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Updated: Tressel gets five-year show-cause as part of NCAA sanctions on Ohio State

Jim Tressel, E. Gordon Gee AP

As JT touched on earlier today, Ohio State was prepared to face the NCAA’s ruling today on multiple allegations of impermissible benefits to players.

That information was set to be released at 3 p.m. ET today. However, the Columbus Dispatch has reported that the football program will face the following penalties:

  • A one-year bowl ban after the 2012 season. Ohio State will also not be eligible for next year’s Big Ten championship game, a la USC and the Pac-12 CG this year.
  • A loss of  four more football scholarships over the next three years. Ohio State’s had already voluntarily given up five scholarships over that span.
  • An additional year of probation on top of OSU’s self-imposed two-year probation. Accordingly, any violations committed through the 2013 season could draw harsher sanctions.
  • A show-cause penalty will be handed to former head coach Jim Tressel for failing to report knowledge of impermissible benefits given to players before the 2010 season, which resulted in ineligible players participating during that season. The how-cause means any school that hires Tressel could be subject to sanctions by the NCAA.

The NCAA later released its statement on the findings from the Committee on Infractions. Most of it is already well-known information, but there is one new point of interest: The COI notes that Tressel had “at least four different opportunities to report” information of his athletes receiving benefits, but did not. The result is a show-cause, as mentioned above, for five years. Suffice to say, Tressel’s college coaching days are probably done.

You can also read the NCAA’s report HERE.

We are surprised and disappointed with the NCAA’s decision,” said AD Gene Smith in a statement.  “However, we have decided not to appeal the decision because we need to move forward as an institution.  We recognize that this is a challenging time in intercollegiate athletics.  Institutions of higher education must move to higher ground, and Ohio State embraces its leadership responsibilities and affirms its long-standing commitment to excellence in education and integrity in all it does.”

Ohio State self-imposed a reduction of five scholarships last month after a joint investigation between the school and the NCAA uncovered more violations involving a booster (Robert DiGeronimo) paying players cash at a charity event as well as overpaying them for a job he provided.

The new investigation came after Ohio State met in front of the COI in mid August over allegations of impermissible benefits that resulted in five ineligible players participating in the 2010 season. Ohio State vacated the 2010 season and its Big Ten championship in response to the NCAA’s NOA.

UPDATED 4:03 p.m. ET: New Buckeyes coach Urban Meyer has released the following statement:

“I agreed to become the Head Football Coach at The Ohio State University because Shelley and I are Ohio natives, I am a graduate of this wonderful institution and served in this program under a great coach. I understand the academic and athletic traditions here and will give great effort to continue those traditions.

“It is still my goal to hire excellent coaches, recruit great student-athletes who want to be a part of this program and to win on and off the field. The NCAA penalties will serve as a reminder that the college experience does not include the behavior that led to these penalties. I expect all of us to work hard to teach and develop young student-athletes to grow responsibly and to become productive citizens in their communities upon graduation.”

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  1. bigjdve says: Dec 20, 2011 2:07 PM

    I wonder how long the Bowl ban is for?

    Does anyone else think it a bit unfair that the school has to pay for the transgression of someone who isn’t there anymore, when they got rid of him when they found out?

  2. ortonwhiskeycrew says: Dec 20, 2011 2:08 PM

    Systematic violations across the program compared to 1 player at USC getting benefits, yet they get a minor slap compared to what USC got. A joke.

  3. Ben Kercheval says: Dec 20, 2011 2:10 PM

    bigjdve,

    The bowl ban is for one year, after the 2012 season.

  4. pr0phat69 says: Dec 20, 2011 2:10 PM

    @bigjdve

    They are making and example of him

  5. mydixienormus says: Dec 20, 2011 2:13 PM

    Urban Myer may want to “spend time with his family” after hearing this…

  6. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Dec 20, 2011 2:15 PM

    Now, we just need to have Gene Smith fired and we can put this entire ordeal behind us.

    I am fine with this. Take some pressure of Urban to make something happen next year.

    New precedent set however and everyone take note: The NCAA just implemented a bowl ban for the first time absent an LOIC.

    LOL at everyone for thinking we had them in our back pockets.

  7. 305fan says: Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM

    Not an OSU fan, but I think this is a fitting punishment. What happen to USC was way overboard. No reason why players that were not involved should have to pay the penalty. What they should do is wipe the individual players stats from NCAA history, and fine them a percentage of thier salary if they make it into the league.

  8. xtremesportsmaniac says: Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM

    Damn the show cause is nasty. Any school that hires Tressel could receive sanctions! Crazy Tressel goes from being so respected to basically blackballed from CFB.

  9. bigjdve says: Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM

    I don’t mind them making an example of Tressel. The cause penalty – good for them. That is brilliant, it will make it harder for him to get a job. Not that he cares right now as he is working in the NFL.

    However OSU is what I am concerned about, I am not the biggest fan of the Ole’ Buckeyes, however they got rid of Tressell a winning coach for them for committing these offenses and then they still get hammered. I am wondering why people think that fair.

  10. xtremesportsmaniac says: Dec 20, 2011 2:18 PM

    The bowl ban also means all current juniors can transfer without sitting a year.

  11. trojan33sc says: Dec 20, 2011 2:36 PM

    Good for them, now let’s see them perform like USC under those sanctions and still kick Arse !

  12. dkhhuey says: Dec 20, 2011 2:37 PM

    Pisses me off that we got handed a bowl ban next year, but in the big picture view, it is not all that much of a killer. The great news, we can finally move away from all the feigned outrage hurled at the Buckeyes over the last year! 90% of the garbage that came out was, in the end, all pitch fork and torch lies and overreaction to ‘anonymous’ sourced fabrications. The NCAA got to flex a bit of muscle which I assume was a bit of show! I get that!

    Now, on the bright side, the Buckeyes have hired a fantastic coach who is bringing in some major new talent, lining up a great staff, and will bring a nice case of whoop-ass to our programs.

  13. michiganhockey11 says: Dec 20, 2011 2:39 PM

    Wow,
    -4 more scholarships over then next 3 years giving them a total of 9 over 3 years…not much when you consider that’s 3/year for a roster that easiliy has more than 60-70 players on it.

    -another year of probation. So does that mean they’re on double-secret probation now? (cue Dean Wormer)

    Don’t let my ID fool you, I’m not a UM or a OSU fan and I think they got away with highway robbery here.

  14. jaggedmark says: Dec 20, 2011 2:39 PM

    Ohio State A.D. Gene Smith is awful. Gilligan could have handled the last 15 months better.

  15. arizonapetdoctor says: Dec 20, 2011 2:42 PM

    Fair penalties, especially the show cause for Tressel. I wish the NCAA would have some hindsight and decrease USCs scholarship reduction to make them more in line with the infractions. It will be interesting what happens to the U. You can add both tOSU and USCs violations and multiply by ten and barely reach what happened at Miami. Especially with Paul Dee at the helm, what a hypocritic tub of lard.

  16. killerstiller says: Dec 20, 2011 2:50 PM

    Fat, Drunk & Stupid is no way to go through life!

  17. michiganhockey11 says: Dec 20, 2011 2:54 PM

    Niedermeyer!!!!!!

    Dead

  18. dhlions says: Dec 20, 2011 2:55 PM

    As long as Meyer stays away from recruiting the same AK-47 totting morons he had at UF, he and tOSU will be fine.

  19. klownboy says: Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM

    Such bullcrap. Ohio State got off on this one.

    http://theklowntimes.net/2011/12/20/ohio-state-ruling-proves-ncaa-is-a-joke/

  20. dkhhuey says: Dec 20, 2011 3:01 PM

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!?!?! NO!!!

  21. burntorangehorn says: Dec 20, 2011 3:10 PM

    OSU and USC both skated by with lighter penalties than they should’ve had. An average of three scholarships per season is barely noticeable on a team that can have 85 scholarship players. All it does is cut down on the lowest-rated recruits they’ll take.

    Also note that they’ll be ineligible for a division (and therefore conference) championship that one season, although that’s a slap on the wrist.

  22. jsm08 says: Dec 20, 2011 3:15 PM

    probation and the tressel penalty would have been sufficient.

    kids gave up awards they earned for friggin tatoos. didn’t a host of former auburn players admit to getting paid to play? what ever happened with that?

    oh. that’s right. it got swept under the SEC rug.

  23. michiganhockey11 says: Dec 20, 2011 3:19 PM

    I’m a zit, get it?

  24. bertenheim says: Dec 20, 2011 3:20 PM

    And Gene Smith continues to draw a check, courtesy of the tax payers of Ohio.

  25. murraychadwick says: Dec 20, 2011 3:22 PM

    I think it’s a light punishment. I’d be ok with it if it were a 2 year bowl ban. With that being said, it’s more of a joke that Meyer has been allowed to recruit while Fickell is still running the team and also going to be on his staff next year. The rule is intended for new hired coaches to be able to recruit while the fired coach continues to coach through the bowl game. Meanwhile all the other schools have been in a dead period for recruiting while Meyer has been out busting his ass recruiting and Fickell coaching the team. That is a complete joke, but what else do you expect from the NCAA.

  26. dkhhuey says: Dec 20, 2011 3:29 PM

    Gee Murray – I’ll get the NCAA on the line and let them know you don’t feel it was enough!

    Frankly, no one really gives a sh!t what you, burntorange, or any other sanctimonious a$$ believes is a fair penalty. Had they hit us with a 10 year ban, taken away 60 scholarships, raped Brutus Buckeye, and flogged the entire OSU staff, you would STILL be on here pissing and moaning about it not being enough.

    The NCAA has ruled based on the facts of their investigation, not on what the pitchfork and torch, uninformed, not involved in the process, public is screaming for on public forums.

  27. bertenheim says: Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM

    OSU thrived on the impression that they were above board. The events of the past year have given them a black eye that should have resulted in a thorough house-cleaning. (See above.)

  28. blitz4848 says: Dec 20, 2011 3:32 PM

    The Ohio State’s real stupidity was NOT firing that idiot AD Smith!

  29. savocabol1 says: Dec 20, 2011 3:35 PM

    First off, anyone who thinks what Ohio State did gave them a competitive advantage is crazy.

    Second, I wonder why they waited so long to finally release the sanctions? Why couldn’t they just make a sentence during the season and have the bowl ban for this year?

    Why on Earth would you let a team participate in this year’s bowl game, but ban them next year?

    NCAA flaws are coming to light, each and everytime a program comes under fire.

  30. collegefanman says: Dec 20, 2011 3:38 PM

    Looks like the Big Ten lost money on this one!

  31. rendadoll says: Dec 20, 2011 3:42 PM

    The NCAA needs to add to their rules that “Any” Booster for a School that is caught enhancing the pocket’s of college players, shall suffer fines befitting the infractions, and they will be removed from Alum group status at the College they graduated from, and from the College Booster program.

    Until the NCAA Punishes the Rich Alum’s – Boosters who Think they can get away with it? Look at what just happened to Ohio State.

    The punishment fits the current NCAA rules and regs, but I do hope that one day they begin to punish, Boosters, and Agents who cross the line where College Players are concerned.

  32. bozosforall says: Dec 20, 2011 3:44 PM

    bigjdve says:
    Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM
    I don’t mind them making an example of Tressel. The cause penalty – good for them. That is brilliant, it will make it harder for him to get a job. Not that he cares right now as he is working in the NFL.

    However OSU is what I am concerned about, I am not the biggest fan of the Ole’ Buckeyes, however they got rid of Tressell a winning coach for them for committing these offenses and then they still get hammered. I am wondering why people think that fair.

    __
    It’s fair because the school allowed the big boosters to run free. That is why the school gets hammered.

  33. henryd3rd says: Dec 20, 2011 3:46 PM

    xtremesportsmaniac says: Dec 20, 2011 2:16 PM

    Damn the show cause is nasty. Any school that hires Tressel could receive sanctions! Crazy Tressel goes from being so respected to basically blackballed from CFB.

    The man was a hypocrite of the highest order and any school that decides to hire him must pay the piper for his transgressions at Ohio State. What I find most galling is how he imposed sanctions on those players for the following season; but allowed them to play in that bowl game. That show what kind of weasel he is, was and continues to be right now. he’s never owned up to any of his transgressions and still act like he was wronged.

    How Jean Smith keeps his job job beyond me. In the Marines the commanding officer is responsible for the acts of his subordinates. How Smith keeps his job just show the hypocrisy associated with big time college football. Its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$

  34. Deb says: Dec 20, 2011 3:46 PM

    So they’ll be banned from participating in a bowl for the 2013 season? Oh that makes perfect sense :roll: Tressel’s gone, Pryor’s gone, but let’s punish a bunch of people two years from now that had nothing to do with any of it.

    That is just as wrong as letting proxies serve prison terms.

  35. MadDog Rickles says: Dec 20, 2011 3:50 PM

    I’m sure a non-BCS school would probably get the death penalty, right?

  36. dkhhuey says: Dec 20, 2011 3:51 PM

    @Deb – there you go again, talking logical and all commonsensical again!

  37. frug says: Dec 20, 2011 4:02 PM

    So 9 scholarship loses, a 1 year bowl ban and 2 years of probation, not quite a slap on the wrist, but not too harsh either.

    The five year show cause penalty for Tressel though is a big deal, and (at least in my opinion), one of more the sensible decisions by the NCAA COI. A head coach repeatedly lying to the NCAA (and his employer for that matter) and playing kids he knew were ineligible is a major, and blatant, violation of the rules. Hopefully it will send a message to other coaches.

  38. dkhhuey says: Dec 20, 2011 4:07 PM

    @frug – what REALLY pisses me off and totally puzzles me is why he did it! At most, those players would have received a 2 – 3 game suspension for their minor rules violation! Two of those games were easy wins without them and the Miami game would have been a toss up! I just can’t comprehend why he went ‘all in’ with his reputation, his income, the university’s reputation, and the football program to cover that up! Yeesh.

  39. arizonapetdoctor says: Dec 20, 2011 4:07 PM

    @Deb, the same logic applies to USC (Carroll and Bush). If the NCAA had any common sense, they would have given a lighter penalty to both USC and tOSU, just for the simple fact that they need to give themselves room to crush Miami (since their infractions are worse than both schools combined multiplied by a factor of 5)

  40. greynraney says: Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM

    GO BLUE!

  41. polegojim says: Dec 20, 2011 4:33 PM

    Seems ‘unfair’ at first blush, but it is an ‘institutional’ punishment, meant to cost OSU money and some strained recruiting.

    The goal is that GMs ADs… guys like Gene Smith… will do their jobs and actually pay attention, as he should have been all along.

    All that said, it’s a perfect time to impose the sanctions. It will have minimal impact. OSU is reloading anyway and the Urban Meyer hire will mitigate some of the negative impact, by design.

    Can’t wait til OSU is back at full strength.
    We’ll be here. GO BLUE!

  42. uscatjerseyshore says: Dec 20, 2011 4:34 PM

    NCAA = Not Consistent At All.

    USC got 2 years of no bowls and a loss of 30 scholarships. tOSU got 1 year of no bowl games and a loss of 9 scholarships. Obviously a different standard was being used. Waiting to see what they do to UMiami, argueably worse than both USC and tOSU. Probably send folks to bed without their supper.

  43. 305fan says: Dec 20, 2011 4:36 PM

    arizonapetdoctor says:
    Dec 20, 2011 2:42 PM
    Fair penalties, especially the show cause for Tressel. I wish the NCAA would have some hindsight and decrease USCs scholarship reduction to make them more in line with the infractions. It will be interesting what happens to the U. You can add both tOSU and USCs violations and multiply by ten and barely reach what happened at Miami. Especially with Paul Dee at the helm, what a hypocritic tub of lard.

    ————————————————–

    Clearly you are an idiot. You take in what the media says and take it for fact. Paul Dee may be a jackass for his role in the USC sanctions, but to say that what happened at the U is ten times worse only proves you are as uneducated and wreckless as the Yahoo reporter that broke the story. Go back, do some research and you will find that over 90% of the accusations which came from a one billion dollar con artist are fabricated. The players involved served suspensions and paid back all impermissable funds (under $1500 total), along with a self imposed bowl ban on thier senior year. Will scholarships be revoked? Yes most definitly. The U has been cooperative with the NCAA since day one, unlike other schools.

  44. mikeljam says: Dec 20, 2011 4:36 PM

    There are a lot of issues here, most of them stem from the NCAA and Ohio States mishandling of the suspended players being allowed to play in the initial bowl game. If the NCAA was not concerned about the money and TV ratings they should not of allowed the players to play in the bowl game from last year. They are quick to hand out suspensions any other time on the selling of ones own items for gain, or taking money for not working a job that your suppose to have. They failed in thier job as bad as Ohio State did. Secondly USC has no one to blame for thier sanctions but themselves. The A D Mike Garrett did nothing but run interference and thumb his nose at the original investigation. If he had been more cooperative in doing the job he was suppose to do they would most likely not received the penalties that they did. That’s no one else’s fault but USCs. Next Ohio State should not of been as arrogant as they we’re thinking that they would not receive the bowl ban. The should of banned themselves this year just on the mistakes they made alone through out this investigation. The loss of scholarships is pretty fair considering what the crimes were. Let’s not forget all this was because players traded and sold thier own items. And the coach lied and kept quiet on several occasions when he should of came forward. As far as the cause penalty it’s not that much of a death sentence as you would think. If any school hires Tressell in the next 5 years all he has to do is sit out 5 games and a bowl appearance in the first year, there is no recruiting ban like Bruce Pearl got, there will be no loss of scholarships. The only thing loss will be that schools dignity which in college sports no longer means a whole lot. As Penn State proves just about ALL big time sports schools have something to hide. So Tressell can go to a losing program sit out a few games and possibly restore that program but just like Joepa once you lose your names credibility you will never be able to get it back. As for me as a Die hard Ohio state fan and alum this will be all water under the bridge as we move on to whatever school is next in line for thier 15 minutes of shame

  45. mydixienormus says: Dec 20, 2011 4:38 PM

    Mikeljam:

    Ever hear of an Enter Key? Might try using it once in a while…

    Do you really think someone is going to read a paragraph that long?

  46. arizonapetdoctor says: Dec 20, 2011 4:54 PM

    @305, unfortunately you calling me an idiot reflects more one yourself than my comment. Of course I am using the media report in my determination of what happenede at Miami. Short of you being the lawyer for your convicted booster, you are using the media to form your opinion as much as I am. The facts (as much as they can be called that with NCAA investigations) will all come out in due time. But once again, @305 you seem to be idiot that you are describing.

  47. Deb says: Dec 20, 2011 5:04 PM

    @arizonapetdoctor …

    I feel the same way about keeping USC out of the bowls. It’s not fair to the current players. Yes, people call these “institutional” punishments. But let’s be real. The infractions were made by people who are no longer with these programs–and in USC’s case, those people got off scot-free. So in reality, the NCAA is punishing people who didn’t commit any infractions. Calling them institutional punishments is just a nice way of saying you’re making Phillip pay for the window Peter broke.

    If the infractions are serious enough–meaning pay for play or betting on games, fire the coaches and administrators involved and suspend the students involved. Then bar them from leaping to other programs–including the pros–for one year. If the NFL wants to stay in good with their farm system, they’ll cooperate. But this long-term “show-cause” stuff is ridiculous. You can’t bar a man from the long-term pursuit of his profession by threatening potential employers. That’s so … Don Corleone. And at the end of the day, this is still about failing to report kids selling memorabilia and getting free tattoos :roll:

  48. mikeljam says: Dec 20, 2011 5:06 PM

    Well I guess Dixie you must read it to realize that I didn’t hit an enter key.
    I’m sooo sorry to offend a person as clever as yourself.

    I will try to remember that from now on when I make a post from my phone.

  49. dkhhuey says: Dec 20, 2011 5:09 PM

    @pole – you guys get to be our bowl game next year!!! Strap it up tight because it is going to be a dosey!!!

    @mike – the only problem with OSU banning itself from a bowl appearance this year would have been the NCAA’s need to add on to that and ban us next year as well. I liked the gamble and I think it pays out because the team gets to practice throughout while Urban gets to recruit the entire time.

  50. mnvikes7897 says: Dec 20, 2011 5:26 PM

    NCAA = douche bags. Hypocrites.

  51. florida727 says: Dec 20, 2011 5:37 PM

    Simple solution to punish the university without punishing the players that played no part in the infractions…

    Play the bowl game, the money goes to a nationally-recognized charity (Jimmy V. Fund for cancer research?).

    End result: costs the university money (actually a lot of it), allows the players to enjoy the bowl game experience.

    End of problem…

  52. uscatjerseyshore says: Dec 20, 2011 6:13 PM

    mikeljam

    So you’re saying that USC got penalized excessively because the AD at the time, Mike Garrett stonewalled the NCAA investigation and additionally was uncooperative and arrogant.

    So basically Jim Tressel lying and covering up what happened for over a year while the AD and Gee, the OSU president stood behind him warrants a significantly smaller penalty.

    Meanwhile Garrett is gone from USC. His replacement Pat Hayden asked the NCAA to reconsider the sanctions but the NCAA apparently felt the original penalties as justified so they kept the 2 year ban and loss of 30 scholarship penalty intact.

    USC got lucky when Pete Carroll left for the NFL, athletic director Mike Garrett resigned and president Steve Sample retired, relieving the university from the a decision of firing an immensely popular coach, a former Heisman Trophy winning athletic director and the most popular president in school history — and the Trojans still were slapped with significant sanctions that far exceed tOSU. That case was about an assistant coach whom the NCAA says knew or should’ve known about an ineligible player.

    Smith and Gee remain and tOSU only lost 9 scholarships.

    Again NCAA = Not Consistent At All

  53. 10of14 says: Dec 20, 2011 7:57 PM

    Hey Buckye fans, you should kiss Gene Smith’s balls…he saved you from the USC sanctions. If you did your homework or know anyone on the NCAA staff, you would understand that Smith is the golden boy with the NCAA. He has been and continues to be a top dog on the board and committees and even helped conduct annual performance reviews for the late NCAA president Brand. You are NOT going to hammer the guy who hel
    S sign your bonus. Dah!!

  54. supremeomega says: Dec 20, 2011 8:26 PM

    Quit crying USC. Not the same thing at all. You can’t go like Nick Nolte on Blue Chips and have anyone get a six figure payout because they are not an amateur when they are on payroll. Be angry at Reggie Bush not the NCAA.

    The tattoos and smaller benefits are bad and deserved punishment but giving a guy 3-4 hundred bucks as opposed to a house is not the same.
    The sanctions are fair I actually expected more scholarship losses…With Urb and Miller being a Jr. they will make a serious run at a title in 2013

    No one will get the death penalty again…SMU had the president and state governor directly involved an literally had an 7 figure payroll. However, Miami will set a new standard for whatever the worst sanctions you can get without being killed. Perhaps the life support penalty is a good name.

  55. dietrich43 says: Dec 20, 2011 8:51 PM

    Gene Smith! Dead! He needs gone, yesterday.

    Tressel had more than 4 chances to report the… reports about the players. He had a chance every freaking day! I have no problem with his 5 year ban.

    Just like with USC, they are punishing kids, coaches, alum, etc. who had nothing to do with the infractions.

    I bet if Pryor had offered to give the NCAA a cut of his deal, they would have been okay with it! That’s all they’re trying to protect – their big, fat bank account.

  56. Deb says: Dec 20, 2011 8:58 PM

    @florida727 …

    That’s a pretty good compromise suggestion if the NCAA is dead set on hitting the institution. The problem is that the conference won’t let it happen. If USC or OSU is barred from a bowl, that means another school in the conference can play. So the $$$$ will still go to the conference–revenues are divided in those conferences. If you donate the money to charity, the conference loses. They’ll never stand for it. And when I say “they,” I’m including our SEC as well.

  57. frug says: Dec 20, 2011 10:29 PM

    Everyone who is comparing this to the USC ruling needs to remember that the reason that USC’s sanctions were so harsh is because there were parallel (and even more blatant) violations in the MBB program.

  58. uscatjerseyshore says: Dec 20, 2011 10:56 PM

    Deb,

    While another conference team may get an invite its lame when the other conference team isn’t deserving. In yet another example of the NCAA’s lack of consistency in applying rules the NCAA approved UCLA’s request for a bowl bid. With a losing record of 6-7, UCLA was ineligible to play in a bowl game. Under NCAA rules, teams with losing records are ineligible for bowl berths unless a waiver is granted.

    It will be interesting to see the bowl game attendance and revenue derived for 2 teams that fired their respective coaches mid season because they were not competitive.

  59. Deb says: Dec 20, 2011 11:06 PM

    @uscatjerseyshore …

    That’s just pitiful. This whole thing is so messed up.

  60. uscatjerseyshore says: Dec 20, 2011 11:21 PM

    Frug,

    While there may have been parallel violations in the MBB program (again involving a single player) the USC MBB program got a comparative slap on the wrist compared to the sanctions imposed on the Football program. This is not to say that the NCAA sanctions on USC were incorrect, the point is tOSU sanctions were inconsistent to what the NCAA imposed on USC. tOSU had multiple years and multiple players involved along with the head coach of the program who had multiple opportunities to report what was occurring but elected not to do so. Standing by to see what the NCAA does with UMiami.

  61. dkhhuey says: Dec 21, 2011 9:30 AM

    @usc – I know this is hard for you to understand but the difference between USC and OSU is vast. OSU worked with the NCAA the entire time where USC fought, stalled, and obstructive the investigation the entire time. The total benefits for the players at OSU was less than $5,000 where they were well in the hundreds of thousands at USC. You also had recruiting violations against the basketball team during the same period, which I believe were in the major violation category where OSU did not. Tressel lied and covered up the minor violations and that is what brought in the big sanctions and well deserved.

    You can certainly argue that the sanctions levied against USC were too harsh but to attempt to grade them based on what OSU got is flawed logic at best

  62. dkhhuey says: Dec 21, 2011 9:51 AM

    I found this GREAT article outlining all of the charges against most of the schools that are currently in hot water.

    @usc – according to the article, USC did manage to cooperate more than they were depicted so if I were able to delete that reference from my last post – I would have. Instead, please accept my ‘cyber’ delete instead!

    Here is the link:

    http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2011/09/tbbc-rewind-compare-and-contrast-ncaa-allegations/#more-17867

  63. jtdesan says: Dec 21, 2011 10:12 AM

    Does anyone care to explain to me how and why there is an NCAA? I’m serious.

    I realize there has to be regulation, rules etc but it seems to me they have too much power. No one can challenge them and they answer to no one.

    Who are they? How do they get these jobs? Why would the Universaties want to create or be a part of this Dictatorship? Why can’t each Conference police themselves?

    I agree with most… kids that had nothing to do with these infractions get punished. It’s just plain wrong and the idiot AD doesn’t even fight for the kids or the Coaches. He just accepts it and kisses up to the NCAA so that they don’t make him quit.

    What would happen if the NCAA said ” no football for 30 years” There’s nothing anyone could do, could they? Power corrupts and the NCAA has too much power.

  64. polegojim says: Dec 21, 2011 10:41 AM

    @dk – yes, it will be. The fact that the game is in Columbus makes it even better…
    Nov 24 – The Shoe and Tatoo Bowl

    @jt – but that’s exactly the point many are missing.
    The punishment is designed to affect recruiting, and perhaps even transfers for kids who want to showcase and enjoy bowl play before their college days are up.
    About AD Smith……..I TOTALLY agree. I still don’t get HOW he’s still around. That’s a complete travesty.

    @brownstown – you still out there?
    4770 = the number of days it would take Ohio to catch Michigan and tie the series…IF Ohio won each and every year.
    3285 = the longest streak of consecutive wins in the rivalry… 9 years straight by Michigan. You ‘missed it by… that much’.

  65. arizonapetdoctor says: Dec 21, 2011 11:09 AM

    Thank you @dkhhuey for the link to the article, it was very informative. I think as fans (myself included) it is easy to believe that either there is a huge media conspiracy aimed at our favorite program, or that the media is giving a free pass to programs that we do not follow. The NCAA reports and the university’s published responses give the most comprehensive synopsis of the individual cases. At the end of the day, these athletes know that they are not allowed to receive discounts, sell merchandise, allow their parents to obtain financial benefits based on their college achievements (while they are in college). Right or wrong, these are the rules of the game that they accept to abide by when agreeing to their scholarships. An interesting question would be if they are subject to the same stipulations if they paid their own tuition and received no financial aid…..

  66. dkhhuey says: Dec 21, 2011 11:21 AM

    @pole – you actually missed it didn’t you? If my memory serves me correct, before helmets, you beat us the first 18 years we had a football team! You got a massive head start in the series but we are quickly catching up!!! I believe Urban will help out in that chase as well!!! The Shoe will be the location for the Tat5-Bowl baby!!! I am VERY optimistic that I will be in the stands that day! I haven’t experienced a live visit to The Game since I moved out here to Scottsdale! Prior to that, I didn’t miss attending it for over 20 years. Spent many a drunken weekend at the Holidome there in AA!!!

    @AZ – you’re welcome!!! I think it is the best article I’ve found about these scandals. Where are you at in AZ? If you haven’t found it yet, American Junkie is an alumni bar and it an AWESOME location to watch Buckeye games!!!

  67. billcodner says: Dec 21, 2011 12:37 PM

    Tressel was a crooked coach who deserves to be pitched out of college football. I agree with the punishment but it should have been far harsher in that Ohio State lost complete Institutional Control. Also, if the good folks at Ohio State have a grain of brains, they will fire Smith and start looking for a new coach since Meyer turned UF into the Hood of the SEC and left them a total shambles and skeleton of what they were. Meyer will not clean up the infestation in Columbus, Ohio. He’s also a hypocrite in that he’s a holier than thou if you ever listened to him on ESPN. He said he didn’t like what was going on in college football while trying to convey that he was never guilty of anything and exempt from criticism.

  68. CBFAN says: Dec 21, 2011 12:52 PM

    4770 = the number of days it would take Ohio to catch Michigan and tie the series…
    ________________________________

    Really? I did not even know that Ohio played Michigan, maybe you schedule some MAC teams earlier in the year but did not know that you played them that many times.

  69. thekatman says: Dec 21, 2011 1:35 PM

    What OSU got was not punishment, but a slight slap on the wrist. Urban(e) Meyer would not have taken the “dream job” if the NCAA were to hand donw a stiffer set of penalties…. goes to show you the NCAA isn’t about fairness and being reasonable and prudent. Just joke, and that’s sad.

  70. gators56 says: Dec 21, 2011 2:40 PM

    Just Deserts for URBAN LIAR! His short term options have been hacked away. He can either fake some more personal issues or stick it out long term.

    I’m betting on some more fiction stories from old URB!

  71. brutusbuckeye2011 says: Dec 21, 2011 5:02 PM

    @ All those who say tOSU was not penalized enough:
    For the record, the penalties tOSU received were in fact stronger than other universities for similar violations. It is the first time a school has been banned from bowl play without a lack of institutional control finding.

  72. cfbfaninbadnfltown says: Dec 24, 2011 9:36 PM

    So does this mean Butch Davis is banned for life?

  73. couldntthinkofaname says: Dec 25, 2011 9:03 PM

    bigjdve says: Dec 20, 2011 2:07 PM

    I wonder how long the Bowl ban is for?

    Does anyone else think it a bit unfair that the school has to pay for the transgression of someone who isn’t there anymore, when they got rid of him when they found out?

    _____________

    I bet it didn’t bother you OSU fans when any other school got nailed. Now that it’s YOU, oh no! Then again, OSU fans are the same ones who defended Tressel by comparing him to a father trying to “take care of his children.”

  74. dkhhuey says: Dec 25, 2011 10:14 PM

    @could – congrats – you have won the Christmas Day award for this dumbest, most incomprehensible, babbling comment of the day! You’re in the running for the month and year awards as well.

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