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Report: DNA ties Winston to alleged victim

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A sample of Jameis Winston‘s DNA has tied the Florida State quarterback to the woman who had filed a complaint of sexual assault last December, ESPN.com‘s Mark Schlabach reported very early Thursday morning.

An analysis of the sample, which Winston recently provided to law enforcement, was completed Tuesday by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the results of which showed that the odds the DNA came from someone other than Winston to be one in 2.2 trillion.  Winston’s sample matched the DNA found in the alleged victim’s underwear, which was obtained via a sexual assault kit after she filed a complaint with the Tallahassee Police Department.

As of Thursday morning, ESPN is the only media entity reporting on the results of the DNA analysis.

In a statement released Wednesday, the alleged victim’s family named Winston as “the perpetrator” in what they described as a rape; the fact that Winston’s DNA is tied to the alleged victim does not prove sexual assault, only that there was some type of physical interaction between the two at some point prior to the rape kit being taken.

The statement had also blasted the TPD for failing to obtain a sample of Winston’s DNA at the time of their investigation into the Dec. 7 complaint.

That case, which was considered “open-inactive” because it was claimed the alleged victim stopped cooperating with authorities, was forwarded 11 months later to the Florida state’s attorney’s office, which has reopened the investigation.  It’s unclear at this point how the DNA report will impact the pace of the probe or when a final decision on whether to charge Winston, or anyone else for that matter, with felony sexual assault.

Until then, the controversy and possible charges — charges that likely wouldn’t be filed until next week at the earliest — will continue to hang over the head of a young man who is considered the Heisman front-runner and leads the No. 2 team in the country — and the head of the alleged victim.

“I’m not stupid,” state’s attorney Willie Meggs told Schlabach prior to the DNA report. “It is a young man whose life is in a fish bowl right now. I think about that. There’s also a young girl whose life has been turned upside down and her life will never be the same, either. We look at it and say, ‘Which one of those is most important?’ Both. It is a search for the truth and the truth is kind of elusive sometimes.”

CFT has reached out to Meggs’ office for comment but has not yet received a response.

UPDATED 10:02 a.m. ET: The attorney representing Winston, Tim Jansen, confirmed to the Tallahassee Democrat that his client had “voluntarily submitted to a DNA test,” although he did not specify when that sample was taken.  Jansen added that he has not seen a copy of the DNA report.

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  1. madtownthrowdown says: Nov 21, 2013 6:23 AM

    Mr. Wright will be on here defending his boy Winston momentarily.

  2. buzzbeaubank says: Nov 21, 2013 6:47 AM

    Sorry, Willie, but the fish bowl is not relevant to the truth.

  3. gatorfan1 says: Nov 21, 2013 6:55 AM

    Where is our resident pen… uhh I mean genius defense attorney!! Come out come out wherever you are grudenisadiva.

    Urban Meyer did this: Wrong

    Meggs is trying to make this political: Fail

    Best one: They don’t cover things up in Tallahassee like Gainesville: Epic Fail

    Wow! Since it took a month for her to identify Winston I want to see how you explain this one Matlock? Consensual! But I won’t run to judgement like you. Let’s see how this plays out, but do you really feel Meggs shouldn’t at least take a look at this now?

    You’re an idiot and whatever you do don’t let anyone know who you are-regardless of outcome you are a moron and missed on every one of your “eductaed” assumptions so far. I’m not even a lawyer and I got closer than you.

    The way this is going, you’re not going to able to represent people in traffic court!

  4. gquesen says: Nov 21, 2013 6:58 AM

    Mr. Wright was oddly absent for yesterday’s marathon between the gruden defense lawyer guy and that Florida fan.

  5. planck16 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:06 AM

    What is it about the Panhandle of Florida that brings the creep out in people?

    I truly believe that this relevation will bring a felony charge. A woman claims something and there is DNA in her underwear is pretty strong evidence to fight or at least not charge!

  6. madtownthrowdown says: Nov 21, 2013 7:08 AM

    Planck16- Its gotta be something in the water.

  7. jaydm84 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:21 AM

    DNA is pretty convincing evidence he was in those panties. Now it becomes a he said-she said whether it was consensual. I’m sure their will be some type of plea deal. Question is, do they arrest him before or after bowl season?

  8. jaydm84 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:21 AM

    There*

  9. madtownthrowdown says: Nov 21, 2013 7:25 AM

    Considering FSU has no one on there schedule for the remainder of the year, this could be bad in terms of a Natl’ Championship game. FSU will surely go undefeated from here on out with or without Winston. But when they play (most likely) Bama in the Natl’ Championship game, they would get crushed. It would be like last years Championship game.

  10. sanduskyshowerspecial says: Nov 21, 2013 7:28 AM

    Duh, I would expect that from consensual relations

  11. bigbuckeye76 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:46 AM

    Uh Oh Jameis! Here comes a classic “she said..he said.” I wouldn’t worry too much FSU fans….it’s not like he sold something for a new tatt.

  12. psly2124 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:47 AM

    This just got very serious. Not good news for Winston. Winston’s original statement to police will be critical. Only three people know what happened and its for the courts to decide. But I would not want to be Winston. His lawyers better be drawing up some sort of future earnings settlement.

  13. thefiesty1 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:49 AM

    Where is Abernathy and Jesse Jackson? They are picking on one of their boys.

  14. planck16 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:53 AM

    I can see Jameis squinting from the witness stand saying “I don’t recognize that girl!”

  15. Slim Charles says: Nov 21, 2013 7:56 AM

    Considering FSU has no one on there schedule for the remainder of the year, this could be bad in terms of a Natl’ Championship game. FSU will surely go undefeated from here on out with or without Winston. But when they play (most likely) Bama in the Natl’ Championship game, they would get crushed. It would be like last years Championship game.

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    Or, you know, it could be bad because a woman got raped.

  16. madtownthrowdown says: Nov 21, 2013 8:03 AM

    nah that couldn’t have anything to do with, could it? Maybe that’s why i put in terms of the Natl’ Championship game. But thanks for pointing that out, I wasn’t sure if a person being raped was good or bad.

  17. insley29 says: Nov 21, 2013 8:07 AM

    1 in 2.2 Trillion? So you’re telling me there’s a chance…

    –Lloyd Christmas

  18. overratedgators says: Nov 21, 2013 8:08 AM

    That gosh darn Urban Meyer. Can’t believe he snuck into Jameis room, roofied him, jerked him off in his sleep, saved his semen, called the so-called “victim”, and conspired with her to plant Jameis man-seed in her underwear. Is there ANYTHING Urban Meyer won’t do?

  19. rascalmanny says: Nov 21, 2013 8:17 AM

    The president said that if he had a son, he would look like Winston.

    Bring out the Hoodie Nation to defend their brotha. It’s Bush’s fault.

  20. pgilbert2013 says: Nov 21, 2013 8:19 AM

    Mac Brown can now say that he knew Winston was a bad seed, and that’s why Texas passed on his talents.

  21. grudenthediva says: Nov 21, 2013 8:20 AM

    Surprise surpise, I wake up to the morning news and sure enough, as expected, my little fanboy is once again nipping at my heels like the predictable little peon he is. Oh, and to answer your private message: no, I will not take your case and I suggest you cease molesting toddlers before you end up losing that prime job cleaning the toilets at Publix.

    “Urban Meyer did this: Wrong”

    You still can’t tell the difference between trolling and actual theory. Funny thing is that even though Pissy here thinks it’s an FSU bias, I dislike Urban for the crap he pulled on UF. Ironic that fake Gators who probably still sit by the mailbox waiting for decades old acceptance letters want to talk about bias to people whom have actually been there and done that (twice, actually).

    “Meggs is trying to make this political: Fail”

    Actually I said Meggs would milk the spotlight for as long as possible. Of course, that would require reading comprehension on your part, so I know that’s asking a ton. For future reference, see the case of Travis Johnson, a prime example of Meggs’ grandstanding resulting in baseless accusations and no results. Hey, you two have something in common!

    “Best one: They don’t cover things up in Tallahassee like Gainesville: Epic Fail”

    There you go parroting quips again. You probably spent all night writing up that one. Again, Bill Cervone. Google is your friend. Need we discuss Aaron Hernandez? Nah, that’d probably make you soil your diaper, and I’d hate for you to get made fun of on the short bus for having stinky britches.

    “Let’s see how this plays out, but do you really feel Meggs shouldn’t at least take a look at this now?”

    Who is to say he already hasn’t? For all we know they could file charges any minute now. This hit the news last night but it was finished on Tuesday. The important thing is that this proves nothing. A serious piece of evidence? Very likely. Proof by itself that a rape occurred? Not on its own, nor is it any proof of consensual sex. The ONLY thing it proves is that there was indeed sexual contact; now we have to wait for the additional facts to see if there’s enough to push for charges. Essentially, it’s setting up for a “he said-she said” situation at the moment. I’d like to see what Winston’s attorney has to say in response to last night’s news. It isn’t conclusive but it’s not pretty, either.

    “You’re an idiot and whatever you do don’t let anyone know who you are-regardless of outcome you are a moron and missed on every one of your “eductaed” assumptions so far. I’m not even a lawyer and I got closer than you.”

    Well that’s usually what “eductaed” folks do. That, or sticking to failed straw man arguments and ad hominem insults when every-single-one of your talking points and rebuttals are decimated to the point where you can’t even bother responding or defending them anymore. Again, and pay close attention: you.are.my.b*tch!

    “The way this is going, you’re not going to able to represent people in traffic court!!”

    Now why would I take a dip in pay? Remember, I still have Megan’s Law violators like you to defend. Seriously…three year olds? Sick.

    Dance to my tune, skippy. Im clearly in your head. Hell hath no fury like a message board fake gator princess torn to shreds.

    Happy Thursday, everyone!!

  22. Slim Charles says: Nov 21, 2013 8:27 AM

    The president said that if he had a son, he would look like Winston.

    Bring out the Hoodie Nation to defend their brotha. It’s Bush’s fault.

    ————————-

    Nice, you set a new obese right-wing moron cliche density record for one post. I guess if you’re on SSI you have a lot of spare time to stew in your hatred.

  23. kinggator says: Nov 21, 2013 8:27 AM

    I guess the victim got the ID thing right, even if she is a bad judge of height during a sexual assault. Nice Cover 2 TPD! It just got real.

  24. fatcamper says: Nov 21, 2013 8:36 AM

    I defended Jameis, but I admit I was probably wrong in light of this evidence. It is discouraging to see some fans appear to be happy because it happened to a rival team.

  25. gatorfan1 says: Nov 21, 2013 8:44 AM

    grudenthediva:

    Pissed huh…everyone knows I’m in your head. Too funny. No doubt you’re a lawyer, thin skinned and full of himself. How does it feel to get you ass constantly kicked in an argument counselor. You remind me of the stuttering lawyer on “My cousin Vinny”. Good intentions I guess, but woefully over matched. Since you can’t win an argument against little ole me, how the hell do you have a job!!

    Why do you keep following me around the internet-man crush I guess.

  26. reesesteel23 says: Nov 21, 2013 8:54 AM

    So they slept together?

  27. sportsguy3434 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:05 AM

    I hate to correct this comment and even reference the original, but he said look like Travon not Jameis…

  28. scoops1 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:12 AM

    We all know that since Jameis has to squint, he missed her face and it got on her panties

  29. thegamecocker says: Nov 21, 2013 9:20 AM

    “I did not have sex with that woman”…..than the dress appears with the “stain” on it…..still does not prove consensuality between the parties. It’s a “he said/ she said”…..but it’s the other info about not pressing charges b/c Tallahassee is a football city COUPLED with the “stain” garment that gets the ball rolling……Could go either way.

  30. gquesen says: Nov 21, 2013 9:30 AM

    Grudenthediva, gatorfan1, give it a rest. At this point, you both sound incredibly petulant. Seriously, how much time have you spent writing posts that damn near read like novels?

  31. pushingiron says: Nov 21, 2013 9:37 AM

    As an outsider with no affinity towards either school it will be an interesting case to follow. From the outside looking in it really makes the Tallahassee PD look bad, being in law enforcement I don’t typically judge anyone without having the facts in front of me. This case though sure has all appearances of a coverup. I am also a father of three girls, and if it was my daughter I can assure you that the case would have not been obscure to the media for this long. It is ashamed that justice has not prevailed before now. Either the young man should pay his due to society, or be cleared and free to lead his team. The same for the young lady. She should see justice prevail and God help her to heal, or she should be prosecuted for filing a false police report. My thoughts are with those who are the victims, whomever they may be.

  32. stoicpaisano says: Nov 21, 2013 9:40 AM

    Damn, he didn’t even wait to get the panties off? What happened to foreplay?

    Or I guess sometimes you gotta take the pussy like Pepe.

  33. thraiderskin says: Nov 21, 2013 10:23 AM

    I have said, we should wait and see, what we are seeing is looking less and less good for Winston…
    When these accusations occur, we demand that the accuser act promptly and the girl did. We ask for some sort of physical evidence to tie the accused to the incident, which we now have. I’m not saying Winston is guilty, but I’m not saying this girl is lying. I wonder what else the rape kit showed.

  34. sillec28 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:26 AM

    Obviously the DNA alone doesn’t prove sexual assault. But at this point it does narrow the issue down to a question of whether the sex was consensual or not. That in turn will be determined in large part by what the hospital photographs show of the accuser’s injuries, if any. If there were no injuries then proving non-consensual becomes much harder for the accuser. It also eliminates several potential defenses that Winston might otherwise have had, e.g. I wasn’t at the party, I left the party before the incident occurred, mistaken identity (it wasn’t me, it was someone else), etc. etc.

  35. opinevain says: Nov 21, 2013 10:26 AM

    Wait, so DNA of Winston proves that he “raped” her? Or, he had sex with her? Still, no case

  36. Anoesis says: Nov 21, 2013 10:40 AM

    Bad news all around, for accused and accuser alike. Something like this has no winner. Except, of course, in the event FSU gets to the NC game, Alabama comes out smelling like a rose.

    All the idiotic comments about Urban Meyer engineering this just mask the fact that if Winston gets suspended by his school it is Alabama that becomes the immediate beneficiary.

    Either Saban made a pact with the devil or else he did something quite admirable in a former life. His run of luck to keep making it into the title game is nothing short of amazing.

    Whether riding opportune losses by other high-ranking schools or avoiding falling in the polls after their own loss, Alabama always seems to have things turn their way.

    Granted, they take care of business when they get to the title game, but the school they end up facing usually doesn’t belong. Last year is a classic example.

  37. jason1214 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:46 AM

    Wow people, the Urban Meyer/Nick Saban conspiracy? Really. Pathetic.
    All the DNA test proves is that JW had relations with this woman. I suppose you all think the Manti Teo fake g/f was a Nick Saban production too? none of this has anything to do with Ohio State, Alabama, Urban Myer or Nick Saban. Good lord.

    RTR

  38. stopthemadness101 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:51 AM

    None of you know what affidavits Winston’s attorney submitted to the SA. He voluntarily submitted to the DNA test knowing what the result would be. It’s going to come down to her ability to prove this was not consensuel sex. The rumor in Tally is that they knew each other and were fooling around and she got pissed when she found out his girlfriend was coming in town the next day.

  39. bigbuckeye76 says: Nov 21, 2013 11:06 AM

    I find it interesting that they are saying sexual assault and not rape. What exactly is she saying happened?

  40. steelersfanfromtheseventies says: Nov 21, 2013 11:18 AM

    @pushingiron.

    You mentioned that your in law enforcement so maybe you could clear this up for me. You pointed out that the tallahassee PD looks bad, Iam assuming that has to do with the fact that the detective told the family that this is a football town, and if they went ahead with charges her life would be hell and that they have tough road to go down.

    Would you as police officer advise the the victim ( especially in an sexual assault case) of how the defense attorney will attempt to make the victim out to be the perpetrator and how the public would most likely come down rather hard on her.

    My question is. Do think maybe there is chance that the family mistook advise as a threat?

  41. teambringitstrong says: Nov 21, 2013 11:19 AM

    thefiesty1 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:49 AM

    Where is Abernathy and Jesse Jackson? They are picking on one of their boys.
    ———————————————————-
    White folks always start but when someone accuses you, you say, oh there you go, you’re playing the race card.

    BTW, all you keyboard judges, lawyers and jurists; I will admit, the dark clouds are approaching JW5 with this latest revelation but let’s see the evidence as produced by an examiner of forced sexual entry.
    Now, back to your regularly scheduled, bigoted, racists, shallow-mined lives ala Lance Wullenwaber.

  42. ahugusf says: Nov 21, 2013 11:24 AM

    Giminy crickets Bobby, TPD has more leaks than a USF offensive line

  43. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 21, 2013 11:27 AM

    Whether he’s guilty or not… if I’m an FSU fan, it might be panic time. With info like this, an arrest may not be too far off, in which case, you’re probably losing Winston for the rest of the year, so the national championship is probably out the window as is his Heisman.

  44. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 21, 2013 11:29 AM

    You know as soon as I read that post I realized how completely insensitive it was. Sometimes we forget that these aren’t just gladiators here for our amusement. They are real people and stuff like this ruins lives.

    So my apologies.

  45. jc327 says: Nov 21, 2013 11:38 AM

    “Wait, so DNA of Winston proves that he “raped” her? Or, he had sex with her? Still, no case”

    Wrong. Doesn’t prove it was rape, sure, but that definitely makes it a case.

  46. huskywolverine says: Nov 21, 2013 11:56 AM

    People have completely forgotten that Zach Mettenberger plead guilty to a sexual assault case when he was at Georgia (thus the reason he was kicked off the team). A player can overcome this…

  47. skinsfolife says: Nov 21, 2013 12:00 PM

    Typical for free shoes university.

  48. blacknole08 says: Nov 21, 2013 12:07 PM

    All the DNA proves is that they had sex. Whether it was consensual or not is really the deciding factor here.

    I have a theory here though. Because there are supposed witnesses to this case and they seem to support JW.

    I have a feeling that JW will be acquitted once the dust settles. Something tells me that they had a consensual relationship, and that JW broke things off because he has a real gf (And to lay low). When she came to visit, the accuser gets jealous and to get back at him plays the rape card.

    So she calls the cops. But upon doing so she realizes the seriousness of her accusation, and once the cops arrive and press her on the issue, she identifies Winston, and when the cops question her about her inconsistent statements and evidence of consensual relationship she realizes that it might be best to drop it. She then refuses to cooperate.

    When she met with Meggs, she reaffirmed that she didnt want to press charges (Again, because it was consensual). Every bit of evidence collected before then had pointed towards their encounter, as well as their relatiobship, as being consensual, and there was 0 chance charges would be brought up. TPD and the SAO are trying to clear JW without humiliating the accuser. So really the reinvestigation is just a formality.

    Also i have a feeling that Jimbo was informed by Winston when this happened last year and was told everything. Of course his lawyer already knew. This explains their high confidence on Winstons innocence.

    Again, this is just my theory and not based on anything factual. But this Nole fan refuses to be on suicide watch!

  49. opinevain says: Nov 21, 2013 12:17 PM

    I think she wanted to wait another year in a half for it to come out so she can cash in on his NFL stock in 2015.

  50. onlyoneleft says: Nov 21, 2013 12:18 PM

    Those Floridian rednecks will never arrest him.

  51. threebbuilders says: Nov 21, 2013 12:19 PM

    Anoesis said:

    “Either Saban made a pact with the devil or else he did something quite admirable in a former life. His run of luck to keep making it into the title game is nothing short of amazing.”

    Really? The man has coached 4 (FOUR) national championship teams – you’re telling me that all four were won by luck? WTFE.

  52. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 21, 2013 12:20 PM

    huskywolverine says: Nov 21, 2013 11:56 AM

    People have completely forgotten that Zach Mettenberger plead guilty to a sexual assault case when he was at Georgia (thus the reason he was kicked off the team). A player can overcome this…
    __________________________

    Mettenberger didn’t have a National Championship and a Heisman on the line though….

  53. realfootballfan says: Nov 21, 2013 12:48 PM

    I mentioned this yesterday that Winston had already submitted this testing quietly last week. Also, this is the reason he has secured witnesses to corroborate that the sexual encounter was consensual. The reason the complaint never went anywhere from people I know inside this thing is that the girl withdrew it immediately. Now, whether this was due to the cop or because there was a change of heart is the retrospective question that is being brought up. From this source also is that this thing is being driven by someone close to the girl other than her, which is why I still think whoever is close to her is setting this up for a civil litigation against the city of Tallahassee.

    Even now, she still has refused to cooperate with investigators on any criminal pursuit and does not wish to pursue charges. What that means, make of it as you will.

  54. pushingiron says: Nov 21, 2013 12:50 PM

    Steelersfanfromthe seventies,
    Doing my best to be objective from the wording it appears as though the detective that stated that to the family was trying to intimidate the family, not “inform” them, it isn’t his position to state things of that nature to the family. If anyone stated that kind of information it should be the DA’s office. It is up to the DA to decide to prosecute, the detective takes the information and hands it off to the DA. If the DA decided not to prosecute I could see the office informing them that they didn’t believe they had enough to prosecute, or that they didn’t believe the case was winnable. Even then, it is obvious they have enough evidence to prosecute, but I could see a DA or Asst. DA advising the victim and her family that there could be reprisal for testifying against a high profile player. I can understand informing them of their rights, and letting them know we are behind you and we want you to testify, but be sure that you 100% want to do this as there could be blow back from the community towards you. You do not want a witness/victim to be unaware of what they can expect, you want them to know what they face at trial, and afterwards. I hope they both get a fair trial, and not just one of public opinion.

  55. realfootballfan says: Nov 21, 2013 1:16 PM

    Yea, if the cop said anything remotely like that, whatever the basis of the complaints, he was wrong. That is not his job. We will see what this young lady has to say today when she meets with the state attorney. In the past she has refused to pursue charges, so this will be the moment of truth of whether she cooperates with an investigation or not.

  56. friarjack61 says: Nov 21, 2013 1:32 PM

    If Bobby was the coach, Winston, still would be on the team, and playing, Saturday. Illegal behavior, meant nothing to Bowden, only a W !

  57. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 21, 2013 1:45 PM

    These clowns are so hopeful that he “raped” her (good luck proving that) that they fail to realize that this all but guarantees that there won’t even be any charges. But judging by the comments and thumbs down to rational comments, I see the dregs of society are still polluting these comment sections on this site.

    BOTTOM LINE here is that this whole thing does not seem congruent for two reasons:

    – If she filed a claim for sexual battery, as is the case, and claims rape, then a rape kit was to have been done by a licensed physician at the hospital. Per protocol.

    – As such, if her initial allegation was indeed on record in the criminal complaint, and the rape kit was not ordered, that is a botch job on the part of the Tallahassee Police Department, as well as those in charge of handling the physical evidence of the alleged incident.

    – If the rape kit was ordered and came back negative for any definitive bruising consistent with forcible sexual contact — which appears to be the case, and why this was in an inactive state on record — then it effectively becomes he said/she said, pending the corroboration of each party’s accounts on the part of witnesses via verbal or video evidence. Once again, had such occurred, and this evidence was present at the time, and knowing how they do NOT “cover up” for the antics of FSU players in Tallahassee, there is no way this would have sat unchecked if a positive rape kit AND corroborated evidence/eyewitness accounts were on record.

    – Consequently, since both the timing of the reemergence of this situation, and the time frame since the status of the case was changed to inactive are both dubious — and dismissing any ulterior motives on the alleged victim’s part, or on the part of the team and the university, which now has a zero tolerance, anyway — you have to wonder how they can ever prove anything other than consensual sex occurred. If that. Unless someone has video evidence, or can swear under oath that they indeed witnessed the alleged incident, they appear to have not have taken a rape kit, or the kit was inconclusive; meaning they can’t even charge him without being able to dismiss that she didn’t have sex with other men, which is also allegedly the case.

    I just find that based upon the actual research that I have done, that they may keep this open pending the investigation yielding (or not) other perpetrators and the ACTUAL man who she described (which is what leads you to believe that this was an old fashioned “train”). If the man she described is yet another man she had sex with, GOOD LUCK proving that any bruising evident at the time of the complaint being filed or after the fact, came from Winston’s contact with her. That’s why this whole thing just seems off, not congruent, and reeks of someone working an angle.

    We should not be hearing all of this about an ongoing investigation, which should be enough to make anyone with a level head wonder who is at work here and what the angle is that they are working. Particularly when the woman did even want to press charges initially? It’s just very fishy to me.

    In these he said/she said situations, which this appears to be the case, the truth usually does not come completely to the light, but two reputations can end up ruined because of bad decisions on the part of each involved.

  58. thegamecocker says: Nov 21, 2013 2:13 PM

    @mrwright

    Do you care at all about the victim? It seems you are biased ant at all objective. You want Winston exonerated under any method possible. Women have committed suicide as a result of actions like this. I refer to Lizzie Seeburg, the Notre Dame Freshman who committed suicide after allegedly being either sexually assaulted or raped by Prince ( not in my estimation) Shembo the ND starting LB. I hope the best for Winston, but if the shoe fits, there no acquits if you get that.

  59. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 21, 2013 2:14 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says:

    “they appear to have not have taken a rape kit”
    _____________________________

    “Winston’s sample matched the DNA found in the alleged victim’s underwear, which was obtained via a sexual assault kit after she filed a complaint with the Tallahassee Police Department.”

    There’s obviously a rape kit. We know of ONE piece of information in the rape kit. Assumptions are being made in both directions about that information. Were there bruises or signs of forced sexual entry, we don’t know. But let’s stop acting like because the information isn’t public that it doesn’t exist.

    I do agree with you on this… two reputations will probably end up ruined because of this…

  60. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 21, 2013 2:26 PM

    Having Winston’s DNA sample does not mean there was a rape kit done.

    And if it was done at the time of the complaint, and obviously was inconclusive, then it effectively becomes he said/she said.

    This DNA leak doesn’t confirm anything, except in the minds of those who hope or just think he’s guilty of the allegation, which they had already settled in their minds long before this.

  61. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 21, 2013 2:29 PM

    thegamecocker says: Nov 21, 2013 2:13 PM

    @mrwright

    Do you care at all about the victim? It seems you are biased ant at all objective. You want Winston exonerated under any method possible. Women have committed suicide as a result of actions like this. I refer to Lizzie Seeburg, the Notre Dame Freshman who committed suicide after allegedly being either sexually assaulted or raped by Prince ( not in my estimation) Shembo the ND starting LB. I hope the best for Winston, but if the shoe fits, there no acquits if you get that.
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    When all of the facts and the accounts on record don’t point to her being scorned or bitter, then I almost always lean on the side of the woman.

    And take Winston out of this, please don’t think I’m siding with him because I am an FSU fan. Anyone who thinks the Noles won’t still win it all with Maguire are completely underrating the rest of this team.

    I would say this regardless of who it is. I read way too many cases on the books in law school about rape, and there are cases that you would have to be a flat out pig to believe the man’s account, given the evidence, timeline, accounts and testimony. There are some that are muddled in the grey area. Then there are those that reek in every possible form. This case just reads like one of the latter.

  62. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 21, 2013 2:31 PM

    stopthemadness101 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:51 AM

    None of you know what affidavits Winston’s attorney submitted to the SA. He voluntarily submitted to the DNA test knowing what the result would be. It’s going to come down to her ability to prove this was not consensuel sex. The rumor in Tally is that they knew each other and were fooling around and she got pissed when she found out his girlfriend was coming in town the next day.
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    I have heard this also, and his girl has been there quite a bit this year. When they showed her on TV three weeks ago, this suddenly pops up? Someone’s bitter.

  63. stairwayto7 says: Nov 21, 2013 3:14 PM

    RAPIST!

  64. 8to80texansblog says: Nov 21, 2013 3:16 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 21, 2013 2:26 PM

    Having Winston’s DNA sample does not mean there was a rape kit done.
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    I am not saying there is a rape kit because it references Winston’s DNA, but because it references that the DNA sample was collected from her underwear and I quote “which was obtained via a sexual assault kit ”

    Again, you have NO idea what evidence is in that rape kit. Anyone who is on the outside of this looking in can see you are completely biased in your estimations here. I would probably be the same way if it were me.

    I’ve never said that Winston was guilty or innocent. I am just saying we the public don’t have near enough information to make a reasonable decision on guilt or innocence. (Nor should we)

  65. steelersfanfromtheseventies says: Nov 21, 2013 4:20 PM

    @pushiron.
    Thank you for your response.

  66. onlyoneleft says: Nov 21, 2013 8:36 PM

    Free Shoes University has now become Forced Sex
    University.

  67. dkhhuey says: Nov 21, 2013 9:09 PM

    Well – it appears this one is coming down to the examining doctor’s findings. Evidence of forced penetration and it is going to be a very bad day for Jameis!

  68. grilldoggy says: Nov 21, 2013 10:36 PM

    In December of 2012, a woman reported to Tallahassee, Florida police that she was raped by Jameis Winston, a student/athlete at Florida State University. At that time, Winston was not a star in college football. A rape kit was created, and DNA evidence proved in November of 2013 that semen found in the woman’s underwear was that of Jameis Winston.

  69. florida727 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:59 PM

    As a Gator fan, I’m not supposed to root for anything FSU related, but this transcends sports. You’re talking about a young woman’s life that is irreparably damaged if this allegation proves true. And by all other accounts, you’d have believed Winston to be the proverbial “model citizen”. What happens to his future?

    If I’m Jameis, or his attorney, what concerns me most are two things: a) the DNA evidence is irrefutable, but maybe even more importantly, b) the complaint was filed before anyone outside of Tallahassee knew who Jameis Winston is. As another post stated, it’s one thing to make a false claim against a famous person in the interest of money; it’s quite another when you make such a claim against a relatively “anonymous” person.

  70. suprmous says: Nov 22, 2013 8:22 AM

    Gamecocker, thank you for bringin up the suicide factor. So many times people do tend to forget the pain the injured party goes thru by either bein biased in their thinkin or just not carin that the injured party’s a human bein as well. Stats have proven that the injured party carries aroun a lot on their shoulders with tendencies believin they’re bein ridiculed by everyone aroun em. Those who tend to judge never bother to think that what the injured part went thru could ever happen to them, whether they be male or female. As a member of the medical community it sickens me to think that a lot of people feel that they have to judge others and come across as Holier than Thou. If you’re over the age of 18 it’s time to grow up and realize in today’s World anything’s possible. If you’re a parent you should be warnin your kids whether they be male or female of the dangers that exist. Enuff of my lecture but just sayin.

  71. normkatt says: Nov 23, 2013 3:07 PM

    The only comment I have is, why is this a headline? Of course, that’s what the accuser have to say in any sexual battery case! It would have been a headline if the attorney had said, “Well, she did consent to have sex but not in the way it happened”. THAT would have made a headline.
    There is something, among the many, that I’m curious about. The police stated the victim would not press charges back in April. Then, the victim registers at FSU for the fall semester, which could be considered a consustent act. Then, the victim’s attorney denies they dropped charges but as soon as the case goes live, the victim leaves the university. That to me is inconsistent. If she really never dropped intention to pursue, why did she come back to school to then leave? The most logical though I have is that someone else is pushing the victim to go forward. In that case, the question would be, why? Justice or money?

  72. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 23, 2013 4:00 PM

    madtownthrowdown says: Nov 21, 2013 6:23 AM

    Mr. Wright will be on here defending his boy Winston momentarily.
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    I was here to speak facts and the truth, regardless of how it looked for Winston.

    You, meanwhile, were the first to be here HOPING the fraud was true.

  73. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 23, 2013 4:01 PM

    normkatt says: Nov 23, 2013 3:07 PM

    The only comment I have is, why is this a headline? Of course, that’s what the accuser have to say in any sexual battery case! It would have been a headline if the attorney had said, “Well, she did consent to have sex but not in the way it happened”. THAT would have made a headline.
    There is something, among the many, that I’m curious about. The police stated the victim would not press charges back in April. Then, the victim registers at FSU for the fall semester, which could be considered a consustent act. Then, the victim’s attorney denies they dropped charges but as soon as the case goes live, the victim leaves the university. That to me is inconsistent. If she really never dropped intention to pursue, why did she come back to school to then leave? The most logical though I have is that someone else is pushing the victim to go forward. In that case, the question would be, why? Justice or money?
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    Precisely. The woman isn’t pressing forward with this, it is someone who she is connected to who is pressing forward trying to make something out of nothing.

  74. pglht says: Nov 24, 2013 12:23 AM

    the fact that Winston’s DNA is tied to the alleged victim does not prove sexual assault,

    Well i would certainly hope not. If they actually prosecuted and jailed false accusers then i wouldn’t be so skeptical, but too many men have gone to jail for false rapes. Rather let a rapist walk free then to jail an innocent man

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