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With the clock ticking toward midnight on Joe Paterno‘s 61-year reign over Happy Valley, yet another report has surfaced that this will be the coaching icon’s final season at Penn State.

Following up on a Tuesday New York Times‘ report that JoePa could step down “within days or weeks“, the Associated Press was the first to report Wednesday that Paterno has decided to retire at the the end of the 2011 season.  Scott Paterno, the coach’s son, confirmed that his father will retire to the Patriot-News.

Subsequent to those reports, Paterno released a statement acknowledging this season will be his last.  And acknowledging “I wish I had done more.”

Here is the statement, in its entirety:

I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That’s why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can. This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Paterno, who is in his 46th season as the Nittany Lions’ head coach, has come under increasing pressure in recent days for what many perceive as negligent inaction — with the exception of the bare minimum as required by law — when he became aware of child-sex abuse allegations levied against Jerry Sandusky, his former long-time trusted assistant, in 2002.

As late as last night, however, the Paterno camp was very strident that retirement had not been discussed and that the 84-year-old coach was in this for the long haul.

The school’s Board of Trustees will meet tonight and then again Friday to discuss the growing scandal.  There remains chatter that the trustees will force Paterno to step down before Saturday’s game against Nebraska and not permit Paterno to coach through the end of the season.  That speculation should be clarified at some point today.

If Paterno is indeed permitted to coach the remainder of the season, it will be his final game at Beaver Stadium as the Nittany Lions play their final two games on the road.

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  1. savocabol1 says: Nov 9, 2011 10:37 AM

    This is crap. He shouldn’t be allowed to coach the rest of the year. Goes to show you how much influence a football coach has, no matter how bad the situation is.

    Other coaches, even in the Big Ten, have been run out of their job with much less serious of allegations.

  2. killerstiller says: Nov 9, 2011 10:43 AM

    He needs to go now! If you choose not to decide…you still have made a choice! Those kids will forever be scarred by Sandusky. Paterno, for all his morals & ethics, knew it & did nothing!

  3. jimr10 says: Nov 9, 2011 10:44 AM

    It goes to show who is in charge at Penn State. at the end of the year is unacceptable. Shame on you Joe Paterno..

  4. sdelmonte says: Nov 9, 2011 10:46 AM

    This isn’t a sports story. It’s a story of good men doing nothing to stop evil. It just happened that the good men are involved with a college football team. The tragedy would be the same if this were a high school, a church, a nursery. The tragedy has been same before, and each time it ends the same way.

    Joe Paterno is not a bad man. For the most part, he has done good with his life. He has educated young men, and has not, so far as anyone can tell, been swallowed up by the excesses that plague college football. His failure doesn’t remove the good he did. But he did fail to stop someone from harming other young men, and all his contributions are now forever tainted.

    Let us hope that all of us take a lesson from that this if you know there is wrong being down in this life, you must speak up. You must.

  5. rexachss says: Nov 9, 2011 10:49 AM

    You knew joe…so get out! !!!!

  6. savoirlaire says: Nov 9, 2011 10:53 AM

    I have no doubt that the university trustees will tell JoePa that you are done now, not at season’s end, and that is absolutely appropriate. The impression now is that of a sad and slightly pathetic old man, who time has clearly passed by. And that debacle last night at his house should seal it…that was a shameful display on the part of students (and plenty of adults), and JoePa’s comments on beating Nebraska were both wildly inappropriate and, again, sad.

    Helluva way for a great career to end, but end it must. This is all a horrific display on PSU’s part…

  7. westnorthcoast says: Nov 9, 2011 10:54 AM

    He is done.

    His comments finally reflect that he should have done more. Unfortunately, the critics had to brought it to his attention. His mantra about honor and integrity did him in.

    McQueary is no longer a head coach candidate in college football as well. His actions were in the best interest for his career. His father gave him bad advice.

  8. lucky5934 says: Nov 9, 2011 10:56 AM

    Being a victim of such abuse as a child, I more than sympathize with the victims in this case. And I think if it was any other coach, he would be gone immediately. It is Paterno’s history and status at the school that has kept him there this long. It will continue to keep him there until the end of the season. Unfortunately, we do not have enough time (before the end of the season to thoroughly investigate if JoPa knew anything about this. And pure speculation, no matter how promising the accusations are, is no reason to end his legacy before the end of the season. My heart goes out to the victims, as I was once in their shoes. There is no easy way out for anyone at this point. No one wins in these situations. Even when Sandusky is sent to prison, the emotional scars he has inflicted will forever remain. I would say it is far more meaningful to the victims to prosecute Sandusky to the fullest extent of the law than it would be worrying about if Paterno coaches a few more games.

  9. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 10:57 AM

    His commitment to young men (such as 10 year olds) should have been greater. Suspend all football operations for the remainder of the year until an investigation is completed. Suspend it today!!!!

    I could care less if that is not fair to the players. Life is not fair. Was it fair to the 8 boys (and growing number) that were abused? Was it fair that no one took a role in protecting them at PSU?

    This is not Monday Morning Quarterbacking. Joe Pa should have done more when it mattered most in life. He didn’t and his statement says he regrets that.

    Nice to know who the real men are when the chips are down, isn’t it! He’s worried about finishing his commitment to his players? Shame on you Joe. You already shirked your commitment a long time ago. You acknowledge it and still feel you should go on coaching.

    WE ARE…

    I can’t even finish that statement with something that is printable.

  10. nflofficeadmin says: Nov 9, 2011 10:57 AM

    Sandusky was touching on peepee’s and Joe just sat in the other room reading the paper.

  11. rjohn10538 says: Nov 9, 2011 10:58 AM

    “That’s why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status.”

    Not the case Joe. Unfortunately we all wish you would have done more.

    I wonder should the game even be played on Saturday let alone with Joe in the stadium. This from a second generation alum.

    For the Glory rings empty this week.

    PSU ’94

  12. mc724 says: Nov 9, 2011 10:58 AM

    Paterno and Mcqeary are cowards, period. These morally bankrupt people must go now! The kids are still being victimized.

  13. rexachss says: Nov 9, 2011 11:02 AM

    ” I wish I had done more” “pray for the.victims ” he knew …now.get.out! !!!

  14. ticalcaldwell says: Nov 9, 2011 11:04 AM

    END OF THE YEAR……………………Failing to report CHILD RAPE….doesnt get you…”the end of the year”…..your done…This incident truly shows the priorities at this college….wow…put football aside and clean house……NOW….have you read that 23 page horror story….jus sayin

  15. 700levelvet says: Nov 9, 2011 11:06 AM

    “Success with Honor”…….Was just a charade Joe…..

  16. rayburns says: Nov 9, 2011 11:06 AM

    If Joe Paterno is on the sidelines this Saturday representing Penn State . . .

    Man, the very thought just gets my blood boiling…

  17. drobe86 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:08 AM

    This crap isn’t Joepa’s fault… He did what he was supposed to do. People need to get a grip. And I don’t fault mcqueary either… His career was on the line, he told the higher ups. He’s not required to do anything further… They have proper protocol for a reason.

  18. tomtravis76 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:09 AM

    The Penn State program should suspend the rest of its season, they won’t because the money is too gresat, just like the reasons why they covered up Sanduskys kiddie farm associated with their school.

    The current players will get hurt by this ,but their leaders failed everyone. There are consequences for the actions made by PSU leaders. The Big Ten should have a say and ask them to suspend the season, its not good for their conference to have a school competing when it is involved in such a mess of lies and corruption.

    PSU needs to fix their school and those associated with it, sports need to be on the backburner.

  19. nghtrder169 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:10 AM

    Wife to Husband… “The house is burning down to the ground”… Husband to Wife…”you know what, I’m going to finally get rid of that old front door you’ve been complaining about next week and get us a new one”

  20. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 11:18 AM

    drobe86 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 11:08 AM
    This crap isn’t Joepa’s fault… He did what he was supposed to do.
    ______________

    Are you for real? He was the “enabler.”

    Do me a favor and transpose this situation on any other school and coach, and then tell me if you feel the same way. Joe ran the program and this terrible breakdown happened. Oh that’s right, Joe reported to the AD. Right! Joe did all he could.

  21. liquidalfa says: Nov 9, 2011 11:20 AM

    PSU = Paed State University

  22. ronin262 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:21 AM

    I cannot believe the Trustees allowed this enabler to choose the time of his departure, which further proves that alternate reality exists in Happy Valley. You know who is really devastated, JoePa? The abused children and their families, a devastation YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED. Take his statue down, PSU.

  23. mondzy805 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:21 AM

    As a USC Trojan fan, my prayers and best wishes, go to the victims. After Penn State cleans house, I wish them the best. Its unfair for a group of people to go down for something they had nothing to do with, so lets be fair and wish the great people at University Park, Pennsylvania the best. As all Penn State fans. Bring Justice to all the victims.

  24. gorilladunk says: Nov 9, 2011 11:22 AM

    @drobe86…I hope no one ever stumbles upon your wife or daughter being raped. I guess if I walk a block or two and look for a policeman I’d be following “protocol”, right? Enablers such as yourself make me puke! This isn’t whether a kid is getting an extra $200 a month on the side, this is one of the most heinous crimes one can fathom. No one thinks Joe should go to jail, but he SHOULD be relieved IMMEDIATELY of his duties at Penn St.

  25. ticalcaldwell says: Nov 9, 2011 11:22 AM

    I am actually rooting for the media to do its job on this one..(I never root for these vultures), but in this case…They need to go to work on this guy…get him out of there….I can’t believe the arrogance with this guy….It should ‘t be up to him…when he leaves

  26. mrnimziki says: Nov 9, 2011 11:23 AM

    @drobe86 – I REALLY hope you’re not a parent.

  27. mhalt99 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:25 AM

    To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care

    So basically he just admitted to putting the program and “his” players before all else. Guess he could care less about a bunch of innocent children – to his own statement they were below the program and the university.

  28. fatfreddystubbs says: Nov 9, 2011 11:26 AM

    Ignoring the moral arguments for a second, finishing the season is a bad idea for other reasons. I’m a Penn State fan, and if the last three games were at home, i’d still rather his retirement be immediate but whatever.

    The fact that two are on the road opens up way too many new cans of worms. He and McQuery just flat out shouldn’t be allowed to go with the team. He’s talked his whole life about doing what’s best for his players and putting them in the best position. Him and McQuery being there isn’t what’s best for the players, fans of either team, anybody. I’m not saying someone in Columbus or Madison might try and go Lee Harvey Oswald, but simple stuff, heading into the team hotel, the bus to the game, the bus to the airport. this is an incredibly emotional issue, and people feel incredibly strongly about, and the situation is just too raw.

    I always thought the whole thing with two or three state troopers surrounding the football coach was pretty goofy and unecessary, but it’s absolutely necessary here, not just for Joe, but McQuery as well. It sounds trivial to talk about expenses and what not, but why should Ohio or Wisconsin taxpayers have to foot the bill for extra security and what not when it can be avoided.

    It will a zoo regardless, but you can at least try to minimize how much of one.

  29. westnorthcoast says: Nov 9, 2011 11:27 AM

    Joe, finally realized your actions were morally lacking.

    How do you think you should get to coach out the remainder of the season. Do the university, alumni, players, coaches, and fans owe you that? This blemish will be forever tied to your legacy. And you will have plenty of time to show your support of Sandusky while he is in court.

    You might as well come clean on why Sandusky abruptly retired in 1999.

  30. ndirishfan1 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:29 AM

    I disagree with those that are saying that Penn State should cancel the remainder of the season. If you want to say Paterno shouldn’t coach, fine, but to penalize incredibly hard working athletes in the midst of an 8-1 campaign is absurd. Not a single one of them deserve to have their season ended because of the failure of leadership among the higher ups.

  31. Bo Darville says: Nov 9, 2011 11:32 AM

    I think the Nambla Lions were headed this way anyhow. I’ve been hearing rumors that they want to beat Ohio St to Urban Meyer.

  32. raiderinva says: Nov 9, 2011 11:33 AM

    Moving forward JoePa plans on starting a foundation to help under privileged youth who come from broken families.

    Hands on mentoring to mend fences and broken hearts.

    “At least no one is talking about my recruiting violations.” JoePa

  33. bayoubauer says: Nov 9, 2011 11:36 AM

    drobe86 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 11:08 AM
    This crap isn’t Joepa’s fault… He did what he was supposed to do. People need to get a grip. And I don’t fault mcqueary either… His career was on the line, he told the higher ups. He’s not required to do anything further… They have proper protocol for a reason.

    McQueary saw a kid getting molested by an old man. Apparently you’re in the 1% of the population that wouldn’t scream “WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING, GET OFF THAT KID!!”, and get the kid out of there and immediately call the police.

    And Paterno was “not required to do anything further”? What if that was your son/nephew/grandchild in the shower with that pervert? Would you be satisfied with Paterno’s actions?

  34. Deb says: Nov 9, 2011 11:36 AM

    I’ve been extremely critical of Paterno, but appreciate his statement and willingness to end this without a fight. With the rallies to save his job, better to just let him walk away quietly at season’s end than create chaos trying to oust him three weeks sooner.

    And maybe Paterno–who was then 75–never really understood the gravity of the situation. I’ve assumed the grad assistant told Paterno about the rape. But in one account of what Paterno said at the time he seemed to think the assistant just witnessed some kind of inappropriate contact. Only Paterno and the grad assistant know exactly what the assistant told the coach. Did he describe a rape? Or did he hem, haw, and talk in circles? It’s possible Paterno just didn’t get what was happening.

  35. chefklm says: Nov 9, 2011 11:38 AM

    I’m disgusted the most by these idiots holding a rally to support Paterno. If one of the victims were related to them, then let’s see these morons out there.

  36. sportsdrenched.com says: Nov 9, 2011 11:40 AM

    There are still players who had nothing to do with this who deserve a chance to play their last three games. They the ones who will help in the healing process.

    Clean house in the administration as much as possible. But someone has to facilitate the rest of the football season for those players.

  37. thekatman says: Nov 9, 2011 11:42 AM

    In the words of JoePa’s writer….”My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.” So what about spending the rest of your life atoning for your sins against these boys, now men? You had the chance to turn this issue around and amanage it appropriately back in the 1990’s and again in 2002.

    Those who stand by watching abuse happen are jsut as guilty as those to actualy abuse the person. This is law in this country…. see court cases regarding household bound child abuse where the father beats the kids while the mother watches. Just because he has intimidated her to not report it to the police, doesn’t absolve her of responsibility.

    The same construct holds true here.

    And this retirement message is a smokescreen to appease folks. JoePa’s contract expires shortly anyway, so all he’s doing is tellng the university he’s not going to go for a renewal.

    I’m not saying JoePa is the ultimate person who holds this repsonsibility; however, he is just one of many whoa re to held acocuntable and are responsible for Sandusky’s ability to have unfettered access to the athletic facilities and the student athletes.

    It’s bad enough he used the boys who participated in his”boys” foundation, to be his victims. Read to paperwork on the investigation. It’s a very tough read, and this behavior has been going on a the foundation and PSU for a very long time…… all while JoePa was at the helm of running the program.

    Geez, this turn of events will haunt PSA, Paterno, the AD and univ administration forever.

  38. killerstiller says: Nov 9, 2011 11:43 AM

    @drobe86
    “This crap isn’t Joepa’s fault… He did what he was supposed to do. People need to get a grip. And I don’t fault mcqueary either… His career was on the line, he told the higher ups. He’s not required to do anything further… They have proper protocol for a reason.”

    His career? What about that 10 y/o’s life?

  39. 700levelvet says: Nov 9, 2011 11:43 AM

    How the hell do you “hem, haw” around 60 year old man showering with a 10 year old boy?

  40. cdngatorfan says: Nov 9, 2011 11:45 AM

    How do you report something like this to your superiors and not follow up afterwards?

    How do you say that you stand for and uphold integrity and honor in this institution and turn a blind eye towards what you heard another coach under your watch was doing?

    How after holding that silent for so long do you say that now you wish you’d have done more?

    How do you self proclaim that you will finish the rest of the year and say the board should not spend anther minute on you?

    Finally…In PSU’s darkest hour, how do you even think about football at a time such as this.

    Leave now JoePa.

  41. dhc1980 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM

    All of you people are very quick to become experts on a situation when all that you are going by is inflated media reports linking paterno to this awful tragedy. Paterno stated that McQuerry looked distraught and saw Sandusky doing something inappropriate in the school’s facilities. Paterno even went as far as to say the nature and details of the actions were not disclosed to him by McQuerry. How can you taint this man’s legacy by speculation of what you think was said and done. The truth is from from coming out in this unfortunate case. My hope is that McQuerry will come forward and speak the truth about what he exactly said to Paterno. If Joe knew that a child was in danger and did nothing, then, by all means I am ashamed of his character. If he was not informed and kept in the dark as to what Sandusky had done, then it is monumentally unfair to blame this man for allowing these actions to take place. Joe has devoted more time, money, and morals into Penn State then any individual at any University, city, ect. College football, as well as all the young men that turned into successful honest men, owe this man a great deal of gratitude…Not a witch hunt…

    PSU Alum 2002

  42. dhlions says: Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM

    With the benefit of hindsight it is too easy to point and say “You did something wrong!” without confusing the situation with context.

    Everyone involved had a lot at stake. McQueary – his job and future. JoePa – his passion, the University he helped to build and the reputation of a trusted friend. The administration – the University.

    Should more have been done across the entire chain of command? Without question. Though at those moments, with so much on the line that 99.9% of us will never be able to understand, would you have done anything differently?

    No one did anything in the beginning and the whole thing snowballed.

  43. dhlions says: Nov 9, 2011 11:50 AM

    @KillerStiller

    JoePa never saw anything with his own eyes. As much as you guys love hearsay, it doesn’t carry much weight.

  44. auburntigers34 says: Nov 9, 2011 11:52 AM

    he got his precious record. he needs to GTFO now….before he “coaches” another game.

  45. barnesaintnoble says: Nov 9, 2011 12:00 PM

    Blame it on the D-D-D-D-D-Dementia.

  46. fummer34 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:00 PM

    Hello Urban Meyer we have a problem we need you to fix!

  47. thegonz13 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:01 PM

    Isn’t it funny how the university afforded Paterno more dignity than it did to the victims?

    His sudden departure leaves both his fans and detractors to ask who the real “Joe Pa” was.

    Was he a gentle once-in-a-lifetime leader with a knack for molding champions?

    Or was he simply another gridiron pragmatist, a detached football CEO, his sense of right and wrong diluted by decades of coddling from “yes” men paid to make his problems disappear.

    His lack of action tarnished his own legacy…

  48. drobe86 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:01 PM

    Again folks, mcqueary told joepa and Joe told the ad… That’s what’s in sop so that’s what you do… Anything else is not joepa or mcquearys concern… They followed the chain of command. They did what was required. Get over it..

  49. Deb says: Nov 9, 2011 12:06 PM

    700levelvet says:

    How the hell do you “hem, haw” around 60 year old man showering with a 10 year old boy?
    ————————————————

    That’s my question. I’ve been hammering Paterno like everyone else because I assumed McQueary told him the whole story–about the shower, the assault, etc. But has that been confirmed?

    Don’t just give me a thumbs down, set me straight with what you know from the case files. I haven’t had the opportunity to read all this stuff.

  50. grilledjesus says: Nov 9, 2011 12:08 PM

    dhc1980 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM

    This is straight from the Grand Jury Report:
    “Paterno called Tim Curley (“Curley”), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fodling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

    So it would seem that Joe Paterno may not have known for a fact the boy was being sodomized, but I hope he would know that “something of a sexual nature to a young boy” regardless of the actual act is something the police would like to know about.

    “First they came for the communists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

  51. grudenthediva says: Nov 9, 2011 12:11 PM

    I find all these “chain of command” defenses laughable. It’s PENN STATE. It’s JOE PATERNO. He’s the most powerful man on campus, bar none, and you’re going to try and claim he was just some innocent little bystander hiding in his office? Gimme a break. Bowden didn’t get the same courtesy and that was just for a bunch of rogue athletes screwing around with a music class exam, not something as heinous as child rape. Jesus, people, get over your mancrush.

  52. hookermctitties says: Nov 9, 2011 12:11 PM

    For those that still support Joe, go read the indiment. Joe KNEW what was going on and did not contact the police. How do you receive information like this and not follow up????

    Here is why Joe needs to go:

    Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant’s report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley (“Curley”), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

  53. killerstiller says: Nov 9, 2011 12:12 PM

    @ dhlions

    “JoePa never saw anything with his own eyes. As much as you guys love hearsay, it doesn’t carry much weight.”

    Paterno said he should have done more! Where’s the hearsay?

    I doubt Hitler witnessed all of those atrocities. But, I bet he heard about them!

  54. bloggernicky says: Nov 9, 2011 12:18 PM

    drobe86 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 11:08 AM
    This crap isn’t Joepa’s fault… He did what he was supposed to do. … blah,blah,blah, enabling BS…

    REALLY? He did what he was supposed to do? McQueary comes to him and reports that he saw Sandusky anally raping a young boy in the showers. Paterno reports it up the “chain of command”… who essentially do NOTHING about it and Paterno has done all he had to do?
    What about calling the police?!? For not calling the police, he should be indicted along with the others.

    Are you really so wrapped up in the “win at all costs” football mentality to the point that you can defend covering up the molestation of young boys? Is your hero worship of Paterno so absolute that you really justify this coverup? Do you have children? If it had been one of yours, would you still feel that Paterno “did all he had to do”? If so, God help you.

    As for McQueary, don’t get me started. Anything less than running to the child’s rescue immediately is pathetic and cowardly to the point that he should never be able to show his face publicly without real men turning their back on him in scorn.

  55. drobe86 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:19 PM

    In any job you follow the chain of command. Nothing more and nothing less… If mcqueary comes out with this stuff in 99 his career is over before it starts. He went by the chain of command. The rest isn’t his problem.

  56. thefiesty1 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:22 PM

    Paterno HAD to of had conversations with Sandusky after he reported the one incident to the AD. He obviously was covering up the situation as he would NOT throw his buddy and “partner” for 31 years under the bus. BUT, he should have and immediately retired way back then.

    Waiting now until the end of the season is nothing more than a joke by a senile old man that screwed up by not reporting the “incident”(s) to the police.

    How could this man live with himself for all these years knowing that this happened and he did nothing morally. Just shows where his loyalty lies.

    He’s just as sick as Sandusky for not putting a stop to this crap immediately. Not now after it all it the fan, it’s ridiculous to continue the season as coach.

  57. blastfurnaceknows says: Nov 9, 2011 12:22 PM

    Two things occur to me when reading this retirement statement.

    First, if Paterno had the best interests of his players, his commitment to them, in mind he would have announced he was walking away TODAY. He has not been active in game-day coaching for years and is not needed now. His presence can only serve to be a distraction to an 8-1 team on their senior day and consisting of players who had nothing at all to do with this horror story. It serves as yet another example of this old man’s myopic self-interest and ego run amuck. You’re not needed Joe and the school should send you on your way now, if you are unwilling to take that honorable step (the last one available to you) on your own.

    Second, it seems to me Paterno’s commitment to “the best interests of the University” is part of the underlying problem here (only part, because Paterno has always been interested first and foremost in protecting his his own image and legacy). At the extraordinary risk of children, Paterno chose both his image/legacy and the University. It’s not surprising that he would tout that commitment in his retirement statement. After all, it is all he has left.

    And to drobe86, the number of the child victims of Paterno’s good friend and long-time colleague, Sandusky, are increasing by the day. From your comments, it is clear you know none of them and have little regard for those children who suffer from these sort of heinous crimes. If standing idly by, knowing that your friend and colleague who had been accused of child molestation 5 years earlier and had been EYEWITNESSED raping a child in your locker room yesterday, meets your standards, then you moral compass is clearly broken. You must live in a very dark and isolated world. For the rest of our sake, please stay there.

  58. acieu says: Nov 9, 2011 12:23 PM

    Penn State and the reaction of JoePa and the administration is part of the cesspool. College football has become:|
    1) Don,t protect young boys but your
    Program instead. Shame on you for putting your football program first.
    2) let the kickbacks, middlemen and parents sell their sons to Auburn, Oregon and ignore it
    3 Let the corrupt BCS process continue and take the graft and special favors to allow the process to continue.
    4) change conference affiliation s every 15 minutes and screw your other partners Texas for financial gain is the example of greed while they destroyed a great conference.
    5 Prevent Boise State, TCU, Houston from getting shots at the title game so the few elite can always be in it.
    6 Sell that piece of crap between LSU and Bama as the game of the century.
    7 enforce rules against individual players that are so stupid even a 15 year old can see the NCAAs bullshit

    Pedophiles, graft takers and mo ey whores I give you the NCAA,

  59. xlinktothepastxx says: Nov 9, 2011 12:25 PM

    Next time I hear about a crime being committed I’m just going to run to the scene guns blazing and do my best batman impression.

  60. killerstiller says: Nov 9, 2011 12:25 PM

    @drober86,
    How can you condone any of this behavior. OK, legally he did a little as he had to do. Morally, and remember what he has always preached Honor, what did he do for that 10 year-old boy?
    He says he will do all he can for the university when he retires. Well, it needs to start immediately. And it would go a long way if he stepped down immediately.

  61. drobe86 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:26 PM

    @bloggernicky you’re wrong… This is not mcqueary or joe pa fault. They did what was legally required. If you’re looking for someone to blame, blame the parents for sending a kid with a 60 year old man. Blame sandusky. But this isn’t mcqueary or Joepa’s concern. And I’m not even a Penn state fan…

    Hook em horns

  62. tommy57 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:28 PM

    A “visibly shaken” McQueary reported an incident of sexual misconduct between an adult and a 10 year old boy. As a husband and a father, Paterno leaves it at that? Doesn’t ask for specifics? Maybe didn’t want to know the specifics is more like it in my opinion. Sometimes people are presented with circumstances not of their own making or their own choosing that require a decision, to do the right thing or to do otherwise. Sometimes these decisions are required in a split second, sometimes people have the benefit of time to ponder their options. Paterno had the benefit of time, and made his choice. I think if the boy in the shower had been one of his sons, the decision he made would probably have been different. He needs to go, and now.

  63. grilledjesus says: Nov 9, 2011 12:33 PM

    drobe86 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 12:19 PM
    In any job you follow the chain of command. Nothing more and nothing less… If mcqueary comes out with this stuff in 99 his career is over before it starts. He went by the chain of command. The rest isn’t his problem.
    ————————————————

    Not sure where your moral guidelines come from but they are messed up. Perhaps you were in the military with all this “chain of command” bullcrap, but if I reported something this serious to my SNCO or CO and they did nothing I would personally go to JAG or Legal with my concerns.
    That is what Joe Paterno and McQueery should have done, if they had one shred of human decency in their bodies.

  64. drobe86 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:35 PM

    @blastfurnance…. This isn’t joes problem man. I could see if he didn’t tell anyone but he did… If they force joepa out that program won’t ever be worth anything again… What part of that’s not joes problem do you people not understand? He’s not the ad, chancellor or president of the university… He was a 75 year old on coach at that time. If they get rid of Joe they all deseve to burn in hell…

  65. eaglessuperfan says: Nov 9, 2011 12:39 PM

    How in the heck can they let him finish the year. What in the world is going on with my Tax dollars.

  66. savoirlaire says: Nov 9, 2011 12:39 PM

    drobe86:

    “This is not mcqueary or joe pa fault. They did what was legally required. If you’re looking for someone to blame, blame the parents for sending a kid with a 60 year old man. Blame sandusky. But this isn’t mcqueary or Joepa’s concern. And I’m not even a Penn state fan…

    Hook em horns”

    You just keep wading deeper and deeper into this, don’t you? You are reprehensible for continuing to take this position…”blame the parents”?!?! WTF, you goddamn idiot?!?! Go away, drobe, go suck JoePa’s unit or something, you friggin’ sicko!!

  67. effjohntaylornorelation says: Nov 9, 2011 12:42 PM

    Does anyone else share my concern over ALL of this reprehensible information coming to light just 6 days after Joe Pa set the the all time win record?

    Will Mike McQueary lose his hush money “tenure” as well?

    I am dusgusted and angered and sad and sorry and confused as to how this was allowed to happen. To allow the children to continue to be assaulted and forever damaged while the administration did all they could to NOT acknowledge the crimes here.

    Mike McQueary is a greedy coward. He had a chance to make a difference in this world and save and/or protect other children from the monster that is Jerry Sandusky and MIKE MCQUEARY DID NOTHING TO HELP THE CHILDREN!!!!!! Coward. Greed. Loser.

  68. grilledjesus says: Nov 9, 2011 12:43 PM

    drobe86 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 12:35 PM
    Joe deseve to burn in hell…
    ———————————–

    There, fixed that for you.

  69. yankehammer says: Nov 9, 2011 12:44 PM

    Pedophilia is a much larger problem in society than most people want to acknowledge. In some circles of thought, this behavior is perfectly normal.

    http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/index.htm

    Truly terrifying that these people consider themselves sane.

    If only Nancy Schaefer was still with us.

  70. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 12:45 PM

    Drobe,

    You are simply ignorant. The scheme of the Sandusky using the Second Mile group because they supported these “at risk” kids without parents (one or both in some cases) or who had challenges and needed some help. So go on, blame parents who unwittingly involved their kids in this organization. You’ll blame anyone, but the “chain of command” people who did the absolute least to protect anyone here.

    Further, maybe they did not break a law but do they not have any moral obligation to protect a child from molestation? I already no what you answer is and it sickens me.

    Not that I am prone to say this, but the Texas background was all you needed to disclose. Enough said!

  71. dhlions says: Nov 9, 2011 12:45 PM

    @KillerStiller.

    Hitler analogies? Really? Stay classy.

  72. drobe86 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:53 PM

    Who here goes against the chain of command and does whatever they want putting their own family and lives in jeopardy? You follow the chain of command… Nothing more nothing less…

  73. cdngatorfan says: Nov 9, 2011 12:54 PM

    drobe86,

    Protocol is a process.

    Each man must weigh his moral resposibility and integrity seperately, and act according to what he stands for.

    I believe JoePa knew he fell short in that when he said, “I wish I had done more”

    There are many victims, and their families who could not agree more.

  74. whyalwaysthehate says: Nov 9, 2011 12:54 PM

    Clean the house and scrub the showers now.

  75. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 12:55 PM

    ndirishfan1 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 11:29 AM
    I disagree with those that are saying that Penn State should cancel the remainder of the season. If you want to say Paterno shouldn’t coach, fine, but to penalize incredibly hard working athletes in the midst of an 8-1 campaign is absurd. Not a single one of them deserve to have their season ended because of the failure of leadership among the higher ups.
    ___________

    So sad your comment. So if their record was 1-8 it wouldn’t be absurd? So lives of these abused young boys that have been ruined is about just going on with football and keeping up a good win-loss record? Do me a favor and re-read your post. Did you really mean that? You are that shallow?

    I agree it is about leadership. And it is time someone at PSU become a real leader, not one with just fancy WE ARE statements, or prepared statements. Be a leader. Cancel the season while this is investigated. What is more important than that? Oh, their record, that’s right.

  76. fairandbalanced11 says: Nov 9, 2011 12:57 PM

    Where is the outrage directed to Sandusky? He should swing from a tree for so horrendously damaging these boys and tarnishing the university and the legacy of Paterno. The university and Paterno are collateral damage to Sandusky’s evil. If McQuery told Paterno the truth about what he saw, then Paterno is lying and should and will suffer more severe consequences. But Paterno stated under oath that McQuery did not tell Paterno exactly what he saw. This makes Paterno’s actions more appropriate. Wish he had followed up, but who really knows what he did afterwards? Sandusky retired from coaching at PSU 3 years before this incident occurred, and not necessarily on mutual terms. To suggest Sandisky’s behavior was known by Paterno, beyond the incident in 2002, and covered up is pure speculation and, in my opinion, highly unlikely. This is a tremendously sad outcome for all involved and that includes Paterno. What should have been a jubulant end to an outstanding career is now sadly a major embarrassment. Jerry Sandusky is to blame.

  77. killerstiller says: Nov 9, 2011 1:06 PM

    dhlions says:Nov 9, 2011 11:50 AM

    Just making a point, Ass!

    Quit making excuses. We all know Sandusky was the was the perv, here. That does not absolve anyone else from the moral responsibility to report the incident to authorities.

    Why in the hell are we even arguing with you dumbasses. You don’t get it & you will never get it!

  78. frug says: Nov 9, 2011 1:10 PM

    That’s why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address.

    Unbelievable. All this and JoePa still feels the need to make clear to the school he’s going to leave when he damn well pleases.

  79. mgscott says: Nov 9, 2011 1:13 PM

    How in the world does he still have a job? There is proof he knew of children getting assaulted and didn’t get fired? Sports is a joke. If this idiot was normal every guy he’d already be a done deal. Sports gets worse and worse by the day.

  80. killerstiller says: Nov 9, 2011 1:13 PM

    @fairandbalanced11
    “What should have been a jubulant end to an outstanding career is now sadly a major embarrassment.”

    If Joe had followed up, this would not have the sad, embarrassing ending you suggest. He would have been looked at in a light much fonder light than the one shining today. Then we would have known his morality. Now, we are left to message boards to debate it!

  81. CJ says: Nov 9, 2011 1:14 PM

    In working with students for much of my life, I know that certain positions in schools, churches, social work, etc. are “mandated reporters”.

    However I am not aware whether this relates to colleges as well. I’m curious though, who holds those mandated reporter responsibilities in this chain of command, if any.

  82. CJ says: Nov 9, 2011 1:20 PM

    fairandbalanced11,

    No one’s mentioning Sandusky here because that isn’t up for debate. We all know he’s to blame and he’s a creep and he should never see the light of day again. Anyone who argues that point is a moron.

    The debate you see here is that, if McQuery or JoePa would’ve done more than the “legal minimum” then, maybe we’d only be looking at two or three victims as opposed to two dozen. And Sandusky sure as hell wouldn’t still have a charitable foundation full of young boys to fondle and rape.

    They aren’t the ones that did the heinous raping, no. But that doesn’t absolve them by any means.

  83. dhlions says: Nov 9, 2011 1:22 PM

    @killerstiller

    I understand that, however we live in a world where there is an valuable area between 0 and 1 that is often overlooked. An area where there are ways to eloquently make points that don’t involve hyperbolic analogies.

    As for being a dumbass, that’s fine, but I still think a lot of people are overlooking the fact that they weren’t there, and that they will never be able to completely understand the emotions that were going through Paterno and McQueary.

  84. drunkenagitator says: Nov 9, 2011 1:32 PM

    Given the circumstances, I just don’t think Paterno merits a “farewell tour”, regardless of his stellar career as HC. He should step aside immediately, or be forced to resign right away. Allowing him to dictate the terms comes across as arrogant and also gives the impression that football is more important than it really is. Allowing Paterno to have so much power at PSU was part of the problem; the university needs to send a message here that football does not run the school, it’s the other way around.

  85. mhalt99 says: Nov 9, 2011 1:33 PM

    oh and for everyone that says joe didn’t know or wasn’t told………………………if i hear that an inappropriate situation happened between a little boy and an adult I just don’t nod my head and move on. I find out what happened……..in fact the less I know the more it will burn for me to find the truth as any person will begin to assume the worst.

    the one thing i really can’t shake are all of the….actually the 1% of penn state paterno apologists. the vast majority of penn staters are smart enough to understand what happened here…that 1% just keeps on worrying about their record and the future of penn state. penn state will be fine. fire everyone and bring in new people. make sure they pay for what they did. i would take down all references to joepa….void all victories and start a new chapter…..scratch that start a new book.

    I wouldn’t cancel the season. you have players that have worked their entire lives to get to the point that they are at. they deserve to compete as they may never get the chance again. the penn state coaching staff are professionals the innocent ones will find new jobs while the others will……………..

    I am sure that if you asked another legendary coach like bobby bowden or whomever you choose they could put together a coaching staff to get the kids (because thats what the players are) through the rest of the season. before you figure out what to do next year. maybe a year or two idle would be what is best in this case – maybe just a new coach and an administration is what is called for. joepa should be shown the door today.

    good luck psu – i know he used to be a legend but you deserve much better then joepa and co

  86. 187onsandusky says: Nov 9, 2011 1:38 PM

    @ Deb

    It is my understanding that as soon as McQueary said inappropriate, Joe stopped the conversation.

    Joe then contacted his higher ups. It took them a week and a half to then talk to McQueary for the details.

    It seems like a case of plausible deniability, and in no way excuses Joe from not following up.

    I wish McQueary had been a man and handled the situation then and there.

    In any case, I can’t see them finishing the season on staff. The distraction would be too much, and frankly that would be the best way to invite even more venom and hatred (deserved) towards the University.

  87. scythesl says: Nov 9, 2011 1:39 PM

    @bunkmcnulty:
    Texas background? Are you kidding me? Ever been to Texas?

    @drobe:
    How has Maqueary’s decision saved his career?
    Chain of command? Are you reading your posts before you hit submit?

  88. tebowsgonnagitya says: Nov 9, 2011 1:43 PM

    I hope someone takes this loser out before he gets to retire. F him and F all of Penn state for being Child rape enablers.

  89. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 1:46 PM

    @sycthesl,
    4 times…did I miss something on my visits? I think I saw enough.

  90. namriverrat69 says: Nov 9, 2011 1:50 PM

    JoePa just made a public statement to the effect “I wish I’d done more”. Easy to say NOW that it has caused the end of your career and stained PSU for years to come.

    Everyone wishes you had done more. Nobody wishes you had done more than that 10 year old boy who was being raped 10 years ago and you ignored it what, because you didn’t want to believe it? That allowed many other boys to be raped and scared for life. You have no right for any self pity Joe Pa. You should retire immediately, forget football. You should be doing everything in your power to help these children and now adults learn to cope with their torn lives which you allowed to happen on your watch, under your command, at your facilities on campus at PSU.

    You should forget about football and donate the rest of your life to helping abused children learn to live with what happened to them and develop into coping, happy functioning adults. That is your penance Joe. MAN UP AND DO IT!!

  91. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 2:11 PM

    What a bunch of idiots!! I thought we had long ago grew beyond a lynch mob mentality. NONE of you know exactly what Mike McQuery told Joe Pa back in 2002. None of you know what he told the Atletic Director when he reported it. None of you know if he followed up on it afterwords or what he was told. These are the things that are determined in a court of law. The laws that are supposed to protect ALL of our citizens. Has he been indicted for any wrongdoing? NO. But what the heck, lets lynch Paterno now and ruin a 61 year old extremely distinguished career. I can’t help but guess that the majority of people that have posted here are just jealous fools that want jump on a bandwagon and kill everyone remotely connected to Penn State and it’s former defensive coach. Remember, hindsight is always 20/20. If the allegations against Sandusky are true (and it sure looks henious) then there isn’t anything you can do to him that would be punishment enough. But you can’t ruin everyone’s lives without due process. EVERYONE deserves that. Hell even Sandusky deserves that. But Paterno deserves more, after all, he hasn’t even been charged with a crime. Bob Ford and the other Philly Media and politically motivated career builders who are stirring the watershed against Paterno should be ashamed of themselves. I’m ashamed, not of Paterno, but of the media themselves and how they depict our proud city and it’s great men.

  92. holeinone09 says: Nov 9, 2011 2:15 PM

    What a terrible tragedy for the victims and their families. Sandusky is apparently a sick monster and I am shocked he is out on such low bail. What is the deal with that? He should not be allowed on the streets. His actions are also going to take down a lot of people that otherwise probably led fairly decent lives, that are the “collateral damage” as someone earlier said.

    As to Joe specifically, I have a lot of mixed emotions. I didn’t go to Penn State so there is no connection there. Unlike some of you that apparently have some inside information or crystal ball about EXACTLY what happened and what was said to Joe, what he said, etc, I don’t. I think the facts will come out over time, and as the case against Sandusky is played out in the courts and people testify. Clearly Joe did many many great things for many people in his time at Penn State, and from what I know Penn State’s record with people and morals is pretty clean until this situation. I would hope those accomplishments are remembered and properly valued/considered. In hindsight, he clearly could and should have done things differently, but again I don’t know what was said to whom. If McQueary said anything to him about sodomy, then I would really question why Joe and him didn’t stnd together and push the issue more with the PSU management. Did they even interview Sandusky and ask him to identify the child so they could talk to him???

    Nonetheless, I do think Joe’s best course of action would have been to step down right now. If anything, that would have taken a lot of the current distraction away. His statement showed remorse about coulda shoulda woulda, but I think if he just stepped down right now, he would have come across in a better light, for now anyway. I don’t think it would have impacted whatever his image and rep will end up being after all is said and done. He could have taken a stand to say he doesn’t want his situation to be the issue right now, and it is in the best interest of Penn State and everyone that he just step down now. Now, he seems to be saying it is in the best interests to finish out the season, which I don’t agree with.

  93. dhlions says: Nov 9, 2011 2:21 PM

    http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html?m=0

  94. onceuponatimeinsports says: Nov 9, 2011 2:28 PM

    For those Perv-State apologists who believe Jo-Perv simply didn’t know the extent of what McQueary saw please do us all a favor and read the following excerpt from AP…

    Since Monday, more victims have come forward, raising the total to almost 20, myFOXphilly.com reported last night. A new report contradicted Paterno’s claim that he wasn’t told the details of an alleged sexual assault committed by Jerry Sandusky, his former defensive coordinator. A source told The New York Times that the graduate assistant who witnessed the alleged assault provided “explicit details” during a face-to-face meeting the following day with Paterno. Officials said the administrators failed to notify authorities about the allegations against Sandusky, 67, who has been charged with 21 felony counts for allegedly abusing eight victims over a period of 15 years. According to the indictment against Sandusky, Paterno notified Curley in 2002 after the graduate assistant on his coaching staff reported that he witnessed Sandusky having sexual intercourse with a young boy in the Penn State locker-room shower. Sandusky was no longer a coach at the university at the time, but had access to the locker room as part of a nonprofit organization he ran for at-risk children. Paterno’s legal requirement was that he notify his superior, but on Monday, Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan suggested there was a “moral responsibility” for the coach to make sure police were contacted.

  95. Ted says: Nov 9, 2011 2:31 PM

    All these “chain of command” apologists are ignoring one simple fact, and I’m a veteran speaking from experience; regardless of any chain of command “policy”, it was stressed that there was an open-door policy allowing you to take your issue directly to an authority higher than the next one in your chain.

  96. grilledjesus says: Nov 9, 2011 2:32 PM

    srg608 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 2:11 PM
    NONE of you know exactly what Mike McQuery told Joe Pa back in 2002. None of you know what he told the Atletic Director when he reported it.
    ————————————————
    Feel free to read the Grand Jury Report, readily available online, before you state what “Joe Pa” wasn’t told.

    ———————————————-
    holeinone09 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 2:15 PM
    If McQueary said anything to him about sodomy, then I would really question why Joe and him didn’t stnd together and push the issue more with the PSU management.
    ————————————————
    “Paterno called Tim Curley (“Curley”), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

    Does it HAVE to be sodomy for a REAL MAN to stand up for a 10 year old boy in your eyes? I think this makes it pretty clear what any REAL ADULT, man or woman, should have done.

  97. mcs040 says: Nov 9, 2011 2:34 PM

    This is crazy what the media is doing to Joe Paterno. He did nothing wrong ,yet there acting like hes the criminal here. He did his part by reporting it to his superiors. His picture is plastered on every channel and sports website. Soon people are going to start believing he committed this hanus act. How come there not talking about the actual person that did this or plastering his pic everywhere. It’s really unfortunate this has occurred but the media is really destroying his career. Media really has a tendency to do that.

  98. jonanthans says: Nov 9, 2011 2:34 PM

    PSU used to be a class-act college.

    Now its joined the trash ranks..

    Good luck recruiting…

  99. killerstiller says: Nov 9, 2011 2:43 PM

    Hanus?

  100. bw115 says: Nov 9, 2011 2:45 PM

    Its been a hell of a ride Joe

  101. tigrrrr says: Nov 9, 2011 2:53 PM

    Joe Paterno should have called the police. Period. It was his duty as a member of this society. Anything less, and he deserves some responsibility of the continued abuse of these children. He needs to be arrested, at the very least resign NOW!

  102. stairwayto7 says: Nov 9, 2011 2:56 PM

    Thank you coach Paterno for 46 years of Penn State football. You are an icon, you are the GREATEST COACH EVER! The toads who want you gone only wish that you were there head coach! JOE PA IS GOD!

  103. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 3:02 PM

    “Joe Paterno should have called the police. Period. It was his duty as a member of this society. Anything less, and he deserves some responsibility of the continued abuse of these children. He needs to be arrested, at the very least resign NOW!”

    OMG – What kind of idiots live in this country!!!

  104. gatorbait24 says: Nov 9, 2011 3:02 PM

    Who here goes against the chain of command and does whatever they want putting their own family and lives in jeopardy? You follow the chain of command… Nothing more nothing less…

    ——————————————-

    So if you are witnessing a murder at work you don’t call the police, or try to intervene, you just call your boss? It is the chain of command after-all! Man, I hope nothing ever happens to you or your family when the chain of command isn’t around!!!

  105. dkhhuey says: Nov 9, 2011 3:05 PM

    My PSU buddies were talking a bit ago and they came up with perhaps the only scenario that makes some sense out of the different versions between McCreary and Joe Pa’s Grand Jury testimony – outside, of course, that it is discovered that Joe Pa actually lied and/or white-washed the facts.

    It is conceivable that McCreary came over, started to relay the story to Joe Pa, who hearing the seeing Sandusky and a boy in the shower acting inappropriately, Joe Pa stopped him and said it was out of his authority and of such a grave nature that he needed to talk to his superiors. That is the only way Joe gets out of this with his legacy somewhat intact. Outside of that scenario, it does look bad.

  106. onceuponatimeinsports says: Nov 9, 2011 3:19 PM

    @dkhhuey – As they say in Texas, “That dog just won’t hunt.”

    How could Jo-Perv go to his superiors with the story if he stopped McCreary from telling him the whole story!?

    Does that make sense to anybody here!? “I have to take this to somebody else so please stop explaining it.” Really?!

    More than likely you would say, “This is such a serious issue I need to know EXACTLY what you saw so I can explain it clearly to the powers that be. Peoples careers and a possible crime are at stake here.”

    That’s the ONLY scenario that makes sense. If Jo-Perv did stop McCreary from explaining it completely it was because he just didn’t want to face the truth.

    And that’s why he’s in such hot water now…

  107. dkhhuey says: Nov 9, 2011 3:29 PM

    @once – I know its a long shot and I am not arguing that is what happened, however, it does explain why JoePa is saying he didn’t know the extent of what McCreary saw until he actually read the Grand Jury report.

    Having said that, and its why the scenario came up was do to our conversation around having that exact same scenario. I walked into my bosses office and started to describe something that happened to me and I wanted her advice. As soon as I started to describe the situation, she heard a particular phrase/word and immediately stopped me and said that was way beyond her bailiwick and I needed to work with another person.

    It is not out of the realm of possibilities that as soon as McCreary mentioned Sandusky naked in the shower with a 10 year old kid, Joe Pa could have stopped him dead in his tracks and called Curly and crew to set up the meeting the next day. Again, it is wise to hear all of the facts before thoroughly destroying this man for there will certainly be enough time to do that when its all said and done.

  108. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 3:36 PM

    srg608
    I understand due process. But with the facts of the Grand Jury testimony let’s restate what is known and sworn to.

    The GA witnesses a rape of a little boy in the football showers.
    The GA tells JoePa about the rape.
    JoePa relays this to the AD.
    The AD fails to notify the proper authorities.
    JoePa did not do anything else. But he met the minimum requirement of the law.

    At what point does a grown man say, “those were terrible allegations, I ought to follow up on it. I know Sandusky was never arrested. What gives?”

    Now if McQueary had something really important like a star player’s grades that could impact eligibility, how much you wanna bet Joe follows up on that? How much you want to bet that gets more than the minimum effort?

    All you who defend JoePa, when you look at this situation in this context it makes me even sicker. Your head is in the sand if you can’t see this.

  109. corvusrex96 says: Nov 9, 2011 3:43 PM

    Can you imagine the media that will swarming at the whatever bowl game PSU gets invited to play in.

    They are 8 -1 and are already bowl eligible. There is no way that the board of trustees what that to play out……..

  110. k9tt0 says: Nov 9, 2011 3:57 PM

    Joe covered for his boy. Let them both burn in hell.

  111. killerstiller says: Nov 9, 2011 4:02 PM

    @ stairwayto7
    JOE PA IS GOD!

    My God wouldn’t have let that happen!

  112. iplaybad says: Nov 9, 2011 4:05 PM

    Child molestation is the worst thing a human can do. It is to deprive a person of their natural evolution – a proper sexual coming of age. Child molestation haunts its victims. It is a persistent torture that should not be wished upon any human soul.

    Whomever knew about these events and did nothing, they are morally culpable for covering up these acts. As people, we are responsible for holding each other accountable in order to prevent these heinous acts from occurring. When we don’t step up to the plate by working against such atrocity, we fail as people.

    In this case, Joe Paterno and the others at Penn State who did nothing made the problem worse. They gave Sandusky a forum to abuse more children. They made it possible for more people’s lives to be tragically affected by one person’s sickness. Cover your ass defenses do not cut it.

  113. tomtravis76 says: Nov 9, 2011 4:10 PM

    You know what “chain of command ” is good for, it is good for cover ups. Just like the one at Penn State that so far is going back as far as 1994.

    This is not some grad assistant seeing a person associated with the program violating NCAA rules, this is not some booster giving a kid some extra cash, this is bigger than chain of command.

    The police needed to be involved from day 1, but those higher up in the chain of command decided to make the decisions, they chose not to follow the law, they took the law into their own hands and by doing this the destroyed many lives.

    Paterno did not commit these acts ,but he protected his friend and his football team over helping young kids from a predator. We have laws in this country for protection and Penn State decided that they would make their own laws.

  114. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 4:10 PM

    Joe covered for his boy. Let them both burn in hell.

    How is reporting it to his boss covering up for his boy? I repeat – Was he indcted for any crime? NO. Is he the focus of any ongoing investigation? Again, NO. You moral armchair police that want to crucify him without knowing ALL the facts, when the authorities who know much more than you have already determined that he is guilty of no crime, should be ashamed of yourselves.

  115. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 4:18 PM

    Personally I think you are misdirecting your anger towards Joe Pa, when it should be directed to Sandusky and maybe those that actually committed a crime. Child molestation, as so many of you have pointed out, is a horrible horrible crime. But lets still be fair and direct our attention to the parties that broke the law.

  116. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 4:22 PM

    Srg08.
    I recounted the facts we know that are sworn to as court records…read my post above. Since when did not reporting a rape become a moral argument? I guess that matters only to us “moral armchair police?”

    Yippee, you’re right. He did not break a law. Congratulations, let’s raise another statue for him. But he sure did not do what I suspect most of us would do in a heartbeat. Call the police. If not when he called the AD, a few days, or maybe a week later when he realized nothing happened.

    But I am guessing at all these sworn facts, right? None of know any of this to be true, right?

    Wake up man…smell the coffee. Why are you in denial? Is he withholding something on you (only speculation in this post!)?

  117. blastfurnaceknows says: Nov 9, 2011 4:26 PM

    stairwayto7 says “The toads who want you gone only wish that you were there [sic] head coach! JOE PA IS GOD!.”

    I am very glad that Paterno has had nothing to do with any college football team in my community. I shiver to think at the damage he would have allowed to have occurred there. As for your proclamation that he is your “GOD,” good luck with that. That is just the sort of “head-in-the-sand,” sad, win-first mentality that allowed Paterno to think he was above reproach at PSU. Just so you know, your idol-worship, sir or madam, helped pave the way to PSU and Paterno’s firm belief that they were unimpeachable regardless of the circumstances. Turns out you, Sandusky, Paterno, Curley, Spanier, et al, were all pitifully WRONG.

    In any event, on my end, I’d prefer my prayers get answered with something other than victimization, cowardice and self-interest, but I guess that’s me.

  118. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 4:35 PM

    bunkmcnulty

    Is he withholding something on me? Just something I’d expect to “hear” from someone as irresponsible in your persecution as you appear to be.

    There is a big difference between breaking the law and doing or not doing something that someone else thinks is right or wrong. There can always be someone else looking over your shoulder 10 years later and judging you based on their moral code. That is the exact reason that we are a country of laws. Written down. And enforced. Not judgement calls based on an individuals own moral code or opinion. Should he have contacted the police directly. I wasn’t there and I don’t claim to know. What I do know is that to crucify an 80+ year old man without due process that has done nothing but great things for the University and the young men entrusted in his care is both unfair and irresponsible.

  119. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 4:37 PM

    @blastfurnace

    Stairwayto7 is a well know, let’s say “less than smart poster”, on the PFT site. He, IMHO is the absolute dumbest poster on this or any site. He purposely says the most absurd things to get attention. Don’t waste your time.

  120. savoirlaire says: Nov 9, 2011 4:43 PM

    “srg608 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 4:10 PM
    Joe covered for his boy. Let them both burn in hell.

    How is reporting it to his boss covering up for his boy? I repeat – Was he indcted for any crime? NO. Is he the focus of any ongoing investigation? Again, NO. You moral armchair police that want to crucify him without knowing ALL the facts, when the authorities who know much more than you have already determined that he is guilty of no crime, should be ashamed of yourselves”

    The only person here, you moron, that should be ashamed of themselves is you for taking such a cowardly position on this. Your arguments above hold no water whatsever. Reporting it to his boss is not his only obligation here and you damn well know it. You are apparently such a PSU homer and Paterno ass-licker that you are willing to overlook some kid getting buggered in the shower, and the cover-up that ensued (because that is exactly what it was) so you can still have your Gnarly Lion wet dreams. You are pathetic, you loser!!

  121. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 4:53 PM

    srg08,
    You’re parsing of the events is pretty remarkable. Not reporting a rape of a 10 year old boy, when no one else has done anything about it is, how do you say “up to one’s own moral code or opinion.” Wow. I guess I expect more from people than you do. I did not realize this was such a gray area.

    You seem like a smart guy. But again, while I understand due process, my issue is not putting this man in jail. I don’t think he deserves that. But letting him continue to coach amid the circumstances now present (again, these are sworn Grand Jury testimony and facts) is derelict on the part of the Trustees of PSU. You would have to agree that under these circumstances, anyone else would at least be relegated to a forced administrative leave while all this is sorted out.

    You are giving him a pass he does not deserve under the circumstances. He should not be an active coach. He should be placed on leave. If that then runs up to his retirement so be. Have a JoePa day at Beaver stadium next year. That would be in better taste than letting him continue under these circumstances.

  122. artisan3m says: Nov 9, 2011 5:20 PM

    Paterno should be allowed to finish the season. His team should not be expected to pay a price for his indiscretions ~ and firing a head coach of Joe’s stature in mid-stride would have devastating impact on the Nittnany Lions. If Penn State goes to a post season bowl, Paterno should not be allowed to coach beyond the final gun of the final season game. My God, there have been enough innocent victims already. Let’s not insist that an entire college football team be added to the list in order to extract a needless pound of flesh.

  123. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 5:34 PM

    The only person here, you moron, that should be ashamed of themselves is you for taking such a cowardly position on this. Your arguments above hold no water whatsever. Reporting it to his boss is not his only obligation here and you damn well know it. You are apparently such a PSU homer and Paterno ass-licker that you are willing to overlook some kid getting buggered in the shower, and the cover-up that ensued (because that is exactly what it was) so you can still have your Gnarly Lion wet dreams. You are pathetic, you loser!!

    Cowardly Position? I don’t think so. It’s not being cowardly to stick up for a persons LEGAL RIGHTS. You Jack@ass.

  124. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 5:46 PM

    bunkmcnulty

    You’re parsing of the events is pretty remarkable.

    You seem to to have a specific agenda with your parsing out of the timeline too. You say he didn’t report it, I say he did. You don’t know if he followed up afterwards with the AD and neither do I. And I am not giving him a pass. I’m saying that everyone should let due process happen prior to punishing someone. I think that based on the 61 years of sparkling reputation and unquestioned integrity up to this point deserves some basis for giving him the benefit of the doubt. Why is everyone so quick to destroy someones reputation? Regardless of whether you like Penn State, it is a mans LIFE. Everyone deserves their day in court prior to being punished – legally or in the court of public opinion. Please don’t be so crass as to suggest that I don’t think that the things that Sandusky is charged with are any less horrific than they are. Nothing could be worse than what he’s accused of, but misplaced anger is just that, misplaced.

  125. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 5:51 PM

    savoirlaire

    You sir are exactly what is wrong with America today. Stupidity and ignorance!!

  126. chiefagc5675 says: Nov 9, 2011 6:02 PM

    There are an awful lot of hysterical comments being made and in my opninon thery’re made by people who were sexually abused and didn’t report it or no one believed them- so when there’s a case like this they go crazy reliving their own case instead of what happened here. Joe Paterno raped no one- he reported what he says McQuery told him. You people need therapy but insterad you’re crucifying an innocent man.

  127. tigrrrr says: Nov 9, 2011 6:31 PM

    @Srg608
    I pray you are never running any dept that my children need to be a part of. Your opinions and logic are exactly what is wrong with this issue and why it still occurs ! God help our children.

  128. nuclearwarfare says: Nov 9, 2011 6:34 PM

    @chiefagc5675

    I agree with you. A lot of the people here are acting like Paterno himself molested a child. When it comes to sexual abuse, most people don’t keep a clear head. Instead, they lash out at the first person that may have done more to prevent it.

    Nine comments. That’s the amount of comments it took people here to make before they actually mentioned the man who molested those kids.

    Listen, JoePa reported what he was told. You can’t exactly go to the police and say, “Hey, this guy told me that this other guy was molesting a kid in the shower” without some kind of proof. It’s not Paterno’s responsibility to report it to the police BECAUSE HE DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING. The man that walked into the shower room and saw a 10 year old being sodomized…he’s the one that should have reported it since, you know, HE SAW IT.

    I’m just thankful none of you have any power to do anything about this because you’d really screw things up.

  129. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 6:40 PM

    tigrrrr

    I pray you are never running any dept that my children need to be a part of. Your opinions and logic are exactly what is wrong with this issue and why it still occurs ! God help our children.

    Really? My logic about a man being innocent until proven guilty? The foundation of our judicial system? You mean that logic? I pray that you never hold a public office that doles out injustice and ignorance. Lets just put everyone that is ever accused of something in jail and then decide if they’re guilty later. Yeah, that sounds fair, lets make it guilty until proven innocent.

    Until you’re the one who is forced to defend yourself, then it’s all tears and why me’s?

  130. tigrrrr says: Nov 9, 2011 6:46 PM

    @Neuclearwarfare
    If you hold a position of responsibility, and your people report a crime to you. You need to contact the police, as the person who saw it happening should have too. There is no logical reason to hold back or delay. Personally if i saw it happening i would have stepped up and stopped it right then and there. Joe patrno needs to resign.
    Based on his history would he tell his higher ups if it happened again or call the police? He shouldnt be trusted with our children.

  131. nuclearwarfare says: Nov 9, 2011 7:05 PM

    @tigrrr

    Answer two questions for me:

    Did JoePa molested a 10 year old in a shower?

    Did JoePa witness a 10 year old being molested in a shower?

  132. pastabelly says: Nov 9, 2011 7:38 PM

    “I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.”

    =================================

    And he felt no obligation to little boys. He is a piece of crap.

    It doesn’t make a difference if he witnessed any of it or not. He knew about it and enabled it by not reporting it. How can he live with himself? Rot in hell Joe.

  133. familyjoool says: Nov 9, 2011 7:38 PM

    Drobe86 is a bater. And he’s a master at it.

  134. tigrrrr says: Nov 9, 2011 7:40 PM

    Nw….
    No he did not in either case, nor should he be charged for it. What he didnt do was stop it from happening again when he knew it was going on. If any of the people that i oversee at work came to me as an eyewitness, my first stop is the police dept. Period.

  135. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 7:49 PM

    Srg,
    No debate on the timeline. Unless Joe is not revealing relevant information he did not follow up. He passed the buck. I guess this was not important to follow up on. Again, if I am making this up he lied to the grand jury. It would have been in the 23 page Grand Jury report otherwise. And you accuse me and others of rushing to judgement? When you say how do I know he didn’t follow up. Because he would have said it to the Grand jury, that’s why. You’re the one creating facts to make you feel better about Joe Pa.

    My agenda. None really. Holding people accountable might be it.

    Last, putting him on paid leave while this is investigated is incredibly fair and respectful given the severity of these circumstances. Most of us are more concerned with the LIFE OF THESE CHILDREN as opposed to the man, who, is his owns words today, wishes he had done more to protect them.

    Oh, one more last. I am guessing you are a PSU person. Doesn’t make you exactly objective now does it?

  136. srg608 says: Nov 9, 2011 8:15 PM

    Every fact is contained in the grand jury report? I guess no trial is necessary then. Oh wait, a grand jury report isn’t a trial. And no I’m not creating facts, I’m just not will to ruin a man’s life prematurely. I don’t think he has done enough, or not enough to be fired. And yes I think that, to a certain degree, he has earned to have the benefit of the doubt extended until all of the facts are presented in a court of law. Putting him on paid leave is fair? Really?

    The way I see it there isn’t much in the way of objectivity going on in any of these posts tonight.

    As someone else posted:

    Did JoePa molested a 10 year old in a shower? NO

    Did JoePa witness a 10 year old being molested in a shower? NO

    If he witnessed it – thats different. What happened was a third party statement. Witnessed by a GA. Against a former employee. And he reported it. Just because you think he should have done more – doesn’t make you right.

  137. Deb says: Nov 9, 2011 8:22 PM

    @187onSandusky …

    Yes, from what grilledjesus posted, apparently Paterno at least knew the incident took place in the showers. And that’s more than enough for him to have understood the gravity of the situation. Apparently my original criticism of Coach Paterno was accurate. I was just afraid I had rushed to judgment without knowing all the facts, and wanted to be sure Paterno comprehended the situation.

    You just hate to believe someone so many have respected for so many years would turn a blind eye to a child rapist. I don’t understand the thinking in leaving a monster like that with ready access to children and making no effort to call the police. It’s just incomprehensible to me.

  138. Deb says: Nov 9, 2011 8:30 PM

    @stairwayto7 …

    I truly feel bad for you, but you need to get a grip on this thing. Public figures aren’t always who we think they are … or who we wish they were. They’re not gods. They’re human, with human failings. We can’t see what’s going on in their heads and their hearts. Just because they do a great job coaching our favorite football team for 50 years doesn’t mean they can’t have screwed-up priorities or put their positions or their programs ahead of the lives and welfare of innocent kids.

    Never get that caught up in someone you don’t know.

  139. bunkmcnulty says: Nov 9, 2011 8:33 PM

    Srg, you keep changing your argument when I refute your comments. You said, how do we know he didn’t follow up? I simply replied because he should have admitted whatever he did to the grand jury. That was not in the report so we know he did nothing more. You were postulating a theory that he did follow up. You were wrong.

    Have you ever been a manager or an employer? You know given the gravity of these charges putting him on paid leave so it can be investigated without his presence is terribly fair. That takes into account his admirable record.

    You are so blue and white colored on this it is laughable.

    I have to say you are the epitome of what is wrong here. You act like Joe is the victim. Joe, who controls everything there needed to do more. Joe might not have done the assault, but let me ask you another question. If Joe follows up and something is done to Sandusky how many children could have been saved this despicable horror?

    You never answered your PSU affiliation either. Who has the agenda?

  140. frank booth says: Nov 9, 2011 9:14 PM

    drobe86 says:
    Nov 9, 2011 11:08 AM
    This crap isn’t Joepa’s fault… He did what he was supposed to do. People need to get a grip. And I don’t fault mcqueary either… His career was on the line, he told the higher ups. He’s not required to do anything further… They have proper protocol for a reason.
    ===================================
    Follow Drobe 86’s advice: If you spot a child rape, make sure you call your father first, and then the head football coach. Do not call the police.

    If you’re job is on the line and you are put in a difficult position, simply ignore any morals and ethics and follow the chain of the command.

    Drobe 86: If you are at work and have a child and he’s being raped by a colleague in the office next to you, make sure to report it to your superiors; your job may be on the line, and you need to follow the chain of command. Do not get involved yourself and do not involve the police. Your company would have proper protocols for a reason.

  141. 3octaveFart says: Nov 9, 2011 10:26 PM

    PSU President Spanier and Coach Joe Paterno were both just fired – effective immediately.

  142. hardheadcountryboy says: Nov 9, 2011 10:45 PM

    Good show. Now let the guilty pay and the cleanup begin.

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