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Bobby Bowden not rejoicing over winningest coach title

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One of the many sanctions the NCAA levied on to Penn State this morning was the vacating of wins from 1998-2011.

While meaningless in the grand scheme of what PSU is about to face on its long road to recovery, the decision does move Joe Paterno down the list of all-time winningest coaches.

Back on top for major college football? Former Florida State coach Bobby Bowden with 377, as was mentioned earlier. 

But Bowden, a longtime friend of Paterno’s, wishes he didn’t reclaim the winningest coaching title this way.

There is no rejoicing in the Bowden household,” a statement from the Bowden family read. “Nobody would want to have a title given to him this way.”

Tommy Bowden, who coached at Clemson, gave ESPN.com a similar stance.

“His record speaks for itself, and it’s my father so you’d like to be happy for him,” Bowden said. “But under the circumstances, it pales in comparison to how significant those problems are and the lives that have been affected.”

It’s tough, if not downright impossible, to think about victories in a time like this. That’s why the city of Grambling was beyond out of line when it was announced last week it wanted some of Paterno’s wins vacated (Grambling State University coach Eddie Robinson had 408 victories).

Nobody actually “wins” in this situation.

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29 Responses to “Bobby Bowden not rejoicing over winningest coach title”
  1. jimmy53 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:30 PM

    Classy as ever…

  2. rickrock6661982 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:34 PM

    Perhaps he pumped his fist in private..but I believe him

    Must suck to know that a friend and someone who you respected turned out to be a higher than thou scumbag.

    There are tennis shoes..and there is child molesting

    One is not like the other

  3. nickynick04 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:36 PM

    Oh Yea…Bowden ran a real clean program at FSU….give me a break,,,,let start taking wins away for ALL NCAA violations

  4. kiopta1 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:40 PM

    I am glad to see him take this with humility and respect.

  5. fitz66 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:43 PM

    Of course not – bad guy or not, he still won more games than you. His penalty wasn’t for anything that gave him a competitive advantage over other teams (unlike yours, Bowden).

  6. jimmy53 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:54 PM

    fitz66- Do you know why Bowden was penalized? If not, here you go: a cheating scandal that he knew absolutely nothing about (which was proven). In fact, when he found out he was instrumental in self reporting the violations which caused him to vacate the wins (something I bet PSU wishes Paterno had done). Other than that instance Bobby has never been charged or found guilty of ANY violation. Bowden handled himself with class and dignity in a college football environment that currently could use a bit of both.

    Know what you’re talking about…

  7. fitz66 says: Jul 23, 2012 4:57 PM

    Bottom line: Players who are playing that shouldn’t be playing is a competitive advantage.

    That I do know.

    Or are you going to argue that, too?

  8. mvp43 says: Jul 23, 2012 5:00 PM

    nickynick04 says:
    Jul 23, 2012 4:36 PM
    Oh Yea…Bowden ran a real clean program at FSU….give me a break,,,,let start taking wins away for ALL NCAA violations

    ——————————————-

    First off, I’m pretty certain that all coaches look the other way on certain issues and are probaly in violation of something or another. However, I see a big difference in violations that have to do with recruiting or buying a kid a happy meal compared to an operation that funneled kids from a youth program to a shower stall. Get real….

  9. nfcsouth says: Jul 23, 2012 5:02 PM

    Exactly why is it that the city of Grambling was beyond out of line for wanting some of this perv protector’s wins vacated. Eddie Robinson would have probably had the same response as Bobby Bowden, but Grambling had every right to seek to ensure that Eddie Robinson’s “winningest coach in football title” be restored to the person that won it fairly and honorably.

    And no, I have absolutely no connection to Grambling.

  10. jimmy53 says: Jul 23, 2012 5:09 PM

    fitz66- Your initial post stated an inference that Bowden did something that created a competitive advantage—THAT IS FALSE. He had no idea when those players played that they had done anything wrong. He had no knowledge or culpability in the actions of 11 kids cheating on an on-line test, and it’s ignorant to suggest it. He paid for the stupid mistakes of kids, and when he found out about it he took the morale high road and REPORTED IT. So, tell me again what he did wrong?

    I’ll say it again: Bowden handled himself with class and dignity in a college football environment that currently could use a bit of both.

  11. jimmy53 says: Jul 23, 2012 5:12 PM

    nfcsouth: You’re right, Eddie Robinson always gets hosed in this conversation, and he deserves better. However, he is not the winningest in college football that belongs to the division III coach John Gagliardi at St. John’s in Minnesota with 471 wins.

  12. showerswithsandusky says: Jul 23, 2012 5:23 PM

    Barry Switzer best coach ever!

  13. Ben Kercheval says: Jul 23, 2012 5:44 PM

    “Exactly why is it that the city of Grambling was beyond out of line for wanting some of this perv protector’s wins vacated. Eddie Robinson would have probably had the same response as Bobby Bowden, but Grambling had every right to seek to ensure that Eddie Robinson’s “winningest coach in football title” be restored to the person that won it fairly and honorably.”

    Failing to turn in a pedophile and winning a football game are not even in the same ballpark. Using it as a reason to get Robinson the record again? Come on…

  14. fitz66 says: Jul 23, 2012 6:16 PM

    Jimmy –
    I implied that the penalty he got was because he had a competitive advantage whereas Paterno did not. I never said anything about what he knew.

    “His penalty wasn’t for anything that gave him a competitive advantage over other teams (unlike yours, Bowden).”

    Don’t lecture me on how ignorant the post was when you failed to comprehend it and then added things that weren’t there.

    Dolt.

  15. jmb795 says: Jul 23, 2012 6:31 PM

    There are, and always will be, folks who do not like Bobby and will resort to the old; “Well, how about the time old so-and-so missed bed check in 1993 and Bobby didn’t kick him off the team?” Now’s not the time to debate the record but it is the time to reflect on ALL our alma maters and to ask ourselves whether, because of the football money and prestige involved, we, too, could be growing into the monster hatched at Penn State.
    My hope is that the harm caused to those young boys will not be in vain.

  16. jimmy53 says: Jul 23, 2012 7:16 PM

    fitz66- Your post absolutely intimated that Bobby created an unfair competitive advantage, which as I already stated (correctly mind you) that he did not. It was only after I called you out that you’re trying to clarify your ignorant statements. Nice try–but too late.

    Good usage of the word Dolt though (I thank Denis Leary for adding that one to my lexicon).

  17. acieu says: Jul 23, 2012 7:16 PM

    The King is dead. Long live thebKng.

  18. orthomarine says: Jul 23, 2012 7:50 PM

    Dadgummit

  19. florida727 says: Jul 23, 2012 8:42 PM

    By law, as a Florida fan, I’m supposed to root against Bobby… but I can’t and don’t, because he is the very epitome of class and “doing things right”. Anyone who suggests he cheated his way to any wins or records is simply a “hater” that’s too ignorant to look at FACTS.

    “jimmy53, I hope the Gators always beat FSU, but I have nothing but the utmost respect for Coach Bowden. I feel lucky to have met the man. Great Christian character. College football could use about 100 more of him. Good luck this year, except on November 24th in Tallahassee :)

  20. fitz66 says: Jul 23, 2012 9:30 PM

    Yes or no. Having guys on your team that are ineligible, whether you know it or not, playing in games gives your team a competitive advantage over another team who doesn’t have any illegible players on it? That’s the argument here, not what was intended – because you have neither a clue or an argument for what was. Yes or no.

  21. watchfullhose says: Jul 23, 2012 10:13 PM

    Oh come on. Be real. Not reporting a child molester on your coaching staff clearly creates a competitive advantage by duping unsuspecting recruits who would otherwise never attend your school knowing about said criminal acts (and subsequent cover) up.

  22. giablommi says: Jul 24, 2012 12:09 AM

    I’m fine with the sanctions- except for the vacating of wins from 1998-2011, which is a hollow and stupid gesture by the NCAA clearly aimed at trying to erase as much as Joe Pa’s legacy as possible.

    No amount of revisionist history changes that players won the games on the field. The disgusting actions and subsequent cover-up have nothing to do with kids busting their asses and the final numbers on the scoreboard. Is the NCAA going to refund some of that $60 million back to ticket buyers for three and a half hours that supposedly never happened? No surprise that the clueless and corrupt NCAA in mostly getting this right couldn’t help but do something idiotic and meaningless. No matter what Koolaid the NCAA tries to sell us, Paterno’s legacy will be twofold, that of the winningest FB coach in college history and a man of incredible shortsightedness and hubris whose legacy is rightly disgraced.

  23. brianbosworthisstonecold says: Jul 24, 2012 5:37 AM

    giablommi | Jul 23, 2012, 9:09 PM PDT
    I’m fine with the sanctions- except for the vacating of wins from 1998-2011, which is a hollow and stupid gesture by the NCAA clearly aimed at trying to erase as much as Joe Pa’s legacy as possible.

    No amount of revisionist history changes that players won the games on the field. The disgusting actions and subsequent cover-up have nothing to do with kids busting their asses and the final numbers on the scoreboard. Is the NCAA going to refund some of that $60 million back to ticket buyers for three and a half hours that supposedly never happened? No surprise that the clueless and corrupt NCAA in mostly getting this right couldn’t help but do something idiotic and meaningless. No matter what Koolaid the NCAA tries to sell us, Paterno’s legacy will be twofold, that of the winningest FB coach in college history and a man of incredible shortsightedness and hubris whose legacy is rightly disgraced.

    ———————

    PSU is like a city pool that Sandusky, Paterno, Spanier, Curley, Schultz, BoTs, defecated in and ruined it for the rest of the public. The pool has to be cleansed and that is what the NCAA is trying to do along with current PSU Administration. The ordinary folk have to wait/suffer until maintenance/management from the top down clean house/pool.

    Hopefully that can analogy can help. Or you can rent Caddyshack and fast forward it to the Baby Ruth scene.

  24. nfcsouth says: Jul 24, 2012 7:48 AM

    Ben,

    In this case, failing to turn in a pedophile and winning a football game actually was in the same ballpark. It should be pointed out that Joe Pa didn’t FAIL to turn in a pedophile, he CHOSE not to turn in a pedophile associated with the football program. Had he turned in the perv when he should have, there would have been repercussions. When he made that choice he broke the law. Not just state law, but also the ethical and moral law expected of him as a coach, a competitor and a human. After he made that choice, he was no longer entitled to be on the field. He was there under false pretenses. From that point forward Joe Paterno wasn’t entitled to coach a team to another win, or loss, he was ineligible.

  25. Ben Kercheval says: Jul 24, 2012 8:00 AM

    Maybe to the NCAA, but vacating wins is a meaningless punishment. The city of Grambling only wanted the wins vacated for Robinson’s sake. That’s a myopic view of this whole situation if I’ve ever heard one.

  26. nfcsouth says: Jul 24, 2012 8:37 AM

    Vacating wins is obviously not a meaningless punishment, look at the howls it’s raising from you and your “a win is a win” brethren. A win by someone who isn’t supposed to be on the field isn’t a win, it’s cheating.

    Being from North Texas, your bias against Grambling is a little too obvious.

  27. kozbee says: Jul 24, 2012 9:11 AM

    Well sometimes it does pay to be second best.Bobby was a great coach also but he knew how to get around things.Celebration time Bobby you top gun.By the way did they ever take down the barbwire around Florida st.Miami is another convict school like Florida st just alot worse.

  28. jonanthans says: Jul 24, 2012 2:17 PM

    Gramblings school is a joke. As someone who job took me tot heir campus hundreds of times over a 7 year period, I can honestly say a high school has better educational teachers and smarter students than GSU does. If not for the required racial acknowledgement, it would never qualify as a school of higher learning.

  29. nfcsouth says: Jul 24, 2012 2:50 PM

    “As someone who job took me tot heir campus hundreds of times over a 7 year period, I can honestly say a high school has better educational teachers and smarter students than GSU does”

    Is anyone supposed to take your critique of the quality of educational institutions seriously?

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