
    Merry Christmas

  68. bigtrav425 says: Dec 23, 2010 9:21 PM

    I dont blame them for what they did at all.Ya gotta like young people who actually care about there families enough to do what they have to do to help them.But obviously the NAZI’S in charge of the NCAA do not care..never have and more then likely never will.they make billions off of these guys whos parents/families struggle and they (the players) get NO compensation

  69. joerevs300 says: Dec 23, 2010 9:25 PM

    Gee, just ANOTHER disgraceful copout by the NCAA. What a way to make a statement guys.

    “yeah, you committed enough of a violation to be suspended for FIVE GAMES (about 1/2 of the season). But hey, you didn’t know right from wrong because we know you’re not adults yet, so we’ll let you play in a BCS game that will bring great ratings and lots of money into our coffers. You’re welcome.”

    Never have I been happier that Terrell Pryor chose Ohio State over Penn State. He wouldn’t have gotten out of Happy Valley with all his faculties if he had sold things like he has apparently done at OSU.

    Although…nothing makes me more happy in the world of college football to see more shame piled on “THE” Ohio State University, the biggest choke jobbers and system workers ever.

  70. joerevs300 says: Dec 23, 2010 9:27 PM

    Oh and memo to Terrell: No, it’s not funny that your family is suffering financially. But so are say, what, 20,000 or so families that are also sending their kids to OSU without scholarships and whose kids will end up bearing around 50-80K in student loans/debt for a decade or more to come? While also providing for themselves?

    Sorry…no sympathy votes here.

  71. edgy says: Dec 23, 2010 9:34 PM

    bigtrav425 says:

    I dont blame them for what they did at all.

    **************************

    Come on, that’s total baloney. I don’t believe for one moment that this was about them helping out their parents because that’s the first excuse that they learn when they hit campus. One guy is paying back $150, did his mom need gas money that week or what?

  72. anthroprof says: Dec 23, 2010 9:57 PM

    I always thought that, despite having some natural talent, Pryor was dumb as shit, and this appears to prove I was correct. He was too stupid to read opposing teams and too stupid to lead a respectable life. And obviously Tressel isn’t the leader of men he’s crackied up to be.

  73. huskersrock1 says: Dec 23, 2010 11:19 PM

    “I dont blame them for what they did at all.Ya gotta like young people who actually care about there families enough to do what they have to do to help them.But obviously the NAZI’S in charge of the NCAA do not care..never have and more then likely never will.they make billions off of these guys whos parents/families struggle and they (the players) get NO compensation”

    Yea these tattoos really helped their families. The average player receives 40-50 thousand dollars of benefits per year. Steak at the athletes table, tutors, personal training, plus tons of hot, stupid, whores to chauffeur them around and clean their knob. Give up on the pity trip chump.

  74. brownstown2 says: Dec 24, 2010 12:08 AM

    “Yea these tattoos really helped their families. The average player receives 40-50 thousand dollars of benefits per year. Steak at the athletes table, tutors, personal training, plus tons of hot, stupid, whores to chauffeur them around and clean their knob. Give up on the pity trip chump.”

    Ya know, I would have trained a lot harder in my HS years had the next level been articulated a little better for me.

  75. brownstown2 says: Dec 24, 2010 12:15 AM

    blitz,

    He’ll have OSU on his mind, or more specifically, his arm, for life. He can sell his awards, but he can’t sell his arm (that’s figurative and possibly literal, pending his combine performance). I don’t know how you can call them dirty. The school had nothing to do with their indiscretions, outside of giving them something of value that could be flipped. Though I doubt I can shove that genie back in your bottle.

    wingt,

    Honestly, I don’t think he should. The NCAA was pretty tough in their ruling (rightly so), so I see no need to add on to the penalty. The reality is that this is now the swan song for probably four of those guys, several of which would have come back next season. Besides, it’s not like it’s the championship game or anything.

  76. huskersrock1 says: Dec 24, 2010 1:50 AM

    “Ya know, I would have trained a lot harder in my HS years had the next level been articulated a little better for me.”

    Glad to help

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/360430/captain-hindsight

  77. WingT says: Dec 24, 2010 7:44 AM

    @brownstown
    I agree that the NCAA was tough in this case with the penalities they handed out. I would say there is a good chance for an appeal to work. I would think that OSU could make a stronger case to lessen the penalities if they showed that they took action by keeping them out of the bowl game.

    Pryor has really screwed himself. He needed next year to try and improve his draft potential. If he goes to the NFL this year he will be lucky to be taken on the first day of the draft.

  78. blitz4848 says: Dec 24, 2010 9:25 AM

    Terrell Pryor = Canadian Football League

  79. dkhhuey says: Dec 24, 2010 11:09 AM

    I’m not sure Pryor is automatically headed for the NFL because of this. OSU has already filed an appeal and there are many who believe the suspensions will be amended to 2 games. Contrary to what all the bashers on this board are saying – Pryor is a smart kid (academic grades to prove it) and when he screws up, he mans up, and then makes it right. Personally, I believe he is totally embarrassed for this F@#$ up and all the shame and bad attention it has focused on him and the university and will respond with a huge performance in the Sugar Bowl. I think he stays at the school for his senior year and has a stellar senior year.

    Then again, I could be a total Buckeye homer and watch him flop on the 4th, screw the university and turn pro… what do I know!

    Anyway, with or without him next year – it has been a helluva ride with many many many more good days than bad.

    GO BUCKEYES!!! I smell BACON BITS

  80. bodybaggame says: Dec 24, 2010 11:09 AM

    Can’t wait to see Pryor in the NFL, i mean think of all the hype that will surround him when he’s on the “hands team” of some NFL teams special teams unit,…

  81. dkhhuey says: Dec 24, 2010 11:37 AM

    @ bodybag – yep – and even on the hands team in the NFL or CFL, he will have accomplished more fame, fortune, and glory in his 21 years of life than your fat ass stuck to the beer stained couch has done in his entire life time.

  82. bodybaggame says: Dec 24, 2010 11:51 AM

    @dkhhuey…LOL……Didn’t mean to interrupt you’re man-crush…

  83. metalhead65 says: Dec 24, 2010 11:58 AM

    let’s see if I have this straight,the schools can sell jerseys with the kids name on them but the kid himself can’t?and the rings you recieve for winning awards and championships aren’t realy yours?the jersey they give you is not yours? this is beyond stupid!why can’t these kids be aloud to be like other students without having to resort to doing these things to make money?ever realy look to see how much time these kids actualy put into the programs they play for?and then they are expected to go to class besides all the workouts and practices in between. but they want some spending money for when they do have spare time and it’s a crime?

  84. dkhhuey says: Dec 24, 2010 12:44 PM

    You’re man crush?

    Spill more beer than drink it this early in the morning – you won’t start babbling so early

  85. WingT says: Dec 24, 2010 1:25 PM

    @bodybaggame
    Please please be careful with any posts you make aimed at Pryor, OSU or Huey…dkh could literally explode at any moment…lol. Oh, and he is sensitive to abbreviations such as LOL :) etc…watch out for those as well.

  86. dkhhuey says: Dec 24, 2010 3:06 PM

    @WingedIdiot – nope, just allergic to morons like yourself… aaaaChhooo

  87. cuteredmini says: Dec 24, 2010 4:09 PM

    Seriously, it is lame to use this type of story to talk about NCAA ‘fairness’ regarding the suspension of your favourite team (or lack thereof given to your opponents). The real problem lies within the fundamental structure and rules established by the NCAA.

    @ aheasl & @ gatorprof

    I completely agree with you guys on this issue. These NCAA rules are ridiculous! If it were not for these rules, I doubt players would have to resort to selling their rings. For these kids, many are hoping to use their talent in order to make some money to support their families. Many of them come from very underprivileged families and instead of turning to crime, they dedicate their time to sports in hopes of a better future. Yes universities give money and housing and scholarship, but this is not enough compared to the money they would be making as pros. How much money the NCAA makes from them?

    So the fact is yes they sold their shit. Regardless of them being knowledgable about this rule, I do not see how this is creating any sort of “unfairness” in terms of NCAA teams and the recruiting process. I can imagine how difficult it would be as a player who is so loved by the community and probably have offers and gifts thrown at them everyday yet cannot claim any of it.

  88. anthroprof says: Dec 24, 2010 4:14 PM

    dkhhuey:
    Are you kidding me? Pryor is a smart kid and has the grades to prove it? Are you actually going to suggest that his grades aren’t inflated or mere “gifts”? I teach at a Big Ten university and trust me — football players get passes like hot girls do. I don'[t care what his transcript says: I’ll bet my tenure that his grades are inflated… and he plays like a dumb shit too… he can’t read a defense, which is one reason why he ends up running the ball himself so often at the last minute.

  89. WingT says: Dec 24, 2010 5:02 PM

    What has Tressel said about all of this?

  90. dkhhuey says: Dec 24, 2010 6:53 PM

    @prof – Not every single student gets a pass because they’re athletes and/or attractive. There are two paths that he could be taking and one is either failing/struggling or passing/excelling. He is doing the latter so he does have some intelligence regardless of how you want to lump everybody into the same corner. I took ridiculously easy classes as well as extremely difficult as does everybody in college so jump of your sanctimonious mount snob that its limited to sports athletes.

    Pryor is not a genius by any stretch of the imagination nor is he a complete idiot like you’re making him out to be.

    I’ll take your bet and raise you a gazzillion bagillion dollars that his grades aren’t inflated.

  91. anthroprof says: Dec 24, 2010 11:51 PM

    well of course we’ll never really know the answer to this question, but I’ll still bet his grades are inflated

  92. hogfanfromwayback says: Dec 26, 2010 8:27 AM

    I love to see all the self righteous buckeye fans delude themselves. You can try to rationalize all this but when it is all said and done, they broke the rules and should be punished. There is no way to know for sure that they will come back for their punishment. They may all opt out for the draft and then you have a violation with no punishment. I know what my team has done in the past when they had team rules violations the week of the bowl game. Lou Holtz suspended his three star players for the Orange bowl against Oklahoma. These were just team rules and not NCAA violations. So by implication they are a lot less serious than what the ohio state players did. Lou Holtz, a Woody Hays diciple, suspended his players for the bowl game. He did this himself and did not cowtow to any pressure to reinstate them. They were underdogs to begin with and nobody game them a chance to beat Oklahoma. They won, I believe it was 31-3, and it was one of the greatest upsets in bowl history. That Mr. Tressel is what a real Woody Hays deciple would do. Stand on your principles and do what is right. Then if you win, you will have something to be proud of. Right now if you win, it will forever be tarnished.

  93. dkhhuey says: Dec 27, 2010 11:13 AM

    @hog – please show me one Buckeye poster on this board that has said anything other than what these kids did was wrong! There is not ONE post on this board that is deluding themselves on anything. Typical comprehension error – you read what you want to read no matter what has actually been written.

    Whether you agree or not with the suspension of next year’s 5 games was too harsh or not harsh enough, or whether they should play in the Sugar Bowl game or not is a totally different argument. However, to call out Tressel for not starting his star players when the NCAA said they could play in the Sugar Bowl game is ridiculous. The man’s job is to win football games and that is what he is trying to do. Did he violate the rules? NO. Could he have stopped those kids from selling their stuff? NO. Was he the person responsible for determining the suspensions? NO. Could Tressel kick them off the team? Yes. Could he also suspend them for the Sugar Bowl game? Yes. But how utterly stupid would that be? There is no integrity issue here. The NCAA handed out their punishment and these kids will pay the penalty they deserved for their mistakes. There is no reason Tressel needs to dog pile on these kids or hammer the rest of non offending teammates in the process.

  94. edgy says: Dec 27, 2010 11:40 AM

    dkhhuey says:

    ***********************

    I have to disagree. Tressel KNOWS that his kids knew the rules and the NCAA made an excuse for them (if they REALLY didn’t know then it’s his and the university’s responsibility because they’re REQUIRED to school them in the rules. I find it very hard to believe that they didn’t do their job or else the holier-than-thou attitude that Buckeye fans wear about their program is as phony as a teary-eyed Jimmy Swaggart apology). He should suspend them from the bowl game because it’s the RIGHT thing to do, just like Holtz did at Arkansas.

  95. dkhhuey says: Dec 27, 2010 2:21 PM

    @edgy – if Tressel came out and said it was the kids fault then he would get a tsunami of sh!t about hanging his kids out to dry. He is doing what he should be doing and that is to take the heat and the blame for this – right or wrong is up for debate. We can most certainly speculate that with the vast amount of time spent lecturing on the subject backed up with the amount of people they have on staff that do that for a living, these kids absolutely knew what they were doing was wrong. We can certainly come out and accuse them of such knowledge as well. Tressel doesn’t have that luxury. If those kids say they didn’t realize what they were doing was wrong, then he is in no position to assume they were/are lying. Having said that, even if they did confess to him that they knew it was wrong, Tressel still has to take the heat and the blame for it and then deal with it internally. Since these kids have never been in trouble before (at least I don’t think they have), the benefit of doubt has to be afforded them. I personally don’t hang around these guys every hour of the day so I am in no position to make the call. I do, however, have the utmost faith that Tressel will do the right thing, in his mind, given the facts of the situation, which, I may say, he is much closer to than any of us.

    Myself, right now, I’m too pissed off to care! In my eyes, what these kids did showed an incredible lack of judgment and integrity and brought a ton of bad publicity and embarrassment to the university, coaching staff, alumni, and fans – all for a few thousand dollars.

    Enough with the analogies between Tressel and Elmer Fudd Holtz

  96. edgy says: Dec 27, 2010 2:48 PM

    dkhhuey says:

    ******************

    Baloney. Tressel is MOST CERTAINLY in a position to know since he does run the frigging program or are you going to cite an excuse that might turn this into a lack of institutional control? Either he KNOWS that they got the training and someone — and I’m not saying that it’s him — lied to the NCAA (or the NCAA is covering up with their own made up excuse) or he knows that they didn’t and HE is culpable for not giving them the training. As for the benefit of the doubt excuse, how many of the guys that were suspended for other teams before the bowls had no previous troubles and their coaches AREN’T giving them the benefit of the doubt? It’s cut and dried that they DID violate the NCAA rules and whether they did it before or not, is of no consequence and YES, he is in the position to know whether they’re lying or not because — again — he runs the frigging program and should know whether they got the training or not.

    Oh and while I’m not a big fan of Holtz, he did show a lot of ETHICS by doing something that many of his present day peers wouldn’t do. Does that disturb you or what? Seriously, not only are you making excuses for the coach but now, you don’t like the questioning of his ethics, as well. I like the guy but he has to show that he has some by suspending the players but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

  97. dkhhuey says: Dec 27, 2010 3:53 PM

    @edgy – and you would absolutely know this because you are a god and are all knowing, all seeing at Ohio State or are you Jim Tressel’s personal assistant? Its very easy for you to sit on your couch and throw blanket accusations around like your empty bags of Doritos but that doesn’t make it fact. Tressel has suspended players before so there is precedence that if they are deserving of it, it will happen. I am simply stating that Tressel has earned the right and is in the position to make that called based on the actual facts of the situations. Unlike yourself, who has absolutely no insight into the situation what-so-ever, other than your own opinion.

    As for Holtz – you are citing one incident that occurred over a huge span of incidents and events he had to deal with. I could no doubt find one of those for every single coach, starting with Tressel, but again, I don’t see the relevance here. Every single event is different and has its own set of circumstances which is why I don’t see the relevance to this and Cam Newton as many people seemed hell bent on melding together.

  98. edgy says: Dec 27, 2010 4:34 PM

    Look, you can be dense or in denial but the fact is that Tressel is the HEAD COACH and he damn sure better know what’s going on with his program or else he needs to resign. I don’t expect that he should know who is paying his players or if they’re getting paid or if they’ve contacted an agent or were contacted by an agent because those are out of his hands BUT he damn sure needs to know what’s going on when it comes to HIS program, especially when it comes to compliance because if he doesn’t then he needs to go find another job. You’re now starting to sound like one of those idiots who were making excuses for Kelly when that kid got killed on HIS field.

    As for my insight, buckwheat, if this were Lane Kiffin, you’d be shitting a gray turd if he were the one involved and you’d be making the same argument that I am. I’d be saying the same thing, no matter who the coach is because ultimately, he has the responsibility for running his program and he damn well better know what’s going on or else he should find another job. You can’t use the excuse that these kids may have lied to Tressel because he HAS to know what’s going on with HIS program or else he needs to find a job that doesn’t have as much responsibility.

  99. dkhhuey says: Dec 27, 2010 9:09 PM

    @edgy – I could care less about Lane Kiffin or what he pulled at Tennessee or at USC, and no, I wouldn’t treat it any different. Pete Carroll and the university was found to have a lack of control. Since I am not on campus or part of that program, I have to assume that the NCAA had enough proof to level those charges and hand out that severe of a penalty.

    In this case, at OSU, they have a staff of 7 or more to ensure compliance is understood throughout the entire sports program. Tressel no doubt stresses these subjects constantly and he has to assume his kids are listening and understanding given that much exposure to it. However, if you’re sitting on your couch and telling me that Jim Tressel and every other coach has to know every single action of every single player at every single minute then you smoking some seriously good weed/crack. Yes, he is ultimately responsible which is why he is at the press conference taking the blame for it. However, there is no way in the world to keep kids out of trouble if they ignore the rules and pull this type of sh!t. When it does go down, you take your punishment and move on.

  100. edgy says: Dec 28, 2010 11:22 AM

    You moron, I said no such thing but you’re so stupid that you obviously CAN’T read. I said and I’ll QUOTE IT FOR YOU, “I don’t expect that he should know who is paying his players or if they’re getting paid or if they’ve contacted an agent or were contacted by an agent because those are out of his hands BUT he damn sure needs to know what’s going on when it comes to HIS program, especially when it comes to compliance because if he doesn’t then he needs to go find another job.”

    In other words, you boob, I DON’T expect him or any coach to know what his players are doing 24 hours a day BUT I do expect that he knows what they should have done IN HIS PROGRAM. If they were supposed to take a compliance class, he better know that they took it and what they covered because it AFFECTS his program.

    A coach HAS TO know what’s going on or else he’s derelict in his duties. Unless he knew that these players were selling their stuff for tats (or mom’s tats), you can’t blame him for the ACTION but you can blame him for the intent because they should have known it was illegal. Once he made sure of that fact, it then falls on the player and the excuse rings hollow because they KNEW it was wrong (and if they really WEREN’T taught then maybe they should suspend the coach for the bowl game and the first 5 games next year).

    Ohio State and its fans are pretty sanctimonious about telling everyone how THE Ohio State does things right and their players are given all the training they need to stay in compliance and YET, they are now saying that the university fell flat on its face and forgot to tell its players a basic fact that should have been taught at Compliance 101, on the first day. I don’t buy it.

  101. edgy says: Dec 28, 2010 11:33 AM

    ON thing, I’m not blaming him for what they DID but I am saying that any excuse that they weren’t taught that this was wrong is a farce because they should have been told that on the first day AND if they weren’t then he needs to be held accountable because he should have made sure that this was on the agenda. I realize that people think that they can take the BP way out and claim ignorance of what’s going on and put off the responsibility to others but that’s not the case. I won’t hold him responsible for his kids getting DUIs or selling their stuff BUT I will hold him responsible if he or the university wants to say that they didn’t learn that it was illegal to sell their stuff (What’s next: I didn’t know it was illegal to take $75,000 from an agent because they didn’t teach me that in compliance class). This is Ohio State’s “My daddy did it” excuse and if it works, you’ll see more schools using it.

  102. edgy says: Dec 28, 2010 3:13 PM

    BTW, if you watched “Outside The Lines”, former Ohio State players talked about the fact that THEY were told that it was illegal to do what they did and while they weren’t in the room when they got their training, THEY got training that told them specifically that it was wrong so it’s bull sh*t to continue to make excuses for those players.

  103. dkhhuey says: Dec 28, 2010 10:40 PM

    @edgy – dude – whatever you’re smoking you need to put it down now, sober up, and settle down. You’re babbling, rambling, and drooling all over yourself.

    I’ll close with one last comment and then I’m done. OSU has one of the biggest compliance staff to work with student athletes to ensure they are educated in the NCAA requirements and provide them with an avenue for questions and discussions if they require it. Tressel and the coaching staff are constantly harping on the subject so the kids are aware of the rules and know where to go if they have any questions. Tressel, his staff, the university, fellow students, their parents, boyfriends/girlfriends, and any other person they come in contact with are NOT in control of each person, nor can they monitor them 24/7. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the university and the coaching staff to track each athlete’s actions and know what they are doing. They are coaches, not babysitters and if they kids insist on breaking the rules, then they have ever opportunity to do so. Once a kid violates the rules and gets caught, the university and the coaching staff can only sit there and reiterate that they do indeed have the system in place to train and provide support to their athletes in the compliance arena and deal with the fallout when it is handed down.

  104. edgy says: Dec 28, 2010 10:53 PM

    Read my last comment, you MORON. Former Ohio State players call them liars because they had the class and it addressed the issue. I guess you don’t want to deal with the reality that your U whored itself out for the $ugar Bowl. Don’t forget to wear your clear heels when you’re watching the game.

  105. edgy says: Dec 28, 2010 11:08 PM

    BTW, you apparently have a big problem with responsibility. I bet you make all kind of excuses when things go wrong for you. I feel sorry for people like you but I don’t have any sympathy.

  106. dkhhuey says: Dec 28, 2010 11:16 PM

    Dude – you are a complete ass – all you do is throw around insults and act as though you are an expert at every subject. Sorry, the last thing I need is pity from somebody as pathetic as yourself.

  107. edgy says: Dec 28, 2010 11:42 PM

    You Big 10 guys are pretty arrogant, especially when it comes to crapping on other conferences when it comes to this crap and yet, you certainly can’t take your own medicine. If pointing that out is being an ass then I can live with that, you pathetic hypocrite.

  108. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 28, 2010 11:46 PM

    edgy you are a worthless piece of sh** and needs to end up like us sister….lame and moronic

    does it hurt now that lou holtz just di** slapped you when at the halftime of the missouri iowa game he just said the penalty was too great and that they should be allowed to play in the sugar bowl?

    so for all of your “insight” and doing “what is right” is complete BS….i mean how dumb and stupid are you? You teied to rip on people for defending not suspending, then cite lou holtz and he totally destroys you! When are you gonna realize no one cares about you? Literally you could just quit this website and people would be greatful

    even john taylor would proclaim with a post how happy he is that worthless edgy has given up with spewing his dumbass crap

    we have all lowered our IQs from listening to the rantings and raving of a delusional, sociopathic idiot

  109. Ben Kercheval says: Dec 28, 2010 11:54 PM

    fake edgy

    May I recommend going outside for a few minutes? Maybe getting some fresh air?

  110. edgy says: Dec 29, 2010 12:13 AM

    Funny how you piss all over a person who can’t defend themselves just to prove that you are the most retarded and worthless piece of shit here. I plan on showing this to my sister tomorrow and if I can get her to do it, I’ll make sure to post a picture on my web site of her giving YOU the finger, complete with a note that makes no mistake as to who that is directed toward.

    As for what Holtz said, you’ve also conveniently left out that his partner said totally the opposite or did you think I missed that part as well, retard?

    BTW, why don’t you go back to your real name because it’s time that you show everyone who you really are and stop showing that you’re too embarrassed about who you are.

  111. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 29, 2010 12:16 AM

    Mr. Kercheval, I’m glad you are in here. It’s sad people don’t realize how big of a fool edgy is.

    read his posts, read my post, they read the same: one minor football idea laden with insults and attacks.

    edgy will come on here and insult me, but I don’t care, he talks crap , cries, and never backs it up; if you disagree with him, then you are a moron.

    I’m surprised he hasn’t called you out Ben, he calls out everyone who states a voice of reason

  112. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 29, 2010 12:22 AM

    edgy you moron, I attack you because you attack me, maybe if you left person insults out, I would leave them out.

    that being said, you stated what lou holtz would do, and he did the exact opposite……i don’t care what mark may said or thought, I’m referring to what you said about lou holtz and what LOU HOLTZ ACTUALLY SAID

    I mean dude how dense are you?

  113. John Taylor says: Dec 29, 2010 12:45 AM

    You both can feel free to stop it right now.

    Fake edgy, you went over the line big time, and for the last time. Never banned anybody from this site before. Hell, a dude wished death on my four-year-old daughter and he’s still free to post; you pull that crap again with somebody’s loved one, consider yourself booted.

    This personal crap between you two stops right here, right now.

  114. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 29, 2010 12:52 AM

    john, I am sorry I offended edgys sister, that was over the line, but I ask people to read edgys posts and under stand what I am saying. Edgy will insult every person on here with blatant personal attacks, and no one says anything, but once anyone else calls edgy out, he flips out.

    no disrespect to you john, and I am sorry that someone would be asinine enough to death threaten your daughter, and that is of gravest offenses. My only point is that I will insult edgy when he insults me.

    I will be the bigger person and lay off edgy, but I don’t understand how personal attacks against dkhuey, deb, blitz, wingt, brownstown, even you, are seen as ok by edgy…..i guess that’s why they pay you and not me

  115. edgy says: Dec 29, 2010 12:59 AM

    Really, you retard? I didn’t say what he would do but I said what he had done or do you now need reading lessons besides having to go back and take a course on spelling and grammar?

    Apparently, I’m NOT as dense as you because you’re trying to say that I said one thing when I didn’t, FOREST BUCKF*CK, FYI, several former Buckeyes have called out the players and they said that they learned FROM THE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT that they couldn’t sell their crap so that excuse doesn’t hold water. THAT is supposedly the ONLY reason why the NCAA didn’t suspend them for the bowl.

    Also, he brought up his own playing days as an example. Well, back then he was playing for a pissant program that was even more of a pissant program than it is today (they weren’t even good enough for the Big 10 to want to walk over them) and they didn’t deal with the same rules as they do today AND he could have all the phony jobs that he wanted. He didn’t get bowl memorabilia, he didn’t get a championship ring, he was given a special uniform for beating a hated opponent so what would he know about and unlike his partner, he never accumulated the kind of hardware that he did so he wasn’t put in the same position. That being said, he’s also softened his stance since entering the booth and I doubt that he’d have the same attitude if he were still prowling the sidelines.

  116. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 29, 2010 1:04 AM

    if we look at it this way, these young me sold their own property for fair market value. Not to an agent, not to a booster. For extra pending money.

    aj green sold a jersey for thousands of dollars to an “advisor” aka an agent. He received fewer games even tho you could clearly tell this was an advancement of funds for future payback. They sold their own property and didn’t realize they couldn’t sell their own property, that is why they are in the sugar bowl, but suspended for 5 games next season

  117. Ben Kercheval says: Dec 29, 2010 1:11 AM

    Yeah, we really need to cut the “retard” stuff, too.

  118. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 29, 2010 1:16 AM

    I agree with you there ben, never have, and never will use that word

  119. John Taylor says: Dec 29, 2010 1:36 AM

    Here’s the deal, both of you: no grace, no mercy. Step over the line again — and you both know very well what that line is — and you’re done on here. Don’t have time to babysit people who I’m assuming are adults.

    I’m really all about free speech and people being allowed to vent and what have you, but you both of you — more so than anybody else, and it’s not even close — have taken that “ideal” and shit all over it.

    Now, it will stop. One way or the other. Y’all can either self-censor or I’ll do it for ya. Your choice.

  120. edgy loves (insert overrated MWC/WAC team) and I love Ohio State says: Dec 29, 2010 1:44 AM

    edgy I do want to apologize for what I said abourt ur sister. I am embarrassed by it and I want to say that it will never happen again

    and I will change my username because it has worn out is welcome and what john said has set me straight

    if you have any suggestions please feel free to fire away

  121. edgy says: Dec 29, 2010 12:37 PM

    Why don’t you use your original.

    As for your comment, are you serious? Do you know that many professional athletes have a “no adults” policy when it comes to signing autographs and to get around that, many professional autograph seekers send their version of runners, young kids, to the autograph line to get around that. That’s why the NCAA doesn’t make a distinction when it comes to selling their stuff because they could just as easily sell it to a “non-agent”, who is really a runner and claim that they just sold it to an ordinary citizen.

    Again, they DID know that it was wrong because they WERE told that it was wrong by the compliance department. Several RECENT Buckeyes have said so and they don’t have axes to grind against the school so why should they lie? These guys got caught and they (or the school) tried to get around the fact that they knew it was wrong by lying.

    Frankly, if Ohio State and the NCAA want to address this issue then they need to either allow them to hold phony jobs and let the alumni pay them a standard stipend and ONLY a standard stipend and if they get any more then they should come down hard on them or they need to stop giving them stuff to sell. Seriously, if Ohio State or the Big Ten had enough money to pass out to to buy them championship rings and special uniforms for beating Ohio State then they’ve got enough money to give them — wait for it — MONEY.

    I think it’s hypocritical that you Buckeye fans have been so holier than thou about this and have been giving the SEC fans grief for their transgressions but man, you nearly have a cow when the shoe is on the other foot. You guys know it’s wrong and have said so BUT then you scream at everyone when they point out the hypocrisy.

    FACT: the NCAA says that the players didn’t know that it was wrong and that’s why they’re allowed to play in the Sugar Daddy Bowl BUT that excuse doesn’t hold water for 5 regular season games next season. Either they didn’t know and that’s an excuse and they shouldn’t be suspended for ANY games OR they did know OR ignorance of the law is no excuse and they should be suspended for the bowl AND the five games. This is every bit as bad as “I didn’t know what daddy did” because NOW any player can claim that they didn’t know that it was illegal to do anything and that their school didn’t teach them that it wasn’t and could point to this decision as a precedent.

  122. edgy says: Dec 29, 2010 12:41 PM

    I meant beating Michigan.

  123. dkhhuey says: Dec 29, 2010 6:51 PM

    @edgy –

    Here are your quotes from only 2 threads I could not doubt find several hundred more but quite frankly, I don’t want to waste anymore of my time proving my point:

    There goes the moral authority that the Buckeyes and their fans lorded over the SEC (I guess they do live by the Golden Rule: them that’s got the Gold, makes the Rules)

    I find it very hard to believe that they didn’t do their job or else the holier-than-thou attitude that Buckeye fans wear about their program is as phony as a teary-eyed Jimmy Swaggart apology).

    Ohio State and its fans are pretty sanctimonious about telling everyone how THE Ohio State does things right and their players are given all the training they need to stay in compliance and YET, they are now saying that the university fell flat on its face and forgot to tell its players a basic fact that should have been taught at Compliance 101, on the first day. I don’t buy it.

    You Big 10 guys are pretty arrogant, especially when it comes to crapping on other conferences when it comes to this crap and yet, you certainly can’t take your own medicine.

    I think it’s hypocritical that you Buckeye fans have been so holier than thou about this and have been giving the SEC fans grief for their transgressions but man, you nearly have a cow when the shoe is on the other foot.

  124. edgy says: Dec 29, 2010 7:01 PM

    What point are you trying to prove: that you guys are bunch of hypocrites that can’t stand having that pointed out?

  125. hogfanfromwayback says: Dec 29, 2010 9:35 PM

    huey, I think you are the one with a comprehension problem. If you would read the full comment that I made and not just the first few words you might understand what I said. So let me slow it down for you ohio fans. There will be no punishment if they don’t come back. So there is a violation and no punishment. Lou has softened in his old age and is not holding Tressel to the same standard he held himself to. Good for Lou, he is still one of the greatest coaches of all time. But it still does not change the fact that these guys are going to get off scott free and there will be nothing ever done about it. On the off chance that ohio were to beat Arkansas it will be a hollow victory. They will have sacrificed their integrity for a win. The great thing about the Orange bowl that I talked about is Arkansas won in a huge way. With their integrity in tact. When you talk about winning football games as being a coach’s job, that is true. But that is not the only thing he is there to do. My coaches always taught me more about life and character than about any sport that I played. Hardship reveals character, I guess everyone can see Mr. Tressels character and priorities.

  126. dkhhuey says: Dec 30, 2010 1:37 AM

    @hogfan

    Please – you were spouting shit about how Lou was a badge of honor when he coached at Arkanhillbillysas and suspended a few players for failing incest 101. Now that he has come out and said the punishment the NCAA handed out was just and no need to administer anything else, you’re back peddling.

    I love the way you’re already making excuses for when OSU kicks the shit out of your hillbilly pig worshiping asses. SOOOOOooieeee… here piggy piggy piggy. Ryan Mullet is a michigan POS and you already know how we beat them like a step child

  127. edgy says: Dec 30, 2010 11:57 AM

    There he goes, playing the hillbilly card. I think that the SEC fans are getting really tired of the fact that you can’t take your own medicine and have to go back to your Buckeye ways of pissing all over the South.

  128. gotta keep my mouth shut says: Dec 30, 2010 5:26 PM

    but the south is the least educated lol look up statistics and you will see that the south, as a whole, is a lesser educated region

  129. hogfanfromwayback says: Jan 1, 2011 5:30 AM

    I see baby huey refuses to address the main issue that I brought up, which I will repeat, if they don’t come back there is no punishment. How do you reconcile that? And yes we look at the Orange bowl victory over oklahoma as a badge of honor, but that is because we won with honor. I hated the fact that they screwed up and got suspended, but it made the victory even more special. Now as to the vile and repugnant nature of your attacks on southern people in general, you simply show your own ignorance of the situation. All you have to spout is some worn out stereotype from the past. While gotta keep my mouth shut may have a point about the education gap, it is not as big as it used to be. The south has it share of ignorant people, but then again they do not have a monopoly on ignorance. My case in point “huey”. Now there is a prime example of an ingnorant buckeye who simply has knee jerk reactions to anything negative said about ohio state. I am not an ignorant hillbilly, and before you expose your own level of education I would urge you to think before you post.

  130. cowboys4life says: Jan 1, 2011 1:16 PM

    @gotta keep my mouth shut

    Your sentence structure would prove otherwise. If you’re going to criticize someone’s education, please check sentence structure and punctuation before doing so. LOL what a dumb ass

  131. gotta keep my mouth shut says: Jan 1, 2011 4:12 PM

    lol cowboyfaglife, please look it up and tell me how “me’s be da wrongest on the sentence structure”

    oh wait that’s a southerner for you lol rip all you want, but with nawlins and the ATL you can’t say anything

  132. hogfanfromwayback says: Jan 1, 2011 8:26 PM

    Another buckeye who misses the point. Now if only you could live up to your name. I don’t seem to remember insulting your educational level. Actually I think I agreed with you on the education gap between the north and the south. The next time you begin work on your great literary work I am sure it will be without mistake. Thank God for the intellectual giant that you are. You and your ilk still cannot understand why those players should be suspended. What would Woody Hays do? I don’t think there is any question. He was a legend and a tremendous leader. His players would have been suspended and he would have gone on to play the game with his principles in tact.

  133. gotta keep my mouth shut says: Jan 1, 2011 9:00 PM

    OMG!!!!! I didn’t know Woody Hayes was back from the dead and is posting as hogfanfromwayback!!!!!

    thank you woody for telling us what you would do if you were OSU’s coach of today!

    oh wait ur not woody? Well then why do I give a shit about what you think woody would do lol

    I believe if you read earlier about lou holtz and what people said he would do, then saw on espn what lou holtz SAID HE WOULD ACTUALLY DO

    does it hurt to be wrong or what lol

  134. hogfanfromwayback says: Jan 2, 2011 9:50 AM

    The game will settle it all. Come to think of it the only way ohio st. can make a game of it is to have all the violators play. Considering how the big ten has done so far against the SEC. The SEC has totally dominated the so called big ten. Lets not forget little TCU either. The brand of football that is played in the big ten is outdated and it shows. You can’t compete with the SEC or any other conference, judging by the bowl games anyway. By the way mouth, check out sportscenter or college game day when they discuss this issue, they don’t seem to think they should play either. Let your your guys play otherwise it would be such a blow out nobody would want to watch. That is all the NCAA cares about anyway.

  135. CBFAN says: Jan 13, 2011 3:57 PM

    I know this is an old thread but I can’t help but respond to the last post from Hogfan. What was that you said? Ohio State can’t compete with the SEC? Wonder what you have to say now that OSU kicked your ass!

  136. gotta keep my mouth shut says: Jan 13, 2011 8:23 PM

    wow ouch hogfanfromway back…..im sad we havent seen you on here since you had to eat ur words

    how do they taste

  137. CBFAN says: Jan 14, 2011 8:31 AM

    Are you out there Hogfan? Hello? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

  138. dkhhuey says: Jan 14, 2011 4:09 PM

    I’m guessing that crow he had to swallow didn’t go down all that well! No doubt still sitting in his tv room with the pig hat on staring at the screen

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