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When it comes to the current system to determine a national champion in major college football, there appears to be just one certainty: come 2014, after the current BcS cycle ends, the postseason will look vastly different than it has for the past decade-plus.

What that look will be remains to be seen, although it will very likely involve what would technically be called a “plus-one” format, but in reality is merely a four-team playoff.  If one of the power conferences gets its way, any playoff system will have a very local flavor to it.

Citing conference sources, the Chicago Tribune‘s Teddy Greenstein reported Monday evening that the Big Ten has discussed a plan that entails taking the top four teams from the BcS bowl pool and, in a twist, have the two semifinal games played on the campus of the higher seed.  Commissioner Jim Delany would not confirm to Greenstein that such discussion has taken place, but Northwestern athletic director Jim Phillips hinted that something of significance has been kicked around.

“We have to listen to the fans; we cannot be tone-deaf,” Phillips said. “The Big Ten is open and curious. …

“There has been a lot of bantering and rhetoric, but no one has come up with a formal plan.”

Rightly so, the Big Ten has caught a lot of flack for some of the decisions they have made in the recent past — “Leaders” and “Legends”, anyone — but on-campus postseason games would be a home run of a proposal, regardless of what the conference’s real motive is behind it.

Given the lag in attendance for BcS bowls in recent years, suggesting the games be played at the home stadiums of higher seeds takes on the look of a no-brainer proposal.  Last season, for example, the top four teams in the final BcS standings prior to the start of bowl season were, from No. 1 through No. 4, LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma State and Stanford.  If the Big Ten’s idea was in place for the 2011 season, the Cardinal would’ve traveled to Baton Rouge to take on the Tigers, while the Tide would’ve hosted the Cowboys in Tuscaloosa.

The title game, like the Super Bowl the Tribune notes, would then be bid out to a host city.

Perhaps the most interesting aspect of on-campus playoff games would be a team from the SEC being forced to travel to Ann Arbor, Mich., or Columbus, Ohio, in late December or early January.  The fact that playing in an open-air stadium in Midwestern winter weather would be a very real possibility could lead to push-back from some conference if the Big Ten’s idea were to come up for a vote, as would dissent from current BcS bowls losing out on marquee games.

Speaking of timing, Delany said there could be a change in when the major bowl games/playoffs would be played.  Alabama’s win over LSU in the BcS title game was played Jan. 9, nearly six weeks after the conference championship games had been played.  That game was one of the lowest-rated in the BcS era, and not all of that dip could be attributed to it being a rematch or televised on cable.

“There is a very strong sense that we have missed the boat and are playing games too late,” Delany told the paper. “Students are back in class, people are back at work.”

While 2013 is the final year of the current BcS cycle, it’s expected that a new system for crowning a national champion — whether it utilizes the BcS or not — is expected to be announced perhaps as early as this coming fall.

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  1. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 6:47 PM

    Looks like we’re finally getting somewhere in the quest for playoffs. But the Big 10 aren’t the Big Deciders, so a lot of discussion involving all the conferences will have to take place before anything is decided. Given the money involved in the bowl system, I’d be surprised if they’d be willing to scuttle the bowls in favor of on-campus playoffs.

    I’m not surprised the Big 10 wants on-campus games–anything to create an artificial advantage over the SEC. If you can’t beat them on a neutral field, try forcing them to play in ice and snow where they don’t usually compete. Then again, before you get home-field advantage in those games, you have to outrank the SEC and Pac 12 in the polls. As you point out, that wouldn’t have happened with the top four this season. :)

    Yes, the championship game should be played closer to the season’s end. If we have playoffs instead of irrelevant bowl games, there would be a logical progression from the final game of the regular season through the tournament to the championship, with games every week.

  2. vanmorrissey says: Feb 6, 2012 7:01 PM

    They’d guarantee sellouts from the host teams, would not have to travel and all that garbage that goes with it, it would really help the host team fans. Higher seed, that’s the way it goes in the NFL, hosts playoff games.

  3. watchfullhose says: Feb 6, 2012 7:04 PM

    If you can’t beat them on a neutral field, in your opponents back yard.

    Fixed that for ya deb.

  4. deadeye says: Feb 6, 2012 7:16 PM

    A few years ago it was the SEC and ACC trying to be forward thinking by suggesting a plus one format (4 team playoff). That got shot down by all the other conferences.

    Now it looks like the BIG10 either has, or is beginning to, change it’s mind about a playoff system. And I, for one, commend this forward thinking change of heart. Use home games to ensure sellouts for the first round of playoffs. It would still allow the major bowls to be utilized for championship games. Push the whole process into December with a New Year’s Day Championship.

    Yes, NCAA football is big business. It always has been. But now finally, it looks like the big business is trying to listen to it’s market to determine the changes needed to keep it popular. This move to a playoff system should have happened 20 years ago, but better late than never!

  5. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 7:30 PM

    @watchfullhose …

    Oooh, I knew that line would make some Big 10 tails stand up and point ;)

  6. buckeye1nation says: Feb 6, 2012 7:35 PM

    Deb says:If you can’t beat them on a neutral field, try forcing them to play in ice and snow where they don’t usually compete.
    _________________

    Seriously Deb? Look at the bowls that are guaranteed match-ups of SEC/B1G. Cap 1 Bowl (Orlando) Outback Bowl (Tampa). Unless I’m mistaken both of those cities are in the SOUTH. This year, UF and Ohio State played in the Gator Bowl (Jacksonville). I would consider these neutral sights only in the sense that none of the teams play their home games at these locations.

    As far as playing conditions in which “they don’t usually compete”, how many B1g teams play in 70-75 degree weather past the first 3-4 games of the season?

  7. buckeye1nation says: Feb 6, 2012 7:38 PM

    Deb says:Oooh, I knew that line would make some Big 10 tails stand up and point.
    ——————————

    This is exactly why so many people dislike SEC fans. You can’t win with class and dignity, you always have to get your cheap shots in.

  8. buckeye1nation says: Feb 6, 2012 7:44 PM

    @Deb, On a lighter note, I know you are a Bama fan but as a Mizzou alum you should be very excited about the prospect of Maty Mauk throwing to DGB for the next few years..

  9. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 7:56 PM

    buckeye1nation …

    Let me repeat a question I asked on another thread …

    When they performed your humorectomy, did they enter through the rectum?

    Ouch! :shock:

    Lighten up, baby. I’m just joking around. We’re not playing a game here for me to win with class and dignity. It is possible to have fun with rival fans on a football blog … at least the ones who don’t have sticks up their backsides. When my teams win, I say nice things about the opponents. When they lose, I say nice things about the opponents. That, to me, is winning and losing class and dignity. I take serious issues seriously. But right now, folks are just talking. And in the end, these conferences will wind up doing what’s most profitable. I just hope the result is a playoff tournament, no matter where the games are hosted.

    Yes, I’m well aware that bowl games are usually played in the South or Southwest. I’m sure New York or Chicago would create a bowl if they thought staging an outdoor sporting even in late December would be a profitable use of their tourism budget.

  10. BrownsTown says: Feb 6, 2012 7:56 PM

    Deb,

    I thought we we talking about football here. Silly me.

    Football players wouldn’t have a problem with this. Soft, track athletes playing glorified two-hand-touch might.

    Maybe Nike or UnderArmour can start a line of performance mittens just for the SEC.

  11. thraiderskin says: Feb 6, 2012 7:58 PM

    That’s because like until we have a playoff system, we will never actually know. I do know this, football is designed to be affected by all types of weather and simple rain doesn’t cut it, in fact I bet most northern teams would laugh at rain even being considered inclimate.

  12. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 7:58 PM

    @buckeye1nation …

    Now you go lighter … after I post about the stick up your backside … sigh.

    Yes, I’m thrilled for Mizzou. It’s going to be weird having Mizzou in the SEC, and I hate that Bama plays them next year :( But we won’t have to meet often since they’re in the Eastern Division.

  13. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 8:01 PM

    BrownsTown …

    The SEC kids playing in the NFL don’t seem to have any problem, so I expect we’ll manage … on the rare occasion the Big 10 teams have home-field advantage :D

  14. buckeye1nation says: Feb 6, 2012 8:07 PM

    The NFL, which is the royalty of American sports, sees the value of home field advantage to teams with better records. And they also see a value in having an outdoor sporting event in a northern city with an open air stadium in winter. See Super Bowl XLVIII (is that the correct Roman Numeral?)

    And Yankee Stadium does have a bowl game.

  15. thraiderskin says: Feb 6, 2012 8:08 PM

    I note those game are in the early fall, like in the first 2-3 games? Of course our weather during those time are inclimate by SEC standards.

  16. buckeye1nation says: Feb 6, 2012 8:08 PM

    @ Deb. I actually posted that before I saw your comment..

  17. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 8:15 PM

    Hey, I’m excited about the New York Super Bowl. But then … I’m a diehard Steelers fan, so on the pro side, bad weather works for me :D

    That’s the correct Roman Numeral if it’s the year after next.

    What bowl is played at Yankee Stadium? Never mind … I don’t watch the bowls anyway. The whole system makes no sense to me. What is the purpose of playing some irrelevant game after the season is over? Sometimes I don’t even watch the title game. But I never miss a second of the NFL playoffs–even if the Steelers are eliminated. Playoffs have a purpose. If college had playoffs, I’d watch every game.

  18. goblue714 says: Feb 6, 2012 8:15 PM

    Their should already be a home field playoff scenario in college football. You know whats gonna happen, the sec will cry because they’ll lose their regional advantage. So lsu will play osu at ford field, that way the elements won’t hurt poor southern teams.

  19. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 8:21 PM

    @buckeye1nation …

    I hope we can all clown around this off season. No lockouts. No tree poisonings. No school scandals. No player controversies. Just a nice, mellow off season :)

  20. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 8:24 PM

    goblue714 …

    LSU wouldn’t have needed home field advantage to take you guys apart. They had one of the best secondaries I’ve ever seen in college ball.

    If I go to Oklahoma State, can I major in Delusional Thinking, too?
    :D

    Gosh, this is fun, but I have to go …

  21. goblue714 says: Feb 6, 2012 8:39 PM

    Deb now you’re a lsu fan? What kind of fan are you…oh yeah the bandwagon kind. If Michigan goes undefeated next year are you gonna change your name to “goblue deb”?

  22. buckeye1nation says: Feb 6, 2012 8:40 PM

    Couldn’t agree more Deb. Now if the Bucs can just hire an decent OC and DC I will be a happy man..

  23. polegojim says: Feb 6, 2012 8:41 PM

    I’m all-for ANYTHING that rhymes with PLAYOFFS in college football.

    But I guess we in the B1G will have to level the playing field, cuz SEC teams aren’t accustomed to real football conditions. It’s to be expected.

    Should we provide each SEC player with a heated parka and hot chocolate with PLENTY of marshmallows?

    We’re a hospitable group and will do whatever is needed so they’ll show up with no excuses.

  24. dkhhuey says: Feb 6, 2012 9:07 PM

    NO!

  25. coolhorn46 says: Feb 6, 2012 9:22 PM

    The idea of some kind of playoff sits well with me. The plus one format isn’t the best idea since white bread, but it beats what we have now.

    The idea of playing the semifinal games at the home stadium of the two highest-ranked teams isn’t so bad. Contrary to popular belief, most southern, southwestern, and lower midwest teams aren’t put off by a little cold weather. If current trends hold, the southern and southwestern teams won’t be traveling north all that much anyway.

    If UT can find a serviceable quarterback, we’ll soon be back in the conversation concerning championships, and if your favorite team has to travel to Austin, trust me on this…you’ll have a great time, no matter what the final score is.

  26. mrslay1 says: Feb 6, 2012 9:42 PM

    The only way playoffs in college will work is on a netrual field. I think they should all be played in dome stadiums. The class northern pro teams have dome stadiums now. This is not pro where the team with the best record or division record gets home field. And nobody wants to go set in 20 degree weather or rain where the best team many times don’t win.
    The college polls will still be run by the human element which will never be fair. That of coarse will allow the human element to control the place games are played. These destinations will have to be determaned before the seasons start 2 or 3 years like the super bowl. This will ensure no team, conference or program will have a unfair advantage. You can see the $ signs in the b1g eyes with this idea and a way to gain advantange.

    Example: pokie state has whined and cryed like babies for not being GIVEN a chance they didn’t deserve. They will say right now they would have loved to go to BAMA and play in a playoff. But of coarse after getting their butts whipped they would then go back home crying because they had to play at their house so it wasn’t fair. People like this have to be stopped before they can find a way to cry foul. This playoff system will only work for the top 4 teams anyway as someone like pokie state will cry if they come in 5 or 6 that someone didn’t vote right which would be in their favor and GIVE them what they want. But back to the main point, dome stadiums in the north and south and let the cities bid on them. I can’t think any kid, coach, or fan base that wouldn’t like to play or attend in a game at Jerry world, or indy, or Detroit, or Atlanta or New Orleans. This way the money would be split equal as well.
    On another note, Split the games by north and south one year and east and west the next, just to keep it fair.

  27. jourdanalphonso says: Feb 6, 2012 9:51 PM

    as SEC Fan and southerner its funny how brash these B1G guys talk the Big Ten hasn’t won a National Championship since 2002 …its the SEC’s world your just living in it even if there’s a playoff system the SEC will win that way and probably end up with two teams in the National Championship again .

  28. rubbernilly says: Feb 6, 2012 10:11 PM

    When you think about it, there really isn’t a lot of conference manipulation in the B1G’s plan…

    If the SEC had proposed it, I think people would be all a-twitter over the notion, since the SEC has for the last few years held the top ranks. But with it coming from the B1G, it might gain some momentum… especially if the SEC figures they can continue their dominance.

    And, heck, they may be able to. If they continue convincing people that low scoring games in the SEC are from dominant defenses while low scoring games in the other conferences are from stagnant offenses, they’ll continue to get those higher seeds.

    (And that’s not a knock on the SEC… more of a knock on the whole Figure Skating-styled, glorified-beauty-point system we have now… ie: ranking)

    Think about it, though. What are the obstacles to a playoff that remain after you slap “student-athlete,” “hardship,” and “class work” upside the head (invalid excuses with Div II being Exhibit #1)?

    “Playoffs make the fans travel multiple times. Wah!”

    Playing games on the home field of the higher seed alleviates that. Or it should. What it might do is expose the underlying reason for the push-back, as touched on in this line from the article:

    as would dissent from current BcS bowls losing out on marquee games [create push back]

    In other words, we can’t have a playoff, because a playoff doesn’t resemble the bowl system. We can have any playoff system we want, so long as it looks exactly like what we’ve always had. The bowl system only makes fans travel once, so that’s the way we have to go.

    …until the B1G proposes that games be played in the stadiums of the higher seed.

    Burn the BCS down. At this point, I’m really not that friendly toward the bowls, either. They’ve had long enough to organize themselves into something like a playoff. At this point, if they’re standing in the way, they can be burned down with the BCS for all I care.

    Just get to a playoff. At least 8 teams. Every conference that is viable under NCAA rules (ie, minimum 8 teams) can produce a champion, and that conference champion can be involved in the tournament.

    Anything short of that and it all might as well be figure skating.

  29. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 10:54 PM

    @goblue714 …

    No, jackass, I’m honest. You lil boys should try it sometime, but I won’t hold my breath.

    You kids are always retching about other people being homers who can’t take off their team-colored glasses. But the truth is that I’ve always called ‘em like I see ‘em whether or not it favors my team. I’ve always been gracious about my team’s opponents–which the Ravens’ fans will tell you even if you dimwits are too dim to see it.

    Saying truthfully that LSU in 2011 had one of the best secondaries I’ve ever seen in college football doesn’t diminish Bama and certainly doesn’t mean I love Alabama any less. Acknowledging that Cam Newton is a heckuvan athlete doesn’t mean I hate Auburn any less than any other Tide fan. Dreading the day Ray Lewis and Ed Reed retire because I love the game and love what they bring to it doesn’t mean I don’t want my Steelers to CRUSH them on the field. Admiring Tom Brady’s skill and work ethic doesn’t mean I don’t hate the Pats. It’s called sportsmanship. And you are the last person on CFT I’d expect to understand it.

  30. dkhhuey says: Feb 6, 2012 11:01 PM

    YEA – let’s totally f@#$ up all that is great with college football! Why don’t we just scrape the entire season and all of the season ending bowl games, and start from day one with a 100 team playoff system! Throw all of the teams into a hat and have the first 100 names picked. To get the seedings, you have a different set of people throw darts at the drawn names and choose the brackets that way!

    Sorry, but if you’re going to f@#$ the season up, you might as well put in the stupidest method possible because it makes just as much sense as this idiotic idea.

  31. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 11:06 PM

    You know, it would be fun to be on this blog and joke around with the Big 10 men who can handle it–you know who you are. But some of you guys are so ridiculously bitter about the SEC’s recent titles that you can’t have any fun at all. You just have to whine and moan anytime the SEC is mentioned. Frankly, I’d be flat-out embarrassed to let fans of another conference know they’d gotten so far under my skin that I had to act like a little prick every time the subject of conferences came up. But … hey … it’s a pride thing.

    Looking forward to those playoffs. That snowy home-field advantage never proved much use to the Bills in the end … did it?

  32. sportsinhd says: Feb 6, 2012 11:12 PM

    The SEC was just awesome this year, I think there were four teams over .500 and Alabama beat two of them in the regular season! All bow down to the gods of football who reside in the Southland.

    The whole “home game” scenario was outlined in the “Death to the BCS” book that came out two years ago. The idea removes any of the crap about “fans” not being able to travel to games twice in two weeks (like the average “fan” can go to a game anyways, especially if you are a Big 10/Big 12/PAC 12 fan). It solves the problem of empty stadiums and teams having to shell out ludicrous amounts of money to buy seats for the honor of playing in whatever Insert Corporate Sponsor Here Bowl.

    It’s not about giving the Big 10 advantage, or the Big 12, or the SEC. It’s about rewarding teams for having a great regular season, and rewarding fans for supporting their teams during the season.

    And how is this an idiotic idea? Are the NFL Playoffs stupid? The BCS decided this year that the regular season only kind of matters. The NCAA could at least decide to make some of the bowls and a few games late in the year important again.

  33. sportsinhd says: Feb 6, 2012 11:18 PM

    Deb wrote:
    >Looking forward to those playoffs. That snowy home-field advantage never proved much use to the Bills in the end … did it?

    Of course it did. They won AFC Championship games at home. They couldn’t win on neutral sites, that was the problem. I know what you are trying to say, but of course it helped them, they got to the big game didn’t they? If the Spartans hosted a game and beat Florida because the conditions were bad the one game would be of use, regardless of what happened on the neutral site.

  34. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 11:21 PM

    @sportsinhd …

    Just to be clear, since you jackasses have no sense of humor, I have no problem with Alabama playing on-campus playoffs in Big 10 country. That idea isn’t idiotic. But your comment about “gods of football who reside in the Southland” was. And so was your comment about making some of the bowls relevant. Either you want on-campus playoffs or you want playoffs rotated among the existing bowls. You can’t have both. Apparently you’re not sure what you want–other than to bash the SEC. Feel better? :roll:

  35. sparty0n says: Feb 6, 2012 11:23 PM

    “We have to listen to the fans; we cannot be tone-deaf,” Phillips said.

    Yeah, like they did when we told them Legends and Leaders blows!

  36. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 11:25 PM

    @sportsinhd …

    That argument was made repeatedly when the Bills were winning those championships. But all the other AFC teams had to do was stop them from getting home-field advantage, then they wouldn’t have to worry about the road to the Super Bowl running through Buffalo. They couldn’t wrest home-field advantage from Buffalo because the Bills were the best team in the AFC during that era.

  37. Deb says: Feb 6, 2012 11:32 PM

    So, sportsinhd, is that why you guys want on-campus playoff games? Because you feel like the northern-based teams would have a better chance of beating superior players if you get some help from the elements? You think you need some divine intervention to make it back to the top of the polls at season’s end?

    Wonder if that’s why the Big 10 is suddenly so eager to discuss playoffs after flatly rejecting any suggestion of even a plus-one a couple of years ago.

    Hmmmm …

    Nite, fellas ;)

  38. dickroy says: Feb 7, 2012 8:54 AM

    @Deb

    Wow Deb! Thought I might catch you on here. I enjoyed your rounds with the Big Ten boys. You represented yourself and the SEC very well.
    As I usually do, I find us very like minded.
    I too want college playoffs and find Bowl games useless. I never watch any of them. The SEC is the superior conference and there are so many Big ten fans that just can’t stand it. Some can’t even admit it and get very obnoxious about it.

    I read your post everytime I see one and I know how respectful you are about giving credit where credit is do, even to teams you hate. I love some of the lines and come backs that you use when you reply to some of the idiots that call you out.
    Oh and by the way we also have the same blood type. Black & Gold!!!

  39. takingbovadasmoney says: Feb 7, 2012 9:10 AM

    Delaney’s first ever good idea. Letting the top two seeds have home field in a four team playoff is an excellent idea. The regular season will have increased importance with home field at stake. I see some SEC fans complaining about this, but if the SEC is the best conference they will gave home field advantage. If not, then we will see how well they travel during the holidays.

  40. dickroy says: Feb 7, 2012 9:38 AM

    I don’t care how they do it. I just want to see a real playoff system. I am an SEC fan (Tennessee fan) and the SEC is by far the best conference. That cannot be disaproved by anyone in reality.
    I will not complain about where any games are played, at home field advantage sights or rotating bowl sights. I don’t care if they are played at the moon colonies, as long as the championship is decided on a playing field!
    Personally I would like to see at least an eight team playoff.

  41. dkhhuey says: Feb 7, 2012 9:53 AM

    @Deb

    Personally, my feelings toward the actually SEC, the teams and the players, are positive! I love watching the games because they are intense and there is a ton of action and thrills. It is obviously their time to shine and they are taking advantage of it and they have earned it! If the Big Ten teams are sick of the constant love fest they receive from the media, then they have the chance to do something about it by kicking their a$$ on the field! I think OSU has made the necessary steps to build a team worthy of the challenge.

    The one thing that thoroughly detracts from the SEC more than anything else is the ridiculous conference homerism that is constantly on display on college football blogs/boards throughout the Internet. I grow tired of every single topic, no matter what the initial subject matter, getting turned into an inane serious of ‘my entire conference is better than your team’ posts. I always get the feeling that if Rodney Dangerfield were still alive, he’d be the president of the SEC because the vast majority of SEC fans suffer from a gross lack of self confidence! You’re on top and shouldn’t have to be on boards constantly picking juvenile fights with anybody and everybody that doesn’t affiliate themselves with the SEC. It absolutely feels like every single person that displays this SEC conference homerism has a massive hidden resentment of anything outside of the south and that at any time, the civil war is going to break out again. I live, breathe, and bleed Scarlet and Gray and I pretty much don’t give a sh!t what happens to the other teams in the Big Ten – period!!! What the other teams do during the season and/or bowl games doesn’t matter to me one iota.

    Again, I’m not looking to start yet another conference jihad conversation, just stating my opinion!

  42. overratedgators says: Feb 7, 2012 11:58 AM

    polegojim: “Should we provide each SEC player with a heated parka and hot chocolate with PLENTY of marshmallows?”

    Not necessary if it’s the Gators. They get their fill of marshmallows during their non-conference and weak SEC East schedule.

  43. watchfullhose says: Feb 7, 2012 12:10 PM

    I automatically disregard any commenter that must qualify their statement with:

    “I’m an (insert SEC team) fan and the SEC is by-far the best conference, so….”

  44. thraiderskin says: Feb 7, 2012 12:22 PM

    If people can’t admit that the SEC is clearly the most dominating conference, I’m not sure where to go. I will always say, “things are as they are.” The SEC has won consecutive National titles going back 6 years. However, Big Ten aside, why shouldn’t Auburn have played for the national championship in Oregon, or Washington, or Colorado, hell northern California when they played Oregon last year? Why do teams designed to handle “real” inclimate weather have to play Track-Football National Championships?

  45. rubbernilly says: Feb 7, 2012 12:31 PM

    @Deb

    You’re clearly trolling, and that’s beneath you.

    With regard to this:
    [Do] you feel like the northern-based teams would have a better chance of beating superior players if you get some help from the elements?

    Outside of trolling, “superior” is a conclusion to be reached not a foundation to be declared, so let’s see about the rest of what you said.

    Players make the teams. Elements make the game. Southern teams are built for southern weather. Northern teams are built for northern weather. As football is played in both climates, what “athletes” are superior? Does a southern team get *less* help from the elements when they play in their home climate against a team built for cold-weather ball? Of course not.

    Like I said, football is played in both climates, so it seems only fair that post-season games would be, too. Northern teams have been traveling to warmer climates to play their bowl games forever… and probably paying a price for that, facing teams that were built for that climate. Why all of this worry now when there’s a chance that the odd SEC team might have to travel north?

    Is it because they might have to face superior athletes?

    See? That’s just trolling. The athletes might be superior to the northern climate (and northern game), but it would take playing the actual game to decide things.

  46. dickroy says: Feb 7, 2012 12:43 PM

    I’m an (insert Tennessee) fan and the SEC is by-far the best conference, so….”
    By all means disregard away!!

    Is anything false in my statement? I’m not downing any conference at all. There are some good teams in the Big Ten and in other conferences as well. There are just more in the SEC.

  47. Deb says: Feb 7, 2012 12:49 PM

    @rubbernilly …

    Did you see the winky face at the end of that post. Honey, I’m just playing around. You guys really do need to lighten up and catch the tongue-in-cheek nature of my posts. You’ll know when I’m being serious.

    As for trolling … my understanding is that a troll is someone who’s always going to a rival team’s threads just to make bitter comments. For instance, if I ran to every Auburn thread to make some vicious anti-Auburn post … the way a lot of Big 10 fans show up on every Alabama thread to make vicious anti-SEC/anti-Bama/anti-Southern posts. This thread involves all teams, so I’m not trolling. And I usually post positive comments about rival teams on their threads.

  48. crindal3000 says: Feb 7, 2012 1:12 PM

    higher seeds get home games just like in the NFL. It makes the most sense.

  49. Deb says: Feb 7, 2012 1:14 PM

    @dkhhuey …

    Football has a different history in the South, and that’s difficult to explain to outsiders. The North had NFL teams in the 30s. We didn’t have an NFL team until the late 60s. We didn’t have professional baseball or basketball teams until the last 60s. This was an extremely poor, largely agrarian region that had never fully recovered from the Civil War. It was ridiculed by the rest of the nation. All people had to sustain them during the Great Depression and the world wars was college football. The South excelled at college football and people took tremendous pride in that. They still do. Among my friends and family, my love for the NFL is rare.

    The rivalries within the SEC are intense. But where anyone else is concerned, it’s us against the world. It’s not resentment of anything outside the South. It’s pride–and self-defense. You didn’t grow up being ridiculed just because of your accent or where you happened to be born–things that had nothing to do with your individual character. And that’s still the garbage spewed at us. It’s no different than if a group of white guys consistently lost to a group of black guys and the best comeback they could manage was the N-word and a bunch of sick old stereotypes. It’s wrong. It’s vile. And it comes from a place of hideously bad sportsmanship.

    We can’t do anything about haters and their stereotypes. But we can support each other and take pride in our teams.

  50. Deb says: Feb 7, 2012 1:16 PM

    @dickroy …

    You’re the best. We got Haley!!!!! I’m so HAPPY!!!!! :D

  51. crindal3000 says: Feb 7, 2012 1:16 PM

    of course warm weather teams won’t to play in the scary cold, it could snow or something. maybe even be muddy or other scary things that warm weather teams fear, like not being able to work on their tans.

  52. dickroy says: Feb 7, 2012 1:31 PM

    @Deb

    Me too!!! I commented about it on the other side.

  53. stairwayto7 says: Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM

    Love the idea! Lets see how fast these southern schools are in 20 degree weather and snow! If they want to play in the NFL they need to get use to it and then NFL scouts can see how they really preform in outside elements!

  54. overratedgators says: Feb 7, 2012 4:40 PM

    Can we just get one thing straight here? The word is “inclement”, not “inclimate”.

  55. polegojim says: Feb 7, 2012 5:42 PM

    Deb says: “Because you feel like the northern-based teams would have a better chance of beating superior players if you get some help from the elements? You think you need some divine intervention to make it back to the top of the polls at season’s end?”
    ___________________________________

    ; ) NOW you understand me.

    Snow = the LEGAL 12th man on the field.

    I’ve always said, if we can’t beat em, snow on em. 220…221… while we get stronger.

  56. Deb says: Feb 7, 2012 9:40 PM

    @polegojim …

    LOL … half the Super Bowl winners are from mild-weather or Southern climates. I like our chances :D

  57. gamustangdude says: Feb 8, 2012 1:00 PM

    @ overratedgators

    That “weak SEC East schedule” went 2-1 this past bowl season against the Big 10. Kinda puts the “Weak SEC East divison” in perspective now, doesn’t it?

  58. polegojim says: Feb 8, 2012 3:10 PM

    @Deb – wait…. half is 50% right??? ; )

    I’m praying for a Leon Lett type freak ice storm.

  59. Deb says: Feb 8, 2012 5:46 PM

    @polegojim …

    All those guys talking about snow and ice have no idea what it’s like to train in Tuscaloosa during the summer. As bad as Florida gets, that place is a nightmare. I’ve lived in all kinds of weather, and that is the worst. It turns boys into men. I’m not too worried about anything they’ll face in December anywhere else.

    And our recruits haven’t complained about playing on northern teams in the NFL. A Yankee team just won the Super Bowl, but it was led by an SEC quarterback. Brett Favre seemed right at home on the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field. The record books tell me going from Southern Cal to Buffalo didn’t slow down O.J. Simpson. And I believe Georgia’s Matt Stafford is handling your Michigan weather just fine.

    Yep, half the Super Bowl winning teams hailed from warm climates … but then you factor in the other half. Super Bowls I, II, and III were won by Alabama quarterbacks. The Steelers won four Super Bowls with a quarterback from Louisiana Tech and star wideouts from Alabama A&M and Southern Cal.

    Nope … not worried at all :D

  60. gatorprof says: Feb 8, 2012 8:49 PM

    The BCS titles are not home games for the SEC…

    Bama beat LSU in the superdome…so much for home field advantage.

    Auburn smashed Oregon in Arizona…Pac 12 land, unfair advantage for Oregon.

    Bama smashed Texas in Rose bowl…truly neutral.

    Gators smashed Oak in Miami…while in state, not a Gator friendly environment.

    LSU smashed OSU in the Superdome…yes, unfair advantage for LSU.

    Gators smashed OSU in Zona…neutral.

    Regardless, it is good that a playoff system is being discussed. The ultimate outcome won’t likely be any different unless there are injuries. The SEC is just light years ahead of the other conferences talent wise.

  61. gamustangdude says: Feb 9, 2012 8:10 AM

    I honestly believe that the top Teams in the Big 10, PAC-12, and Big 12 can be as good as any team in the SEC. Michigan State beat the SEC runner up, though some will argue that Arkansas and South Carolina are better teams than UGA. However I don’t think the SEC as a whole are light years ahead of any conference. SEC Schools have won the last 6 BCS Titles However this only accounts for 4 schools; Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Auburn. I honestly believe that LSU and Alabama may be the only teams that could be considered significantly better than most schools. The rest of the SEC can lose to any team in the other conferences. Top to Bottom the SEC is strong, but the Big 12 is strong as well. Is the SEC better, we honestly don’t know because the deciding factor is not the teams at the top rather the middle and bottom teams, that’s where the majority of the debates will be. Maybe this year Mizzou and Texas A&M will help us better understand how “good” / “bad” the SEC really is compared to the Big 12. But regardless, I do believe that this year, the Big 12 and the SEC where the two best conferences, I just don’t think the SEC proved to be significantly better than the Big 12.

  62. eightysixisback says: Feb 10, 2012 9:50 AM

    Deb, not to try to argue but Stafford plays in a dome in michigan.

  63. Deb says: Feb 10, 2012 1:09 PM

    @eightysixisback …

    ROFL … oops, I forgot about that dome! But he does have to play Chicago and Green Bay once each season outdoors.

  64. normtide says: Feb 12, 2012 9:01 AM

    Funny, because the SEC’s style, run the ball, control the clock, and play defense, is exactly how you win in cold weather. The SEC does these things better than any league. The clod weather argument is all the B1G has left as an excuse. The fact is, the football is better in the south and west now. The best recruits, by far are in the south and west, while the old B1G recruiting hot bed, west PA and Ohio, are drying up. I am not saying the B1G can’t change and adapt, I am saying they will have to if they want regular success. I fully respect Mich St, but UGA was the 4th or maybe 5th best SEC team (LSU won the SEC, then Bama, ARK, and maybe USC). Right now, the SEC, BIG12, and the PAC are well ahead of the B1G, while the ACC has a ton of potential. Nobody can deny the best recruits are from sunny states, and the B1G has to accept that and adapt. The question is : Will the B1G rest on the “Legends & Leaders” of the football past, or are they willing to move into the football present. A strong B1G is great for the game, I hope things do change for them.

  65. goblue714 says: Feb 12, 2012 9:34 AM

    Cycles everyone cycles, sports like the weather changes all the time. Take for instance the big ten-ACC basketball challenge, no one ever thought the big ten could ever win it. 2 years in a row the big ten has won it now. I think everyone is hung up on the weather issue. I’m not I think it’s more of a regional advantage in my eyes, more or less the way the bowl system is for southern and west teams. A playoff would force southern and west coast teams and fans to travel, and take less burden off our fans who would love to see their teams play but not have to pay out ton of money to do so.

  66. goblue714 says: Feb 12, 2012 9:43 AM

    And this is assuming a northern team gets a home playoff game, your teams might get the home games. In that case i’ll complain about the unfair and bias ranking system. Either way i’ll complain and you’ll complain that I complain…..we all complain. In the mean time none of us have anything to do with how well a team does, we just watch the games.

  67. goblue714 says: Feb 12, 2012 9:51 AM

    @deb

    My lions lose those games every year lol, northern dome teams have issues winning outdoors.

  68. Deb says: Feb 12, 2012 4:22 PM

    @goblue714 …

    LOL … I wouldn’t want the Steelers in a dome unless every team played in a dome. Chicago and Green Bay definitely have the edge in your division.

    Can’t wait for that New York Super Bowl! The face value on this year’s tickets was $800-$1200, but few people got them for face value. Can you imagine spending $4000-$6000 for two tickets to wind up sitting in a blizzard? That will be hilarious. If they have weather, it will be the last Super Bowl in the elements.

  69. goblue714 says: Feb 12, 2012 4:42 PM

    I totally think having the superbowl outside in feb. Is absolutley ridiculous, and I hate the fact were a dome team. I believe playing outside in the playoffs in january at home Is a big advantage against warm weather teams. But again that’s just my opinion.

  70. gatorprof says: Feb 13, 2012 10:01 PM

    gamustangdude

    Re: “However I don’t think the SEC as a whole are light years ahead of any conference. SEC Schools have won the last 6 BCS Titles However this only accounts for 4 schools; Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Auburn.”

    Yes, 2 quick questions that may clarify things…

    1) How many conferences have won more than 2 titles since the BCS has been in existence?

    Answer: One. SEC has 8. Next in line is Big 12 with 2…every other conference has a max of 1.

    2) How many conferences have had more than 2 teams with a title?

    Answer: One. SEC has had 5 different teams win a BCS title. Next in line is Big 12 who has had 2 teams win titles.

    I don’t know how you define dominance, but data indicate that the SEC has owned the BCS era title wise.

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