For those looking for some semblance of a smoking gun in the Jim Tressel situation, today may be your day.
In the press conference announcing a two-game suspension that would ultimately become five for failing to disclose information that at least two of his players had likely received impermissible benefits, the Ohio State head coach laughably stood on a stinks-to-high-heaven “confidentiality defense” as an explanation for squatting on the information and failing to inform his bosses of the situation.
Tressel had received emails beginning last April from a Columbus attorney and former Buckeyes football player stating that two his current players — later learned to be quarterback Terrelle Pryor and wide receiver DeVier Posey — had been selling OSU memorabilia to the owner of a local tattoo parlor in exchange for money and/or discounts at his shop. Tressel claimed that he had not informed anyone at the university of the information he had in his hip pocket because “confidentiality” was requested by the sender. That “confidentially” defense was obliterated when the actual emails came to light and revealed “confidentiality” wasn’t requested until the second email was sent, a full two weeks after the first.
Now comes a damning report from the Columbus Dispatch which further proves just how much of a sham Tressel’s public stance really was.
According to the Dispatch, and citing multiple unnamed sources, Tressel forwarded the emails he had received last April to Jeanette, Pa., businessman Ted Sarniak. Sarniak has been Pryor’s mentor for the past several years and served as the point man in the quarterback’s recruitment.
A public-records request has been made by the Dispatch for emails that may have been exchanged between Tressel and Sarniak. The university is reviewing its records in an attempt to comply with the request.
The paper also writes that Tressel “shared the information with someone he thought could help his star quarterback even though he said he didn’t tell his bosses.”
So Tressel thought it to be more important to share information about potential NCAA violations with a person outside of the football program — at least we think he’s outside of it; the school made sure to let the paper know Sarniak is not a booster — than it would be to inform his employers that at least two of his players had likely committed NCAA violations? And he did this even as he thought there was a “confidentiality” agreement in place with the original emailer?
If it’s proven that Tressel shared the information he had about potential violations with someone outside of the program while at the very same time keeping it from the people inside of it that actually needed to know, the university should be livid at their head coach for putting them in this situation. And that’s on top of any residual livid feelings they may have for Tressel lying to them and the NCAA on at least different occasions. Livid enough, though, to do what’s contractually their right?
“Are you kidding me? I’m just hoping the coach doesn’t dismiss me.“
Yeah, silly us. What were we thinking?
Guilty as proven and claimed. The rest are just details for article fodder. Lack of discretion, intentional or not, has been shown to all.
JT is quite skillful in his strategy though.
Let the hits and bantering between OSU and SEC fans commence. Round 6 – ding ding ding
This is all getting old….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
I wonder how many pairs of shoes Jimmy has. There are more to drop!
i’m presuming this isn’t what mz#### (or mrz#### whatever the username is) was referencing when he/she stated that something was going to come out which made tressell look like an angel, because this just makes tress’ horns a little longer and sharper to me.
Dead Man Walking!!!!
tryagainplease, this has nothing to do with what will come out.
This just keeps getting worse for the guy and I think that the NCAA will pile on as these revelations keep coming out. I doubt that anything will happen to him because of the school but the school is definitely going to have something happen to them because of him. I wonder if Tressel will allow Gee to vacate the wins when the NCAA comes calling.
If G Gordon doesn’t step up and fire the coach I bet the governing board of the University will fire both of them. Ironically, that would mean “the coach dismisses” him.
78lion – then tell us what will come out or stop with the lies, jim.
Didn’t claim that the big item has anything to do with daOSU. It doesn’t.
The NCAA investigation of OSU/Tressel just took an interesting turn with Sarniak’s inclusion. OSU doesn’t want the NCAA snooping around Jeanette.
78lion- good, now that’s better (less blurry) info- another nibble please?
I wouldn’t necessarily say this is a smoking gun. If anything, it makes Tressel’s defense that, at the time of getting the e-mails, he was more worried about the type of people his players are hanging out with more than potential NCAA violations a lot more plausible.
Whether or not you choose to believe his reasoning, this certainly does show some merit to that defense (although at the same time damning his confidentiality defense). He received an email that stated 3 major points: a) This tattoo parlor owner is under federal investigation for a bevy of possible crimes (including drug trafficking, gun possession, tax evasion/fraud, etc.), b) this guy is known to have personal ties to multiple current and former football players, and c) as part of the investigation, a large amount of OSU memorabilia was found that was believed to be obtained directly from OSU athletes – specifically, Devier Posey and Terelle Pryor and possibly others.
By forwarding that information to TP’s mentor and father-figure, it can be argued that he was looking out for the well-being of TP much more so than potential eligibility concerns. Although we don’t know the details of that e-mail (we will soon enough), its reasonable to assume that Tressel was informing/warning TP’s mentor about the ‘crowd’ he’s hanging out with.
Now I’m not trying to claim this is anywhere close to being a good excuse – but its not nearly as damning as this article makes it out to be. OSU and the NCAA were already fully aware of the e-mail being forwarded, and I would predict that it will not have a large effect on their deliberations.
It’ll be much easier to dismiss Tressel with Urban Meyer available.
Just resign NOW and fade away into the sunset.
neyvit says:
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OSU and the NCAA were fully aware of WHAT emails being forwarded? If they were aware of ANYTHING, it was because they were either tipped off by someone else or they found out themselves through their own investigations because it certainly wasn’t Tressel who made them aware of anything. As for your convoluted excuse, it wasn’t what Tressel used. His excuse, as John pointed out, was that he didn’t make the U aware because of confidentiality issues but again, as John pointed out, he didn’t seem to have those same concerns when he forwarded the emails to a guy who had far less reason to know about the issue than the school. If he didn’t forward it to his bosses, who NEEDED to know all this because he was worried about confidentiality then why in the hell would he forward it to someone who has no business knowing ANY of this. There is nothing defensible about Tressel’s actions because he not only didn’t take the correct action, he feigned ignorance until he was forced into fessing up. He was more concerned with his win totals than he was the players.
This is a smoking gun? It might be more proof that the confidentiality excuse was bogus, which we all knew from the day after the press conference, but it looks like Tressel was making an effort to steer one of his star players away from damnable behavior via a mentor the player trusts.
When he was asked at the press conference if he had forwarded the emails on to anyone else, he nodded yes. Sarniak must have been the guy. This hardly seems like it will cause anymore harm to his case than he has already done by dropping the confidentiality B.S.
Hell, the NCAA might not like that he went behind their backs, but it’s proof he was actively making moves to stop Pryor’s involvement. And that burns every claim by people on this site and dozens of others that Tressel sat idly while his players kept selling their memorabilia. At least he did something.
@edgy
It’s hard to have reasonable discussions with you when you consistently either completely misunderstand what people write or just choose to ignore it. Honestly, it sometimes feels like you are trolling on purpose.
OSU and the NCAA were aware of the e-mail being forwarded at the commencement of this investigation — meaning that none of this is new information for them. OSU informed NCAA of all these e-mails at the time they found out about it in Jan/Feb. This is news now because it is in the public, but its not news to the school nor the NCAA investigators.
I explicitly stated that it wasn’t a good excuse, and I explicitly stated that it significantly hurts the ‘confidentiality’ defense. My whole point is that this will likely NOT have a significant impact in the case going forward because it does not imply further coverup on an institution-wide level and helps support Tressel’s claims that he was worried about the players (even if you dont believe it which you are entirely entitled to do). To make this easier for you to understand: if it was found that Tressel forwarded the e-mail to ANYONE within OSU, then that would be a HUGE smoking gun and likely lead to more severe sanctions against the program. This is not the smoking gun that many media members are looking for.
neyvit says:
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Honestly, it’s hard to have a real conversation with tOSU apologists, who seem to think that Tressel shits corn flakes that they can eat for breakfast. Your facts are bull. If you believe that the school and the NCAA were aware of this from the very beginning then you’ve been putting your head in the sand for a long time because that’s NOT the case and to say that is so shows that either you’re not paying attention OR you’re ignoring the facts. Hell, he as much said that he didn’t forward the emails to his bosses because he was concerned about confidentiality. If he shook his head yes about forwarding the emails, it WASN’T about forwarding them to his bosses because he DIDN’T. He sat on that information for 9 MONTHS. That is NOT in dispute.
The fact that you believe “that it will not have a large effect on their deliberations.” shows that you either don’t have a clue or that you’re wishing in one hand and pissing in the other and looking to see which one fills up first. He not only lied about the fact that he wasn’t aware of all this when it first went down, he also lied that he was concerned about confidentiality when he FAILED to report, never mind, forward the email, that something was going on to his bosses when he was willing to send this email to someone who had NO reason to know about this before his bosses. This hurts his whole argument and gives the NCAA more to work with. My God, the SEC crapped all over Bruce Pearl for lying and you can bet that the NCAA will be giving the Volunteers something to think about when it’s all said and done and the violation that started all of that was a SECONDARY violation.
neyvit,
“If he shook his head yes about forwarding the emails, it WASN’T about forwarding them to his bosses because he DIDN’T. He sat on that information for 9 MONTHS. That is NOT in dispute.”
You have been told by OSU and Tressel that neither the emails nor any conversation about having them, made it to OSU. Believe what you want. Personally, Smith isn’t clean in this by any stretch.
The West Coast sports hosts and dung beetles were not wrong. This is another revelation and they said there would be more. If the rest of what they have said is true, there will be other revelations concerning coverups on other violations. None of this makes Tressel look better and keeps the story out there longer and longer and longer, which is not to Tressel’s advantage and is not pleasing to OU and its many faithful fans.
Tressel will resign, not be fired, though the sponsors of OU are putting pressure on the university at this time, so it may be “we will allow you the honorable way out, you can resign.” Tressel may be able to negotiate a softer landing resignation. Whatever the case, he will resign and OU will search for the best coach to put the program back together and get it to the next level.
For many years OU has worked hard to obtain the best athletes from the South. They have had disappointing results. A coach familiar with the South and with winning the BCS, and with a name and reputation for winning would be very attractive to replace Tressel…Urban Meyer will be considered and if things work out on both ends, will be hired.
@edgy
I really don’t know how to make this any simpler for you. Maybe if I just repeat what I said, it’ll finally stick: “OSU informed NCAA of all these e-mails at the time they found out about it in Jan/Feb.” This is not a smoking gun that shows an institution-wide coverup. But please, spend another 1000 words arguing a point that I’m not even disagreeing about.
@78lion
It doesn’t matter what I do or don’t believe. When the NCAA investigates, they will need more than random message board speculation that there was a wider cover-up for them to impose the ‘death-penalty’ on the program. You have every right to believe that they did, but the NCAA will require a preponderance of evidence to come to same conclusion. My personal belief has just as little bearing on the outcome as your personal belief.
Not an apologist, just a reminder of the timeline here:
– APR’10: Tress gets word of “possible” violations. At this point, the information Tress gets indicates potential issues that he should have reported. At some point, Tress forwards some of this information to a mentor of TP’s.
– ’10/’11 NCAA Football Season: Tress keeps information to himself and doesn’t notify tOSU or NCAA of “possible” violations.
– NOV/DEC’10: NCAA finds players guilty of violations and imposes punishments on players.
– JAN’11: tOSU finds evidence of information Tress has, confronts Tress, and then Self-Reports to NCAA
– MAR’11: leaks become public.
Now everyone wants to mix the timeline up and act like the violations were known in APR’10. Remember that in APR’10 they were still allegations. Tress didn’t play players that with known violations – he played players with alleged violations.
The news coming out today of the forwarded emails is just becoming PUBLIC, that doesn’t mean that the NCAA is just finding out. What we don’t know is if the NCAA was told of these emails back in JAN. People act like the news coming out to the public is also news to the NCAA investigators.
Tress is in a LOT of trouble – deservedly so. And I’m not defending his actions in any way. I’m just saying that people need to quit jumping to conclusions and let’s just wait and see what the NCAA has to say.
SCREW KIRK HERBSTREIT!!!!!!!!!!
At some point, the adults in charge at OSU will grow tired of this embarrassment and put and end to it from Gee on down to Tressel and everyone in between.
miller43334 says:
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You can dress it up all you want but he was informed of what WERE violations back in April and he kept it from his bosses BUT he forwarded the email that he said he couldn’t forward to his bosses because of confidentiality.
A lot of this WAS news to the NCAA. Let’s not forget that he signed a letter that said that he knew nothing about this UNTIL he was informed when he knew about it 9 months before and didn’t tell his boss OR the NCAA and don’t you think that the NCAA wouldn’t have been so quick to allow his players to participate in the $ugar Bowl if he had made them aware of all of this?
neyvit says:
@edgy
I really don’t know how to make this any simpler for you.
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Ok, here’s how you do: “I admit that I’m an apologist for tOSU and that no matter how much truth is put in front of me, I will not believe whatever evidence that there was about Tressel and his knowledge of events and how he lied and covered up those lies until he was finally caught red-handed by the university and that he NEVER forwarded any emails to his bosses but only to a guy that had no business knowing university business.”
As the VEST tightens !!!!!!!!
BTW, here’s something from Adam Rittenberg. Pay close attention to his last sentence:
Jim Tressel violated NCAA rules by not sharing emails that warned his players were in trouble with officials at Ohio State.
But the Buckeyes’ coach reportedly didn’t keep the information all to himself.
The Columbus Dispatch reports Friday that Tressel forwarded emails from a Columbus attorney to Ted Sarniak, described as a mentor to Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor. The emails stated that Pryor and an Ohio State teammate had been selling memorabilia to a local tattoo parlor owner under federal investigation.
Jim Tressel forwarded emails about his players’ troubles to Columbus attorney Ted Sarniak, who has a relationship with Terrelle Pryor, but not to OSU officials.
Tressel nodded when asked at a March 8 news conference if he had shared the emails with anyone. He didn’t elaborate — athletic director Gene Smith quickly swooped in — because the NCAA is still investigating the case.
Ohio State didn’t confirm Tressel’s forwarded emails, telling The Dispatch it won’t comment until the NCAA investigation is over. The school’s compliance director, Doug Archie, acknowledged Pryor’s relationship with Sarniak, saying the businessman from Pryor’s hometown of Jeannette, Pa., was the quarterback’s contact person during recruiting but isn’t considered a booster.
“Mr. Sarniak and Terrelle Pryor have been friends for a number of years, and their friendship dates back prior to Terrelle’s enrollment at Ohio State,” Archie said in an email to The Dispatch. “As the friendship developed, Mr. Sarniak is someone who Terrelle has reached out to for advice and guidance throughout his high-school and collegiate career.”
Archie said the university thoroughly examined the relationship between Sarniak and Pryor before the nation’s top college recruit arrived on campus as a freshman in 2008.
“The university continues to monitor the association between the two in case any concerns arise,” Archie said.
Sources said that Sarniak has served as Pryor’s mentor at the request of his family, and Tressel thought that Sarniak could help counsel the quarterback after Tressel realized that Pryor was among the players involved with a man under federal investigation.
This development doesn’t help Tressel or Ohio State as the NCAA continues to investigate the case. It brings a new person into the equation, someone outside the program whose connection to Pryor will be closely examined (despite Ohio State’s vetting). You’re probably going to hear a lot more about Sarniak. Pryor’s high school coach, Ray Reitz, tells The Dispatch: “Teddy has done a lot for Terrelle, and Terrelle has done a lot for Teddy.”
It still amazes me that Tressel didn’t share any of this with his Ohio State colleagues, seemingly trying to diffuse the problem quietly. Perhaps he really thought this would never come to light, despite knowing about the federal investigation.
Unfortunately for Tressel, this story is far from over, and the NCAA will be under pressure to hit the coach with strong penalties for his behavior.
edgy:
You state exactly why Tress is in a LOT of trouble, and why tOSU has already implemented punishments on Tress, and why I suspect the NCAA will bring more punishment on Tress.
I just want to remind folks that just because we hear something today, doesn’t mean that the NCAA just heard about it today.
Alleged violations are serious matters and should be reported to the compliance dpt. We know this didn’t happen and Tress is obviously involved in purposely not reporting. But let’s not automatically say that Tress played players that he knew were ineligible. He purposely covered up information that may have proved them ineligible, but that didn’t make the players ineligible at the time.
I’m sure that there are allegations of violations at every major program. But allegations don’t always pan out as guilt. There still exists due process (even in the NCAA). Just because a player is accused of a violation doesn’t mean that you can’t play them.
It’s obvious that Tress’s actions impacted how/when the NCAA ruled. And I’m sure that Tress will be held accountable for those actions.
Personally, I hope Tress serves his punishment at tOSU and is retained as the Coach. At this point, I’m waiting for the NCAA to finish it’s business and tell us the rest of the story and let us know just how deep this goes, and how severe the punishment will be.
edgy uses one man’s opinion to try to state his “facts”
maybe edgy missed the part about osu and the ncaa knowing he forwarded emails to certain ppl, I mean it was in the article
edgy, did you only read the last line because the attendant in your nursing home took away your computer?
this is new news to us and quite honestly who gives a flying flip if the ncaa found out today or before us. they obviously didn’t know at the time tress forwarded the email so it’s still damning to tress, osu, etc.
miller43334 says:
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I hate to tell you this but he DID play players that he knew were ineligible. By the very words of FORMER Buckeyes, they were told by the compliance department that what the players did WAS illegal and Tressel should have known that. He also knows (and so does Bruce Pearl) that lying to the NCAA is a MAJOR violation and he knowingly signed a letter that WAS a major violation. He KNEW when he got that letter that the players had committed violations because they were violations then as they’re violations NOW. He chose to keep that a secret when he knew full well that those players had to be disciplined, as the NCAA did the players from North Carolina that eventually cost many of them at least a half a season. Butch Davis and the school didn’t take a chance with them and sat down a significant number of his players (and cost themselves the chance to win their division of the ACC) and let the NCAA clear the way (or not) for the players to return. Had Tressel made the school aware of this, I have no doubt that they would have done just as North Carolina did and not gone through the convoluted exercise that they did before the $ugar Bowl. Tressel thought more about his own record than he did the school or the players — plain and simple. Tressel made tOSU look like a bunch of hypocrites for preaching about how clean they were when they were taken in by the coach who put his personal agenda above the good of the program.
edgy:
Here’s where you’re wrong. Allegations and even some degree of evidence doesn’t automatically prove guilt. Tress had allegations and some amount somewhat convincing evidence, but he didn’t KNOW that they were guilty because he purposely chose to not follow-thru to find out.
I’m not taking issue with the fact that Tress purposely took actions to withold evidence and information from tOSU and the NCAA. But I’m not ready to convict him of everthing he’s accused of because I’m not in a position to have all the information that the NCAA is considering. I’ll perfectly accept whatever punishment the NCAA doles out.
And I completely agree with your comparison to NC. It’s too bad that Tress didn’t do the right thing.
Maybe, BEG, you don’t understand the facts. The intent of the question wasn’t to illicit a response from Tressel that he forwarded the emails to ANYONE (read a person NOT connected to tOSU) but that he forwarded them to the school and/or the NCAA and he MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT. As noted by John and other sources, “Those emails were discovered Jan. 13 of 2011 during an unrelated search by the school.” In other words, genius, he NEVER forwarded these emails to the school OR the NCAA and that it was the school that found out about it without his help. I didn’t say that he didn’t forward the email but that he didn’t forward them to the school or the NCAA. If you can see anything differently from that statement in what I said then I reiterate “Big-10 ed-u-macation, ain’t what they claim it is.”
Furthermore: “Coach Tressel,” OSU’s report to the NCAA reads, ”received emails from an attorney that provided specific information about two-student athletes selling memorabilia to a local tattoo parlor owner. These emails also indicated that one student-athlete may have received free and/or discounted services at a tattoo parlor. Although Coach Tressel had the information, he did not inform institutional officials.” Even the very institution that refused to put its foot on his throat won’t lie and say that he did the right thing. He clearly kept this to himself and NEVER forwarded the information to the people that NEEDED to know but INSTEAD, forwarded it to a guy that had no business knowing (and if you could read, you’d see that I’ve said this several times).
As John said, Tressel claimed that he didn’t inform his bosses of the violation because of “confidentiality” BUT as John points out, he did inform a person who had no business knowing the schools business of the violations without regard to confidentiality. THAT is going to get him in deeper trouble than just not reporting it. On one hand, he came up with an excuse as to why he didn’t inform his bosses but then with the other hand, he forwarded the damn evidence to someone who didn’t have a right to that information. The NCAA is most certainly NOT going to be agreeing with your take on this, buckwheat.
Wow…this thread has the longest posts ever…got to be a CFT record.
miller43334 says:
Here’s where you’re wrong. Allegations and even some degree of evidence doesn’t automatically prove guilt.
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You can dress it up and call it anything but it’s still lipstick on a pig. He KNEW it was going to be declared a violation and AT BEST, he was OBLIGATED to report it. Think about it: if it was as innocent or as innocuous as you might want to think then why didn’t he just report it? Could it be because he knew, as he should have, that this was a violation?
BTW, BEG, Adam Rittenberg isn’t a person that you can accuse of being anti-Tressel. For him to express these opinions should show you how much this is going to hurt the school.
Email to Sarniak:
I thought you were taking care of Terrell? How come he needs money? What happened to all the money we gave you?
BTW – please delete this email, as I don’t want to get caught.
JT
Pride, honor, integrtiy
Email to Sarniak:
I thought you were taking care of Terrell? How come he needs money? What happened to all the money we gave you?
BTW – please delete this email, as I don’t want to get caught.
JT
Pride, honor, integrity
edgy:
Put it this way and I’ll agree:
He KNEW it was likely to be declared a violation and he was OBLIGATED to report it. Why didn’t he just report it? Because he didn’t want to know the answer.
I’m an alumni of tOSU and my oldest daughter is a current student at tOSU, and I’ve bought season tickets for the past two years. I’m still a Tress supporter, AND I think his punishment is due. Whatever the NCAA imposes is absolutely justified.
Jim Tressel is like the Energizer Bunny: he keeps lying and lying and …..
miller43334: We agree with you. Tressel made this so much worse than it ever would have been apart from his involvement. If he had not sworn that he did not know any additional information on this matter, it would be much better for him and for Ohio State and all its faithful and good alums and students.
From reports we have received, it appears that some talk is already going forth, that if this does not blow over soon, and if it appears that further revelations are coming forth and the NCAA cranks up a major investigation, that Tressel will be allowed the honorable way out, resignation, with somewhat of a soft landing by negotiation.
This is quite terrible for OSU, a great university and one of the top athletic programs. Our hearts go out to you and all true Buckeyes.
miller43334,
Of course, since he was a NCAA-certified head coach, he already knew the answer and didn’t want to deal with it. The problem should have been taken care of last year and I would bet that if the school had given them two or three games LAST year, the NCAA would have accepted it and they could have moved on but now, they’re going to lose this time and the school will probably lose a bowl in the next couple of years (as well as wins from last year).
I wonder if the OSU fans will force the Columbus Dispatch to relocate to Tenn.?
Q: What’s the difference between Tressel riding an “outlaw” Harley and a Electrolux vacuum cleaner?
A: The position of the dirtbag!
From Bud Shae, Plain Dealer”
Then Gee stuck out his chin even further.
“The integrity of this program and the integrity of this coach is absolutely superb,” Gee said.
you white folks are unbelievable this makes tressel look like he was tryin to protect pryor how?ya’ll are dumber then i thought first of all if he already did the illegal sh*t what is he gonna protect him from other than given him a chance to cover his and the 5 players slimy tracks and for him to not be suspended cuz he thought they could win a national title thats it period all this other nonsense that all of you dumbasses are talkin about is a joke?his obligation from that point on is not to treat him like a baby once you break the rules all bets are off you are supposed to do right by the university which will still be there after his four years are up.bruce pearl just got fired for basically the same thang but the weasel in the vest still gets to coach what a sham
Maurice Clarette defends “Tress”…
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“After all… Coach ALWAYS went snowblind whenever I drove by… and, ya know, NEVER looked in the trunk of my ride! You feel me?”
What started out as a few players selling items most people might think were their own has turned into a greater moral issue. And the issue with Tressel, likely a pretty decent man, has unfortunately also obscured some even bigger issues than a coverup. Things like armed robbery for example. Is he going to be the NCAA’s Nixon in a Sweater Vest?
http://wp.me/pKBYM-v3
edgys last post just shows he’s a troll, just putting quips in to illicit a response
doesn’t your sister need you by her side instead of here acting like a jacka**?
I pity your sad existence edgy
And the sad thing in this, especially after going through this mess as a UT fan with Pearl, if the coaches just did the right thing and told the truth, these stories wouldn’t be on here.
Nothing good comes from lying, overtly or by omission.
Go Kentucky!!!!!!!!!
Goodbye, Mr. Tressel. I hope you enjoy golf.
FYI,
Ohio State just lost another game to a SEC team. Though I know it’s not football, I think it’s worth mentioning.
How’s that number one seed treating you now? Again, Ohio state chokes against SEC competition.
gamustangdude: You are right. Another THEE Ohio State University and SEC competition that the tOSU lost. Get ready for all the Buckeyes to attack you (and maybe us as well) as haters and give thumbs down. They have a very good university, one of the very best research universities and one of the top athletic programs in the country but usually are not up to the highest level of competition that the SEC provides.
@southernpatriots
I hope they will!!!! They’ll call me a troll, dumba**, and a multitude of other things. However they won’t call me wrong.
@gamustangdude: Have fun with it! Maybe at some point, “tOSU” will hire one or more of the best coaches, be able to recruit from the top tier of talent from the South, and become relevant once again, oh, for a moment, we thought we were discussing Notre Dame! The same goes there as well. (Get ready for the avalanche of apologists!)
They might call you wrong, but you won’t be!
whoops gaymustangdude got the sport wrong lol
and did you do no research and see that all time OSU has a winning record against the SEC
its a good thing one of the writers for the southernpatriots family (who cannot seem to make multiple profiles…..is there a learning curve?) stoked your embarrassing ego……plus dude, your easy to find out about on the internet lol
What saddens me, BEG, is that you’d rather pick on a woman who is probably twice the man that you’ll ever be than actually debate the issues.
What’s even funnier is that when confronted with evidence that you choose to put your head up your ass rather than actually admit that you’re wrong. If being a troll means telling the truth then I plead guilty and wear that title proudly. Now, why don’t you wear your title of cowardly moron who likes to pick on women with disabilities with the same pride that you take in tOSU.
wow if you read what I wrote you’d know that was an insult on you and was hoping that she gets better, but again you chose to read nothing and just decide things
“Jim Tressel is like the Energizer Bunny: he keeps lying and lying and ….. ” says edgy
“In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory or extraneous in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response”
congratulations, you earn your title
BEG, did I lie in that statement? I suppose that IN YOUR MIND, I did but I didn’t. The lies just keep coming…
wow edgy there is truly no conversing with you, stubborn, obstinate, and stupid……….dont worry Im done wasting my time with you, dont even comment me back, I dont want your trolling to leek onto me
Pot=kettle and while I rarely do this to anyone, leAk..
@the school girl
OSU leads what SEC series? Keep dreaming. What ever data you got to support read the small print next time. Those wins came against schools who are now in the SEC however wasn’t when they played OSU. If you look at the teams you are apart of the SEC while they played OSU you’ll have crow for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Give it up, Ohio State is a punching bag for the SEC. I.E., you are my b**ch!!!
Keep looking me up on the Internet, I know I inspire you.
haha im glad you know you are wrong, have no facts but choose to say you are right
hows your squirrel soup tasting right now, its sad you didnt even earn an SEC education lol its crazy theres not much less than that, but amazingly you somehow got it
boom boy!! come crawlin to daddy after you get done with your sister southern boy
oh and by the way, please get a job mustangdude
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/644990-ohio-state-basketball-history-favors-the-buckeyes-over-kentucky
for your reading pleasure my lady
hows it taste?
Well whatever helps take the edge off. UGA is in the SEC that’s my Alma mater. Look up that record while you’re busy eating crow. I like how you divert to individual schools instead of the SEC. Next time stay on topic
Oh BTW I got a job, I can even help you get a better one. Just let me know when so I can come up there and kick those c**ks out your mouth to help you swallow reality better!!
lol you graduated from georgia
now it all makes sense, does your job make enough to afford a double wide or is the single all thats available
hows it taste?
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Apparently, Kentucky’s inability to read cost your team a victory because if they could read, they’d have realized that they had no chance. Of course, none of those match ups ever led to a national championship and this year’s game was no different. I’d say better luck next year but I think that their best player will probably declare for the draft.
lol you are truly stupid edgy
mustanghomo said that the SEC owned the record
in all time and in the tournament OSU has the record advantage
how did you miss this old man?
BEG, I don’t give a flying buckeye about your argument with him. My comment was concerning Ohio State choking against a team that they should have beaten by double figures. The 61% of the guys at that site that said that Ohio State would win must be scrambling to figure out how to pay rent next week because they probably bet their house on Ohio State winning it all and they choked again. I guess you still can’t read because I didn’t mention anything except that article. Boob.
hey edgy what do all of your friends think of you?……oh nevermind
BEG, they think that you’re an immature jerk. I don’t treat them like I do twats like you who seem to think that picking on a person who is handicapped is fun. BTW, my sister has her middle finger up and it’s for you.