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Curley takes absence, Schultz steps down at Penn State

Tim Curley, Patrick Chambers, Graham Spanier, Courtney Chambers AP

For those demanding a thorough house-cleaning at Penn State following one of the hardest-hitting scandals to rock college athletics in years, the process has begun.

The Associated Press has reported that Penn State athletic director Tim Curley (pictured, right) and vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz  have stepped down amid disturbing allegations of sexual abuse of minors involving former football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. 

University President Graham Spanier said late Sunday night that he had received a request from Curley to be placed on administrative leave while he deals with perjury charges against him and Schultz, who is re-retiring. Curley and Schultz were charged with perjury and failure to report suspected sexual abuse of a minor Saturday.

The news of the resignations came after an executive session of Penn State’s Board of Trustees.

Curley and Shultz were mentioned in the grand jury’s indictment of Sandusky following their apparent failure to be forthcoming about a 2002 incident in which they were notified of an instance of sexual abuse by Sandusky with a young boy. From the Patriot-News’ article:

Attorney General Linda Kelly says Curley and Schultz perjured themselves by repeatedly denying,  during the grand jury investigation, that they were told about an incident in 2002 that was reported by a graduate football assistant who walked [in] on Sandusky taking a shower with a young boy.

Kelly said, “rather than reporting the matter to law enforcement, Curley and Schultz agreed that Sandusky would be told he could not bring any Second Mile children into the football building.  That message was also reportedly related to Dr. John Raykovitz at the Second Mile (Past Executive Director and Executive Vice-President and currently the President and CEO of the Second Mile),” the statement says.”

Despite that ban, which was reviewed by Penn State President Graham Spanier, there was no change in Sandusky’s status with the school, no changes to his access to campus, and no charges were brought.

Spanier had released a statement offering his unconditional support of Curley despite the allegations. However,  Spanier was also mentioned in the grand jury’s indictment for signing off on the course of action by Curley and Schultz in response to their knowledge of an incident involving Sandusky and the young boy in a shower of the school’s football building. According to the indictment, the two administrators did not alert authorities over the matter, but rather told Sandusky he was prohibited from bringing any more children from Second Mile, Sandusky’s charity, into the football building.

Curley, Shultz and Sandusky have all claimed innocence in the case. The former two face arraignment Monday.

In a separate statement, Penn State coach Joe Paterno said he was “shocked” and “saddened” by the allegations. From Paterno’s statement:

“If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters. While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can’t help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred.”

However, Paterno was mentioned as part of the chain of communication in the allegation against Sandusky with “Victim 2” — the same incident of which Curley and Schultz were reportedly made aware. According to the allegations, a graduate assistant, who is part of Paterno’s coaching staff, informed Paterno that he witnessed an act of sexual abuse between Sandusky and a young boy. Paterno then reportedly turned that information over to Curley. Paterno did not, however, take any further action afterward — after it was known that authorities would not be brought into the situation.

Ethically, Paterno is in deep water too. Curley and Schultz are now the first ones to go in this ever-developing story. It’s hard to imagine they will be the last.

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  1. woebegong says: Nov 7, 2011 1:19 AM

    It is truly a sad day for a very storied university, but I guess, in light of how bad the charges are against the former assistant coach, and it would appear,how poorly the matter was handled, it is inevitable. I hate for Joe Pa’s career to end on this note as I am afraid that is what is down the road after the conclusion of the season. I have always admired the coach, and although, I am firmly entrenched as an SEC fan in Georgia, you simply have to respect what he has accomplished. I wonder how long this will have an adverse effect on the university and it’s football program?

  2. frug says: Nov 7, 2011 1:48 AM

    Gotta say that this pretty much guarantees Spanier will be next. To offer your full and unconditional support for two individuals ONE DAY before they are forced to stop down in disgrace makes it clear that Spanier doesn’t have a full grasp of the situation. Even Curly and Schultz are eventually cleared there is no way Spanier should have allowed them to continue to hold their positions. He should have immediately ordered them to take a leave of absence until the matter was resolved.

  3. barmyinpalmy says: Nov 7, 2011 2:28 AM

    Paterno needs to go. Choosing to protect the program ahead of a child well there is no excuse under the sun that can make ok.

    What’s his excuse, I told someone else therefore I have no moral obligation to make sure that something happens and see it through.

    They need a flamethrower put onto that place.

  4. hartviglein says: Nov 7, 2011 3:41 AM

    I am reminded of the scene is Casablanca where Captain Renault tells Rick that he’s shutting down his place because “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!” just as the croupier walks up and hands him his winnings for the evening.

    Nine years ago a grad assistant told Paterno that he had seen Sandusky buggering a 10 year old and only now he finds that “shocking”? And since that time they have all kept quiet while not only being aware that Sandusky was running a program that gave him access to more potential victims but also provided money to help keep the program operating.

    They swept this under the table to keep this from hurting the football program. Now those at the top- including and especially Paterno- need to pay the price for their crime.

  5. hillzmickelzon says: Nov 7, 2011 5:18 AM

    So im guessin the conversation curley had with Sandusky was keep molesting young boys if you want ,keep all your access with the kids if you want , sell your book talk about how great Penn st is but just dont rape kids on campus agian ok?. I have mad respect for joe pa i mean didnt they cheat him out of two national titles? kijana carter can u hear me? He deserves better but joe knew & didnt say anything & u know what i know if it was my friend, coach,former player i know i would have a hard time speakin up myself but im not a coach or for that matter Joe paterno a living legend , i bet he just felt like sandusky was a son to him. Who can replace joe pa? And now who wants too?

  6. bcjim says: Nov 7, 2011 5:43 AM

    Disturbing story. I think JoPa’s culpability would depend on exactly what was reported to him. If it was something that looked improper and would lead one to reasonably suspect possible or even likely abuse, then he probably did his job. If outright abuse was witnessed and reported, he, imo, should have followed up, and the witness should have went to the police either way I would think.

  7. norcalirish says: Nov 7, 2011 7:28 AM

    There’s just no way I can even fathom that JoePa would try and cover this up—but the more I read about it the more I begin to have my doubts. Say it ain’t so Joe! An American icon….

    —a passionate Notre Dame alum who had the displeasure of dealing with dozens of the worst fans at a sporting event I’ve been to in recent memory (trashbag PSU fans at a game in Happy Valley a few years back) but who still admires JoePa and hopes he’s innocent

  8. bigdog214 says: Nov 7, 2011 7:41 AM

    If a program ever deserved a “death penalty ” for something, it’s this. Release the players from their scholarships and let them go elsewhere without a waiting period and disband the program for a few years. It’s obvious the program was put ahead of the law and these children.

  9. irishking says: Nov 7, 2011 8:10 AM

    It will take a complete and thorough house cleaning to disinfect the university of the Sandusky virus.

  10. PanchoHerreraFanClub says: Nov 7, 2011 8:26 AM

    If I were a PA taxpayer I would be outraged. The AD is still an employee (not to mention one of the highest paid state employees)! Where is the Big 10 in all of this? Aren’t the other Big 10 presidents tossing their cookies over this? Where is the NCAA (oh wait, it is too busy investigating $5 alumni handshakes after games)?

    It is my sincerest hope that those involved at Penn State do lots of hard time.

  11. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Nov 7, 2011 8:44 AM

    I grew up in state college. I have been a Psu supporter since I was in the womb.

    It’s time to burn the place down and start again. I’ll be changing my handle soon as well.

    I want to point out one thing as well. There continues to be talk of Joes moral responsibility to go to the police. The GA should not get off lightly in this public opinion lynching (deserved). The GA was McQueary, the red head you always see on the sidelines. At the time he was 28, so don’t be fooled into thinking he was a snot nosed kid who was scared. He bears as much responsibility as anyone for not contacting police. I went to HS with him, I was a year behind. At 27 I had already been working with children for a decade and would not have hesitated to contact police, if I didn’t just handle the scumbag myself then and there.

  12. 700levelvet says: Nov 7, 2011 8:44 AM

    This entire disgusting episode will only get worse as more details come out, and more evidence is introduced. These two so called men, should not have been given the opportunity to retire or go on administrative leave, they should be fired immediately, as well as the president who stands 100% behind them. You mean to tell me, a graduate assistant sees a 60 year old man and a 10 year old boy in the shower naked, reports it to JoePa who plays Pontious Pilate, and washes his hands of the entire issue, and they say it’s “horseplay”…..Seriously? What the hell kind of horseplay involves a 60 year old man and a child in the shower together? JoePa reported it to the AD,instead of the police, because he knew it was a powder keg, and knew this was the best chance to cover it up. The president, the coach, these two shills, should all be removed of their positions immediately. They are ALL culpable, no matter how much spin doctoring their lawyers come up with. God help us all….

  13. stairwayto7 says: Nov 7, 2011 9:21 AM

    Joe did not see anything. Joe reported “incident” to his superiors. What about grad asst who seen it and did nto report it to police? This is the person responsible! And I have a feeling its one of 2 people on the coaching staff now, however I won’t say who I think it is.

  14. chip56 says: Nov 7, 2011 9:25 AM

    Just so we’re clear here – Curley and Schultz told Sandusky that he couldn’t bring any children to the campus, so rather than report him they essentially gave him carte blanche to continue doing what he was doing, they just didn’t want him doing it on Penn State property.

    And yes, the grad student should’ve said something to the state police after he realized that the “internal options” weren’t doing anything, but so too should have Joe Paterno. I hope that when people talk about Paterno years from now they don’t talk about the coaching legend but instead about a man who enabled a child rapist.

  15. irishking says: Nov 7, 2011 9:37 AM

    I am not sure when Sandusky started to sexually molest young children but it likely extends back a number of years. It sounds like he just got bolder and bolder doing it. Therefore it is hard for me to believe that the folks at Penn State did not have a good idea of what was really going on. It is not hard to spot a child predator unless one turns a blind eye to it.

  16. chip56 says: Nov 7, 2011 9:42 AM

    From what I’ve read online and heard, the first (reported) incidents go back to 1998 which is when he retired. It would seem that retirement was how the administration first tried sweeping this under the rug.

  17. 700levelvet says: Nov 7, 2011 9:45 AM

    Kind of makes one wonder why the Centre County DA, who decided not to press charges against Sandusky originally, suddenly disappeared in 05, and hasn’t been heard from since, and is now declared legally dead…..

  18. dankil13 says: Nov 7, 2011 10:13 AM

    This whole story stinks… from the bottom (McQuery) to the top (Paterno). Let’s not kid ourselves, Curly reports to Paterno, not the other way around. JoePa did nothing to enusre proper action was taken. And how could McQuery run out of a building when a 10 YO was “allegedly” being raped without at least calling the police (or intervening to protect the kid)? While their actions may not be criminal, they are certain fall well short of what should have been done!

    And finally, how the heck does a person indicted on molesting 8 boys walk out of jail on $100k bail? This POS should be locked up getting his ass kicked everyday… not walking the streets free looking for his next victim! Can someone report who this judge is so we can start a movement to get him/her out of office?

  19. dkhhuey says: Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM

    I just read the entire Grand Jury report and it makes me ill. The fact that the story got so white washed that it went from McQuery hearing flesh against flesh sexual sounds and witnessing this disgusting old man butt pounding a 10 year old to ‘horse play’ int the shower as it went up the chain. Even if you buy ‘horse play’ – it was a f@#%ing old man showering and grab assing with young boys – are you kidding me?!?!?! At what point did that sound even remotely okay to these idiots?!?!? Oh, he was only wrestling with these young kids in the shower, and not anally raping them. My god, this is just absolutely deplorable.

  20. latrobe21 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:07 AM

    @ Ben,

    Has Curley resigned, or not? One report says “resignation,” and another indicates”leave of absence?” The university needs to make clear Curley resigned.

  21. latrobe21 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:08 AM

    That’s Spanier on the left, not Schultz.

  22. irishking says: Nov 7, 2011 11:18 AM

    what is a ‘flesh against flesh sexual sound’? The old fart could have been scrubbing that boy’s back. That’s probably what Paterno and others surmised.

  23. stevemac813 says: Nov 7, 2011 11:39 AM

    I have had 3 of my kids graduate from Penn State. All of them have received a great education. It’s unfortunate that this will hurt the schools academic reputation. As far as this case is concerned. It is just another reminder that the football program is all about how much MONEY it brings into the university. The more it brings in the more things like this are either overlooked or hidden. Also the longer a coach and staff are intrenched the more they become untouchable. This is NOT just a Penn State problem. It is systemic to all programs to one degree or another. If this had happened at another university everyone would have said this couldn’t have happened at Penn State. Well it did and everyone needs to go especially Spanier. The whole program needs to start out with entirely new blood. Universities need to get back to what they were intended to do and that is to educate our children. Everything else is secondary. A fact lost on all these schools with high profile sports programs.

  24. Ben Kercheval says: Nov 7, 2011 11:49 AM


    1) thanks for pointing out that’s Spanier, not Schultz.
    2) Curley is taking a leave of absence. I’ve updated the headline to reflect that.

  25. dkhhuey says: Nov 7, 2011 11:49 AM

    @irish – if you don’t know what that sound is then I can’t help you….

    Those weren’t my words but how it was captured in the Grand Jury report based on what the GA heard and saw.

  26. drexelvol says: Nov 7, 2011 11:57 AM

    Ben – It’s Curley, not Curly. You should also update the story to reflect the correct facts as well.

    This is the official statement.

  27. dkhhuey says: Nov 7, 2011 12:01 PM


    Taken directly from the indictment:

    It was about 9:30pm. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put his sneakers in his locker, he looked in the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up on the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky.

  28. psublueandwhite says: Nov 7, 2011 1:00 PM

    First, yes, I am a Penn State fan. In looking at things in an unbiased manner, to me it’s very clear.

    All this talk about JoePa’s morals and his “role” is flat out ridiculous. When he got this info, Sandusky wasn’t even on the staff anymore! Since when is Paterno responsible for starting investigations on people who formally worked for him? He sent it up the chain to an administrator for them to do their job. Joe runs the football team and coaches – he’s not Private Eye Paterno. If the University doesn’t take it further, then it’s their responsibility. Why would Joe take it further? What does he know?

    He received information, second hand that he could not verify which is why he reported it to people who know how to handle these situations!

    Say this happened at a high school and the Principal and Superintendent were notified by the head football coach. If they don’t act, would anyone expect the football coach to then run to police? How does make any sense? Organizations have chains of command and procedures to ensure things are done right. Granted, the admins in the case may of really messed that up.

    Talk about morals all you want, but what is JoePa protecting? A former member of his staff who is an accused child molester? Why would he stick his neck out for Sandusky? He clearly did not.

    Now if the Curly and/or Schultz covered it up, they should burn for it. Plain and simple. But to implicate the people who had the presence of mind to report it REGARDLESS of the fact it was a former big name Penn Stater seems complete illogical to me.

    Sandusky is the accused scumbag, the admins are accused of covering it up. All evidence about Paterno points in the complete opposite direction.

    It makes me sick to see someone who has put his heart and soul into something for 60 years and be thrown to the dogs at every opportunity. Talk about morals, and doing the right thing – Joe Paterno has been at the forefront of that at Penn State for 60 years.

  29. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Nov 7, 2011 1:07 PM


    JoePa is most definately not ‘private-eye’ Joe, but he is ‘mandated-reporter’ Joe.

    Thats the idea behing mandatory reporting laws: the people who report dont investigate, the AUTHORITIES investigate, which in this case they did not have the opportunity to do such. Thats the problem.

    Really quite simple.

  30. dkhhuey says: Nov 7, 2011 1:09 PM

    @psu – I am struggling with Joe Pa’s role in this scenario. On one hand, you are absolutely correct. He did the right thing and made it a priority to get the people up the chain informed. But then, you read the details of the horrific event that happened in the shower – a freaky old man anally raping a TEN YEAR OLD KID in the showers of the PSU football training facility!!! That is something you do not just throw over the fence and move on to watching game film.

    I do get your argument, but this is not kids selling stuff for tats, its not underage drinking issues, and its not getting into fights on campus type issues. This involves a former coach, still in possession of total access to everything PSU football, including players and coaches, and using all of that to fondle, molest, and rape young boys.

    Again, I’m 50/50 on whether JoePa gets some blow back on this issue.

  31. chip56 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:10 PM

    Legally Paterno may have done all he felt he needed to do, morally, ethically, absolutely not.

    Even if you assume that this was the first Paterno had ever heard about this (which I don’t believe) how do you, as a human being, think that the “punishment” handed down by Schultz and Curley – that Sandusky wasn’t allowed to bring kids to the campus – was enough? How does Paterno not see this and go “really? that’s it?” and then go to the real police to tell them.

  32. irishking says: Nov 7, 2011 1:14 PM

    If Paterno did not see that Sandusky had a few screws loose after that shower incident with a young boy, then Paterno was incompetent. Sandusky needed help and needed to be stopped. Instead, he was enabled and Paterno was part of that enabling process.

  33. psublueandwhite says: Nov 7, 2011 1:17 PM

    @chip56 said,
    “How does Paterno not see this and go “really? that’s it?” and then go to the real police to tell them.”

    Because it’s not up to him! He wasn’t there, he got the story second hand. He had to have been told the University investigated it and found nothing.

    Everyone makes it seem like the University came up to Joe and said, “Hey Joe, remember that thing? Well, never speak of it again.”

    It was more likely along the lines of, “Joe, we just wanted to let you know that after an investigation and by the University we did not find an instances of any wrong-doing. We will continue to monitor the situation and see if further information surfaces.”

    So you’re telling me Joe would then run to police after that last bit?

    Come on.

  34. chip56 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:22 PM

    You’re kidding yourself if you think that this was the first time Paterno had heard about what Sandusky was doing. The fact that it started in 1998 and Sandusky was gone in 1999 is not a coincidence.

    If you want to believe that Paterno, who basically runs that school, knew nothing about the real reasons behind Sandusky’s “resignation” then that’s your right – to me, it doesn’t pass the smell test.

  35. tomtravis76 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:22 PM

    This loyalty to the program crap has to go out the window. If any former players, coaches, boosters, etc knows more, they need to come forward.

    You don’t want to give someone the death penalty because of accusations, we all learned that lesson from the Duke case, but this sick guy went out an set up a charity for young boys he knew he could prey upon. This guy planned out his attack plan and hid it by making everyone think he was doing good.

    You can’t trust Paterno or any of his staff to protect kids. How do the current players and parents of his players even trust Joe? He lied to them all by saying he will protect their kids and make them into men. He only cares about his team winning, the kids don’t matter.

    This is not just a blemish on the programs history, this tears down anything Paterno created. He was apart of a giant cover up of his friend sexually abusing young boys. Paternos good friend has altered the lives of young childeren, who were already vulnerable and Joe did notthing about it. Paterno is in charge and he did nothing and for that he deserves this to be the lead in his obit. This is not about football, it is about men of power abusing boys.

  36. savocabol1 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:35 PM

    People (media mostly) with pitch forks in hand ran Jim Tressel out of Ohio State because he was being dishonest and unethical. Tressel found out something wrong was going on and never told anyone about it. That doesn’t even hold weight to Penn State’s allegations right now. If Paterno lasts it is a damn shame to all the people who were calling for any coaches head when they were found doing something wrong. Covering up child abuse? No coach is above that.

    We all know that Paterno won’t be forced to step down. I’d bet my life savings on it.

  37. psublueandwhite says: Nov 7, 2011 1:37 PM

    @chip56 said,
    “You’re kidding yourself if you think that this was the first time Paterno had heard about what Sandusky was doing. The fact that it started in 1998 and Sandusky was gone in 1999 is not a coincidence. ”

    Heard of it and proving it are two different things. These kinds of things are notoriously hard to prove since it involves kids.

    I don’t correlate that with Paterno turning a blind eye on it. Rumors and rumors of rumors are not enough to go on.

    We live in this age where everything can become a lawsuit. Just because it might of looked shady, doesn’t mean anything more could of be done.

    Sad? Yes. Joe’s fault? No way. He could have got into more trouble for making a “false” report. Sticky situation indeed, but I don’t buy he took it lightly.

  38. chip56 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:40 PM

    No offense but that’s nonsense. As a human being I would far rather take the chance of getting in trouble by reporting suspected child rape and being proved wrong than cover my own neck and possibly allowing children to suffer at the hands of a monster.

  39. psublueandwhite says: Nov 7, 2011 1:44 PM


    How was he an enabler? Sandusky wasn’t on his staff! What could he do? The shower incident was 2002.

    Get the facts straight at the very least.

    He reported it! If Paterno didn’t report it, then everyone would have an argument. The admins are in place to handle these matters. Not a football coach.

    This is not the same as Tressel. He didn’t have 1% of the sterling reputation Paterno has.

  40. blastfurnaceknows says: Nov 7, 2011 1:47 PM

    Anyone who is defending Paterno here, has absolutely no clue about the degree to which he has exerted influence at Penn St. over his many years there. The simple facts are these – a grad asst told Paterno that a long-time friend and colleague was sexually assaulting a 10 year old child on campus property. And Paterno went to school administration. Read that last sentence again. He went to school administration. He did not go to the Police, he did not go to the local DA, and he made no effort to find and identify the child. Now, why do you think that is what he did? It couldn’t be that he had no control over any of those other entities and had complete control over school administration, could it? Come on! This man’s “legacy” should now forever be as a child rapist enabler. Disgusting!

    And the worthless district judge who let Sandusky out on $100,000 unsecured bail was Lesilie A. Dutchcot of State College. Way to go “judge,” you’ve joined the band with the rest of the child molesting enablers at Penn St.

  41. chip56 says: Nov 7, 2011 1:51 PM

    I agree with everything except the bail part. The part of bail is to ensure that the defendant appears in court. There’s very little chance that with this amount of media coverage that Sandusky can go anywhere.

  42. chip56 says: Nov 7, 2011 2:14 PM

    In the grand jury documents there is testimony about a 30 page report filed by the university police about Sandusky’s behavior with children in 1998, Sandusky is gone before the 1999 season (one of Sandusky’s accusers testified that Sandusky railed about the fact that Paterno told him he won’t be head coach); there’s ZERO chance that Paterno didn’t know what was going on.

    As for the Grad Assistant: 1. He should have stopped Sandusky when he saw what was going on and 2. I can understand him being terrified and leaving out the details when talking to Paterno about what he just witnessed Joe’s former right hand man doing in the shower.

  43. Deb says: Nov 7, 2011 2:14 PM

    @stairwayto7 ….

    A graduate assistant is a student. He reported the incident to his coach. It was up to the adults to take it from there. Blaming that kid for this mess is wrong. Yes, he should have gone to the police–as should every person in the chain of command above him. And those people, including Paterno, are certainly more culpable than the student who left matters in the hands of the school officials who failed to act.

    I’ve liked and respected JoePa for as long as I can remember. Perhaps he thought he’d done his duty, but he surely knew the matter was covered up. And, like others, I don’t understand why he’s now claiming to find this “shocking.” It’s heartbreaking to see his career end this way. But it’s much more heartbreaking to know this monster continued to abuse children for seven more years after the grad assistant reported this incident. How many lives did he ruin that will never be reported?

  44. blastfurnaceknows says: Nov 7, 2011 2:14 PM

    I am an attorney. I am a former prosecutor. Bail serves two purposes. First, it is set based on the degree to which a defendant may be a flight risk. Sandusky has both the means and the motive to flee. Anyone doubt a child rapist may take the coward’s way out and evade prosecution? Second, though, it is designed to protect the public from someone who has the capacity to continue to victimize, pending trial. Anyone who has read the indictment should know that it screams of a predator with a compulsion. I don’t know about any of you, but I think I’d error on the side of protection of the public, rather than assume he will follow a bail condition of “no contact” with children.

  45. bovice23 says: Nov 7, 2011 2:28 PM

    This whole thing is just absolutely disgusting. How can Sandusky be allowed to run an overnight football camp for kids on Penn State campuses as recently as 2009? Every single person at PSU who had any knowledge of what went on should be let go and that includes Jo Pa. What a bunch of cowards.

  46. stevemac813 says: Nov 7, 2011 2:38 PM

    I keep reading these posts and none of you get the fact that this all has to do with MONEY!!! and how much of it is brought into the universities through their sports programs. This is a systemic problem NOT just a Penn State problem. Substitute the name of any big time sports college program and you would have the same outcome. When you let your sports program dictate policy at your campus because of how much they bring in, a blind eye and deaf ear will always rule out. Spanier is where the clean sweep should start right down to the water boys on the sidelines. All are culpable and all should be held accountable.

  47. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Nov 7, 2011 3:35 PM

    @ Deb

    The grad assistant was 28 at the time. If you watch any of the games you’ll see his unique hair color.

    He is in no way excused from this, he was a man, not just a student.

    Had I walked in on this I would be in jail right now because I would have beat Sandusky to death. Harming children in any way is beyond the pale.

    I am currently embarrassed and sick to be associated with PSU. Spanier needs to be gone yesterday, and a whole lot more heads need to roll.

    Can almost guarantee Joe is gone. A new AD is coming in. It is the last year of his contract. No way they will want any tiny bit of this specter hanging over the program going forward.

  48. frank booth says: Nov 7, 2011 3:53 PM

    blastfurnaceknows says:
    Nov 7, 2011 1:47 PM
    Anyone who is defending Paterno here, has absolutely no clue about the degree to which he has exerted influence at Penn St. over his many years there. The simple facts are these – a grad asst told Paterno that a long-time friend and colleague was sexually assaulting a 10 year old child on campus property. And Paterno went to school administration. Read that last sentence again. He went to school administration. He did not go to the Police, he did not go to the local DA, and he made no effort to find and identify the child. Now, why do you think that is what he did? It couldn’t be that he had no control over any of those other entities and had complete control over school administration, could it? Come on! This man’s “legacy” should now forever be as a child rapist enabler. Disgusting!

    What you are saying is absolutely true. JoePa, at the time (and maybe still) was the most powerful man on campus at Penn State.

    Under Pennsylvania law, he did the bare minimum legal requirement of reporting this to his superiors. From an ethical and moral standpoint, he completely failed miserably, protecting a disgusting felon of the worst kind. A guy that has 17 and 18 year olds entrusted to his care, yet puts a friend of his ahead of a 10-year-old rape victim. I wonder how many other kids have been a victim of this guy since then?

    Despite what the Penn State administration knew, Sandusky even operated an overnight kids camp at Penn State through 2009. Pretty neat that Penn State allowed a child molester to use its grounds so that he could run an underage sex farm on school property.

  49. Deb says: Nov 7, 2011 6:12 PM

    @tomosbornesretirement …

    Oh, I’m not excusing the grad assistant. He should have gone to the police. I’m just saying that he’s at the bottom rung of this ladder of corruption. stairwayto7 was suggesting he was to blame for the whole business–sort of the handy fallguy. That won’t work here.

    I can only imagine how heartsick you are over this whole thing, but try not to let it destroy what you feel for Penn State. The institution has been around since long before these people became involved, and it will carry on long after they’re gone. This is about a handful of morally and ethically corrupt individuals–and yes, that includes some of the coaching staff. But it doesn’t diminish the value of the education the school provides or the efforts of the players you cheered on Saturdays.

  50. mdnittlion says: Nov 7, 2011 8:12 PM

    @ tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle
    @ Deb

    As a PSU fan, alumni and booster I’ve been waiting say this ever since I heard the news, if any bit of this is true and I mean any bit of it. Until the university scrubs the administration clean to include anyone that had knowledge and in no way went above & beyond the call of duty to make sure children are safe. PSU will never see another dime of my or my family’s money ever again and we will completely disassociate ourselves from the college. My grandfather called this morning to the school to take our family’s name off their campus & my wife and I will cancel the scholarships we sponsor annually and our yearly donation to non-revenue producing sports is also gone. For us we could have put up with a lot, but hurting children is just a line no one can come back from.

    I’m taking tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle advice and I will be changing my handle after I finish writing this statement.

  51. commandercornpone says: Nov 7, 2011 8:31 PM

    all those other guys walk in paterno’s shadow. he probly recommended them for their jobs or hired them at one point, and senile or not, is still the local kingmaker. but hopefully not for long.

    i bet the local cops wouldnt do shee-it about it anyway unless forced. they would probly look the other way due to being fans and because of all the… what’s that word yall keep using… yes… money.

    maybe paterno didnt say stupid stuff and full out lie on camera, but hell yes he had a duty to report it to the cops. if yer boss or subordinate breaks the law are u sposed to automatically cover his arse?

    uh, no.

    i wonder how pushturd state u will use all this to boost recruting…

    think of the new cheers… push em in push em in wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy in

    pound the …… rock.

    time for a parody of that old frankie goes to hollywood song…

  52. 187onsandusky says: Nov 7, 2011 9:27 PM

    Read this to get a look at how many of us PSU fans feel.

    Maybe the most disturbing thing to me is that campus and local police “eavesdropped” on an admission of guilt by Sandusky to the mother of a victim and nothing was done.

    I love the University and all the good aspects. Burn the whole damn dirty bit to the ground, clean house, and let us begin the process of bringing the positive stuff forward. For those guilty, give no quarter, hang them all.

  53. Deb says: Nov 7, 2011 11:21 PM

    @mdnittlion …

    You’re right to demand a full accounting and house-cleaning, and I can’t understand why the people in power didn’t know their fans, students, and boosters would have fully supported them if they’d gone public in 2002. I agree with the last gentleman who said the guilty deserve no quarter. One of my teachers who abused some of my and my brother’s classmates. It was covered up and he was allowed to go to another school system. We’ll never know how many other lives he destroyed before it all came to light. No, I was only expressing sympathy for you all as Penn State fans.

  54. cfbfaninbadnfltown says: Nov 7, 2011 11:26 PM

    @ Deb


  55. dkhhuey says: Nov 8, 2011 9:30 AM

    Man, the more I read about this the more disgusted I am. It seems the MO and the phrase of the day coming out of everybody’s mouth is that ‘fill in the blank’ did what they were minimally required to do regarding these incidence. I’m sorry, that is just no longer an adequate excuse for allowing some sick POS to molest and rape young boys in the PSU facilities. There should have been no ‘minimum’ effort to ensure you did what was legally required. Anybody and everybody should have gone to the cops IMMEDIATELY and had this sick f@#$ arrested the day the GA saw him anally raping a 10 year old in the shower. Man this is just plain sickening to the stomach right now.

  56. irishking says: Nov 8, 2011 10:18 AM

    What was Paterno thinking after he acquired knowledge of that 2002 shower incident involving Sandusky raping that 10 year old? Containment, containment and containment. We cannot let this story get out. I am surprised that the grand jury did not indict Paterno as well.

  57. eclass63 says: Jul 12, 2012 1:09 PM

    I think we need to look at what would cause the assistant who witnessed this action not to call the police. He was more concerned about his job and so was everyone else who knew about the incedent. This says more about those in power at the university than the University or the reputation of the school and its Academic or Athletic programs.

    Those in power created this culture of keep your mouth shut and let us handle any embarrising act when it comes to Penn State and they are the ones to blame.

    I will ask this question, if the assistant recognized it was his son in the shower would he have acted in the same manner? the same for coach PA. If the answer is no then you are guilty as charged! The issue here is Money, and I am pretty sure all who knew about the abuse for years and kept quiet were compensated via salary raises promotions and cash to keep quiet.

    I could not imagine what kind of man couold sit back and do nothing while witnessing such a horrific cowardly act.

    Penn state is great school I always dreamed of going to Wharton, but its not the school or its programs it’s the people and their mega salaries along with power which is the problem. Change the administration and start over. Its not the school its the was the people running the school which is the problem. I would still send my child to Penn State and for them to play Penn State Football. the lessons of being a decent human being and beig a man come from me and my wife not college.
    As the saying goes Aboslute Power corrups absolutely!!

  58. eclass63 says: Jul 12, 2012 1:36 PM

    @ Deb

    If the Grad assistant recognized it was his child do you think his actions would have been the same? Better yet if it was his little brother with Sandusky ( I even hate typing the rapists name) do you think his actions would have been the same? I think not!! Now imagine the assistant told Joe Pa hey i saw the same act with your son Joe jr. you think Joe Pa would have followed the same course of action?

    By the way the cops that were told about this and did nothing should be fired also, check their accouts I am sure they have recieved some sort of payout as well or free scholarships.

  59. eclass63 says: Jul 12, 2012 1:48 PM

    @PSUblue and white:

    Rape, and especially raping a child is not a capmus security case its a police department case. Worst it was happening to defensless children. Come on, are you saying you would have done the same thing if you witnessed that event. I doubt it!

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