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‘We Were… Penn State’: Sanctions debilitate, cripple Nittany Lions

Penn State University student Laura Lovins and fellow students react while watching a live broadcast of the announcement of the NCAA penalties AP

Right or wrong, or how such a precedent will impact the future of the sport, NCAA president Mark Emmert, at the discretion of his bosses, took the unprecedented step Monday of leveling historic sanctions on the Penn State football program.

There will be days and weeks and months — hell, even years — to digest and debate whether a criminal matter that will bleed into civil litigation should fall under the purview of the NCAA.

What’s not up for debate and needs little digestion? The sanctions levied against the school’s football team are staggering in scope and potential to impact the program for a decade, if not much, much longer.

The fines and loss in revenue totaling roughly $73 million — a $60 million fine from the NCAA and the loss of $13 million in Big Ten bowl revenue, all of which will go to charities to benefit victims of child sex abuse — as well as the four-year bowl ban drew a majority of the headlines, but it was two other provisions in the sanctions that have the potential to damage the Nittany Lions for the long haul.

First and foremost, the Nittany Lions were stripped of dozens of scholarships, beginning next year, over the next four years, as well as a cap on the number of scholarship players on its roster beginning in 2014. From the NCAA’s release:

For a period of four years commencing with the 2013-2014 academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2016-2017 academic year, the NCAA imposes a limit of 15 initial grants-in-aid (from a maximum of 25 allowed) and for a period of four years commencing with the 2014-2015 academic year and expiring at the conclusion of the 2017-2018 academic year a limit of 65 total grants-in-aid (from a maximum of 85 allowed) for football during each of those specified years. In the event the total number of grants-in-aid drops below 65, the University may award grants-in-aid to non-scholarship student-athletes who have been members of the football program as allowed under Bylaw

For perspective, FCS football programs are permitted 63 scholarship players in any given year.  As we noted earlier, Penn State football will essentially be an FCS program in terms of size for several years, and yet will be facing Big Ten and nonconference opponents with the full complement of 85 scholarship players.

Recruiting experts are already weighing in on the long row to hoe the first-year coaching staff will face now and on down the road, because of both the scholarship losses and postseason ban.

“Kids want to go to college to play in championship games and the postseason,” Midwest recruiting analyst Josh Helmholdt said. “Now that it’s been taken off the table, it’s just going to absolutely destroy Penn State’s recruiting ability in the short term. Certainly when you reduce scholarships, that hurts recruiting because you can’t recruit as many players. But when you’re talking about how kids view Penn State as a potential place to play football, not having a chance to play in the postseason for pretty much the duration or a large chunk of their career is going to be a huge, huge deterrent.”

There was even more gloom from another of the recruiting website’s experts.

“The sanctions change everything,” national recruiting analyst Mike Farrell said. “The sanctions are the one thing I said way back when could splinter this class and could ruin future classes. That’s what kids care about. The scandal itself hurt recruiting last year, but it wasn’t going to stop kids from going to Penn State. Sanctions will do that.”

While that’s bad enough, another stipulation contained in the sanctions could be even more damaging, at least in the short-term.  Again, from the NCAA’s release:

  • Football student-athletes who transfer will not have to sit out a year of competition. Any incoming or currently enrolled football student-athlete will be immediately eligible upon transfer or initial enrollment at an NCAA institution, provided they are admitted and otherwise eligible per NCAA regulations.
  • Penn State will release any incoming student-athletes from the National Letter of Intent.
  • Permission-to-contact rules will be suspended. Penn State cannot restrict in any way a student-athlete from pursuing a possible transfer. Student-athletes must simply inform Penn State of their interest in discussing transfer options with other schools. Interested schools also must inform Penn State of their intention to open discussions with the student-athlete.
  • Official and unofficial visit rules will be loosened. Any incoming or currently enrolled football student-athletes interested in taking an official or unofficial visit will be permitted to do so during the 2012-13 academic year, no matter how many visits they took during their recruitment. Institutions seeking to provide an official visit to a student who already visited the school as many times as NCAA legislation allows can seek relief from the NCAA on a case-by-case basis.

In other words, the NCAA has declared it’s open season on any and all current or incoming Penn State players, essentially creating a free-agent frenzy that has the potential to utterly dwarf what transpired at USC three years ago.  In the case of the Trojans, any junior or senior was permitted to transfer with no restrictions; a Penn State player in any class — including incoming freshmen — is now free to leave the school.

Additionally, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany heavily intimated during a teleconference Monday morning that players will likely be permitted to transfer within the conference  as well, further exacerbating the program’s plight.  For some reason, I get the feeling that the likes of Ohio State’s Urban Meyer and Michigan Brady Hoke have already perused PSU’s roster and commenced a game of “need it… got it… need it… need it… got it…”

Commitments to future recruiting classes are also in jeopardy, with one verbal from the Class of 2013 decommitting within minutes of the sanctions being made public.

“It was headed for a top-15 class,” Farrell said of the group of 2013 commits PSU had previously landed. “Now all bets are off.”

The lone saving grace for head coach Bill O’ Brien , who reiterated his commitment to the school earlier?  As of a couple of hours after the announcement of the sanctions, it was still unclear how many if any players would or will take advantage of the liberal transfer rules, although one PSU athletic official told CFT today that they are “bracing for a dozen or more” departures in the coming days and weeks.

In the run-up to today’s announcement, one report stated that Penn State may have preferred the death penalty over what was about to hit them.  While that’s still a stretch — just ask SMU about the long-lasting impact of shuttering the football program for a year or two — it’s certainly not as laughable a notion as it first appeared.

The sum total of the sanctions that slammed headfirst into Penn State today portends a decade of climbing out of the scholarship/transfer hole.  Regardless of whether it takes X number of years north or south of a decade to rebuild Penn State, the football program, one thing seems certain: Penn State, the university, will never ever be the same, regardless of what happens on a field a hundred yards long.

And, based on the Freeh report, that may very well be the best thing to come out of this whole sordid saga of pedophilia and cover-ups and putting a football program — and its legendary head coach — above young victims of sexual abuse.

As for the football program itself, the entity that has become synonymous with the university, there will be several operative words attached to it for the next several years and beyond.

“Rebuilding.”  “Adapting.”  “Moving forward.”

And, perhaps most importantly, “irrelevant.”  Given what 10 or more victims went through at the hands of a former Penn State assistant and convicted serial pedophile, for them that’s very much apropos.

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85 Responses to “‘We Were… Penn State’: Sanctions debilitate, cripple Nittany Lions”
  1. bennywisest says: Jul 23, 2012 1:58 PM

    WE still ARE PENN STATE!

  2. latrobe21 says: Jul 23, 2012 1:58 PM

    My comment on the first blog announcing the sanctions was “This is what happens when you have a gutless Board of Trustees.” At last check is was 164 “thumbs up” and 15 “thumbs down.”

    Apparently, you all misunderstood me. Maybe you’ll understand when I say “my apologies to Anthony Lubrano and other Board members not informed of this deal.” We should have fought the NCAA to the end than accept these results.

  3. guinsrule says: Jul 23, 2012 2:01 PM

    Somewhere Urban Meyer is smilin’ like a butcher’s dog…

  4. 1sportschica says: Jul 23, 2012 2:06 PM

    I hope that woman in the pic is crying for the victims and not about football. And I hope the sanctions shut the Patero family up once and for all. I am beyond sick and tired of their bitching and moaning about the unfairness of it all.

  5. alligatorsnapper says: Jul 23, 2012 2:06 PM

    JT: How in the world are you able to digest all this information and type it all out and give it all out to us so quickly? Southernpatriots have told me you are the best and with all you are putting out of quality reporting and information, I have to agree…John Taylor you are the best. Thank you.

    All the sanctions are nothing compared to the suffering and abuse (and neglect) of the child victims. Certainly, the fund to help child victims of sexual abuse is much needed and appropriate. The other sanctions are appropriate and did not need any further investigation because Penn State itself agreed with the findings in full of the Freeh report. They have confessed they were guilty. All that was left was penalties or sanctions.

    As with FBI investigations, the crime may be punishable but the coverup even more so and such is the case here. Civil cases may now proceed and with admitted guilt on the part of Penn State and with all the other penalties, including NCAA and Big 10 sanctions that Penn State has agreed to, the civil cases will likely be slam dunks.

    I do feel bad for those of Penn State (the students, staff, and all who were not part of the crimes and not part of the coverup) but I feel MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse for the victims of child abuse whose cries were not heard and whose abuse were covered up for the past decades. May those young men receive all the counsel, therapy, and help they may need and may somehow they receive healing, somehow.

  6. gojoep says: Jul 23, 2012 2:08 PM

    First of all much of your reporting is like cable media where opinion become fact and journalism is hard to find as fact and opinion are so commingled.
    What a horrible title. How dare you. For what – print space?
    The NCAA is punishing hundreds if not thousands of people in Penn State and in State College that had NOTHING to do with these crimes and you in your title glorify this abuse of power.
    We Were … The players who played those games stripped of those wins had NOTHING to do with these horrible crimes or cover up. The players ready to play now and in the future had NOTHING to do with these horrible crimes or cover up.
    The employees as in teacher and support staff in this fine college had NOTHING to do with these horrible crimes or cover up. The people and businesses in State College who live and have “jobs jobs jobs” had NOTHING to do with these horrible crimes or cover up. Those you graduated from the college over the years and are proud of their time there while outraged at the events had NOTHING to do with these horrible crimes or cover up.
    We Were … This is the NCAAA doing the same crime. They are protecting their image and position by abusing their power. These actions of overreach (besides the fines) serve NO purpose as per the boys violated or the crimes committed against them and the cover up involving many in Penn State and in Harrisburg whatsoever. They do not fix the past and only punish the future which had NOTHING to do with this.
    And yet you think this is a time to be clever with your We Were .. Fact is that We Are Penn State is what is needed now more than ever and not your writing for self promotion. This community NEEDS for years to come In We Are Penn State and learn and move forward. You and your sad writing and NCAA pushing and abusing their power miss the ideals of punishing the guilty and working together to improve for the future.
    We Were … You were a journalist and now I consider you a hack (and the MCAA just another good old boys clubs guilty of the same crimes).

  7. gojoep says: Jul 23, 2012 2:13 PM

    And YES I just noticed need to change my name on this page as yes I was a believer in Joe P … and he let me down as SO many did. Not changing that name is my mistake – all this is on him and those around him and those above him and those in law enforcement who all need to be stripped and punished for their working this cover up. But as I said NOT on those not connected who these actions hurt so as in the platers then and now – the future – and the people of State College. Complete overreach of power missing the target completely and hypocritically. Changing the name now.

  8. delfi2 says: Jul 23, 2012 2:18 PM

    If I never see Penn State on TV again, I will be just fine….Dont care what happens to that program – just like their attitude was for the last 15 years where everyone turned a blind eye to the criminal behavior playing itself out right in front of them.

    Good riddance – bye bye psu


  9. righton989 says: Jul 23, 2012 2:20 PM

    JVP Ent and Jerry Showers will to do their part to immortalize the legacy by selling commemorative leisurewear “The Penn State Way!”

  10. jdh1016j says: Jul 23, 2012 2:23 PM

    That’s right, YOU ARE PENN ST.! Congratulations!

  11. deadeye says: Jul 23, 2012 2:24 PM

    A person has to be a grade-A moron to not realize that the covering up of crimes (which is itself a crime) for the benefit of the football program is completely under the purview of the NCAA. It’s new precident because no university had ever protected it’s program by harboring a child rapist, until now.

    I want the NCAA to make the covering up of any crime “unprofitable” for any given athletic program. Today was a good first step.

  12. mvp43 says: Jul 23, 2012 2:25 PM

    gojoep says:


    You couln’t be more wrong or misguided.
    From what I gather from friends who live in Muncy, people in positions of power have been turning their heads and looking the other way for years to protect the football program. Thefact that these horrible crimes could’ve been prevented is why PSU got hit so hard.

  13. bigjdve says: Jul 23, 2012 2:33 PM

    I am having a hard time with this whole situation.

    I was a JoePa supporter up until it was found out that he was covering this situation up. I do think that justice needs to be done in 2 ways. First – something needs to be done to help the innocents hurt by Sandusky and the people that helped him cover it up. Second – the people that covered it up need to pay. I think they should be tried just as Sandusky was. Let them spend their time in a prison for allowing these kids to be hurt.

    However, what I don’t see the point in, is hurting more people by punishing the students, faculty, and other people surrounding PSU that didn’t have anything to do with this. From what I have seen, none of the 4 people that covered this up are working at PSU anymore. So how did these sanctions affect them? How does the punishment fit the crime?

    Somebody should pay, they should pay dearly for what has happened. However shouldn’t the guilty be the ones paying for the crime?

    This isn’t like USC, where some athlete was accepting NCAA rules about getting some money. This is something where people broke actual laws and they need to pay dearly.

    Right now, the only people being punished here are the innocent.

    Think of it this way, Sandusky goes free while everyone in his neighborhood is sent to jail. They knew nothing about it, however they still are the people in jail.

    The court system got it right with Sandusky. Now they need to get it right with punishing the 3 remaining coverup artists.

  14. timh1955 says: Jul 23, 2012 2:42 PM

    In addition to the $73 million fine there will also be a huge amount of people that will no longer want to go to PSU as it will be embarrassing to say you are a PSU graduate.

  15. SkeletalDrawing says: Jul 23, 2012 3:06 PM

    GoJoep said: The employees as in teacher and support staff in this fine college had NOTHING to do with these horrible crimes or cover up. The people and businesses in State College who live and have “jobs jobs jobs” had NOTHING to do with these horrible crimes or cover up. Those you graduated from the college over the years and are proud of their time there while outraged at the events had NOTHING to do with these horrible crimes or cover up.

    You just don’t get it. All of those people DO share the blame. They created a culture that deified people, that made success of the football program so imperative that those at the top hid anything that could hurt its image, including the sexual abuse of children. Every single person that participated in that culture shares some blame.

    I’m sure there are many professors and students who weren’t football fans, but how are they hurt? Penn State as a learning institution is still a great school, and these sanctions won’t change that.

    But all of the fans, alumni, and people who made a living off of the sick football culture there, yes they are going to have to go through a transition period now. Failing to do so would just set up another generation of victims.

  16. dkhhuey says: Jul 23, 2012 3:07 PM

    I am tired of people saying these charges are hurting people that didn’t have anything to do with the scanal and shouldn’t have been levied. TOUGH SH!T!!! That is the way it has to be done! To sit there and say PSU does not deserve punishment is delusional at best! Your logic that nothing should happened to PSU because the 4 stooges are no longer living or employed is just plain absurd. This was a hideous scandal that enabled a child rapist to molest and anally rape children and was condoned, supported, and covered up by PSU.

    Those outside of the little PSU society all get it! Your coach, president, AD were grossly absorbed in winning football games instead of doing the right thing to stop a child rapist. Get your f@#$ing priorities right and move forward in a positive manner. Joe Paterno deserves EVERYTHING he got because he knew what Sandusky was doing and he turned his back so he could win football games.

    The whole program needs to be bleached, scrubbed, and rebuilt and this is the first step!

  17. haterhurter937 says: Jul 23, 2012 3:10 PM

    ncaa taking away scholarships is not the answer, why should so many kids lose a free education? and putting a post season ban and taking away wins doesnt make any victim feel any better, just making the former players at psu suffer for something they had nothing to do with.

  18. SkeletalDrawing says: Jul 23, 2012 3:10 PM

    Arghhh, more of you “don’t punish the innocent” people. Listen up, if you are saying that, go take a long hard look in the mirror, because you will see one of the guilty parties. Cultures that put so much importance on the wrong thing don’t spring from a couple of people, it’s caused by the weight of generations of people and legions of fans that want to believe the story (The Penn State Way!) more than the reality, and are willing to no supervise their leaders or question their heroes to do so.

    Repeat after me: “The Penn State culture is responsible for this heinous situations.” And that culture has to be forced to change.

  19. bigjdve says: Jul 23, 2012 3:15 PM

    Skeletaldrawing – I commented on I didn’t understand how punishing everyone at PSU, even the ones that weren’t part of it was right.

    Your comment was the best one to date as a good reason to do so. That being stated, I think that logic should be applied whenever the NCAA is doling out punishments.

    dkhhuey – I agree JoeP deserves everything that his name is getting right now. However, it is easier to just slam something when you are not involved. I wonder if something you cared about had something bad happen if you would be so fast to condemn people that didn’t have anything to do with the incident.

    While I am not a PSUer, I have followed them for years as I follow the Big 10. I will continue to follow them so that I can see how they handle the situation that they are in.

  20. ronarch13 says: Jul 23, 2012 3:17 PM

    In the end, what appears to be what PSU tried to do:

    Protect the University and Football program

    What has happened today is what they thought they could protect by not telling anyone. Thier actions to try and protect the football program and the University has cost just that.
    The fact was: there was a monster on the staff.
    There were two paths that could have been taken: 1) Out him and deal with the consequences or 2) ignore it and hope for the best.
    They chose #2 and it ended worse than what would have happened under #1.

  21. cowboy88 says: Jul 23, 2012 3:34 PM

    None of you posters seem to really care aboutt the victims. you are just glad that a major (hated) competitor got neutered. Just saying.

    Bottom line, the punishment effects athletes and students who had nothing to do with this scandal and in fact had nothing to do with football. Just because you went to PSU or go there now, does not mean you should have to pay for someone elses crime. The entire family of a man who raped somebody are not considered rapists. We are not RESPONSIBLE for others misdeeds.

    Joe should lose his wins and his legacy. (even though this gave no competitive advantage). He was immoral and sick by covering this up. PSU should be fined like crazy. 2 Years of bowl and championship games would have been appropriate as well as limited scholarships for 2 years.

    The current players did not rape anybody. To dole out a “guilt by association” is wrong and does nothing for the victims. It is simply the easiest and most “press worthy” solution. The real perpetrators (Spanier, Curley, et al) will not face as severe a penalty and that is sad.

  22. bosshogg3 says: Jul 23, 2012 3:39 PM

    So putting children and recruits in harm’s way and allowing a predator access to school gets only 1 yr more than what USC got for Reggie bush taking money. The football program got real lucky not harshly punished

  23. kozbee says: Jul 23, 2012 3:43 PM

    Give um a crutch or two.

  24. jimbo0117 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:08 PM

    An absolute slap on the rist. As long PS is still playing games, they’ll still be making millions every Saturday when they pack that stadium.

  25. lejaneshep says: Jul 23, 2012 4:08 PM

    Sorry for the long message of replies. So much hatred and so little allowing folks to disagree and have opinions – welcome to our divided state of America. I love all this talk of “them” and “culture” – how far we have come.

    “You just don’t get it” … No I do GET IT and I happen to disagree. Being in any school does NOT make you part of the crimes committed in that school. What the hell did those teachers or business people have do with all this?

    As for this “culture” – trust me – check out your high school, your college, and your local state and federal government. Fact is this culture is NOT just in Penn State and it needs to be broken apart. But hurting everyone just shows how uncaring we are as a society.

    As for this “those people” … all that were apart most be punished … but you assume the English teachers knew all – the center in the team last year knew all – the tight end on this year’s squad knew all. That is is NOT justice NOT fair to them. We need to get all those that KNEW and PARTICIPATED and get them and punish them.

    I GET IT. What I also get is this so called “fair and balanced” that does not exist on FOX and neither is it in our sick and cynical society. These sanctions WILL hurt the university for years to come especially with our anti education Governor cutting education the way he is in favor of others (by the way they need to find out what and when he knew as Attorney General). These sanctions will affect all the local businesses and all the students for years to come who have NOTHING to do with football as they would in any school.

    As for this “Tough shit. That is the way it has to be done” … Kind of like Ford closing plants screwing those workers and their families to boast their numbers and the spun message never stating that. Kind of like Rep Turzai gaming the votes to get his win and people clapping for that injustice. Kind of like SO much where the game controls the image instead of dealing with the truth. The WAY it is done is wrong and not fair. All this energy should go after the guilty and the healing of the broken and NOT taking down “the culture” “them” “those people”.

    “It HAS to be done” … No – this is the way those in positions of judgement protecting their image and clout want it to be done. No “has to” as there were far better caring ways top help the victims then this.

    dkhhuey … Stop misquoting who I am. I did not go there – he is not MY coach – I never lived there – my priorities are straight – I live in America in a democracy where we are free to express opinions without being judged – tried – and imprisoned by you. Do not know me from Adam so stop judging me you …

    “You couldn’t be more wrong or misguided” … No and who are you to judge me like that – we happen to disagree … but that is the American way now to divide and insult instead of disagreeing. I GET THAT.

    “From what I gather from friends who live in Muncy” … What is Muncy? We have friends in the college and in State College so my sources are there and they were sold the same spin everyone was. Why are they guilty? Association? Well welcome to being brown skinned in Arizona.

    “people in positions of power have been turning their heads and looking the other way for years to protect the football program” … DUH … And they are ALL in the past and have been removed and need to be punished. Were they players aware? Where they the players playing now or in years to come? Were they the towns people in State College. From the governor then and now down ALL should pay but not those that had NOTHING to do with all this as these overreach sanctions do.

    “Thefact that these horrible crimes could’ve been prevented is why PSU got hit so hard” … How hypocritical to punish me for crimes in another state, in another time … how is that “fact”. On and FACT is not opinion and opinion is not fact.

    “You couldn’t be more wrong or misguided” … Wrong. I get many are Penn State haters but this is suppose to a democracy and not ruled by power and hatred. GO after the guilty and nail them but why hurt and destroy so many other just to prove how BIG you are. That is all this is. NCAA protecting their image. PLEASE don’t tell me or anyone else they are “wrong and misguided” unless you name is God or Jesus.

    TO timh1955 … sorry you are embarrassed. My my wife and all her friends are NOT. They are embarrassed and ashamed of the actions by him – they are broken hearted for the poor boys – they are disgusted by those who covered this all up for years and the micro manage of truth – but they are still proud of their school and not ashamed of saying they went to Penn State. People … PEOPLE screwed up badly and need to be punished – not Penn State as a whole as many on this thread believe.

    It is so sad we have to be this way.
    But you got what you wanted and more.
    Power on people.

  26. bigbuckeye76 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:19 PM

    I am actually suprised, I feel the NCAA got this right.

    However, if I were PSU, I think I would have preffered the death penalty.

    The problem now it that PSU has been relegated to basically a DII school… Frankly, I think they should be booted from the B1G.

  27. bigbuckeye76 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:20 PM

    By the way, the United states is NOT a Democracy……it’s a Republic.

  28. uacatfan says: Jul 23, 2012 4:22 PM

    A better solution would be to send a message that PSU is a public education institution and not a football institution. What message does it send just placing the program on crutches? The death penalty for a period of time would have sent the message that the victims and education are way more important than football, especially in a situation where there clearly was no institutional control. How many other institutions have had a clear fault line to the top like this? SMU has never been the same since the NCAA hammered them. PSU will likely be back sooner than SMU and what happened at PSU was clearly more egregious than what happened at SMU.

    Make no sense to me.

  29. rickrock6661982 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:23 PM

    Maybe the students will riot again?

  30. diamondmo33 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:31 PM

    I’m just hoping Sandusky doesn’t commit suicide.

  31. psuravens19 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:42 PM

    I’ve got some news for you John Taylor, not everyone associated with Penn State is defined by the football program so yes it still is WE ARE…

  32. bigbamboom1 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:45 PM

    @alligatorsnapper whosaid:

    “I do feel bad for those of Penn State (the students, staff, and all who were not part of the crimes and not part of the coverup) but I feel MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse for the victims of child abuse whose cries were not heard and whose abuse were covered up for the past decades. May those young men receive all the counsel, therapy, and help they may need and may somehow they receive healing, somehow.”

    Great comment. Unfortunately many of those innocent voices and screams for help were heard. By Dottie Sandusky; by probably other tortued children in Sandusky’s house of horrors; by Paterno, Curley, Spanier, Schultz and who knows who else on that sickened cadre of coaches and officials who dwelled around PSU Men Athletics.

    I’m sure all of them heard about some things regarding Sandusky. Or some even saw questionable conduct and are still too cowardly to step forward. But this crime against the humanity of those helpless children did not go unobserved. Seems like many didn’t want to believe their lying eyes or ears. Because Sandusky was operating in broad open daylight!

    I applaud the NCAA for getting this just right. Because it is a nuclear warning shot across the bow of every single NCAA school. Towit: You better not ever let Football, a sport, or a coach get bigger than your school or responsibilities as guardians of its youth. And anything remotely resembling horrors of PSU, better never happen again. Or your school may be banned for “Life”. It is singularly the most powerful statement I have ever heard the NCAA shout. And I am very proud of them for doing it.

  33. samsjmail says: Jul 23, 2012 4:50 PM

    Go Pennis State!!

    Go Blowpa! All hail the tarnished, rusted legacy of someone who looked the other way when children were being raped.

    “All the poor innocent people who had nothing to do with it”

    What a load of crap. There were lots of “innocent” football players and others at SMU as well.

  34. samsjmail says: Jul 23, 2012 4:57 PM

    Wait until the victim lawsuits start.

    I hope Pennis State gets sued out of existence.

  35. SkeletalDrawing says: Jul 23, 2012 5:01 PM

    To lejaneshep –

    I actually agree in part with what you say – there are other colleges where the reverence for football and its coaches is too high, but that’s also part of the point of such a harsh penalty, to make an example that will encourage other institutions to make changes so they never end up in the same position. And having been involved with academic leaders for most of my career, I feel confident that this very subject will be popping up at trustee and departmental meetings across the country this year.

    I also agree that there are undoubtedly people at Penn State who didn’t participate in football at all – but that’s exactly what is good here, is that the penalties are almost entirely levied at the football program. How does it in any way impact the math department if Penn State can’t recruit the best football players? (and don’t pull out that “football pays for academics BS, every major study has shown that this isn’t true)

    If you have any case it’s about the fine, which has the potential to be drawn from non-sports revenue, although with the size of the PSU endowment I don’t feel like this has to make or break anything in academics (and if it does, I’ll be happy to back you that someone needs to find a way to shore up the non-football funding).

    In the end I would have still favored a couple of years of complete football shutdown (to completely break cultural continuity while reforms were put in place) followed by greatly reduced sanctions to help with the rebuilding, but the NCAA went this route to avoid a lengthy appeals process.

  36. onbucky96 says: Jul 23, 2012 5:12 PM

    Had Penn State issued a Personna Non Gratta to Urban Meyer, or whatever lackey he no doubt has dipatched to steal, sorry, offer a new oppertunity to play football?

  37. harsh22 says: Jul 23, 2012 5:22 PM

    Since the goal now is to eradicate anything Paterno, there are a few things still needed to be done to complete this task.

    1. Change the uniforms
    2. start recruiting players that have no chance of graduating like Ohio State and the SEC teams

  38. cattrax13 says: Jul 23, 2012 5:57 PM

    The person I think should be arrested and tried for failing to prevent child abuse is Mike McQueary and no one, NO ONE, is even mentioning his name. He SAW the abuse and did not do one thing to stop it. He should have stepped in immediately, stopped it and called the police right then and there. He did not. Why is Paterno, who reported McQueary’s story to his boss, vilified for not going beyond his bosses to the police while McQueary who WITNESSED the abuse and did nothing but report it to Paterno, gets a free pass. His behavior was at best, as bad as Curley and Schultz and at worst, even more vile than their behavior.

  39. pedagoguish says: Jul 23, 2012 6:00 PM

    Something occurs to me about these sanctions. Does the NCAA have the power to compel a public university to make a donation of public funds to private charities?

    Public money is public money, whether it is generated through taxes, tuition, or football gate receipts. Public institutions may not gift public monies; they belong to the citizens of Pennsylvania, not to the university trustees. Any effort to redirect public monies should be opposed by affected citizens in court.

  40. itripledogdareyou says: Jul 23, 2012 6:16 PM

    Bosshogg3 – I totally agree. How in the world can PSU fans argue this punishment was too harsh when USC got only 1 year less. With USC 1) it wasn’t a felony 2) it was isolated to one player. The PSU program allowed a child rapist FULL access to its facilities for over a decade after the crimes were reported to members of the program by their own employee. USC got the hammer to be an example. PSU should have gotten more. I feel for their students and current players but a lesson has to be taught to the University, period.

  41. cfballfan1 says: Jul 23, 2012 6:28 PM

    Piling on after the whistle is a foul JT. Stop w/ the incindiary / lazy journalism and cover story angles that matter, like who else besides the most convenient targets are at fault in this tragedy.

    There are othrs at fault here that are outside of the football program, although you would never know it by the media coverage. The Freeh report was but one investigation into this situation – what about the others? When did “the Untouchables” – the Board of Trustees (misnomer) learn of the 1ST investigation? Didnt they have a “moral imperative” to put a stop to it? What about the janitorial staff that allegedly saw the crimes take place? What did the Governor know about this when he was Pennsylvania AG?

    Lots more to this story to come to light yet but hey, mob rule, knee – jerk reactions are cheap & plentiful.

  42. dannythebisforbeast says: Jul 23, 2012 6:29 PM

    FYI graham Spanier still collecting a paycheck. FYI Corbett still running he state. FYI the local police that FAILED to prosecute still in business. FYI I believe 29 members of the board that were on the board in 2001 are still on the board. FYI Louis Freeh still guilty of corruption in coverup of Waco. FYI Ray Gricar still missing,still unsolved.

    In conclusion one person took the fall for everyone else. Mission Accomplished

  43. philliephaninva says: Jul 23, 2012 6:33 PM

    Wow! This will totally kill football at Penn State. A two year “death penalty” would have been kinder.

  44. drarb says: Jul 23, 2012 6:40 PM

    Just for the hell of it – keep in mind that the Grand Jury did not find Paterno, Curley, Schultz, or Spanier of covering up any crime Schultz and Curley were indicted for perjury with regard to McQueery(sp). Regardless of the Freeh report it is not a proven fact that these folks did anything.
    Should those who committed wrongs be punished, just don’t make up stuff. Focus on the legal facts – no person was indicted for a cover up.

  45. timh1955 says: Jul 23, 2012 6:44 PM

    harsh22 you are an ass. The SEC schools are just as strong or better academically as the Big 10 schools. And to make a stupid comment like PSU should change their uniforms is simply ignorant. Maybe when you finish high school you will be in a position to post more intelligent comments on this site.

  46. daveyob says: Jul 23, 2012 7:09 PM

    “The sanctions change everything,” national recruiting analyst Mike Farrell said. “The sanctions are the one thing I said way back when could splinter this class and could ruin future classes. That’s what kids care about. The scandal itself hurt recruiting last year, but it wasn’t going to stop kids from going to Penn State. Sanctions will do that.”

    I may be taking this comment out of context but then again maybe I’m not. That’s not the only thing kids care about. They care about family, friends, trust, learning and working hard for a greater purpose and doing the right thing and having people to look up to – people that show them how and when to do the right thing, not only when it feeds their ego but when it’s the honorable thing to do. “We Are Penn State”? Cute, but that also applies to the yucky stuff that took awhile to bubble up to the surface. The stuff that isn’t so cute.

  47. tobiasjodter says: Jul 23, 2012 7:11 PM

    Did anyone ask the Catholic church to close churches or a diocese after a pedophile priest incident? “Hey – sorry St. Marks of USAville, your priest committed a crime and upper management covered it up. So sorry, but no more fund-raising and/or mass allowed in your church for the next 4 years. But feel free to switch your membership to any other parish.”

    Do we ask public school systems to close when a teacher molests a kid? “Sorry, but we will have to close USAville Elementary School because a teacher committed a crime and the administration covered it up. But feel free to transfer your kids to another school.”

  48. omniusprime says: Jul 23, 2012 7:20 PM

    I sure hope that the $60 or $73 million all goes to charity as stated in this article to help abused children. Too bad the Pedophile Pervert Catholic Church will benefit from this as many of their victims will be helped and not from the church’s money. I hope someone will be watching to ensure that Mark Emmert and his corrupt NCAA executives don’t get huge financial performance bonuses because of this financial windfall to the NCAA.

    Pedophile State got off too easy, they deserved the Death Penalty but bribed their way out of it. Hopefully unlike the Corrupt Catholic Church Pedophile State won’t declare bankruptcy.

    Pedophile State got off too Easy!

  49. ebrownwareagle says: Jul 23, 2012 7:20 PM

    Stop with all the damn apologies. NCAA didn’t cripple anybody but the DAMN football program. All the player at the school can go else where and play now so they didn’t hurt the boys. (Like Sandusky DID)! They gave them a chance! As for all the we did nothing FANS; IF YA LOVE YA PROGRAM THAT DAMN MUCH! Go to the games DESPITE THE PRODUCT ON THE FIELD, and SUPPORT THEM! So much for that. Loyalty lies in the wins. Fickle Bastards. Y’all Lucky y’all still have some football. Even though it closer to Pop Warner! No pun intended. But I wouldn’t want my SON there.

  50. chiefagc5675 says: Jul 23, 2012 7:35 PM

    Republicans will go to the lowest level anyone could imagine to protect their own-Freeh is republican- no doubt- the Gov. of Pa. who screwed up in 1998 by not charging Sandusky
    when the police had his confession had his repugnant buddy blame the dead guy and get all the republicans out from under- especially all the Republicans gtied up in Second Mile- not one freakin mention of that bunch of dandies who pimped for Sandusky. Freeh claims this is based on paterno klnowing about an incident in 1998- so did the police and the prosecutor who was probably the present Gov.- they passed on the case but Freeh wants us to believe the football coach controlled all of those criminal republicans.
    What repugnant BS.

  51. chiefagc5675 says: Jul 23, 2012 7:39 PM

    Your son is too stupid to get into Penn State Univ. Auburn takes the retarded kids- send him there.

  52. realitytaste says: Jul 23, 2012 7:50 PM

    These penalties don’t just hit the university’s football program, of course. They WILL pretty much kill the town itself for decades, if not permanently.

    True, that’s only because the town has been supported by the university – which has been supported by the football program, which the university allowed to be led by demagogue Paterno and his hangers-on (including the leadership of the Second Mile charity who were given a free ride to wealth by their association to the football program, facilitated by Sandusky.- who knows how and why?

    There’s nothing else but PSU in State College and University Park – the only stop in the no-man’s land of Central PA, equidistant between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

    I’d sure like to see part of these penalties coming from the fat retirement packages of the Gang of Four, who apart from Sandusky, did the most to harm those innocent children. Also, from the pockets of the Board of Trustees and CEO of the Second Mile – AKA Jack Raykovitz and spouse, who milked the charity – a football extension program – of his exorbitant salary for his only part-time job. That’s not even counting secondary gains from consulting jobs – dependent on prestige reflected from Sandusky when he was still the “man with the heart of gold”. As if they hadn’t knows better!

    All these near-Senior adults are escaping with their economic realities preserved in the form of rich retirement packages and investments – all fattened by pre-ban Penn State in which they were facilitating the world of wrong-doing – to lower income children and their helpless parents.

    Meanwhile, the penalties – and their incalculable ripple effect – will really be paid by the faceless thousands of students, faculty and citizens of the town and university. With the transformation of the football program, its revenues – ~ $75 MM/per annum from TV rights and more – the income lost to the town, will bleed everyone dry. Meanwhile, the quasi continuation of the program will consist of a skeleton team and staff, who will be unable to qualify for bowl playoffs, even if they hadn’t been banned!

    Those who remain in town and gown, will suffer lost employment (who housed visitors to home-games?), lost income (what will become of the businesses serving students?), , devalued housing prices and depreciated diplomas. This is not even counting federal and Dept Education penalties (remember the Clery act?) still looming. They stand to eliminate federal Finaid and research grants – amounting to more tens of millions, depending on how long they run, The long-standing attempt to turn PSU into a hub like the Research Triangle, can only falter – the behemoth buildings still unfinished, left empty.

    Paterno’s halo was only just painted over in the town center’s mural of local notables but meanwhile his corporation survives him protecting his dependents. Not so, for those dependent on the programs, jobs, housing – all spun off from his deceptive “Legend”. It seems that the guiltier the participant is, the less they and theirs will suffer real-world penalties. Is there no way to siphon any of this world of economic hurt from the ill-gotten wealth of those adults who are most responsible for harming the children/young people and their families?

    Otherwise, the crimes are being paid for by those least responsible for the actual wrong-doing. As PSU enrollment drops, what will happen to the many branch campuses and the untenured faculty who will be let go?

    Wrong upon wrong. It appears that justice is being served by the heavy penalties levied by the NCAA – not even to reckon the still-looming penalties from the Federal government via the Dept of Education (the termination of federal Finaid and research grants stands to cost additional tens of millions – and for how long?) . But the extended consequences will be suffered most by the faceless little people of town and gown – those with the misfortune to have dwelled in the shadow of the “great ” who allowed this plague to go unchecked. With the exception of actual jail time, it seems that the higher up they stood – the more guilt they bear – the less they will actually lose.

  53. tapdancer52 says: Jul 23, 2012 7:51 PM

    I don’t get it. These sanctions only hurt innocent students and athletes. It does nothing to help the victims of this disgusting crime and coverup! Who will be receiving the 60,000,000? Is it going to the victims? Will some of it pay to have sexual abuse and child abuse prevention education for the powers that be as well as staff and students?

    How is removing Joe Paterno’s name for a winning record helping victims? Whether his name is there or not, the wins happened. You can’t un-ring the bell. However, I do think this issue is the least important.

    I just don’t understand how these sanctions do anything to punish those responsible and help those who were victimized. I believe I heard that the Board of Directors were unaware of the sexual abuse of children taking place on their campus. So, I guess I just don’t understand the rationale for any of this.

  54. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Jul 23, 2012 7:57 PM

    bennywisest | Jul 23, 2012, 10:58 AM PDT
    WE still ARE PED STATE!

    Fixed it for ya.

  55. goodellmustgo says: Jul 23, 2012 8:03 PM

    It’s not enough….they should have shut the program down. For at least 5 years. And if you disagree, shame on you for putting football ahead of the well being of children. And shame on the NCAA

  56. buzzerj says: Jul 23, 2012 8:12 PM

    NCAA really gave some puny superficial sanctions to a proven guilty university administration. What should have happened? The NCAA should have had 3 meetings with Penn State, saying the school should suggest the punishment each time. At any point if the school suggested those penalties that met NCAA pre-determined ranges of punishment, then that level of punishment would be agreed to. NCAA should have told Penn State that the punishment would involve complete cessation of all NCCA sports for a period of time and separate cessation of the football program. The only issue would be for how long. If Penn State didn’t come up to the NCAA decided ranges in any of the three meetings then NCAA would levy the maximum punishment. But NCAA should have said the problem started at Penn State so the punishment should come from Penn State. The NCAA acceptable ranges for all sports would be 10-15 years and for football 50-100 years. If Penn State wanted sports to resume earlier they could apply with NAIA but if so for any sport, they would never be sanctioned by NCAA again for all sports. Ever. So those should have been the terms of the punishment. I have no grudge with Penn State as a college or as a sports program, but it is what has been proved and it just happens to be Joe Paterno’s Penn State. Any school that was complicit in multiple serial rapes, deserves to be set aside, set aside a long time. The NCAA didn’t do that. The NCAA failed in their job miserably. It’s really sad.

  57. psu4me says: Jul 23, 2012 8:39 PM

    I wonder if Freeh’s report didnt implicate Joe if the NCAA would’ve still relied solely on its opinions. As for this article I just find infuriating that writers who have no connection with the PSU community find that they can make insulting and incorrect article titles like this. We Are Penn State. You cant change that. Also everyone who said that PSu supporters were only interested in preserving the football program yet they have no problem in punishing only the football program. No mention on Spanier or any NCAA restriction or even just condemning his actions? You all pretend that you are taking the high road but you are a bunch of hypocrites.

  58. laserw says: Jul 23, 2012 8:50 PM

    Let’s put the details out for everyone to see.

    The so-called investigation that was conducted by former FBI director Louis Freeh is bogus. This is the same FBI director who ran the FBI during which the agency could not track terrorists effective. Freeh left September 3, 2001 and it was on his watch that the agency was putridly ineffective.

    So we are going to trust an investigation run by him to base penalties on Penn State?

    You have got to be kidding!

    Stripping real world wins from Paterno is a bogus action – in fact – it is a panty-waste punishment – one that takes no gonads – and one that shows a profound lack of understanding about the real world. None of the actions that are asserted to have been taken (the Freeh report is really specious on ACTUAL traceable evidence to Paterno and to some Penn State officials despite the media spin). Since the situations at Penn State did not involve cheating or other ways of winning when the University would not have otherwise won, stripping the wins is outrageous. And it doesn’t take much manhood (well, it doesn’t take any), to strip wins from a dead guy.

    There is no evidence that the football program in toto was complicit in this coverup. There is evidence that Paterno did in fact consult with superiors, so if the buck stops anywhere, it should cause heads to roll in the management of the University. Paterno’s only apparent issue here is not “pursuing this situation with rabid vigor”. There is a profound difference in doing nothing and doing what he thought was right. And since he did consult with superiors, the ball shifted from Paterno to the management. Punishing the football program is also a fairly mamby pamby way of addressing the issue.

    The real problem is that the University had no systematic plan to address sexual crimes issues; management clearly failed to act; and the University, not a sports program, is totally at fault. So it should be the University that pays.

    Here is what I’d do – immediately pursue all legal actions, both civil and criminal, against any and all top University officials from 1998 – 2011. Whether these officials are held civilly or criminally liable is up to the courts to decide.

    Whatever steps that are necessary to strip Penn State of its University status and to turn it into a college for a decade. Since this action will immediately affect all football and sports programs, it would make any further action of punishment on sports redundant. Whatever college programs would be allowed to exist would be dependent on the NCAA standards for that. This reduction would be a harsh penalty.

    I disagree with the fine – that is a gutless attempt by the NCAA to cover its butt since there is a hint that even NCAA officials had to know what was going on in one of its schools. The fine is merely a way for the NCAA to frost a maggot cake by donating it for PR purposes.

    The NCAA is a gutless, spineless den of leftist wimps. It no more wanted to pursue penalties that really punished Penn State than it wanted to actually conduct a real investigation. This whole thing was a dog and pony show with a preconceived conclusion – pin it all on the dead guy, punish the football program, and to do minimal significant change at weeding out the leftists in management who were the actual perpetrators of the coverup.

  59. dthomas74 says: Jul 23, 2012 8:52 PM

    I can’t help but wonder why all those who are so indignant about these sanctions forget that Joe Paterno cared so much about “his” football program and so little about his players. He deliberately covered up sexual abuse of children knowing full well if anyone found out, his players would bear the brunt of the ramifications. Apparently he thought himself untouchable. Is it fair that people who didn’t do anything wrong are now affected by these sanctions, no. However punishment needed to be made and it needed to be serious. People’s lives were ruined by the Enron and Arthur Anderson scandals also, but again, those in power had so little respect for the people who worked for them, those were the people who took the fall. If you need to blame someone’s actions for even putting the students, players and community in this position, don’t blame the NCAA, blame Joe Paterno and those who refused to do the right thing.

  60. deadeye says: Jul 23, 2012 9:00 PM

    “I just don’t understand how these sanctions do anything to punish those responsible and help those who were victimized. I believe I heard that the Board of Directors were unaware of the sexual abuse of children taking place on their campus. So, I guess I just don’t understand the rationale for any of this.”



    Allow me to explain some of the logic.

    First, the NCAA is not doing this to punish those responsible in an individual sense, there will be trials and jail time for those people. They ARE punishing PSU collectively for what their leadership both did, and failed to do.

    Second, Emmert stated up front that nothing could be done to remove the pain and anguish the victims of Sandusky have felt for all these years and decades. Nonetheless, the 60 million dollar fine will be funneled to charitable organizations dedicated to helping the victims of abuse. So at least some victims can be helped from the money raised by the fine.

    Third, if in fact it is true that the BoT knew nothing about all of this, it underscores a condition the NCAA refers to as “lack of institutional control”. It basically means that tremendous malfeasence took place in part because those in charge didn’t do their job of overseeing things. The BoT not knowing about the Sandusky coverup qualifies as LOIC.

    Fourth, beyond all of that, there is a need for the NCAA to set an example to the rest of college football that protecting the program at any cost is completely unacceptable. I think everyone understands that the way it is now, it’s an uphill battle. But this is a first step in trying to create some deterence of possible future cover ups and crimes among other “football-first” universities.

    It’s incredibly rare for NCAA penalties to actually affect the perps. It’s ALWAYS the next coach and next batch of players that feel the effect. But that’s no reason to stop enforcing punishments. Can a man avoid prison for theft on the basis of his wife and children being harmed by his absence? They are innocent aren’t they? It’s a sad fact of life that punishment often affects those who were/are innocent. But logically, no punishment would ever be handed out if a requirement existed that no innocents be affected. It happened at USC, Ohio State, and numerous other colleges. And the situation is the same for PSU.

    I hope I’ve answered some of your questions about the appropriateness of the PSU sanctions.

  61. horses721 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:03 PM

    I hope Penn State will be known as Pedophile State forever. You pathetic maggots that defend the program are a joke. You try to pass the blame on and still refuse to accept what was done to these children was wrong. The CULTURE of Penn State is about football and not academics. Your school will not be known for anything but covering up for a pedophile. UNTIL YOU ALUMNI MAGGOTS ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES, THE PROBLEM WON’T GO AWAY.
    Instead of being embarrassed by the coverup, you act like little children and blame somebody else or use arguments which the thought process behind it is 2 wrongs make a right. PATHETIC

    YOU ARE PEDOPHILE STATE TO EVERYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CULT OF Happy?Valley. Keep embarrassing the school by trying to defend what has happened.

  62. gooboy6 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:03 PM

    dkhhuey says:
    Jul 23, 2012 3:07 PM
    I am tired of people saying these charges are hurting people that didn’t have anything to do with the scanal and shouldn’t have been levied. TOUGH SH!T!!! That is the way it has to be done! To sit there and say PSU does not deserve punishment is delusional at best! Your logic that nothing should happened to PSU because the 4 stooges are no longer living or employed is just plain absurd. This was a hideous scandal that enabled a child rapist to molest and anally rape children and was condoned, supported, and covered up by PSU.

    Those outside of the little PSU society all get it! Your coach, president, AD were grossly absorbed in winning football games instead of doing the right thing to stop a child rapist. Get your f@#$ing priorities right and move forward in a positive manner. Joe Paterno deserves EVERYTHING he got because he knew what Sandusky was doing and he turned his back so he could win football games.

    The whole program needs to be bleached, scrubbed, and rebuilt and this is the first step!

    This guy nailed it , AMEN

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  63. psu4me says: Jul 23, 2012 9:07 PM

    You can’t compare what happened at USC and OSU to what happened in State College. USC and OSU gained a competitive advantage in recruiting by their actions. There was no gain on the football field for PSU. The NCAA overstepped their boundaries and I for one hope it comes back to bite them in the ass.

  64. jeteddy says: Jul 23, 2012 9:17 PM

    The Nittany Lions have been debilitated and crippled. Really? I thought those poor kids that were handed to a pedephile on a silver platter were the victims. Silly me. The fact that we are treating this like it is sports news illustrates the reality that too many of us just dont get it. If Penn State had a shred of decency, they would kill their football program permanently.

  65. deadeye says: Jul 23, 2012 9:21 PM

    “You can’t compare what happened at USC and OSU to what happened in State College.”



    Of course I can compare them. PSU benefitted from hiding Sandusky’s crimes in the following two ways:

    1) PSU’s squeaky clean reputation remained in tact. This obviously is part of the appeal for landing good recruits and large donations from alumni.

    2) JoePa got to continue his pursuit of the all-tine wins record. There was a very real possibility that he would have been forced to step down in 2001 or 2002 if Sandusky’s crimes had been known. Many fans were calling for Paterno to step down because PSU had back to back losing seasons. Word of Sandusky’s crimes would have been the straw to break the camel’s back.

    I’m sure you will find a way to argue against these because your seeing the situation through PSU colored glasses. But it’s a simple fact that the motive for the cover up was to protect the football program, JoePa’s record, and PSU’s reputation. No reasonable person would disagree with that.

    And when the motive for committing a crime, or covering up a crime, is to protect an athletic program the NCAA does have the power to act despite what PSU apologists are claiming. They are NOT limited to “on the field” infractions.

  66. psu4me says: Jul 23, 2012 9:28 PM

    no OSU and USC got an edge because of what they did. Players are more likely to come if they get free cars, tats, or money. PSU did not benefit by the administrations lack of action. There would have been no fallout for anyone except sandusky. No benefit for withholding information on Sandusky.

  67. sailbum7 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:29 PM

    Freeh made a lot of statements of conclusion in his report that are not backed up by any evidence, particularly where Paterno is concerned. What happened at Penn State may have involved a former member of the coaching staff, but the events had nothing to do with the football program, any player in the program, or any active coach. All of the crimes that Sandusky was convicted of occurred after he had retired from Penn State. There was absolutely no evidence in Freeh’s report, despite his conclusions to the contrary, that Paterno was in any was involved in covering up Sandusky’s actions. In fact the only evidence in the report points to Paterno wanting to do more, not less about Sandusky. Unfortunately, Paterno was told that he could not ban Sandusky from Penn State facilities because he had been granted emeritus status by Spanier. The NCAA had no business getting into this to start with and there is definitely no jstification for the penalties leveled against the football program. To strip Penn State of all of those wins is absurd since there was nothing that happened that in any way affected the play on the field or the eligibility of any players. The stripping of scholarships and banning from post season play is punishing players and staff who were not even there when Sandusky committed his crimes. What the NCAA has done goes so far beyond the realm of reasonableness I hope that Penn State takes them to court over the penalties. The football program had nothing to do with Sandusky’s actions and they should not be penalized for those actions in any way. This move was nothing more than grandstanding and a bullshit PR move by the NCAA and they should be ashamed of themselves for this travesty.

  68. joerevs300 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:31 PM

    Look, obviously the NCAA had to do SOMETHING here, or they would have been lumped in with PSU’s indifference (like, say, leaving Joe Pa’s statue up WAY too long after the Frees report clearly showed a culture of protecting Sandusky for the sake of the CFB program).

    However, this is a dangerous precedent.

    Go ahead, as Michael Rosenberg stated on, and pull out the NCAA manual. You won’t find a place where PSU violated A NCAA RULE. The NCAA effectively decided to disregard their own statutes, spin it so they could give out the harshest punishments possible (make no mistake: They want PSU to self-declare their OWN death penalty by shutting the program down, if they don’t, it’s even more of a win for the NCAA) and make NCAA Prez Mark Emmertt a hero.

    Here’s the problem: Can we now go back to what USC and Ohio State did, flaunting the NCAA rule books, with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars, given to recruit players and lavish on those who are on the campus? If we see another major program committing rape, for example, is the NCAA going to levy a bowl ban and take away scholarships, since it won’t be an internal matter but the same akin violations that occurred at PSU, only on a smaller scale?

    And honestly: Why not just get rid of college football all together? Or do all of you think PSU is the ONLY major FBS program protecting a sex offender? Don’t hold your breath…

    Look, I 100% agree with the NCAA’s need to take action. There’s no way PSU could be allowed to take the field on the level with other programs. That would have been an absolute nightmare for CFB, not to mention the families and the victims.

    But don’t kid yourself: Sanctions, vacating Joe Pa’s wins, taking down that statue…NOTHING is going to undo what Sandusky did to those kids. You could drop a nuke on Happy Valley (which some of you out there would probably also say is acceptable) and it won’t take away that pain, that sorrow and those scars.

    I can only imagine if you were living in State College, had nothing to do with the PSU CFB program, simply trying to make a living, seeing your town get absolutely destroyed, for something you had nothing to do with, just because the NCAA made a point, losing your house and declaring bankruptcy, and saying “Well, it had to be done, and so what if I am collateral damage. There was no alternative.

    Let the justice system do its job. The NCAA needs to put their focus on their own rulebook. The PSU scandal is ALL about the criminal side.

    So watch out “The U”, USC, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU and others. You’re next. And it won’t be pretty.

  69. horses721 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:36 PM

    Penn State apologist are pathetic. Hopefully someday when you leave the CULT OF PEDOPHILE STATE FOOTBALL , you will realize how pathetic you were trying to defend the school and how little they did while children were being raped under their watch.

    Answer this CULT MEMBERS, from 2002-2011(you know, after Paterno truly knew what was going on with Sandusky and little boys), Sandusky could take children to football practices, on gameday they could be on the sidelines and some traveled to road games yet Paterdo did nothing. WHY? He knew what was going on but did nothing. Tell us why he did nothing. I really look forward to hearing your pathetic excuses that will further show how pathetic Pedophile State alumni are!

  70. psu4me says: Jul 23, 2012 9:38 PM

    Im more embarassed that you are a member of the human race than I will ever be of my university.

  71. canehouse says: Jul 23, 2012 9:43 PM

    Penn St. got vaporized! Well deserved!

  72. charger383 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:46 PM

    NCAA way out of its area and just did it because they can.

  73. BeachBum46 says: Jul 23, 2012 10:33 PM


  74. bennywisest says: Jul 23, 2012 10:57 PM


    Did you just make that up? You must be a comedic writer, that was so very original and clever.

  75. psubiochem1984 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:40 PM

    As far as I know there was not a victim that came forward to give a grand jury the ability to indict Sandusky in 1998. Although I am a graduate of PSU I never went to a game but know that football mattered to other folks. I guess I do not understand penalizing people that did not know what was happening when only a very few did. This type of secret could not remain one very long in the majority of environments. The number of people that would protect a child molester has to be extremely small. I just do not believe that if there was enough evidence at the time they (the PSU administration) wouldn’t have gone ahead and fried Sandusky. I certainly would not protect a rapist to protect a program or anything else – it is hard to believe that four or more PSU afficials colluded to do that.

  76. bigbuckeye76 says: Jul 23, 2012 11:43 PM

    I love the PSU defenders arguing that it is unfair to punish the innocent players and fans. ……I guess I must have missed all that support you gave to the USC and OSU programs when their athletes and fans were innocently punished.

    You know, I was actually going to get upset about some of the PSU defenders comments posted here……and then I looked over the punishment handed down and smiled……

  77. psu4me says: Jul 23, 2012 11:56 PM

    yes enjoy the pain of other people, what a terrible remark. And the fans at thosse schools were punished because of what the program did in its pursuit of getting a leg up over the recruiting competition, that is not the case at PSU. Thankfully I have friends that went to OSU so I know not all buckeye fans are as callous and ignorant as you.

  78. psubiochem1984 says: Jul 24, 2012 12:06 AM

    bigbuckeye76 says:Jul 23, 2012 11:43 PM

    I love the PSU defenders arguing that it is unfair to punish the innocent players and fans. ……I guess I must have missed all that support you gave to the USC and OSU programs when their athletes and fans were innocently punished.

    You know, I was actually going to get upset about some of the PSU defenders comments posted here……and then I looked over the punishment handed down and smiled……

    While looking at yourself in the mirror or admiring your tiny genitalia?

  79. marat28051988 says: Jul 24, 2012 1:06 AM

    shame on the American system of justice

  80. bigbuckeye76 says: Jul 24, 2012 7:14 AM

    Yeah, keep spinning this guys…no one is buying it…except your cult in Happy Valley.

    Just out of curiosity, I wonder what would have happened if a Lavar Arrington would have found out he would be playing for a pedophile?

    He and other elite players would have steered clear then as they will now.

    Hmmm… maybe keeping this horror story quiet was to make sure these players came to PSU… that Joe could keep getting his precious wins……and MAINTAIN A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE.

  81. packerbadger says: Jul 24, 2012 11:55 AM

    All these PSU appologists just don’t get it. They’re outnumbered here by about a 7-10:1 margin. I have PSU alumni that are friends and I do feel bad for them as they didn’t have anything to do with what happened; but are equally disgusted as to what happened. If this happened at Univ-Wis I would feel horrible as I am proud of my alma mater. This will put PSU football out for about 10 yrs or so. Since PSU was a late additon to the Big-10….making it the big 11….I wouldn’t be too upset if the Big-10 ousted them as they cast a dark shadow on argueably the best conference in college.

  82. mmmpierogi says: Jul 24, 2012 12:03 PM

    bigbuckeye76 says:
    Jul 24, 2012 7:14 AM
    Yeah, keep spinning this guys…no one is buying it…except your cult in Happy Valley.


    I’m not a PSU alumnus and I’m not defending anyone, but I can’t believe some of the lack of thinking associated with this story. Here’s a question — had this happened at OSU instead of Penn State, are you *REALLY* so naive and/or uncritical to think that people in southcentral Ohio or wherever Columbus is would not be saying the same thing? Think about it for a minute and then answer it.

    If your answer is “no,” then you’re missing a major chunk of what this is about — the fact that athletics, and prominent figures in athletics (e.g., Paterno), are hoisted up on a pedestal at major universities (including basically all of the Big Ten), and the power and prestige associated with this pedestal is what can lied to abuse and misuse of power, cover-ups, and other self-centered, unethical, reckless acts as was the case here and has been the case at other institutions (including Ohio State). It just so happened that Penn State got the Sandusky abuse thing instead of NCAA violations.

    Had this happened at Ohio State and had it involved a figure as prominent as Paterno, you can try to argue that people in Columbus and others affiliated with Ohio State would be entirely objective and would act differently, and that this is something unique to Happy Valley. You’d be lying to yourself, because the issue’s more pervasive than that.

  83. Deb says: Jul 24, 2012 12:20 PM

    Although I’m not a Penn State fan, I’ve always admired the program and my heart goes out to the school’s loyal fans. But this wasn’t a situation of paying some recruit under the table. Rather than briefly embarrass a football program, “men” representing every level of this institution allowed a monster to continue raping children for more than a decade. We’ll never know how many children were horribly abused within the Second Mile program because of these individuals or what long-term ramifications their choices will have.

    I’m generally against the Death Penalty. But in this case, the NCAA not only has the right, it has the responsibility to make sure its member institutions know inhumanity in the name of sport will not be tolerated.

  84. papichulo55 says: Jul 24, 2012 12:22 PM

    Priest in Philly sentenced today for protecting a pedophile. Hope the prosecutors can leverage this to get the PSU defendants to start talking..

    “Msgr. William J. Lynn will spend three to six years in prison for failing to prevent a priest’s sexual assault on a boy.”

  85. bcaarms says: Sep 18, 2012 10:24 AM

    This is a really old blog, but with the announcement that the Boy Scouts of America are involved with the exact same issues; I wonder how we are going to punish every person in the United States that has had anything to do with the Boy Scouts. Parents and kids. Using the logic of many on here, it will only be fitting for every person on the roles of the Boy Scouts to be announced and held accountable for the actions of few, even though they will say they had nothing to do with it. Probably many of them NCAA officials. hmmmmm

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