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Gary Pinkel on Big 12 instability: ‘We all know where it starts’

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And, in Pinkel’s professional opinion, it starts in Austin, travels north on I-35 and ends in Irving.

Appearing on Tim Brando‘s radio show this morning, the Missouri head coach had some not-so-rosy comments about the current state of the Big 12. Earlier this week, Texas A&M officially followed the likes of Nebraska and Colorado, who left for the Big Ten and Pac-12 last summer, respectively, by notifying the conference that it would be withdrawing its membership. An invite to join the SEC is almost surely to follow.

You can listen to Pinkel’s whole interview HERE, but below is the money quote:

“Obviously, we have some issues in our league. When you have Nebraska leave one year. Colorado leaves. Also now Texas A&M. Three really good football teams. … You know, we’ve got some issues. Without question there’s some issues that other leagues don’t have. You don’t hear anything about any other league in the country having these kind of problems. We all know where it starts. Mike Alden’s not the point man here. Dan Beebe is. Dan Beebe’s our commissioner. He’s the guy to ask. I don’t know what they’re going to do. I’m just focusing now on winning the football game. … There’s just no one in the country, no other league in the country, where this stuff goes on. And it’s really a shame because the potential of the league is just so tremendous.

“Anyway, I have no control over it. We’re just trying to beat Miami (Ohio).”

Nice save.

But it’s pretty clear that Pinkel is voicing the displeasure that certainly most other — if not all — Big 12 members feel: that commissioner Dan Beebe catered to Texas’ desire to start the Longhorn Network last summer and the Big 12 is getting weaker by the year because of it.

Interestingly enough, Missouri athletic director Mike Alden, the man who claims Mizzou is committed to the Big 12, had this to say about the LHN:

“I think what it means for us, it means we have to continue to find ways to deliver our product.

I agree; Texas is in no way at fault for starting the LHN. UT has developed their brand into arguably the strongest in college football. Finding ways to monetize it* is called capitalism**.

(*note: although, in fairness, maybe the LHN should pick up some major carriers first…)

(**note: keeping the profits from the players who help bring it in is the greedy part, but that’s another topic for another day)

Beebe made a choice last year to give UT what they wanted because the Big 12 is only as strong as Texas and Oklahoma want it to be. While a potential departure by Missouri would be another devastating blow, the Big 12 can survive as long as Texas and Oklahoma are members.

The conference won’t be as strong or as deep barring some seriously upgraded additions, but it can survive.

Even if the other members don’t like it.

(Big Thanks: Columbia Tribune)

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34 Responses to “Gary Pinkel on Big 12 instability: ‘We all know where it starts’”
  1. alligatorsnapper says: Sep 2, 2011 2:33 PM

    Pinkel showed his great concern with class. If anything, he understated the problems with the Big 12. Pinkel was correct about the Big 12 having great potential but about 2 years behind. They HAD great potential BEFORE they capitulated to Texas and are now becoming weaker and weaker as Ben accurately wrote.

    It is sad to see this happen. Some really good teams, good schools and every once in a while one or two great teams. Really like Brando, met him numerous times when he was located in Louisiana.

    Keep the folks in south Lousiana in your thoughts and prayers. Marshes burning with dryest conditions in 80 years, smoke affecting breathing all over, now up to 20 inches of rain predicted.

  2. gorilladunk says: Sep 2, 2011 2:35 PM

    “UT has developed their brand into arguably the strongest in the nation”…..UT HAS developed their “brand”. Unfortunately, that hasn’t translated onto the field of play. Texas’ brand is so strong because of the millions (mainly here in Texas and some across the nation) that have become members of the “t-shirt nation.” Most UT fans couldn’t find the campus with a road map and a GPS. They just buy a t-shirt and a cap at the local convenience store and proclaim themselves “die-hard” Horns fans. I’m surrounded by these bandwagon jumpers every day. They have no idea about the history of the program and can’t name 4 players on the team. A couple more seasons like last year and they’ll find a new t-shirt to buy.

  3. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Sep 2, 2011 2:35 PM

    Two teams do not a conference make. The SEC is great because of its depth. The Big 10 is close.

    Look to the world of soccer for a perfect analogy. The Premier League in England is the best league in the world, because of its depth. Revenue split equally for tv monies. Those teams that qualify for additional European competitions get additional income for themselves.

    The Spanish league is shite because 2 teams get 70% of the tv revenue while the remaining 18 teams split the remaining 30%.

  4. paulbrownsrevenge says: Sep 2, 2011 2:44 PM

    If A&M goes to the SEC, Mizzou will be welcomed into the Big10. I’ve heard Iowa State would be the next team invited.(basketball, wrestling) we shall see. I’m curious to see who the SEC goes after to even the league. My guess is West Virginia.

    ACC would probably go after UCONN, and Pitt.

    I think once this stone starts rolling, look for the big east to be picked apart. What hurts Pitt’s value is they need their own stadium.

  5. alligatorsnapper says: Sep 2, 2011 2:55 PM

    paulbrownsrevenge: Do you think Missouri will go into the Big 10 rather than the SEC? If they do would Florida State be willing to upgrade to the SEC with the former LSU coach Jimbo Fisher maybe preferring the SEC?

    If the Big East would be picked apart as I agree, wouldn’t the Big 12 suffer the same fate?

  6. bender4700 says: Sep 2, 2011 3:01 PM

    @Tom

    The Big Ten is about to get larger. I think they’ll grab Missouri, and then snatch up PITT along with Syracuse. The 4th team will be a carot to ND that won’t get bit, then I think they grab Louisville to get themselves down south a bit. Or possibly Virignia Tech.

    I just get the feeling the Big Ten isn’t as comfortable at 12 as they claim, or they very well could just say, hey, we got 4 power house teams with 3 teams who can rise up through the ranks (Michigan State, Iowa, and Wisconsin).

    It should be interesting.

    Considering the Big Ten’s logo, and division structure makes adding 2 or 4 teams very easy, I’m leaning more towards they expand.

  7. dkhhuey says: Sep 2, 2011 3:10 PM

    As the self appointed commissioner of the Big Ten without a single iota of power, authority, or position to do so – hereby extend an invitation to Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to join the Big Ten! Now THAT would be one helluva conference!

  8. lemmam says: Sep 2, 2011 3:33 PM

    I agree; Texas is in no way at fault for starting the LHN. UT has developed their brand into arguably the strongest in college football. Finding ways to monetize it* is called capitalism**.

    I’ll call bs on the above. No other conference in the US of frickin’ A would allow the longhorn network. That is why the big xii will fold – sooner than later. You’ve got to be out of your mind to think the longhorn network is good for college sports. And as of 2:00 PM CDT on 9-2-2011 how many providers are offering the lhn?

  9. pricecube says: Sep 2, 2011 4:00 PM

    I think Mizzou will likely have offers from the B1g and SEC… it will be interesting to see where they decide to land. Both great conferences… SEC is slightly more competitive on the field and B1g is slightly more prestigious academically.

  10. polegojim says: Sep 2, 2011 4:03 PM

    Face it, UT needs to go independent, that’s how they act, that’s how they’ve always acted, that’s what they want.

    No one faults UT for ‘capitalism’, that’s not even remotely the point. The point is unwarranted elitism and selfishness, along with a heavy does of inconsideration.

    I agree UT has certainly built a brand… outside of it’s alum and two feet north of the Red River, it’s not a brand the rest of the nation, nor fellow conference programs can stomach.

    The Lone Star Program can go it Alone. Enjoy.

  11. polegojim says: Sep 2, 2011 4:05 PM

    @pricecube -actually much more than ‘slightly’ ; )

  12. bender4700 says: Sep 2, 2011 4:18 PM

    I think people claiming Texas is one of the top programs in the country is a bit off base, it’s tops in the state of Texas, that has a large population. They are not huge in New York, California, or Florida.

    I think gorilladunk said it right. Texas has a high number of band wagon fans. Living in Omaha before I moved to So Cal I knew a lot of people that had Texas T-Shirts and would look puzzeld if you asked who Mack Brown was.

    The problem with their perception is that like USC, Miami, and Florida have all experienced peeks in fan interest. Texas is no different. However, it does seem that people involved with the Texas program fail to see how USC, Miami, and Florida’s temporary fans leave and are not reliable to fund national networks.

    The LHN should and will do great IN Texas. But why would anyone in any other state want it? Handful of fans are not enough.

    That’s been the ultimate point with the LHN from the start.

  13. bender4700 says: Sep 2, 2011 4:20 PM

    I agree with Pole

    People that are Texas fans need to not be defensive, no one faults Texas for taking care of themselves. We all do that. It’s the right thing to do.

    However, Texas is not big enough nationally for a network to be carried Nationally that ONLY features Texas. Big XII network would have worked pre-Nebraska/CU/A&M exit.

    and Missouri to the B16 makes sense.

  14. sportsdrenched.com says: Sep 2, 2011 4:23 PM

    You notice the how the most popular, most revenue producing, leagues in the world share their revenue equally?

    I don’t know why the others can’t figure than out.

  15. sportsdrenched.com says: Sep 2, 2011 4:31 PM

    Part of the reason the Big 10 Network is successful is there are large population bases in Big 10 country.

    Out here is Big 12 country there aren’t that many TV sets. Kevin Weiberg who used to the be the Big 12 comissioner said they looked into a Big 12 Network but there weren’t enough sets in the entire conference to make it worth the investment. Which why I was floored that Texas thinks one will fly by themselves.

    I ironicly Weiberg left to join the Big 10 Network because he was tired of dealing with Texas.

    My biggest annoyance with conference re-alignment is because it’s all about TV sets. Not tradition, not quality of the university, not about quality football programs. (well a little, you have to have something to sell) I don’t want to have to be Darren Rovell to follow College Football. I just want to watch college football teams in the same region play each other. And be able to watch 13 hours of college football when I’m not at a game.

  16. burntorangehorn says: Sep 2, 2011 4:47 PM

    gorilladunk, is it your contention that the only reason Texas has more than double the profit margin of the vast majority of programs is that people pick up a t-shirt and cap at a convenience store? If so, I’d like to know why fans are only buying Texas ones, and why other schools aren’t selling these shirts.

    At any rate, aggy’s joining the SEC does significantly raise the IQ and scruples of both the SEC and the Big 12. I must say that I’ll miss the frequent opportunity to make fun of this:

    http://www.40acressports.com/images/squeeze_ani.gif

  17. tgaustin says: Sep 2, 2011 5:21 PM

    Well put Burntorange…little fact for all you haters out there. Four years ago, Texas approached A&M with the oppurtunity of forming a network, TOGETHER…but, in true Aggie form, they said HELL NO!! Fastforward to about 10 months ago and the Aggie’s had a change of heart and wanted in, except it was too late!! Texas was at that time finishing up all the details! Please, Gorilladunk, since you know such much about the history of the Burnt Orange, what team do you follow??? Just curious…nothing to hide here right Dunk?? It’s just funny to me that all people do is moan about how sucessful Texas has become…don’t hate the player, hate the game!

  18. saints97 says: Sep 2, 2011 5:25 PM

    The whole situation is comical. There is thick irony in the fact that the Longhorn Network needs a stable Big 12 in order to get started (and, probably, to be successful), and it is the Longhorn Network that has caused the Big 12 to fall apart.

    That irony, however, seems to be lost on Longhorn fan and ESPN, which makes it all the more hilarious to the rest of us. I am sitting here in Austin preparing for the riots that happen tomorrow when “Longhorn Nation” realizes that they don’t have LHN on their cable package and they will miss the game tomorrow.

    Hilarity should ensue.

  19. gorilladunk says: Sep 2, 2011 5:42 PM

    @burntorange…the reason that all those horns shir4ts and caps are sold is three fold…UT has a HUGE alumni base as well as enrollment…Texas has a HUGE population…and if you pay any attention, those convenience store only stock UT caps and shirts. @tgaustin, my loyalties and money lie about 400 miles north of Austin. And it should be obvious to you and all other members of the “nation” that we have nothing to be jealous of when it comes to UT. Your comment alone is testament to the mind set in Austin, “everyone is jealous of how successful Texas has become”.. At OU, CHAMPIONSHIPS are the hallmark of success, not t-shirt sales..Hell, I can probably tell YOU more about the history of Texas football than you could tell me. Remember, James Street is a person, not a location.

  20. tgaustin says: Sep 2, 2011 5:44 PM

    What’s even funnier than that, is when LSU loses to Oregon by a Field Goal…never knowing they had their star KICKER this whole time in Jordan Jefferson!! Oh the irony!

  21. phelbin says: Sep 2, 2011 5:46 PM

    I think it’s interesting that most of the predictions here have the Big 12 teams all going to the SEC, Big Ten, and even ACC. But the most likely scenario has OU and UT going to the Pac-12 (packaged with OkState and TexTech). It makes the most sense financially, and each team would be part of its own regional network. Not even the Big Ten can say that. Mark my words…you shouldn’t dismiss the Pac-12. OU and UT will make the move within a year…if not much sooner.

    I read yesterday that UT would make more money going to the Pac-12 (16) than going independent (although I can’t seem to find the article right now).

  22. tgaustin says: Sep 2, 2011 5:50 PM

    Gorillafart, you are so out of touch with reality is hillarious!!! Shame on Texas for having a HUGE allumni…how dare they! You sound as arrogant as your Head Coach…the only thing I know is OU struggles in big games…ie. Boise State, USC, West Virginia, etc. etc.!! Thanks for reminding me bubba!

  23. thefiesty1 says: Sep 2, 2011 5:53 PM

    The Longhorn Network will quietly go away very soon with no major carrier showing live games. It is just another money grab by DeLoser Dodds (all about $$$$) that has blown up in his face with the departure of A&M and the future demise of the BIG 12.

  24. polegojim says: Sep 2, 2011 6:24 PM

    @thefiesty1 – exactly – just like the Southwest Conference… a snore and a bore.

    The stars at night may be big and bright in Texas… but the LHN won’t be… and that will eventually be good for everyone…INCLUDING Texas.

    I have no hatred of Texas… I’m simply stating facts… and supported by what all the other coaches and programs from B12 are saying about Texas current approach. Learn to play well with others, shouldn’t be a hard concept.

    @sportsdrenched – very true. Who brought most of the money into the Big10… for many decades? Still, Michigan and Ohio State share the wealth and support the conference. Now, Nebraska will do the same. Do they ‘need’ Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, or Purdue to make money or success of the Big10? Not even remotely, but they’re part of the family and don’t make them appear, nor feel like step children.

    THAT folks, is precisely the rub on Texas.

  25. Deb says: Sep 2, 2011 7:02 PM

    @polegojim …

    Depends on the school. Things are changing in the SEC. Stop clinging to old stereotypes. It’s beneath you. And I’d gamble the individual intellects of top SEC grads against those of people who feel the need to lean on those stereotypes any day. :)

  26. Deb says: Sep 2, 2011 7:04 PM

    @polegojim …

    See burntorangehorn. I rest my case. :cool:

  27. Deb says: Sep 2, 2011 7:07 PM

    @burntorangehorn …

    I gauge a person’s intellect by his behavior–for example, if he subscribes to idiotic stereotypes–not by his region of origin.

  28. critter69 says: Sep 2, 2011 7:36 PM

    “keeping the profits from the players who help bring it in is the greedy part, but that’s another topic for another day”

    So, I guess that means that any other sport that doesn’t make a profit can charge the team members the difference.

    And what will that mean? Goodbye basketball for most schools. Goodbye wrestling for most schools. Goodbye baseball for most schools. Goodbye all women’s sports (except for women’s basketball in the state of Iowa). Tennis anyone? Track and field? Swimming?

  29. polegojim says: Sep 2, 2011 8:31 PM

    @Deb – now I see what a guy has to do to get your attention… neither you or Br. Roll Tide himself… WingT, nor SouthPats have been around much. Can’t have any fun.

    RE: burntorange… yep, you’re right. Exactly. Tossing cowpatties has gone to his brain.

    Can’t wait til 2012 in Arlington! I’m getting tickets and staying with my mom.

  30. Deb says: Sep 2, 2011 10:00 PM

    @polegojim …

    Haven’t been around much? ROFL … my critics claim I’m here 24/7! I just can’t win with you people :)

    I know … thinking about putting tickets on my Christmas wish list. Dying to see that game in Jerrah’s World. How cool would that be?

  31. polegojim says: Sep 2, 2011 10:16 PM

    @Deb… you people? Surely I’m not a ‘you people’ am i? It’s me!

    But… that’s why you should rarely listen to critics here!

    Your real friends will keep you honest, build you up, and tell you went to take a hike. Either way, you know they’re telling you the truth.

    That’s the great part of having most my family still living in Dallas. I’ll send pics… hopefully of a Hail to the Victors dance… ; )

  32. gorilladunk says: Sep 3, 2011 12:12 AM

    @tgaustin…my comments about the size of the alum base for UT was not a put down or an insult, nor was it arrogant. It merely pointed out the fact that schools with huge alumni bases in heavily populated states tend to sell more parephenalia (See Michigan, Ohio State, etc.) OU hasn’t fared as well as we would have liked in BCS games, but we seem to have done pretty well in Big 12 championship games….how ’bout your horns? (I’m sorry, I forgot they rarely make an appearance) Again, if winning the t-shirt and cap sales competition is the goal in Austin, then I gladly concede the title to the horns. Enjoy your trip to the Sun Bowl in Dec. (assuming you can beat Iowa St. this year)

  33. Deb says: Sep 3, 2011 12:11 PM

    polegojim!! You nearly gave me a heart attack! I’m not a “you people” kind of gal, so I was wondering in what context I could have said that. Silly boy, it was only in a friendly You CFT People reference. Why so serious?

    I was going to say you could make it up to me by linking film of yourself dressed in a bizarre costume doing a strange dance … but then they showed Boise State’s blue field on the pregame, and I’ve been temporarily blinded. Ugh.

  34. TxGrown says: Sep 4, 2011 1:42 AM

    gorilladunk…
    “Hell, I can probably tell YOU more about the history of Texas football than you could tell me. Remember, James Street is a person, not a location.”
    —————————————————————————————————-
    Linus Baer? I bet you google that one son. By the way as for the BCS games we’ve done quite well. At least Boise State didn’t make their mark in college football at our expense.

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