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Family statement: alleged victim warned about pursuing case against Jameis Winston

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Tuesday, a report surfaced that the investigation of a sexual assault complaint made against Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston last December stalled because the alleged victim stopped cooperating and did not wish to pursue charges.

Coincidentally or not, a statement was released a day later that suggests exterior forces played a role in that decision while at the same time decrying — and raising serious questions about — the manner in which the complaint was initially handled.

In a statement sent to the Tampa Bay Times and attributed to the alleged victim’s family, it was claimed that the accuser’s attorney was warned by a Tallahassee Police Detective that her client’s life “could be made miserable” if she pursued the complaint against Winston.  The detective, the statement claimed, indicated that Tallahassee is “a big football town,” leaving the family to fear that the alleged victim could “be targeted on campus.”

The alleged victim, who was a Florida State student at the time of the alleged sexual assault, has since left school and reportedly moved, at least at one point, out of state.

Here is a portion of the statement, which can be viewed in its entirety HERE:

“When the attorney contacted Detective (Scott) Angulo immediately after Winston was identified, Detective Angulo told the attorney that Tallahassee was a big football town and the victim needs to think long and hard before proceeding against him because she will be raked over the coals and her life will be made miserable.”

The family also claimed that the same detective “specifically refused to collect Winston’s DNA or interview Winston’s roommate who witnessed the (alleged) attack.”  Detective Angulo’s reasoning for that course of action, the family stated, was that taking DNA “would alert Winston (to being a suspect) and the matter would go public.”

However, Winston became aware of the complaint at some point as he retained an attorney.

From the Times:

The family also questioned why Winston’s attorney, Tim Jansen, was told that the case had been closed in February without FSU police interviewing Winston or collecting DNA.

“The family was shocked to hear that Winston’s attorney was not only aware of the case but had been told by Tallahassee Police Department that the case had been closed in February,” the family said. “All the while, the family was awaiting blood work results until early April.”

Winston being made aware of the complaint, the family argued in their statement, allowed his counsel to “create his defense and prepare his witnesses” while at the same time denying that opportunity to the State Attorney’s office, which was forwarded the case last week and has since launched its own investigation.  The state’s attorney, Willie Meggs, was critical of the TPD for the way it had handled the case and intimated that it hadn’t been properly investigated.

A determination on whether the evidence gathered shows probable cause and thus supports an arrest is not expected until this week at the earliest and possibly not until next week, Meggs said.  It should again be noted that, if Winston were to be charged with what would be a felony, he would suspended from the football team by the university.

That suspension would last until the case was resolved.

Because of the open nature of the investigation, both Winston and FSU have declined to comment on the speculation and accusations that have been flying for the better part of a week.

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86 Responses to “Family statement: alleged victim warned about pursuing case against Jameis Winston”
  1. classyjacklambert says: Nov 20, 2013 1:12 PM

    This whole story makes absolutely no sense. First of all her physical description of Winston in the police report was wayyyy off. Secondly, Winston was a nobody last year at the time of this alleged assault, why would people make someone’s life hell over pressing charges against a player that has never played a down?

  2. reefcup says: Nov 20, 2013 1:19 PM

    Actually it makes a ton of sense.

    Female makes an allegation that she was the victim of a sexual assault. Accused is the soon to be starting QB of the local university’s football team, and former #1 QB recruit.

    Female is told not to proceed b/c her life will be made miserable.

    Police inform attorney that represents football players of the allegation. Attorney gets his “ducks in a row” and prepares accused and potential witnesses.

    Female’s family waits for results of blood work for 4 months and then hears that the case has been closed. Also hears of alleged wrongdoing by police.

    Female and family figures out why the police said female’s life would be turned upside down.

  3. frankyvito says: Nov 20, 2013 1:30 PM

    That still makes no sense. Ppl knew Winston was a big recruit, but FSU’s had plenty of those that were never near as big as Winston. Why would the police assume that he would be this big untouchable star back in January?

  4. normtide says: Nov 20, 2013 1:35 PM

    No surprise that this is getting more tangled. I’m not convinced Winston did anything, but if TPD covered anything up, heads will roll. Sexual crimes are only surpassed by crimes against children in my book. False accusations of either should face the same jail time. Justice needs to be served either way.

  5. mrlaloosh says: Nov 20, 2013 1:49 PM

    “Pursing”? Never heered of dat.

  6. fatcamper says: Nov 20, 2013 1:51 PM

    As much as I generally dislike the police, I can’t imagine too many scenarios where they allow a relatively unknown black teenager all this leeway in their investigation simply because he is on the local university football team. Even as an unsympathetic jerk, the thought of sex crimes make me sick to my stomach, and if I were an officer I would be more than happy to arrest a suspect when their accuser specifically identifies them. The investigating officers had nothing to gain by letting him walk if there was any credible evidence against the guy.

  7. mauldawg says: Nov 20, 2013 1:53 PM

    Of course Winston didn’t do it. One day schools will get tired of protecting scum bag football players. The lawyers and police dept will cover everything up. The legal system in America is about as crooked as it comes when protecting so called important people. Victims have no rights anymore. Just look at the “knockout” games being played out by black thugs on non black people. When was the last time this was a “hate” crime?

  8. dhardy8207 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:54 PM

    Well this is just a mess here. Guess this would explain why the attorney representing this possible victim would wait until she’s off campus and out of the area before requesting the case file and evidence detail.

    Hope this gets worked out soon but judging the new details looks like its just really gettting started.

  9. Deb says: Nov 20, 2013 1:57 PM

    According to the family’s statement, the victim’s bloodwork showed she was not intoxicated. If that’s true, this situation is not what it’s been portrayed to be. If it’s true that the detective told her he couldn’t request DNA or take a statement from the suspect because it would alert him to the investigation, that is absolute bull.

    Given that Winston was not a figure of any importance at the time, it’s difficult to understand why the officer would bald-face lie to an assault victim to protect him. And it’s difficult to understand why the former prosecutor representing the victim would accept his excuses for not pursuing the investigation. She had to know the stuff about alerting the accused to the investigation was bogus. Unfortunately for everyone involved, the only recourse now is for the whole matter to be fully re-investigated.

  10. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 2:00 PM

    Accused is the soon to be starting QB of the local university’s football team”

    Which wasn’t even a guarantee until this summer when Clint Trickett transferred because he lost the job to Jameis.

    Sorry but this isn’t Gainesville where the SA Bill Cervone regularly declines to prosecute because of “insufficient evidence.” Meggs always likes to go after the athletes and while the arrests are way down as opposed to years past, the Leon County SAO never just sweeps stuff under the rug just because these are football players. Whether your name is Peter Warrick, James Wilder Jr., Adrian McPherson or Preston Parker, they’ll go after you

  11. bmurray912 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:06 PM

    College football towns (and, as we have seen recently…high school football towns) are the worst.

  12. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 2:09 PM

    And for all you know this may be grand positing by her attorney. Either this girl was actually assaulted by Winston (in which case I pray she gets justice) or she gets to now claim coercion and intimidation to look like a victim all the same. It’s like the people who do stupid crap and then inevitably claim they are receiving death threats in order to deflect negative press. The terrible thing in that case is that, while she would get off scot free – “oops, my bad!” – Jameis is then stuck with a smudge on his record that will never go away. He may be 100 percent innocent but there will always be people who will think he “got off” due to coercion from a football-crazy PD/SAO.

  13. twerkslikeMiley says: Nov 20, 2013 2:10 PM

    @ Deb:

    College football recruits in college football towns are ALWAYS somebody.

  14. normtide says: Nov 20, 2013 2:13 PM

    Grudenthediva- Umm, from the looks of things, TPD is exactly the way you portray the GPD. Nice try, using the “hey, look over there” approach.

  15. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 2:13 PM

    *posturing

  16. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 2:19 PM

    That’s all you have, norm? I’ve worked as a defense attorney in BOTH Leon and Alachua counties. Tell me, have you regularly followed all of the arrests and transgressions that come out of both universities, from the petty violations to the felonies? Your “from the looks of things” seems to encompass this one story, so please refrain from commenting upon issues about which you are grossly unfamiliar.

    Nice try, though.

  17. normtide says: Nov 20, 2013 2:23 PM

    Oh, I’m sorry your honor. I must say, CFT has more lawyers making post then any other football blog. BTW, I’m an astronaut, so I pretty much know everything about airplanes. If you don’t see the accusations about a possible cover up, you may want to retake the bar there Matlock.

  18. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 2:30 PM

    Apology accepted, sonny. No need to call me “Your Honor”; believe me, I have little patience as it is and have no aspirations for the bench.

    “If you don’t see the accusations about a possible cover up, you may want to retake the bar there Matlock.”

    Reading comprehension and logic are your friends. Don’t be scared. If someone is coming and speaking of exterior forces and intimidation, gee, you think they might be setting the table for allegations of a coverup? It’s one of the oldest tricks in the book. You don’t need Barbri induced PTSD to make sense of that one. No need to get salty.

  19. floridascuba1 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:36 PM

    so if she wasn’t drunk, then she is really screwed as she won’t be able to explain a mismatched description of the suspect. Its no where near what Winston looks like. And I find it hard to believe it takes 4 months for blood test. The whole time line makes zero sense.

  20. gquesen says: Nov 20, 2013 2:37 PM

    So Urban Meyer leaked it? Man, no one knows anything about this case. I don’t know if he did it or not. But people come
    to this sight acting like they’re an authority on the subject. And the people accusing Urban Meyer of leaking this are just pathetic.

  21. ajarkoski says: Nov 20, 2013 2:50 PM

    There is plenty of history of cover up in favor of athletes and things of race, so this has to be looked into. No accusations, just some detective work and see if there is a case. If Winston is innocent, then he provides his DNA. That is what any honorable, innocent person would do.
    If he comes up with a story that explains his point of view, then it is he said she said.

    This could also be a shakedown for a settlement against the future money this guy might make in the NFL. But this also could be a cover up of a crime. I do not think the fact that he hadn’t been a known big time athlete at the time means anything. All football players might be protected. This police detective might not have been an FSU fan so you would have to show he knew. Has to be investigated.

  22. thraiderskin says: Nov 20, 2013 2:51 PM

    Thumbs up to you normtide, the Matlock line killed it.

  23. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 20, 2013 2:57 PM

    Nothing in this story points any further to Winston being guilty or not, but it does show that TPD may have gone out of their way to protect the FSU football team instead doing their jobs.

    If this is true this detective HAS to be fired.

    One interesting thing I did hear today… if an active FSU player is even CHARGED with a felony, they are no longer eligible to play.

  24. teambringitstrong says: Nov 20, 2013 3:02 PM

    mauldawg says: Nov 20, 2013 1:53 PM

    Of course Winston didn’t do it. One day schools will get tired of protecting scum bag football players. The lawyers and police dept will cover everything up. The legal system in America is about as crooked as it comes when protecting so called important people. Victims have no rights anymore. Just look at the “knockout” games being played out by black thugs on non black people. When was the last time this was a “hate” crime?
    ————————————————————
    Ahhh yes. Must be terrible having all that anger, resentment and white guilt so deep inside.

  25. Deb says: Nov 20, 2013 3:10 PM

    twerkslikeMiley says:

    @ Deb:

    College football recruits in college football towns are ALWAYS somebody.
    —————————————————
    You’ll have to excuse me on that. I landed at Mizzou as a lifelong Bama fan and diehard Steelers nut. Walking around campus the first time and seeing all the black and gold, I swear my first thought was “Gosh, there are a lot of Steelers fans here!” It never really felt like I was in a college football town the way it does when I’m in Tuscaloosa :)

  26. thraiderskin says: Nov 20, 2013 3:14 PM

    Isn’t white guilt when a white person allows unfair or discriminatory practices to persist in benefit to a minority over guilt of historic past wrongs?

  27. sillec28 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:16 PM

    To any objective observer it’s been obvious all along that the Tallahassee Police tried to cover this up to protect FSU and its future star QB (for people who don’t follow FSU football, getting Winston was a huge deal in Tallahassee, he was far from just an ordinary recruit). Why else would the police sit on the case for a year, and then the day after the media started asking about it finally turn it over to the States Attorney?

  28. reefcup says: Nov 20, 2013 3:23 PM

    I am wondering when a “news” source is going to request for the emails between police department and whomever was contacted within the athletic offices. FSU does not employ their coaches through a private athletic association and therefore they are employees of the State.

    Their emails and texts are subject to “sunshine” laws.

    How did Winston know to hire an attorney before he had been named as a suspect or anyone had requested an interview or his DNA?

    How is he paying that attorney? For those interested the attorney is a Florida grad – which is ironic since if charged Winston would miss the Florida game.

    Interesting that Winston has refused to provide a DNA sample. If there is nothing to hide, then why not provide the sample?

  29. gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:26 PM

    grudenthediva:

    You’re the idiot who blamed this on Meyer! Now it is the victim and their people who are setting up a story about exterior forces and intimidation. Which one is it? You don’t seem to connect dots very well and I pray I never need you to represent me.

    Funny, you’re a defense attorney and didn’t know that the victim wan’t drunk and after all your postulations YOU have no clue what happened, like the rest of us.

    There is a timeline which will be very interesting that even you will not be able to dismiss. Like when people were contacted by Winston’s attorney for “support” testimony. Maybe you can explain something else Matlock, Winston seems to deny even being with the girl. That seems odd to me. These cases are usually “he said, she said” trials. In a college town it would seem to me that a jury would usually find someone innocent of these charges. It would be easier just to say “consensual” sex but he’s not. That seems odd to me. And if it was not him, you would think he would want his blood taken and proven innocent?

    Furthermore, since you are such a conspiracy expert let me lob one at you. Obviously the attorney for Winston has been contacting everyone who knows him. That would definitely include the whole FSU team for an alibi. So I guess Fisher and the FSU administration didn’t know of all this. Very doubtful and will be interesting see how this effects FSU.

    I wouldn’t worry to much about Gainesville and start worrying about how this may tarnish FSU.

    It’s ridiculous for all the fans from different schools to come on hear and trash another program or team. Cheating and protecting athletes are rampart on every major college in this country and not one program is innocent, that includes Florida.

    All you idiot conspiracy experts need to stop watching your copy of the Zupruder film looking for the 2nd shooter, and get a life!!

  30. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 3:27 PM

    “Why else would the police sit on the case for a year, and then the day after the media started asking about it finally turn it over to the States Attorney?”

    Depends on the perspective. Some might say there was intentional police misconduct. Others may say basic negligence (i.e., the police failed to perform their due diligence by not timely submitting the case to the Leon County SAO), or the police department declined to investigate further due to simple lack of evidence. Now, Willie Meggs has this brought to his attention and it’s up to him whether or not to file the information.

    Willie’s a political creature, as are a lot of these SA’s. For every upstanding one like Mark Ober (the Hillsborough/Tampa SA), you get guys like Willie and Angela Corey, the prosecutor appointed to the Zimmerman case. Whether or not these allegations are true (and depending on what report you read, Jameis is either a prime suspect or barely even a witness), you can bet that Meggs is going to take advantage of every opportunity he can get to be heard and seen.

  31. realfootballfan says: Nov 20, 2013 3:29 PM

    Sounds like the family setting up for a civil lawsuit. The burden of proof is way lower than a criminal trial, which is pretty remote to happen especially since it took a month for the victim to identify Winston as her attacker.

    And for the guy talking about “black thugs” get a life dummy. Go run your racist nonsense somewhere else.

  32. floridascuba1 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:37 PM

    I assume Winston was a big name on campus at the time. One would believe, the “victim” would have known who Winston is. According to the statement from the Victim’s Attorney, (http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2013/PDFs/winston.pdf) They didn’t leak it and wanted to put it behind them and move on. But in the same breath want to know why it took so long for it to continue. And is any of this he said she said between victim and detective documented?

  33. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 3:41 PM

    Hi, gator. Hope you were able to calm down a tad after that very interesting post.

    Yeah, I have pegged Urban as the one who leaked this info. Do I have proof? Nope. Does it reek of the crap he pulled with the Cam Newton academic transcripts? Absolutely. I think he’s a duplicitous scumbag and I wouldn’t doubt for a second that he would stoop to such tricks.

    That being said…let’s go through your points, shall we?

    “Now it is the victim and their people who are setting up a story about exterior forces and intimidation. Which one is it? You don’t seem to connect dots very well and I pray I never need you to represent me. ”

    Two different points there, chief. First, let’s assume that someone (Urban, Manziel’s dad, Elvis, Astronaut Saban up there) did leak this to TMZ. That’s completely different than the possibility that this statement about exterior forces and intimidation could be setting up a play for a civil suit. One dot involves how the story was released to the media, the other involves a tactic which is more often than not used by a defense in hopes of setting up grounds for a later civil action. The two are completely unrelated. Got it? Good.

    “Funny, you’re a defense attorney and didn’t know that the victim wan’t drunk and after all your postulations YOU have no clue what happened, like the rest of us. ”

    I’m sorry, but when did I say she was drunk? I’ve never posted anything in the affirmative or negative concerning her sobriety. Furthermore, read everything I have posted here concerning the case. Look at words like “may be,” “whether or not,” “might say,” and “depending on.” Do those sound like definitive postulations? Yeah, didn’t think so. I have no idea what happened, just like you, but if you want to discuss legal tactics and strategies, I’m your huckleberry.

    “There is a timeline which will be very interesting that even you will not be able to dismiss. Like when people were contacted by Winston’s attorney for “support” testimony. Maybe you can explain something else Matlock, Winston seems to deny even being with the girl. That seems odd to me.

    The internets have released about ten different “timelines” there, chief. How about we wait and see more of the facts before we start latching our bandwagons to one over the other. Fair enough? If your client even THINKS that someone is going to start lobbing accusations at you, and seriously devastating ones at that, why the hell wouldn’t you start looking for support affidavits? To you it looks fishy but hell, if I know I had nothing to do with the crime and there are others who can back me up, you’re damn right I am going to get those people on record as soon as possible. Ever hear that old saying “better safe than sorry” or “better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it?”

    ” These cases are usually “he said, she said” trials. In a college town it would seem to me that a jury would usually find someone innocent of these charges. It would be easier just to say “consensual” sex but he’s not.”

    And yet I’m the one being ignorantly labeled “Matlock?”

    “That seems odd to me. And if it was not him, you would think he would want his blood taken and proven innocent?””

    I hear this a lot. You know, it’s really easy to say “just give them the swab/blood/urine if you’ve got nothing to hide” when it isn’t your body/life/case. I

  34. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 20, 2013 3:48 PM

    @reefcup

    Those are very good questions you ask.

    “Interesting that Winston has refused to provide a DNA sample. If there is nothing to hide, then why not provide the sample?

    What if he had consensual sex with her…? Then the DNA would match and he would be further deemed guilty in the court of public opinion. Plus I’m of the belief that you shouldn’t give up that type of data about yourself without a court order.

  35. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 3:48 PM

    Thanks, CFT!!

    (CONTINUED)

    when it isn’t your body/life/case. It isn’t that your question is wholly unreasonable, it’s just that it isn’t quite as cut and dry as you would like to believe.

    “Furthermore, since you are such a conspiracy expert let me lob one at you. Obviously the attorney for Winston has been contacting everyone who knows him. That would definitely include the whole FSU team for an alibi. So I guess Fisher and the FSU administration didn’t know of all this. Very doubtful and will be interesting see how this effects FSU.”

    The entire team for an alibi? Yeah, no. Character witnesses incase of a suit where his character can be put into question? More likely. Maybe (again, look at that word – not conclusive at all!) Fisher and the AD knew of the events that transpired and their legal team, well aware of the situation and performing their own due diligence, came to the conclusion that the issue wasn’t heavy enough to eventually come to trial. Maybe they knew that the charges were likely to be dismissed and that Winston’s involvement was not likely to result in charges being filed.

    “It’s ridiculous for all the fans from different schools to come on hear and trash another program or team. Cheating and protecting athletes are rampart on every major college in this country and not one program is innocent, that includes Florida.”

    Yeah, cause Gator fans NEVER pull that card whenever an FSU player gets into trouble. Spare me.

    To everyone else aside from this guy and Neil Armstrong up there, I apologize for the long responses. I just have a thin skin, admittedly, when it comes to pissants trying to put words into my mouth or act like internet toughies trying to denigrate my comments as opposed to just, oh I don’t know, disagreeing and discussing like civil people. Not a hard concept.

  36. floridascuba1 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:53 PM

    @grudenthediva

    I have actually been intrigued by your responses and keep coming back more then I normally would to see what you will post next.

  37. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 3:55 PM

    Thanks, scuba. Very kind of you.

  38. jhagman99 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:56 PM

    Ho-ly crap. Just back away, gatorfan…you got ethered. Damn.

  39. gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:58 PM

    grudenthediva:

    Thanks for admitting that like the rest of us, YOU have no idea what happened! Just a fan who hopes your QB didn’t do it so he can play in the NC game-Thanks.

  40. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 4:00 PM

    I’ll take that as an admission of “no contest,” because I never said that was my primary concern (my primary concern is justice – whether it’s the victim’s or that of sparing an innocent man from a smear campaign or prison). Thanks for playing!

  41. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 4:02 PM

    @reefcup

    “What if he had consensual sex with her…? Then the DNA would match and he would be further deemed guilty in the court of public opinion. Plus I’m of the belief that you shouldn’t give up that type of data about yourself without a court order.”

    Very astute.

  42. realfootballfan says: Nov 20, 2013 4:02 PM

    Also from what I’ve been told, Winston has already submitted to DNA testing last week.

  43. reallythinkhere says: Nov 20, 2013 4:03 PM

    Whether there was a crime committed and who did it is a question the courts have to figure out. It is obvious that the girl in this situation felt victimized and that is unacceptable no matter who did it or if it was technically illegal. Nobody deserves to have their name dragged in the mud (accuser or accused) if they did not do something wrong but I hope their is a thorough unbiased investigation to determine what truly happened to this girl.

    These he-said she-said situations are tricky to find the real truth of. Just look at what has been going on at Navy…

  44. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 20, 2013 4:12 PM

    @reallythinkhere

    The problem is now that it will be very difficult to run an accurate investigation of Jameis Winston.

    So much time has passed. Winston’s roommate should have been interviewed back in January when he was first accused.

    Winston has had time to prep witnesses if necessary, and make sure stories align if needed.

    I’m not saying that Winston is guilty by any means, just that IF he was, he definitely has the upper hand on any investigation now.

  45. sw19womble says: Nov 20, 2013 4:17 PM

    There are two parts to this:

    The Police Department are guilty of incompetence, at the very least. The detective might have been just letting the world know that if she goes forward with her complaint, to expect the worst from the College (not necessarily the PD).
    Nevertheless, the delay in filing/burying the case is totally unacceptable – both for the alleged victim and the accused.
    I don’t know any further details, so I won’t comments.

    Whether Winston was involved or not, it’s going to be very difficult to prove. I think there’s way too much time gone by – if it goes to court his attorney will just use the Chewbacca Defense, not to mention the ‘private’ blood test etc…etc…etc…

    Unfortunate all round, but thanks anyway to gruden for the detailed posts above!

  46. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 4:19 PM

    ” if it goes to court his attorney will just use the Chewbacca Defense, not to mention the ‘private’ blood test etc…etc…etc…”

    Wookiees don’t live on Endor!!!

  47. gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:19 PM

    grudenthediva:

    Sorry but you won nothing. By the way, do you have proof that Meyer released Newton’s transcripts or another one of your conspiracy theories.

    Bottom line, you can dress up your retorts any way you want. You only care about whether Winston is eligible, and could care less what it does to FSU’s image.

    By the way, I have been posting here for years. The one thing I have always done is criticize my school for inappropriate behavior and have taken Meyer to task.

    Hopefully you can do the same if the outcome is detrimental to Winston and the team. We shall see!!

  48. gquesen says: Nov 20, 2013 4:28 PM

    Gatorfan1

    I’m just glad I’m not the only one cringing at the Urban Meyer BS. Especially when people are making (not funny) jokes about his made up involvement. It really speaks to the lack of sensitivity people have about a VERY serious topic. Everyone needs to reserve judgement until this thing is resolved.

  49. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 4:29 PM

    Oh my God, this guy…

    Proof about Cam? Nope. A lot of smoke from some Bull Gators? Ohh yes indeed. Yeah, my loathing for the guy clouds rational judgment sometimes. Sue me (actually, no…I’m actually a nice guy and wouldn’t wish that upon you).

    Keep assuming I just want the guy eligible and nothing else. Nothing in the record here backs you up, and it’s a pretty weak and flailing attempt at a comeback. If they come out with definitive proof the kid committed a crime, I’m gonna be the first guy here saying they need to boot his ass out of school, erase all references to “Jaboo/Famous Jameis,” and throw the mf’in book at him.

    The End.

  50. gquesen says: Nov 20, 2013 4:35 PM

    “Omg this guy” seriously? Good, I’m glad your coming around. Your missing the point. Just bringing Urban Meyer in the first place was disgraceful. Sorry if your pissed that people are calling you out.

  51. sdemp says: Nov 20, 2013 4:36 PM

    Looks like we got this all figured out. . . but if Mr. Winston needs an alibi I’ll be more than happy to take the blame for a small sum. Even though I’m white I do believe that I fit the “victims” description of her “attacker” much better than Mr. Winston.

    For college football fans across the nation hopefully Mr. Winston is innocent and PROVEN innocent.

  52. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 4:37 PM

    I really couldn’t care less about that. I wasn’t even the one who brought him up here in the first place. I’m just shocked that so many non-OSU fans are quick to defend the guy.

  53. gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:37 PM

    grudenthediva:

    Well this failing attempt as you so say is really quite factual. Your position, maybe because you a defense
    lawyer, seems to always have a defense for Winston. If you were fair and balance you would certainly have to agree, that based on the newest reports today, something is very amiss. Everyone who supported your so called theories have now posted that this should get another look.

    You on the other hand cleverly, or so you think, immediately come out with a statement as to why you think the “victim’s’ defense” is setting something else. Could it be this person is actually telling the truth.

  54. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 4:51 PM

    “Your position, maybe because you a defense
    lawyer, seems to always have a defense for Winston. If you were fair and balance ”

    Oh, you mean like…

    – Either this girl was actually assaulted by Winston (in which case I pray she gets justice)”

    Or maybe me coming out and saying that we don’t have ALL the facts and need to just slow it down a bit, and that I would be the first person here to disown the kid if it came out that he was in fact guilty. So what if I am sitting here offering reasons for Winston’s possible strategy and defense? It’s my wheelhouse. Does it mean I automatically discredit the alleged victim, doubt she was assaulted, or think she’s subjecting him to malicious prosecution? Haven’t said that, either.

    Regardless of whether it’s due to today’s “news” or not, something has been amiss since day one…not day one after TMZ leaked the story, but day one of this investigation LAST YEAR. Is she lying? Is Jameis lying? Was he a witness or the alleged perpetrator? Did TPD cover it up? Did the SAO fail to do their jobs?

    We. Don’t. Know.

    “You on the other hand cleverly, or so you think, immediately come out with a statement as to why you think the “victim’s’ defense” is setting something else. Could it be this person is actually telling the truth.”

    Read. Again. Please.

    “And for all you know this may be grand posturing by her attorney. Either this girl was actually assaulted by Winston (in which case I pray she gets justice) or she gets to now claim coercion and intimidation to look like a victim all the same.”

    If you want fair and balanced, make sure to also go after the people immediately claiming the report to be ironclad proof that FSU is up to no good, since you’re very keen on arrogantly doing so to someone who just happens to throw out another theory as to what this tactic could, and very often times does, possibly mean.

    “Could it be this person is actually telling the truth.”

    Maybe they are. Maybe they aren’t. Hey, here’s a radical thought – let’s entertain BOTH theories!!!

  55. realfootballfan says: Nov 20, 2013 4:55 PM

    For those saying there would be no ground for a civil suit, I wasn’t thinking of Winston but rather the city of Tallahassee as the defendant.

  56. gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 5:14 PM

    grudenthediva:

    Great! Finally see you’ve come around. Let’s entertain both theories. You might want to review counselor:

    Since the 15th century, Lady Justice has often been depicted wearing a blindfold. The blindfold represents OBJECTIVITY, in that justice is or should be meted out objectively, without fear or favour, regardless of identity, money, power, or weakness; blind justice and impartiality.

    I see nothing here about Urban Meyer.

    See that was easy! Thanks for playing though.

  57. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 5:41 PM

    Are…are you a parrot? Or maybe Urban’s scorned nephew who didn’t quite make it past Santa Fe?

    I mean, I get why you keep wanting to bring up Urban to deflect from the rather sizable boot print left upon your hindquarters as it pertains to all the Winston stuff. However, if you can’t even distinguish between bitter, scorned sarcasm when I’ve all but admitted I can’t see the guy impartially, at least insofar as it concerns his attitude toward opponents, and true Urban objectivity that would be best served for civil discussion and non-message board trolling, then you, good sir, are a lost cause. This is what we like to call “diminishing returns.” I mean, if thats the hill you want to die upon, be my guest.

    And please, spare me the lecture about Lady Justice. I’ve got lots of debt and lost years off my life learning about that material. Leave it for the big boys there, kiddo.

  58. gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 6:21 PM

    grudenthediva:

    You are kidding right!! Meyer was brought into these posts about Winston by you, so you could deflect. This never had anything to do with Meyer or Florida but you tried to make so.

    The bottom line is Meyer kicked FSU’s a** while
    at Florida and won 2 NC’s and you can’t stand that! At this point you’re no different than a lot of fans at major programs, including Florida. Which I find despicable, by the way.

    You only care about what goes on the field, and will do anything to say you have as many NC’s as Florida. Damn the girl!

    BTW: Did you know that Bowden is the only coach with over 200 wins at a major university that has a losing record to his 2 biggest rivals!

    This is a football blog and you’re not here to be “impartial” and talk legalese, you’re here to take shots at a bitter rival! Nothing more or less. So nothing YOU say is objective, have the cojones to admit it.

  59. floridacock says: Nov 20, 2013 6:25 PM

    I smell Urban Myers

  60. chinahand11 says: Nov 20, 2013 6:34 PM

    I just wonder wth is wrong with the “victim’s” attorney, to let this drag on. It doesn’t make sense to just let it go for a year. There is apparently (dum dum DUM) more info to come.

    And gatorfan and gruden diva you two guys stop it and have a beer together! But good writing from both of you and thanks reefcup too.

  61. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 6:35 PM

    Wow. It’s like he’s a glutton for punishment. I swear, it’d be comical if it weren’t so sad.

    The first mentions of Urban Meyer in this here thread. Drumroll, please…

    gquesen says: Nov 20, 2013 2:37 PM

    gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:26 PM

    Dun dun DUNNNNNN!!!

    “The bottom line is Meyer kicked FSU’s a** while
    at Florida and won 2 NC’s and you can’t stand that! At this point you’re no different than a lot of fans at major programs, including Florida. Which I find despicable, by the way.”

    Considering it’s where I got my grad and law degrees, I actually enjoyed the titles.

    “You only care about what goes on the field, and will do anything to say you have as many NC’s as Florida. Damn the girl!”

    Again, you keep harping on that non-existent point when I’ve repeatedly said I want justice if he, or anyone else, is found guilty. Cry me a river, you bleeding heart.

    “BTW: Did you know that Bowden is the only coach with over 200 wins at a major university that has a losing record to his 2 biggest rivals!”

    Yeah, that’s gonna happen when you don’t duck one of the premier teams in college football, Miami, for a couple decades. Ouch!

    “This is a football blog and you’re not here to be “impartial” and talk legalese, you’re here to take shots at a bitter rival! Nothing more or less. So nothing YOU say is objective, have the cojones to admit it.”

    Are you KIDDING me? This entire POST, not the blog, the POST, is concerning a LEGAL issue involving a CRIMINAL investigation concerning a college football player, the STATE ATTORNEY’S OFFICE OF LEON COUNTY, and the TALLAHASSEE POLICE DEPARTMENT. Are you THAT much of an obtuse idiot to act offended that legal issues are being discussed here? If it easily confuses you, by all means go and sit back at the kiddie table, but if not then offer your two cents instead of acting like a scorned lover and then crying like a little puss when you get your crap shot down. Holy God, if I had people like you in depos and on the stand, I would have my student loans paid off by the Sugar Bowl.

    And if you’re calling my reference to Bill Cervone a shot at the Gators, you seriously need to just hop back into the bed you and Astronaut Jones have made for yourself, because even the BIGGEST GATORS can be objective when it comes to the guy. He NEVER pursues charges and inevitably even the most scandalous of crimes get shot down with the “dismissed due to insufficient evidence.” Most REAL Gators hate that because it only furthers the stereotype that there’s no accountability in Alachua County, and that Jeremy Foley and the coaches run the joint. Look no further than all the crap slung at the school when the Aaron Hernandez crap started surfacing earlier this year.

    Epic troll FAIL.

  62. b0geyman says: Nov 20, 2013 6:35 PM

    What’s the big deal, it’s not like he traded a jersey for a tattoo or anything.

  63. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 6:38 PM

    “I just wonder wth is wrong with the “victim’s” attorney, to let this drag on. It doesn’t make sense to just let it go for a year. There is apparently (dum dum DUM) more info to come.

    And gatorfan and gruden diva you two guys stop it and have a beer together”

    Hell, I’d be all for it if the guy would just take his lumps and then have a civil discussion. His knuckles have to be tired from beating down the brick wall (okay, I keed…no more jokes).

    As for your first statement, it could be several different things. Statute of limitations and perhaps the victim’s attorney wanted to take her time with strategy and interviews? Maybe they’d declined to pursue it until the case came to the media light recently, or the victim was too distraught to pursue it until enough time had passed for her to recuperate from the trauma? There’s just too much being left out to know for sure.

  64. normtide says: Nov 20, 2013 6:41 PM

    No one is buying the nothing to see here, move on tactic. Either Winston did something very wrong or this female did something just as wrong. Winston deserves a clean reputation if he us innocent. There is also a lot of issues coming out that may show TPD did something very stupid. I hate to tell Gruden, but this isn’t going away on it’s on.

    At this moment, I think Winston is innocent. In that case he needs his name cleared. That still means something to me. If this female lied, made a false police report, and put forever speculation on Winston, there should be consequences for her. Here is an Alabama super-fan telling you that there are things more important than football. I’m alsoa father and human being. I use this to punctuate a point to my sons. Avoid being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. Accusations like this, even if fully proven false, will always follow you.

  65. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 6:42 PM

    Okay, the frosty Shipyard brew train has arrived in the station. Now everyone’s my friend.

  66. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 6:45 PM

    norm, nothing you just said is anything I don’t believe myself. I agree 100 percent (see people, it’s not so impossible). If it isn’t meant to go away, I don’t want it to go away – if he did something wrong, IF, I want it pursued. No football game, no athlete is worth the integrity of my institution, no matter what the potential payoff.

  67. chinahand11 says: Nov 20, 2013 6:45 PM

    That was sort of my point, grudendiva, there’s too much left out of this little show. I would think the attorney would know that the TPD shelved the case and done something about it before now. Yes there is the trauma, PTSD factor (if applicable here) and possibly someone just round-filed the paperwork accidently. Like everyone else, I want to see what happens, know what happened.

    BTW I’ve been a diehard Noles fan, but I’ve always respected the Gators. I used to date a Gator fan and graduate, and we’d wear our respective jackets to the games. We didn’t fight like – well you and Mr. Gatorfan1, in fact quite the opposite. Woo woo!

  68. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 6:47 PM

    china, I respect them because I have five UF grads in my family and I grew up watching them from the time Terry Dean was at QB. Hated them while I was in Tallahassee and hated them even more when I went to school there, because so many people take a friendly athletic rivalry to places it should never go. I’ll pull for them just as I would any of my teams, so long as it isn’t the last Saturday in November, that is :)

  69. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 6:49 PM

    And we’re probably due one more angry post from gatorfan but seriously, norm and I see eye to eye, so why not everyone else? Seriously. Barbs and frustrated cracks aside, all of us are bringing good points to the table.

  70. normtide says: Nov 20, 2013 6:56 PM

    Gruden, never mistake arguing with hate, or even dislike, on my part. Debate can lead to great outcomes. I’ve had arguments with super, and consider her a friend here. I get bored with people who I only where with, to be honest.

    As for Bama vs FSU, if that happens, I would only want both sides at full strength. May the best team win. Absolutely no shame in losing to a great team. I just hope Bama can make it to the game. A great Auburn team and a really tough environment still stand on our way. It won’t be easy. Then a great Missouri or South Carolina in the CCG. Best of luck to you and your team.

  71. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 6:58 PM

    Cheers, bud. I want Bama because to be the best, you have to beat the best. I wouldn’t feel right playing anyone else.

    Unless it was Ohio State, for obvious reasons :)

  72. condor75 says: Nov 20, 2013 7:00 PM

    mauldawg says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:53 PM
    Of course Winston didn’t do it. One day schools will get tired of protecting scum bag football players. The lawyers and police dept will cover everything up. The legal system in America is about as crooked as it comes when protecting so called important people. Victims have no rights anymore. Just look at the “knockout” games being played out by black thugs on non black people. When was the last time this was a “hate” crime?
    Im guessing you were there. It also appears someone needs to get out of his moms basement and stay away from the Klan rallies

  73. sportsguy3434 says: Nov 20, 2013 7:14 PM

    Again, was he 5’11” as you described or 6’4″ as he stands? If they have dna, then IF Winston is charged I hope he gives a dna sample right away if he really is innocent. These are two facts that are pretty straight forward.

  74. goodfieldnohit says: Nov 20, 2013 7:20 PM

    But did he sign any autographs?

  75. gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 7:49 PM

    grudenthediva:

    You need to get off your high horse ego. You did no a** kicking as you want to believe. You proved me right. You had no proof about Meyer, in your line of work that would mean innocent.

    This case took a series turn today and most people on this board realize it. I don’t believe anyone will say such foolishness regarding Meyer again concerning this case. Maybe you will, but that would be “par for the course” with you.

    The sad part is you really tried to come on here and use your status as some sort of judge and jury and claim impartiality. That’s the furthest from the truth, your a homer for FSU and that’s OK. I only tried to point that out, which I did.

    Let’s hope if this trial ever does get prosecuted, more professional lawyers, than you, will be in the court room.

    Lastly, don’t you worry, I will always respond to your obvious bias in this case.

  76. erockfox says: Nov 20, 2013 8:44 PM

    How come the police haven’t investigated Al Sharpton? He’s black, 5’10 (which fits the description) and he has straight hair.

  77. doggeatdogg says: Nov 20, 2013 9:06 PM

    Maybe she doesn’t know how to estimate height and weight in a person, that’s not unusual. She didn’t know the attacker but the room mate is a witness. Where was she attacked. A dorm? That’s confusing. If the room mate witnessed this event, what does he have to say?

    I think Winston’s team may be waiting until after the season is over to pursue this thing. He will provide DNA. If it was him, obviously it will match and he will claim it was consensual. Just like the Kobe case.

  78. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 9:10 PM

    You all are my witness: tried to let it go but Ol’ Custer here still wants to wander around aimlessly, punch drunk and delirious. If this were a trial, provided he wasn’t laughed out of chambers, he’d have gotten out one mention of Urban before being slapped down by a relevancy objection. Can’t respond to anything so he just keeps grasping the “bias” blanket like a mental midget. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Pat yourself on the back, cause here’s to you, Mr. Internet Watchdog. Norm and I can see eye to eye like adults but you? Yeah, pretty clear that you’re still my b*tch.

    And with that, ladies and gents, goodnight. That includes you too, Polly Pissypants.

  79. grudenthediva says: Nov 20, 2013 9:16 PM

    Oh and another thing…

    “Lastly, don’t you worry, I will always respond to your obvious bias in this case”

    So you’re gonna follow me around like a lapdog just to troll my comments?? Yeah, that doesn’t make you sound lame or anything. By all means, nip at my heels. Very masochistic of you.

  80. luxinterior78 says: Nov 20, 2013 10:07 PM

    @everyone

    “BTW: Did you know that Bowden is the only coach with over 200 wins at a major university that has a losing record to his 2 biggest rivals!”

    Yeah, that’s gonna happen when you don’t duck one of the premier teams in college football, Miami, for a couple decades. Ouch!

    More than ouch, that’s brutal because it is true. For about 13-14 years starting in the 80’s UF avoided UM like the plague!

  81. jhagman99 says: Nov 20, 2013 10:07 PM

    Wow, this is still going on? Gator keeps getting worked silly and he still keeps goin back to the woodshed for more. It’s like Alabama v. Chattanooga bad.

    Props to you, gruden and norm. I like classy Bammers like you and Deb. I heard they had a presser tonight in Tallahassee but nothing much was said. It’s only gonna get weirder from here.

  82. gatorfan1 says: Nov 20, 2013 10:43 PM

    grudenthediva:

    Once again you are way off base. You only backed off about there being two sides after I torched your a** and made you look like a cad, but enough about you.

    All surveys and studies have shown that most women have been sexually molested in some form. I challenge any of you to talk with wives, girlfriends and especially daughters. Many of you have have wives who never let you know what really goes on when they are at work. Try talking to your daughters and truly ask them what happens when they go to parties. Do you really think they tell husbands and dads? For all you dads with daughters, if your daughter gets drunk, she really can’t be raped; according to what happens in most of the court rooms where a girl is drunk. Just remember that when you make these posts!

    Furthermore, would you rather be a defense attorney that has a report that says a victim is drunk, or a prosecutor with a report that there was sex. Look how these posts are going. Most people who said the report reported her drunk automatically assumed she was at fault. And let’s face it, if she was drunk, this case is done; no matter the circumstances.

    grudenthediva, your supposed to be a steward of our great legal system. Most people already condemned the girl and with reasonably thinking, I would think a person in your position, would be an advocate to wait and see what the facts say. But as you said, you tried to be sarcastic about Meyer and his role. Wow too funny under these circumstances. More disturbing was your supposed “impartiality” on giving one reason after another about why Winston would be innocent but never offering a “possible” defense of the girl.

    You certainly don’t own me, but sadly you and a cabal of lawyers and judges either now own, or have hijacked the judicial system; and made it very difficult for ordinary people in this country to get fair and reasonable equity in the courts. It’s why your profession gets such low marks from the public. Finally, I feel sorry if you are married or have a daughter. Good luck to them I guess!

  83. angelheartsbuckeyes says: Nov 21, 2013 12:35 AM

    ESPiN just a that his DNA is a match.

    What a sad and tragic situation all the way around.

  84. boomgrounder says: Nov 21, 2013 4:26 AM

    It doesn’t really matter what she estimated his height at, she told the TPD it was Winston who sexually assaulted her. I can tell you right now my wife and daughter wouldn’t know 5’11 from 6.4″. They are both dyslexic that couldn’t guess 10 feet from 10 yards. Some people just don’t have the ability to estimate height and weight closely. It’s not uncommon. The fact that the victim was portrayed as intoxicated and was not is a major deal in this case. The TPD and City Manager in emails have nite she was drunk and I believe that is the main reason they thought they could just sweep this under the rug. The detective tried to scare the victim into not pressing charges due to the “Big Football Town” is not surprising. Especially when you see the emails where the City Manager sent TPD about her being drunk. They were going to try to embarrass her if she did press charges. The fact that TPD tried to convince her not to press charges and withheld evidence from the State Attorney leads me to believe they had a reason to not want this case to go forward. That does not bode well for Winston. Also the TPD may face Obstruction of Justice charges as it seems they have shared evidence with Winston’s Attormey but did not share this evidence with the State Attorney in a sexual assult case that was technically in the TPD’s own words still open.

  85. todahouse says: Nov 21, 2013 5:51 AM

    As an FSU fan I can assure you Winston was far from a nobody in Tallahassee last year. The kid has been super hyped since he signed with them & he was on the baseball team. while something does sound fishy in this story, her lawyers comment holds a lot of weight. there’s always that “good ol boy” network no matter where you go.

  86. pglht says: Nov 24, 2013 12:19 AM

    In this country “Rape” can be defined as a guy having a one night stand with a chic and promising to call her..if he doesn’t then she can claim rape.

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