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Perfect 10: UT’s Dodds doesn’t see need to expand Big 12

DeLoss Dodds AP

When Ben noted over the weekend that one unnamed member of the Big 12 was pushing hard against expanding the conference, it didn’t exactly take a rocket surgeon to deduce just who that unnamed member might be.

Thanks to DeLoss Dodds, we now have further evidence that Texas simply doesn’t want to mess with expansion.

In a conversation with Dennis Dodd of, the Big 12 commissioner UT athletic director confirmed that, yes, he really doesn’t feel the need to add members to the Big 12’s current roll.

I don’t think it needs to expand,” Dodds told the website. “It certainly can expand because there will be people that will want to be a part of it. That’s another good thing. …

“We could expand to some number. You name the number — 12, 14, 16. We could expand but the question is ‘do we need to expand?’ In my mind 10 is perfect because you play everybody in football and there is a double-round-robin in basketball.”

One of the “negatives” when it comes to a 10-school conference is that it can’t hold a league championship game and thus loses out on revenue most other leagues receive.  According to Dodds, and with a four-team playoff system looming not too far off on the horizon, the size of his school’s conference and the lack of a title game will actually serve as an advantage for the Big 12.

“When we get into whatever system we get in for a championship, I think those coaches that play in a conference championship are going to say ‘What in the world are we doing?'” Dodds asked rhetorically.

Of course, Dodds is referring to a high-ranked team from Conference X losing in a league title game to a lower-ranked opponent, thus potentially costing that conference a spot in what will be a very limited playoff field.

Dodds’ comments on expansion come a couple of weeks after a high-ranking Florida State official very publicly stated that the school should listen to overtures from the Big 12.  The AD attempted to tap the brakes on such speculation in the days after those comments from FSU’s board chairman, saying that the Seminoles are a long ways away in both distance and prospects of joining the conference.

Dodds also allowed that the Big 12 has held conversations with Notre Dame the past two years about housing the Irish’s Olympic sports — “They could put some football here,” Dodds added for ominous effect — as well as stating that he would be fine with a four-team playoff that consisted of the four highest-ranked teams or the four highest-ranked conference champions.

Interestingly, the Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC and, today, the Big East have all come out in favor of the conference champs model, leaving the SEC as the lone member of “The Big Six” publicly in favor of taking the four highest-ranked teams regardless of their standing as conference — or divisional — champs.  That 4-1 tally is, of course, pending an official, non-Texas stance on the part of the Big 12.

In the end, that — not the threat of expansion — might be the biggest piece news to emerge the past week or two, not only for the impact it would have on how a playoff field is filled, but for what it could do to a certain football program’s very staunch, pro-independent stance on conference affiliation.

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23 Responses to “Perfect 10: UT’s Dodds doesn’t see need to expand Big 12”
  1. thefiesty1 says: May 22, 2012 5:57 PM

    Your right, he thinks he’s in charge. The new commissioner needs to tell him to just shut the hell up. Tell him that Bebee is gone and move on.

  2. Deb says: May 22, 2012 6:16 PM

    So Dodds wants the Big 12 to remain the Big 10? Meanwhile, the Big 10 is the B1G with 12.

    This realignment stuff gets less confusing every day.

  3. mountaineer50415 says: May 22, 2012 6:22 PM

    Just as I said, his opinion is the best as far as Texas is concerned. However, there are nine others in the conference and I am sure they have the ability to speak. It will come down to what all ten teams want, not just Texas and or Oklahoma.
    It has nothing to do with anyone outside the conference.

  4. saints97 says: May 22, 2012 7:19 PM

    Mountaineer, you guys are about to find out what you’ve gotten yourself into really soon. The vote could be 9 to 1 in favor of expanding, but UT has to sign off on any decisions. They run that show, and will flex their muscle as soon as everyone has officially signed on.

    And is it any real surprise that Texas wants the shortest, easiest path to glory? That’s just how they roll.

  5. coolhorn says: May 22, 2012 7:34 PM

    If you take a look at this, UT, OU, and OSU all three are proponents of staying at ten. By the way, Dodds is not the only Big XII official to voice the thought. One last thing…the SEC last year was happy with their twelve teams, until they weren’t. The B1G two years ago was happy with their eleven teams, until they weren’t, and so for that matter was the PAC, until they weren’t. What Dodds and some others are saying are the things you say as a conference to keep from being hit by any nuisance lawsuits. Expect some different things to be said coming out of the Big XII meetings next month.

  6. Deb says: May 22, 2012 7:42 PM

    @coolhorn …

    If by the SEC, you mean average Joes and Janes like me … yeah, I was happy with 12 teams. I’d be happy now to go back to 12 teams. But SEC Commissioner Mike Slive has been interested in expanding for some time now. My guess is that expansion has long been in the minds of several SEC power brokers.

  7. hornsforever says: May 22, 2012 8:10 PM

    Deloss may be happy with the status quo (10 teams), most UT fans are not at least the ones in my home town, we want a CG whether the Horns are in it or not.

    Back in March I attend a lunch banquet where Deloss spoke and he did mention that ND was seriously considering joining the conference in everything but football…however, they would agree to play at least 3 games a season against Big 12 teams.

    This maybe the first step to ND eventually joining the Big 12 in football also.

  8. drummerhoff says: May 22, 2012 8:35 PM

    I’ve heard this song before … remember Slive saying “we are prepared to be a 13 team conference” … and weeks later adding the ‘other Tigers.
    Well, here we go again and mark my words, the Big 12 will expand; Dodds’ comments will be used as protection against legal action; and after Bowlsby adds 2 schools, he’ll remind everyone what a good partner Texas is by agreeing to expand for common good.
    Honestly, I’ve been following expansion since Miami was an indy and only the names of the schools change. This Dodds story is no different. The next story will be about Notre Dame being lured out.

  9. deucez2 says: May 22, 2012 9:01 PM

    I love how most people take these reports at face value. Dodds knows there is going to be further expansion. It’s coming whether he wants it or not. He has been courting ND for two years. That is directly in conflict with these reported comments. He also knows anything he says will be a lightening rod for media coverage. Could his comments be a smoke screen to pacify other conference commissioners (ACC, B1G)? It’s absolutely possible thats what he is doing while discussions are being had behind doors with potential new conference members. Dodds trying to hold back expansion is like trying to stop the growth of the Internet in the early 90’s. No matter how much perceived power he has in the B12, he is not all powerful.

  10. centexhorn says: May 22, 2012 9:17 PM

    Dear everybody,

    Please do not think he represents all Texas fans. Many of us hate this guy and think he’s motivated by greed and myopia alone. He’s getting old and senile and he needs to retire, because he’s not doing a very good job of doing what’s in Texas’s best interest anymore. He’s making us look bad and it’s unnecessary.

  11. Deb says: May 22, 2012 9:54 PM

    @centexhorn …

    I never think the folks in charge of anything represent the rank and file ;)

  12. burntorangehorn says: May 23, 2012 12:16 AM

    I do want the conference to expand, but the logic is sound. Conference championship games can and will knock out a lot of teams over the years. I’m a fan of the champs-only model, because otherwise conference structures end up having zero role in determining the eventual national champion. The regular season is a process of elimination, and all the champs-only model does is eliminate the non-champs. Don’t like it? Win the conference. That way it’s not a beauty contest, as each team controls its own destiny.

    Except for that whole thing about there being more than four conferences that’ll produce champions.

  13. barbeaux says: May 23, 2012 1:56 AM

    They always say “what if you lose to so and so and slip down in the rankings,” but on the flip side “what if you beat so and so and get a little jump in the rankings?” they need to expand.

  14. bozosforall says: May 23, 2012 10:19 AM

    Texas sucks. They always will.

  15. coolhorn says: May 23, 2012 11:25 AM

    Thanks for your contribution Bozo…now, go back to watching your daytime TV.

    Like Deloss Dodds or not, he is close to being the smartest man in the room, and he’s anything but senile. It’s smarter to think of him as the Godfather. Dodds does NOTHING without a reason, including making comments about expansion. It should be noted that Dodds was answering a question put to him in an interview, he was NOT speaking for the Big XII, or even UT, but gave HIS opinion, and yes, it was basically directed at John Swofford and the ACC, in case they were considering some kind of nuisance lawsuit against the Big XII.

    @Deb…I understand what you’re saying…I have quite a few friends who are SEC fans, and the bulk of them have told me at one time or the other that they did NOT want the conference to go to fourteen. That’s an unwieldy number, and if TAMU didn’t bring an entrance into the Texas TV market, I doubt that expansion would have happened. I do have an idea that Mike Slive is casting covetous eyes in the direction of Virginia and North Carolina, so you might as well get ready to be a sixteen team conference, just as I think it’s a certainty the Big XII is about to be twelve teams again. I doubt the Big XII goes to fourteen unless there are two other teams that would bring some serious value to the conference, and if that happens, it will be a year or two down the road.

    Last thought concerning Deloss Dodds’ comments…Those of us who are fans of the Big XII have had abject lessons the last two years in how the realignment process works. The first rule…believe NOTHING you hear from anybody, until the ink is dry on the new contracts. Until then, it’s all internet speculation and conjecture.

  16. polegojim says: May 23, 2012 1:04 PM

    Dodds doesn’t want the competition. 10 teams keeps the threats diluted and money stacks deeper.

    Face it… the Longhorn Org (maybe not fans) agenda is about control. If they could have a ‘Longhorn Conference’ and only play with themselves… it would be the ultimate Burnt Orange Nirvana. No longer would they have to ‘suffer’ through dealing with others.

  17. coolhorn says: May 23, 2012 1:09 PM

    UT has never backed down from playing any school out there. Let’s just say that we agree to disagree Pole.

  18. polegojim says: May 23, 2012 1:20 PM

    @coolhorn… historically, I would have completely agreed w you…

    I’m not dissing the fan base… but the Org path/motive/intent has become obviously and horrendously self-serving.

  19. deadeye says: May 23, 2012 1:39 PM

    I don’t for one minute believe that the BIG12 doesn’t understand the seismic shift that HAS HAPPENED in college football, they get it. These comments are intended to accomplish something, probably legal protection from ACC lawsuits when that league dissolves.

    Take it easy everyone, Texas isn’t THAT stupid. Their expansion will happen in the timeframe that suites their purposes and keeps everything nice and legal.

  20. bbeaman78 says: May 23, 2012 7:46 PM

    Too bad the vote is 9 to 1 DeLoss. I’m glad in your small mind you think 10 is great. Too bad you care about UT’s bottom line more than W’s or you would have fired Mack already. Chuck Neinas was your biggest supporter of 10 and he is gone. Mr Bowlby will put UT in its place and put the conferences longevity first.
    Something numb nuts Dan Beebe couldn’t comprehend. I am for 12 or 14 teams. Bring it on!

  21. tipstopten says: May 24, 2012 4:06 PM

    I don’t know why the Big 12 hired a new commissioner, DeLoss has all the answers
    and runs the show, they the Big 12 could have
    saved a lot of money and just let DeLoss and
    Mac run the whole thing.

  22. tipstopten says: May 24, 2012 4:11 PM

    DeLoss and Mac should have left with A&M, the Big 12 would have been better off without Texas.

  23. lakesidegator says: May 28, 2012 10:18 AM

    This is boring. See y’all….

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