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As expected, Silas Redd transferring to USC

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It can’t come as a shock to anyone based on the rumors and speculation over the past week or so, but Penn State running back Silas Redd is indeed transferring to USC.

Redd’s father, Silas Sr., confirmed the transfer to ESPN’s Joe Schad. Other local outlets were able to confirm the news as well with USC and Redd issuing official statements. Here’s the one sent from Redd to media members Tuesday afternoon:

This has obviously been a very busy, emotionally draining week for me and my family. As many of you know, playing football at Penn State has been a dream of mine since I was seven years old, and I will be forever grateful that this dream became a reality. This is the reason that the decision I have made is so difficult for me: I will transfer to USC to complete my education and my college football career, beginning in the 2012-2013 year. Penn State gave me a phenomenal opportunity to become part of a legendary football program. My teammates, my coaches – past and present – and the staff have provided me with a tremendous amount of guidance and support since I arrived on campus, and I can’t thank them enough for their time, their advice, and their friendship. They have given me such a strong foundation from which I can continue to grow.

The Penn State community – including the Nittany Lions’ unbelievable fan base – has also been a huge part of my incredible experience over the past two years. I have grown tremendously as a person and a player at Penn State, and the support of the community and our fans has been a big part of the reason why. I also want to extend my thanks to the media, who have embraced me and my family over my entire football career, even before I began at the college level. I think it is important to say that this situation is not something that I wished for myself, but it has happened, nonetheless. My family and I have spent many hours in recent days trying to decide what will be best for me as I look to the future – both personally and professionally.

We have weighed the pros and cons of staying at Penn State and leaving Penn State, attending USC and not attending USC, and I can honestly say that, ultimately, this decision is about so much more than football. I continue to have aspirations for my life, and as my family and I considered the bigger picture – both on and off the field – it became clearer to me that USC will be the best fit for my academic, athletic, and personal needs over the next two years. I look forward to future successes, and to the continued support of everyone around me.

Until today, Redd has been silent  on the subject of his future since the NCAA’s decision to levy sanctions against the program and was noticeably absent from Big Ten media days last week, in which he was originally slated to participate. But the rumor mill was active with Redd updates. The running back reportedly visited USC over the weekend with Trojans coach Lane Kiffin taking the visit just a few days before.

Reportedly, Redd met with Penn State coach Bill O’Brien for two or three hours on Tuesday afternoon. Whether Redd had already made up his mind about transferring to USC isn’t clear.

Because of Penn State’s NCAA sanctions, Redd will be able to play immediately for the Trojans without sitting out a season and should split carries with Curtis McNeal. Additionally, the USC will be allowed to accept Redd provided it stays at the 75-player scholarship cap.

Redd, who rushed for 1,241 yards and seven touchdowns last season and was a second-team All-Big Ten selection, will have two years of eligibility remaining. If nothing else, Redd’s addition further cements USC’s status as preseason favorites for a BCS championship appearance this year.

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  1. habibthomas says: Jul 31, 2012 6:17 PM

    I dont blame him. You figure, Joe Paterno came into his home, spoke to his parents, promised good things only to find out that was a lie. Of course I would leave

  2. stairwayto7 says: Jul 31, 2012 6:22 PM

    OK troll USC fans, now Redd is great because he plays for your team and he sucked at Penn State. see ya Loser…

  3. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 31, 2012 6:22 PM

    sell out…but whatever, its his call. Just shows he has no loyalty or adversity…he jumped ship to be on a contender, not academics, or any of the other bs reasons he claims. Now some poor kid who has busted his butt to earn a scholarship gets bounced. What was it that Emmert said when announcing the sanctions against Penn St again? lol yea, really proving it.

  4. houndofthebaskervols says: Jul 31, 2012 6:25 PM

    Well I hate this for Penn State fans. Kiffin gets his hooks in you and you are toast.

  5. nashvilletrojan says: Jul 31, 2012 6:26 PM

    Fight On!

  6. vincentbojackson says: Jul 31, 2012 6:27 PM

    Kind of makes you feel a little dirty inside when you consider USC just cashed in on the fallout from the Sandusky scandal.

    Kiffin’s just asking for bad karma.

  7. kozbee says: Jul 31, 2012 6:28 PM

    Somebody is paying somebody something !

  8. unclemoobaa1911 says: Jul 31, 2012 6:32 PM

    habibthomas, you can blame Joe Paterno for alot of things, but sitting in silas redd’s living room is not one of them. paterno didnt travel to recruits homes for years.

  9. birdsflynorth206 says: Jul 31, 2012 6:34 PM

    Kiffin followed the rules, it was Redd’s decision to transfer so get over it Penn State

    PS: Penn State fans are still mad about the 2009 rose bowl

    #fight on

  10. tombradysbaby says: Jul 31, 2012 6:34 PM

    This kid has NFL potential. It’s a nobrainer he left PSU for a better chance at a shot being in the draft in 2 years.

    “No loyalty”?

    I call horse kaka on that. Where was the coaches loyalty to common decency while children were being raped? I don’t blame every single PSU player for walking out, and putting this horrible experience behind them. They need to think about their future, and not the future of PSU football.

  11. papabush88 says: Jul 31, 2012 6:38 PM

    With the arrival of college football nearing, nothing is more satisfying than having a cold one and reading all the hateful and jealous banter of anti-USC fans.

  12. papabush88 says: Jul 31, 2012 6:40 PM

    Again, people are blaming USC and Kiffin for Redd leaving PSU. Blame Sandusky and the Paterno-led cover up team. It is Redd’s decision. He had no idea that Paterno had been protecting a child molester since 1998. Redd would get overlooked in the NFL draft if he stayed at PSU.

  13. beavertonsteve says: Jul 31, 2012 6:41 PM

    In the end it’s amazing Penn State hasn’t lost more than just Redd and Fortt. Take any program that competes at a similar level as Penn State (Big 10 mid to high level contender each year) and open their programs up to ulimited poaching and you’d probably see similar results…without a massive scandal going on.

  14. papabush88 says: Jul 31, 2012 6:41 PM


    USC fans aren’t trolls on this article. This article is about a USC Trojan football player.You’re the troll.

  15. papabush88 says: Jul 31, 2012 6:44 PM


    I’m not surprised that there isn’t massive poaching going on. It’s the B1G. They are all slow. Redd is the only solid player. If anything, USC NEEDS D-linemen and DEs considering they just lost their starting DE, Kennard, to a torn pectoral muscle. The only problem is that the B1G defenses suck and PSU doesn’t have good DEs.

  16. 1trojanlove says: Jul 31, 2012 6:45 PM

    Fight On Silas!!! Welcome to the Trojan Family…

  17. 1trojanlove says: Jul 31, 2012 6:48 PM

    Every coaches job is to try and improve his team, and if he doesn’t he is doing his team and university any justice…

  18. charlescub80 says: Jul 31, 2012 6:55 PM

    Good for him. He made the decision based on what’s best for him and his family. The same decision he thought he was making going to PSU.

  19. anonymouslyanonymouscommentor says: Jul 31, 2012 6:58 PM

    Yeah, this decision had nothing to do with football. Oh wait, they don’t even offer his major. Is this what you envisioned Emmert?

  20. jaws278 says: Jul 31, 2012 7:00 PM

    I understand redd is going to USC for the possibility of a national championship and/or draft potential but if u think 1,200+ yds in one season good…you’re sadly mistaken. Evan royster had almost 4,000 yards at penn st (all time PSU rusher) and was still drafted in the 6th rd.

  21. norcal031 says: Jul 31, 2012 7:01 PM

    Stairway and anyone else bashing this kid are pathetic. F$%& Penn State. They allowed a molester kick it for YEARS!!!! They are the broke ex wife of a billionaire who still thinks they are wealthy or like a washed up singer who wount stop saying how famous they are. My mom went to Penn State and I have a pic of me on the lion. Little did I know that the lion was used to attract boys.

  22. lbijake says: Jul 31, 2012 7:01 PM

    No problem. Redd just decided to” turn pro” a little early in his career.

  23. beavertonsteve says: Jul 31, 2012 7:02 PM


    They have some talent at DT and LB though. Fortt wasn’t even their best one.

    Their defensive backfield was already a mess before everything else, but on offense their linemen are very good, probably on par with any Pac 10 program and likely to send a couple to the NFL.

  24. dolphins4 says: Jul 31, 2012 7:05 PM

    I wonder if Kiffin will help his draft prospect like he did the Tennessee runningback Brown.

  25. jayquintana says: Jul 31, 2012 7:08 PM

    Just curious, but how did USC have a scholarship available?

  26. birdsflynorth206 says: Jul 31, 2012 7:11 PM

    dolphins4 says: Jul 31, 2012 7:05 PM

    I wonder if Kiffin will help his draft prospect like he did the Tennessee runningback Brown.
    Pretty sure Brown transferred to Kansas State therefor Kiffin had nothing to do with Brown’s draft position or anything

  27. papabush88 says: Jul 31, 2012 7:12 PM


    They don’t, but apparently one of the players on USC is academically ineligible. If that is not the case, another player, as of a few days ago, volunteered to give up his scholarship

  28. thekatman says: Jul 31, 2012 7:22 PM

    poppabush88: I too will celebrate another win over PSU kids who didnt have a choice, & the players who feel some sort of allegiance to a program and university with a “forever tsinted” reputationThe whole thing is terrible, but the NCAA has spoken. No cried foul when SC was hit with free agency for 2 years, so why the hypocritical responses now?

    At 5:00pm PDT, I’ll toast the victims and good ole SC, we fight on to victory…. again…. with a nicecigar and a Belvedere on the rocks…. here’s to you pb and all USC alumni, fans and most of all to CLK and the team. Onward to victory for a Pac-12 Championship and another BCS National Champ title win over… whomever is unfortunate to face us inMiami Jan 2013.

    Fight On brothers and sisters.
    Beat everybody!

  29. thekatman says: Jul 31, 2012 7:27 PM

    I guess tonight is better than any to pull out the 2009 Rose Bowl Game DVD, and relish another great USC win.

  30. jayquintana says: Jul 31, 2012 7:34 PM

    @ papabush88

    Gee, I’m shocked that USC has an academically ineligible player.

  31. chuckmuncie says: Jul 31, 2012 7:35 PM

    We are PED STATE!!!! First of many.

  32. lovinthatsomanyhateonnd says: Jul 31, 2012 7:35 PM

    tbrady, interesting you say that considering even a member of the Freeh report group is quoted as saying “this wasnt supposed to be taken as a matter of fact, but rather a REPORT”…take that report for what you want, but waiting for something where those interviewed are under oath, and the conclusion is backed by facts in evidence…not the opinion of a man who did some nice cover up work of his own..that is all.
    papabush, he would make it to the NFL if he had stayed at penn st…thats a pretty wild assertion.
    Not surprising though coming from someone who thinks his team should get away with pay for play…

  33. fhuizar says: Jul 31, 2012 7:42 PM

    Kiffin is a sumbag!


    All the coaches who contacted 40 USC players when they were slammed with sanctions and didn’t ask USC coaches

    Welcome to the Trojan Family!

  34. joeweiser6 says: Jul 31, 2012 8:03 PM

    I don’t have an issue w/ Kiffin going after this kid. My problem is the NCAA allowing (rewarding) team/s that are on probation to go after these kids.

  35. amosalanzostagg says: Jul 31, 2012 8:06 PM

    So Penn State is upset when people look out for their own interest? A player gets an opportunity to better his position in a quality program that has a great chance to play for the National Championship in football. The nightmare is just beginning for Penn State. Now, there is still talent @ PSU. Wait until this first season is over and then watch the exodus escalate. The two number one recruits will be wondering what hit them when the lack of depth and injuries start taking their toll. By year three, PSU will be scheduling weak Division IA schools en masse to fill the non conference schedule in hopes of getting to a winning season. Minnesota and Indiana, along with the rest of the Big 10 are going to have PSU as their HC game. The real party begins after the probation, when
    PSU gets freshman and transfers to fill out a new
    football program. It is going to be brutal beyond all

  36. fhuizar says: Jul 31, 2012 8:06 PM


    USC went through the same situation

    Kiffin just did a great job keeping his players

  37. gla405 says: Jul 31, 2012 8:15 PM

    To the Penn State Community from a USC fan.

    I honestly hurt for your school, students and fans. I think the NCAA and national media is out of control. I don’t even see why your football progam is being penalized. This matter is criminal and will be addressed in the courts.

    While USC suffered a significant probation for wrongs committed by one person; we too lost confidence, respect and players, too. While it is easy to be mad at the USC coaching staff. It is important to know that Redd is the decision maker and must look at the best opportunities available to him. As any student seeking a job after college. Redd wants to have the best resume and media coverage.

    Unfortunately, the NCAA took that away from him. It would be unfair to penalize your star football players who desires to reach the next level. Fortunately, USC has recovered from it’s probation and is giving a Lion an opportunity to showcase his talents.

    I wish Penn State players, students, alumni and fans hope in knowing you will make it back and hoperfully meet us in the championship game…

    Fight On to Penn State, GLA

  38. pasote says: Jul 31, 2012 8:42 PM

    As far as the question goes about USC having the scholarship available. It is my understanding that for the 2012 season only, schools not facing sanctions of their own will be allowed extra scholarships to make room for players they pick up from Penn State.

    Serious question here… aren’t USC’s sanctions complete now?

  39. floridacock says: Jul 31, 2012 8:50 PM

    He and Kiffen deserve each other. They are both slime balls.

  40. thekatman says: Jul 31, 2012 8:55 PM

    The schools that are curently under NCAA schollie penalty limits can still recruit PSU players, but unlike non-sanctioned schools they cannot exceed their sanctioned limit. With USC, they are rtestricted to 75 schollie players for the 2012, 2013 and 2014 seasons. Currently there are 75 players on the roster. Someone will either lose their schollie or we’ll have to wait to see if one of the players, who may be academically ineligible loses his schollie. We’ll know about his status when he finishes summer school.

  41. BrownsTown says: Jul 31, 2012 8:57 PM

    With all of the excitmemt on this board, I wonder if the Coliseum will be at 70% capacity for games again this year or if the bandwagon has been fixed up and is road-ready.

    Fight on (when the program is good,…..otherwise, not interested)!

  42. cosanostra71 says: Jul 31, 2012 9:43 PM

    Fight on Silas!

  43. amosalanzostagg says: Jul 31, 2012 9:52 PM

    This is the PSU scenario on probation with 65 scholarship players. No depth on either side of the ball, No redshirt program. Think of PSU as a very good Div 1A program. Add in injuries and medical redshirts, subtract another 6 players, that leaves 59 players for both sides of the ball for 12 games. Starting a true freshman? Fifth year juniors and seniors against a true freshman in the Big Ten?

    PSU world is going to be rocked big time. Paterno
    will end up being cursed for what he allowed to happen.

    It will take PSU decades to get competitive on a national scale, if ever.

  44. dkhhuey says: Jul 31, 2012 9:58 PM

    You can’t blame the kid one iota! He was placed in a sh!tty situation and in the end, he did what he thought was best for him! Had it not been for Sandusky, the PSU coverup, and the NCAA hammering them – he would still be there!

  45. dannythebisforbeast says: Jul 31, 2012 10:06 PM

    Decades really? Players in 5 years won’t know jerry Sandusky from Sandusky Ohio. Either o brien hangs in there or they go after a big time name at the time. And they will be back. Penn state will be just like every other school and not even use the term student athlete. Way too much $$ involved. NCAA Bred the animal now it has to be fed.

  46. papabush88 says: Jul 31, 2012 10:42 PM


    I see your cigar and raise you a glass of Glenlivet 12 year. Fight On! Boo hoo to all the USC haters. Sucks to suck!

  47. uscatjerseyshore says: Jul 31, 2012 10:55 PM

    BrownsTown – Your insightful analysis on USC attendance is most appreciated. Things must be really slow in Cleveland if you’re worried about empty seats at the LA Coliseum but on behalf of Trojan fans everywhere we appreciate your concern.

    Fight On!!

  48. crazyfootballfun says: Jul 31, 2012 11:05 PM

    the only thing that bothers me about this is the walk on kid who had finally earned his scholarship…just yesterday he felt he was being pressured to give it up. Redd did nothing wrong in leaving, but this other kid earned the scholarship first. where is the loyalty from SC?

  49. djstat says: Jul 31, 2012 11:14 PM

    No loyalty? The reason Penn State DESERVED the death penalty was so their ignorant fan base would realize Joe Pa was a scum bag. Now let the players walk. With Redd leaving more will go. The 2013 recruiting class lovefest will disappear before signing day.

  50. tommy57 says: Jul 31, 2012 11:58 PM


    You are correct – “Now, there is still talent @ PSU. Wait until this first season is over and then watch the exodus escalate. The two number one recruits will be wondering what hit them when the lack of depth and injuries start taking their toll. By year three, PSU will be scheduling weak Division IA schools en masse to fill the non conference schedule in hopes of getting to a winning season. Minnesota and Indiana, along with the rest of the Big 10 are going to have PSU as their HC game. The real party begins after the probation, when PSU gets freshman and transfers to fill out a new football program. It is going to be brutal beyond all recognition.”

    Yet, I still don’t see how this punnishes Graham Spanier, Tim Curely or Gary Schultz?

  51. mungman69 says: Aug 1, 2012 12:12 AM

    Silas Redd is a slime ball? Are you kidding? The slime balls were sandusky, paterno and the rest of the big shots at penn st.

  52. tommy57 says: Aug 1, 2012 12:22 AM


    On a recent visit to Scotland (home of the single malt) I sampled Glendronach 25yo 1968/1993. It’s as close to perfection as it gets – I highly recommend it for your celebratory mood.

    It must be good to be the king!

  53. houndofthebaskervols says: Aug 1, 2012 12:26 AM

    @ dolphins4

    Ignorance abounds.

    Bryce Brown left Tennessee in the spring of his Freshman year, after Kiffin was long gone. He quit on UT and he quit on KState, but still was picked up by the Eagles. That the one you’re talking about?

  54. tommy57 says: Aug 1, 2012 12:55 AM

    Good for Silas. He’s learned the lesson taught by the NCAA, that the sins of the father will be paid for by the son; that no matter the proximity to the crime or offense, that entire teams will be punished regardless of guilt in order to send a message, and that’s OK with the NCAA; that targeting punishment directly at the wrongdoers is just too hard and the shotgun punishment approach is easier. Similarly, U.S. drone strikes or even precision military munitions strikes sometimes create ‘collateral damage’ in the deaths of non-combatants, but it’s just the cost of ‘doing business’ today. The NCAA teaches that it’s every player for himself or herself. The NCAA holds firm to the tenant that just one insect (or, perhaps four) can damage all the grain, at least as determined by the NCAA. All college athletes should take cover – the NCAA is launching drone strikes and Mr. Magoo is their targeting officer!

  55. papabush88 says: Aug 1, 2012 1:07 AM


    Thanks for the recommendation. I’m always looking to try new liquors and beers. Big bourbon and scotch fan. Dabbled in some various rums. Been huge on IPAs recently. Bevmo is ok. Total Wine is the greatest place I’ve ever been to. So many wonderful libations out there.

  56. psunick says: Aug 1, 2012 1:34 AM

    Thank you, gla

    That was one of the very few classy comments ever on this board.

  57. norcalirish says: Aug 1, 2012 6:35 AM

    Lol @ “complete my education”. Ballroom dancing, anyone?

  58. crubenst says: Aug 1, 2012 8:05 AM

    Let’s be real here. I’m a Penn State Alumni… so its my job to hate ALL USC players. And Michigan players. And Ohio State players. Add in the fact that Redd committed to us, played with us for 2 years and then left us to play for a hated rival, and Redd is naturally going to be despised. Its not hating its just football. Why do you think these guys get free education, all the girls, and millions of dollars in the NFL? Because all of us are PASSIONATE about the game of football and our teams. Any loyal fan of another team would feel the exact same way if a player did that to their team. Saying otherwise would be a lie.

  59. crubenst says: Aug 1, 2012 8:09 AM

    Silas Redd is not a slimeball. He’s just a kid. One that lacks fortitude and character in my opinion. But that’s what you’re supposed to develop when you go away to college. We’ll see. If anything, this might hurt his chances in the NFL unless he matures.

  60. tommy57 says: Aug 1, 2012 8:24 AM


    For forgot to hate PITT.

  61. latrobe21 says: Aug 1, 2012 8:34 AM

    “. . . I can honestly say that, ultimately, this decision is about so much more than football.”

    You’re full of sh1t, Silas.

  62. omniusprime says: Aug 1, 2012 8:57 AM

    Silas will look good in Trojan Redd. Pedophile State fans can now reap the whirlwind of what happens to a program run by criminals. The NCAA should have administered the 4 year death penalty rather than let Pedophile State bribe themselves out of their proper punishment. Silas wants to be part of a team that will compete for a national championship, not one who will sink to the bottom of the FBS schools.

  63. florida727 says: Aug 1, 2012 9:00 AM

    I don’t know how you can blame Redd for transferring. This isn’t the way it should be, but unfortunately this is the reality: for a long time to come, Penn State will be associated with the Sandusky scandal and not football.

    Again, maybe not as it should be, but the enormity of the abuse of kids will overshadow anything good that Paterno or PSU football did or stood for. What’s worse is that those who had no direct involvement (their fans, other students, other faculty) will pay a price as well. Sure, you could make the argument that the football “culture” created makes every fan/student/whatever culpable, but at the end of the day, it was about a decision that a few made to avoid “bad publicity” that brought them down.

    I can’t even imagine what PSU fans or loyalists are going through in their own minds. Trying to remain loyal yet having to accept the reality that an icon, someone held in the highest regard, made a horrible decision that allowed the unthinkable to continue on his watch. Bad analogy probably, but it’s like when you first learned there was no Santa Claus. You just don’t want to face that truth.

    As sorry as I feel for Penn State fans, I can’t fault Silas Redd for looking out for his own best interest at a time like this, especially considering the circumstances. Think about this in the current context of what’s happened: long after football is over, right now, what would you rather be known for… graduating from USC, or graduating from Penn State? As fine an academic institution as PSU undoubtedly is, I’d pick USC, and I have no bias, no horse in the proverbial race. I went to a small college in IL and now live in FL.

  64. papabush88 says: Aug 1, 2012 12:20 PM


    I love how you hate all USC players and you’re a fan of a team in a completely different conference. Just shows how dominant USC is and how jealous everyone is of them.

    USC had some great players transfer when their sanctions hit. I never wrote or said a single bad thing about them. I wish they had stayed. Guys like Seantrel Henderson. If I ever said a bad thing about him, it was because his transfer didn’t make sense. He left USC to play for Miami, a team that makes a living off of violating NCAA rules. As for DeAnthony Thomas. To this day I sing his praises. I’m glad we beat his Oregon team, but he’s my Heisman favorite for 2012, not Barkley.

  65. frank booth says: Aug 1, 2012 3:54 PM


    I actually enjoy watching you on the USC threads, because you’re like a posting robot that fires out multiple posts and assume that anyone that speaks bad about USC is just jealous.

    You’re clearly extremely thin-skinned when it comes anyone saying anything bad about USC, and it’s obvious that those posters really get under your skin.

    When did you graduate from USC?

  66. papabush88 says: Aug 1, 2012 4:04 PM

    @frank booth

    Haha. Not thin-skinned. Just very proud of my alma mater. graduated in 2010.

    Not every anti-USC comment is made out of jealousy. But ones made in situations especially dealing with Redd coming to USC is pure jealousy. USC/Kiffin did nothing wrong. Acted within the rules. Yet people are scared that USC is back.

    The celebration of USC getting sanctioned reminded me of the footage of certain factions in the Middle East on 9/11. You had shots of Yassir Arafat dancing in the street. People thought USC was dead. And if they were pissed before when Pete Carroll’s teams were dominating, they are more pissed off that ever right now.

  67. frank booth says: Aug 1, 2012 4:35 PM

    USC obviously has a great and legendary program- but they are not dominant anymore. They haven’t won an NC since 2004.
    They haven’t had the best record in PAC 12 since 2008, and their record against top 10 teams since 2009 is a losing one.

    USC didn’t do anything wrong with Silas Redd, but I wouldn’t praise them for being a clean program. College football is a pit of sleaze and whether it’s USC, Penn State, Miami, Ohio State, or Alabama, my guess is that there is all sorts of dirty stuff going on. Very little of it actually gets caught.

    When I was at the University of Minnesota in the 80’s, Lou Holtz had recruited a kid from a poor family in South Carolina named Rickey Foggie to play quarterback. He had a fully decked-out black 300ZX with a major stereo system and a license plate that read “THE FOG”. Nobody believed that the kid bought it himself, and he drove it around on campus in full view of everyone.

    I do think making a walk-on give up his scholarship for another player to come in shows a lack of integrity, but I expect it from college football. Of course the kid isn’t giving it up voluntarily- who voluntarily decides that they want to pay tens of thousands of dollars to go to college?

  68. kvanhorn87 says: Aug 1, 2012 7:05 PM

    I love the part of the story where lane kiffin returned the favor a few days before. Talk about spin. He either made the first visit or returned the favor after. Can’t be both. Way to put kiffin in a positive light. What a joke! And I don’t like PSU either.

  69. Ben Kercheval says: Aug 1, 2012 9:30 PM

    “I love the part of the story where lane kiffin returned the favor a few days before. Talk about spin.”

    Technically, that’s a typo on my part because I fail to understand basic writing skills. And I’m happy to correct it.

    On a deeper level, however, it’s because I hate Lane Kiffin.

  70. manchestermiracle says: Aug 1, 2012 9:46 PM

    For those speculating on the scholarship issue (and particularly those providing misinformation):

    Part of the sanctions against PSU was that any football player could transfer without having to sit out a year. Another important part is that any school accepting a PSU transfer would be permitted to apply the scholarship to NEXT year’s total.

    This means Redd can attend USC this year under scholarship. No current player under scholarship is having that scholarship withdrawn by USC. Redd’s scholarship counts against next year’s total.

    This means USC total number of scholarship players (baring any other PSU transfers) is 76, one more than they are permitted under NCAA-sanctioned reductions. Next year they have to be at 75 again.

    Does this clear a few things up? You’re welcome…


  71. manchestermiracle says: Aug 1, 2012 10:04 PM

    Oops, I’m wrong. After further research it looks like the NCAA will not provide an extra scholarship for schools already under sanction, like USC. So some poor kid has to give up his for Redd. That kinda sucks….Anyway, my bad, ignore my previous post (except for the FIGHT ON part of course).

  72. thekatman says: Aug 1, 2012 10:05 PM

    With all due respect to a fellow USC fan, becasue the Trojans are on schollie sanctions and limited to 75, they cannot have more than 75 schollie players until the 2015 class. The schollie arrangement you mention only applies to non-schollie sanctioned teams.

  73. ampatsisahypocrite says: Aug 2, 2012 3:08 AM

    omniusprime says:
    Aug 1, 2012 8:57 AM
    Silas will look good in Trojan Redd. Pedophile State fans can now reap the whirlwind of what happens to a program run by criminals. The NCAA should have administered the 4 year death penalty rather than let Pedophile State bribe themselves out of their proper punishment. Silas wants to be part of a team that will compete for a national championship, not one who will sink to the bottom of the FBS schools.

    No, it means that your school has now sunk to the level of using pedophilia as a recruiting tool.

  74. soundsofsuccess7 says: Aug 2, 2012 7:00 AM


    you say USC is a pretty big rival of PSU.. just curious, what is your justification in a Penn State’s beef with USC..

    Just kind of odd as alum and find out here don’t really care about Penn State, as far as rivalries go..

  75. papabush88 says: Aug 2, 2012 12:29 PM


    “using pedophilia as a recruiting tool.” That’s just pure ignorance. You must be terrified that USC is back. It’s not USC’s fault that Sandusky is a sick human being that ruined many lives. It’s not USC’s fault that Paterno and his cover up team weren’t honest with every player coming in that they were covering up several egregious crimes and jeopardizing the well-being of Penn St and the football program. All USC is doing is giving a kid an opportunity to play for something real, and not continue to be a part of a lie that negatively affected the lives of many. Before Kiffin even notified Penn State, Silas said he only wanted to play for either PSU or USC. In the end, it was Silas’ choice. If Silas had no choice and Kiffin took him anyway, you would have some wiggle room to make an argument. Nobody likes this situation, but grow up and learn how to assess responsibility and culpability. It goes on Sandusky first, and the rest lies with Paterno and anyone involved in the cover up.

  76. ampatsisahypocrite says: Aug 3, 2012 4:00 PM

    papabush — you USC fans are doing a fine job of spinning reality — when in fact, what your school is doing is taking full advantage of a sick situation involving yes, pedophilia. No school should be ACTIVELY recruiting Penn State players, which is what USC did, as much as you want to make it seem like this was all done by Redd, alone, and on his own.

    The fact is, Kiffin even did an end-around, contacting Redd’s high-school COACH so he’d pass the word on to Redd — a sneaky sleazy way to claim you didn’t contact Redd or his parents directly. So if this was so above board as you claim, why would he stoop to such sneaky tactics?

    As far as I’m concerned, NO school should be recruiting Penn State players, trying to enrich their own program off Sandusky’s alleged crimes. That’s just blood money. I think it is YOU who needs a lesson in “responsibility and culpability.”

    Nobody is defending Penn State or Sandusky. So don’t even go there. But here is the reality — in many ways, profiting off the whole sorry episode is in many ways WORSE than even the original crime. Because you KNOW what happened is wrong, but you don’t care, and think about nothing but getting your own program. In other words, putting football ahead of everything else — isn’t this what everyone banged on Paterno for?

    Say someone gets murdered. That’s bad. But you know what’s worse? The guy who comes along and takes the guy’s wallet before the ambulance can get there. Frankly, I can draw a pretty good parallel with what’s happened here.

    And again, this WASN’T just Redd’s idea. Kiffin himself blithely admitted he’d studied Penn State’s roster long before any sanctions were handed down, and announced that Redd was the only guy they wanted. That’s just sick and wrong!
    And the idea that USC is doing this like some charity work, “giving a kid an opportunity” as you say, is pretty much a joke.

    So be really proud of your school — and every time Redd scores a TD, be sure to shout “thanks Mr. Sandusky, thanks a lot!”

  77. papabush88 says: Aug 3, 2012 4:36 PM


    Pitiful ramblings by a USC hater. Not sure how to cure your irate jealousy. The fact is that Redd would never have been a Trojan if Sandusky didn’t commit the crimes he committed. And even if he did, Redd would have most likely stayed at Penn State if Paterno and his guys didn’t cover it up to protect the football team. A few people ruined the lives of children, and then extremely jeopardized the lives of many Penn State students and student-athletes like Silas Redd. Redd said it himself. He said that the only other school (other than PSU) that he wants to go to is USC. Redd was sold to PSU on a lie. A lie of ommission. Basically, if Paterno and Redd’s PSU recruiters were up front with Redd, he probably would’ve chosen USC.

    “But here is the reality — in many ways, profiting off the whole sorry episode is in many ways WORSE than even the original crime.” Ask the Sandusky victims if they think USC getting Redd is worse than what Sandusky did to them, and how for every cry for help, they were silenced by the power of Paterno.
    You disgust me. Cry about a REAL problem.

    When Redd scores a TD for USC, the only person he will be thanking is Lane Kiffin…for being honest and giving him a chance to be part of a real program. Kiffin is giving Redd a second chance. Paterno put football first, while hurting others. Kiffin is giving a kid a second chance and helping him out while also helping the football program. It’s win-win.

    I don’t see anyone complaining about LSU getting the PSU QB or any of the other schools getting former PSU players. It’s because it’s Kiffin and USC. And people hate USC because they know how good USC is and fear that USC is getting better.

  78. thekatman says: Aug 3, 2012 6:25 PM

    I stand by you poppabush88. You have sucinctly expressed the your thoughts and opinion based on facts, not emotion. Hey PSU folks, don’t forget that we were flabbergassted back in June 2010 when NCAA COI CHairman Paul “you should run your program like Miami’s” Dee us with the proverbial illegal kick in the groin. We’ve been there done that. Went through the denial and grieving and the cursing and the bitterness, and now …. WE’RE BAAAAACK! arrogant nation that we, USC, are.

    And as tightly run as our compliance office is run, and the NCAA “can’t sanction our end zone” again. There won’t be anything to sanction USC with, as we are clean and tight baby!…. You can call CLK all the names you want, that’s cool. We’re used to being called names, sladering comments, untruths and lies, and the more it comes to us the better. Because all that tells anyone reading this or any other blog post, is that y’all are worried about the “reign of troy” that’s gonna strike again.

    Just keep hating, and blow off some steam. You’ll be redfaced all season if you keep hating us. Wea re ready to dominate.
    FIght On brothers and sisters.
    Beat everybody!

  79. ampatsisahypocrite says: Aug 3, 2012 11:48 PM

    Imagine that, one USC guy standing by another. What are the odds? Unfortunately, your spin story doesn’t hold up — here’s how it REALLY went down, as reported by ESPN in an article called “USC Trojans Coach Lane Kiffin targeted Silas Redd” (feel free to look it up yourself):
    LOS ANGELES — USC coach Lane Kiffin knew he was going to recruit Penn State running back Silas Redd, even before the Nittany Lions’ sanctions were handed down by the NCAA the morning of July 23.

    Expecting “something was probably coming,” Kiffin and his staff examined the entire PSU roster in recent weeks with the goal of finding a potential immediate contributor, he recounted in an interview on ESPN Radio’s “The Herd with Colin Cowherd” on Wednesday.

    “There was only one guy that would really fit, that could come in and really help us,” Kiffin said. “And that was Silas.”

    So Kiffin called Redd’s high school coach, Dan Gouin, and let it be known that the Trojans were seeking a tailback. Redd’s father called Kiffin back the same day and said, “USC was the one school his son would like to look at,” according to Kiffin.

    So there you have it — it was KIFFIN who started the process — it was USC who used a pedophile’s crimes as a recruiting opportunity. If you can’t see how sick and wrong this is, then you need to take off the red blinders.

    So you see, it wasn’t Redd who came up with this idea because (as you all claim) “he always wanted to play at USC.” He got in touch BACK with USC after they contacted HIS PEOPLE first.
    Kiffin even admitted they were going over the PSU roster like vultures, taking advantage of what Sandusky had done to the PSU program.

    Be proud of your school. Be very proud.

    Oh and one more thing — I have nothing to do with Penn State in any way. So that little spin ploy won’t cut it here either.

    Again — what’s worse? The original crime of pedophilia, or someone taking full advantage of it?

  80. ampatsisahypocrite says: Aug 4, 2012 12:09 AM

    And one more time for YOU, papabush:
    Expecting “something was probably coming,” Kiffin and his staff examined the entire PSU roster in recent weeks with the goal of finding a potential immediate contributor…

    Got that? Kiffin looked at the ENTIRE Penn State team — not just Redd. Bit of a difference, huh? This wasn’t about giving Redd a chance to play football, it was about using the whole tragic situation to get ahead. If Kiffin had seen other players he’d wanted, he’d have gone after them too — by his own words.

    Sorry dude, you lose.

    And it amazes me how you miss the point — it’s one thing to invite other players to play for you off regular recruiting violations, as teams did to USC. But it’s another thing ENTIRELY when you use the sexual abuse of young children — that’s a whole different case. That should be hands off for anyone with a shred of decency and morals. The fact that you and your USC buds beats your chest off of landing Redd under these circumstances is TRULY what “disgusts me.”

    Not ONCE did we even get an obligatory “it’s a shame what happened to these kids, but…” out of Kiffin. Or USC fans for that matter — they just care about how their football program profited. And again, isn’t that EXACTLY what everyone busted on Penn State for?

  81. frank booth says: Aug 4, 2012 12:45 AM


    Please stop with the with the silly indignance and self-righteousness. It doesn’t matter if the sanctions were from recruiting issues or the Sandusky case. Had Sandusky been caught and convicted and there was no cover-up, there would have been no sanctions. USC and any other school isn’t capitalizing on pedophilia, but on sanctions leveled at the university for their lack of action. The pedophilia issue was handled by the courts in their conviction of the pedophile, Jerry Sandusky.

    There is nothing wrong, not even ethically, with recruiting PSU kids, as long as the recruiting activity isn’t illegal. The Penn State athletes were given an out, but they still have the freedom of choice to stay at the school. No one is putting guns to their heads.

    The only reason more kids aren’t getting recruited is that most scholarships have been used up. You can believe that guys like Meyer, Bielema, and Saban, would be recruiting PSU guys like crazy if their scholarships weren’t used up, it wasn’t so close to the season, or they saw something they liked.

    I don’t even like USC, but I realize that what they are doing isn’t wrong. Who do you root for? You sound like a 7-year-old whose favorite toy was stolen.

    Trying to accuse teams of capitalizing on sexual abuse is just silly. If that is the basis of your argument, do colleges need to avoid recruits that Penn State is targeting over the next several years? After all, those colleges will have an advantage by offering more scholarships, the potential for Bowl games, and most likely better teams. But if teams pull away potential PSU recruits, aren’t they then capitalizing on Penn State’s misfortune, and thus, as you say, pedophilia? So, by your argument, you are saying that Penn State recruits are off limits until the sanctions are over. Which, of course, is stupid.

    Your argument should go over well with the dopey Penn State lemmings and people with IQ’s under 80, but aside from that, most people are more intelligent.

  82. ampatsisahypocrite says: Aug 4, 2012 1:36 AM

    Aug 4, 2012 12:45 AM

    Please stop with the with the silly indignance and self-righteousness. It doesn’t matter if the sanctions were from recruiting issues or the Sandusky case. Had Sandusky been caught and convicted and there was no cover-up, there would have been no sanctions. USC and any other school isn’t capitalizing on pedophilia…

    Really? And what again was Sandusky accused of? Armed robbery? Jaywalking?

    And would USC or any other school have had this opportunity if not for Sandusky doing what he did in the first place? Really — I don’t see how you could possibly argue with anything I’ve said.

    Intentionally or not, any school that actively recruits and lands a Penn State player IS capitalizing on the situation — are you KIDDING me? You can spin and slice it all you want, but that’s the bottom line. Heck, Kiffin doesn’t even hide this fact, he was on with Cowherd pretty much gloating about landing Redd, the “one and only” player he wanted.

    The trouble isn’t with me, it’s with you USC types trying to have it both ways — landing a key player based off of Sandusky’s acts, but then trying to claiming it has nothing to do with Sandusky’s acts, so you can act like you’re all morally above board and stuff. Sorry, no dice.

    And by the way, this isn’t just about USC, it’s about ANY school that recruited in light of this sorry sad situation — it just so happens that USC was leading the charge.

    And no — going after players Penn State MIGHT recruit in the years ahead (as if we could ever guess their identities in advance) is fine. But that’s a bit different from what Kiffin did, going over the existing Penn State roster, greedily rubbing his hands together, weeks before any sanctions were handed down.

    I notice you don’t want to address that.

    What bothers me isn’t what I’ve said — it’s how apparently comfortable you guys are with profiting from the whole Sandusky situation.

  83. papabush88 says: Aug 4, 2012 2:04 AM


    You’re a bigger cry baby than my 19 month old son, whose brain seems to be more developed than yours. You’re the only one indicting Kiffin and USC. Well, you and maybe some Paterno fans who still idolize him as a perfect god. Just let it go. Kiffin and USC are doing nothing wrong. Nothing immoral. Paterno and Sandusky handled that. Emmert and the NCAA severely punished Penn St. If Redd wanted to stay, he could’ve. Obviously, he would’ve been miserable had he stayed at Penn St. So, according to you, he should’ve stayed and you don’t care if he’s miserable or not. Boy, you sure sound like the shining light of reason and selflessness. Frank booth doesn’t even like USC and he’s not siding with you because your argument is so asinine that it’s even insulting to people with half a brain

  84. ampatsisahypocrite says: Aug 4, 2012 2:24 AM

    No, papabush, you are merely ducking the fact that I totally blew away your lame attempt to defend USC’s actions when you claimed “Before Kiffin even notified Penn State, Silas said he only wanted to play for either PSU or USC.” Well, bud, why won’t you utter a peep about the FACT that Kiffin had actually been going over the ENTIRE PENN STATE ROSTER long before any sanctions were handed down. Why do you avoid addressing this?

    Sorry bud, you don’t get proven wrong, run away from the fact, then come back firing, calling people names like “cry baby.” Again, how do you explain the fact that Kiffin was in fact going over the entire Penn State roster, not just looking at Redd? So now how do you try and spin this, making it seem like Kiffin was doing Redd a big favor, giving him a home out of the sweet goodness of his big heart! Awwwww!

    My problem isn’t even with Redd going to USC — if it HAD been his idea only, and he had taken the first step contacting USC — that I can understand, and would have no problem with. But that ISN’T what happened. My prob is simply with the fact that Kiffin “targeted” him, just as the ESPN article states. And as I’ve said, I have the same issue with the OTHER schools that sought to profit off this sorry situation, too. So, so much for your “I’m just a jealous USC hater” ploy. Sorry, no cigar.

    Bottom line: your school profited off the Sandusky situation. You want to whoop it up landing Redd, fine — but don’t go around pretending there was “nothing immoral” about it.

    And again — explain how it was just about giving Redd a chance when in fact Kiffin looked at ALL Penn State’s players. C’mon, big boy. Are you still going to avoid addressing this fact?

  85. frank booth says: Aug 4, 2012 2:48 AM


    You’re wrong on a number of items. First, I’m not a USC fan, alumni, or any such thing.

    Of course Kiffin planned on going after Redd, and I already addressed that, saying it was perfectly OK for him or any school to do so. No one is doing anything wrong by doing that.

    USC is not capitalizing on pedophilia. They are capitalizing on the sanctions, and offering a player a better opportunity, as well as USC’s program. The PSU players are adults, and they have the choice to stay or leave. Do you understand that? They don’t have to go.

    Are you disgusted by the PSU players that are leaving? They are capitalizing on the situation as well.

    Will you be disgusted by Big Ten and other coaches that will be recruiting next year? If a kid is choosing between Penn State and other schools, those other schools will point out the situation at Penn State and capitalize on their situation.

    The fault here lies with Penn State and certain individuals there, and those parties only. Take your phony self-righteousness and your misguided arguments somewhere else. Penn State isn’t responsible for Sandusky’s pedophilia. They are responsible for their actions in not reporting an incidents, a lack of control, and trying to protect their program. That’s why the program has been sanctioned, weakened, and made vulnerable. That program needs an enema, and my only regret is that the sanctions came out so close to the season that other coaches didn’t have the ability to go after PSU players and clean them out.

  86. ampatsisahypocrite says: Aug 4, 2012 3:21 AM

    Booth — maybe you saw that, but not your bud papa bush — he insists this was all Redd’s idea, and Kiffin was just giving him a home out of the goodness of his sweet little heart. Do you see why I have to call out this nonsense? Even you knew better than that.

    And sorry, you can’t conveniently separate the sanctions and their root cause. By actively recruiting Penn State players, USC (and any other school) are trying to boost their programs off something originally caused by Jerry Sandusky, not Joe Paterno. Penn State didn’t cover up jaywalking, or shoplifting, but in fact sexual assault against children.

    So here’s what I don’t think you thickheaded types get. What have we been hearing for weeks — the “lesson” of Penn State and how horrible it is when you put your football program ahead of all else? How awful it is what happened! How disgraceful! How disgusting!

    So what do these big football schools do in the aftermath? Why, rather than say “we refuse to profit from this stinking cesspool because some things ARE more important than football” they in fact descend like vultures, greedily tearing at the carcass, fighting each other to gorge on whatever players they can land. If THAT’S not putting your football program ahead of all else, I don’t know what is! That’s not “phony self-righteousness” to point out — it’s obvious fact. And the WORST part is, it comes after months of hearing how awful it was what happened at Penn State. And they turn right around and put their own programs first, just like that bad, bad Penn State.

    It’s one thing for the player to leave a program that’s been stripped by sanctions and vultures — that’s not “capitalizing” you fool, that’s simply fleeing a bad situation beyond your control. CAPITALIZING is when you’re the head coach at some other big school, and you swoop in and land that running back you needed to fill that vital roster spot. How on God’s green earth can you not see the difference?

    For the last time — there’s nothing wrong with Redd going to USC — if he’s the one who’s called them up asking to transfer. There IS something morally questionable when the coach at USC is the one to “target” him first — to take advantage of the desperate situation Redd’s been placed in because of the sick Sandusky situation. Again, how can you NOT see the difference?

  87. frank booth says: Aug 4, 2012 4:46 AM

    The root cause doesn’t matter. Sandusky is being punished for his actions. The program is being punished for their actions. Sandusky engaged in pedophilia: Penn State, including the late Paterno, were engaged in a cover-up.

    Say the root cause was recruiting violations and the coach and members of the administration covered them up, and the sanctions were the same. Would you then say that other coaches should should swoop in to recruit existing players? In both cases, whether the cause is a pedophile or recruiting violations, the actions of the coach and administration are the same- an abuse of power and protecting the program. In both cases, it’s putting the football program first.

    By the way, who says you can’t separate the sanctions and their root cause? You? As heinous as the crime is, the sanctions and rules regarding them are what they are. Swooping in to grab recruits does no disservice nor harm to Sandusky’s victims. It only hurts the football program that covered them up, as the sanctions intended. If it affected the victims, I would agree with you, but it doesn’t.

    In fact, if you’re for the victims, and you believe Penn State had a hand in this, then you would want to see Penn State punished to the full effect of the sanctions, which includes coaches pilfering recruits and weakening the PSU program.

    I understand your opinion. I just don’t agree with it. You’re argument falls flat with me.

  88. frank booth says: Aug 4, 2012 4:53 AM

    By the way, one other thing. If a player leaves Penn State of his own volition, wants to enroll at another university, and the football coach offers him a scholarship, isn’t that coach then capitalizing on Penn State’s misfortune? By your argument, that coaches only course of action is to tell the kid that he won’t take him because he doesn’t want to capitalize on the sanctions. And he would be the beneficiary of the sanctions if he took the kid. There’s no way around it.

  89. ampatsisahypocrite says: Aug 5, 2012 12:26 AM

    Booth, the problem is you and the whole crew accuse me of all kinds of stuff, but you don’t actually even read what I say. Obviously I don’t suggest the coach refuse the player if that player has come to him first — here’s what I wrote in a previous post: “My problem isn’t even with Redd going to USC — if it HAD been his idea only, and he had taken the first step contacting USC — that I can understand, and would have no problem with.”

    If the kid comes to another school FIRST and says “I need to get out of here” that’s one thing. But when you go after the player FIRST, when you target a player like Kiffin did, that’s something else — then you are making the EFFORT to capitalize on the situation brought about by Sandusky’s crimes. THEN you are saying, this whole sorry situation is quite the opportunity! Woo too! Like Kiffin did, when he went over the Penn State roster, greedily, before the sanctions were handed down.

    Next time make sure you actually read my posts before you go accusing, mmkay?

  90. frank booth says: Aug 5, 2012 3:36 AM

    I do read. You don’t understand what an accusation is, and you make faulty assumptions. You are useless to debate with, as you take my questions as attacks rather than points of contention, and you ditch the tougher questions. You have zero grasp of logic, so the net effect of that is like trying to speak to a toddler- a genuine waste of time.

    And I’m sorry, but even if a player leaves to go another school, that coach, by taking that player, is capitalizing on Penn State’s misfortune. There is no way around it, effort or not. His only recourse, by the terms of your argument, is to not take the kid. You were against other coaches capitalizing on the sanctions, remember? And even if it is more passive than actively recruiting, it’s still capitalizing on the sanctions. Active recruiting may look worse, but whether the kid is recruited or goes to the school first, the end is the same: the program that gets him profits from Penn State’s loss. That’s just a fact.

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